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Your thoughts on Will Fuller

Will Fuller

  • Do you not like the pick & hope it blows up in whoever's face?

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thunderkyss

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I have this problem where I think most people think like I do. Even reading your opinions in various threads, I feel like the board thinks one way or another. Then something happens & all of a sudden, I think I was completely wrong in my assessment.

In this case, it's the Jason Braddock piece on Will Fuller.

It's not the "whose pick was it" thing. We'll have that discussion after Fuller becomes who he is going to be.

Do you like the pick?

Do you not like the pick, but hope you're wrong?

Do you not like the pick & hope it blows up in whoever's face?

Did you not like the pick, but grew to?

Did you like the pick, but grew to not?

Do you really hate polls that much?
 
Personally I like the pick.

I wanted Doctson. But I don't have a problem with Fuller. I don't think he's a one trick pony. I don't think he's as polished as Doctson, but after a few years, that polish loses its advantage, especially if Fuller’s work ethic is what I'm lead to believe it is.
 
I wanted Corey Coleman, but after watching tape of Fuller I'm growing to really like the pick.
 
For me it is not just a Fuller issue. I will post my opinion on all Texans players, management, etc. Once season starts, Fuller or whomever is a Texan and I'll root for them. Bringing criticism to the MB is what I do. It is an opinion like every other poster. If coach or GM or player keeps making poor progress I will note that in what I believe is a fair position.

For our new O'line, RB and QB, I thought Docston was best. He was not selected so I'm behind Fuller. No reason to :overreact:or :deadhorse
 
I wanted the speed. Coleman was 1a; but Fuller was right behind at 1b. The hands are not an issue with me. If Os can can throw the ball deep enough, Fuller will run to get it. TD!
 
I like it.

I relate to this guy a lot.

Remember the pickup football rules where you have 2 captains and you pick all the players?

Well, as a teenager (and into my 30's really) if no one knew me they would almost always pick me near the end because I was smaller than everyone else.

But I can play football, and I had something no one else could ever learn....

I was always the fastest guy on the field. Period.

Speed kills.

And the guy isn't just fast, he's a football player.
 
I like the pick...but, that's just my koolaide inebriated opinion talkin' now... :koolaid: :texflag:

Nuk's reaction on Twitter swayed me from "I have no idea" to "sure!".

Like I said in the draft thread, I don't watch college ball, so all of these guys are new to me.

But, that said, there has been a lot of really positive chatter about the pick, both from fans, local media, and the national media.

So I figure, why not sip some koolaide and just enjoy the ride? :drunk:
 
When I was first trying to figure who was who in this draft, I thought Fuller was a good fit for us.

After I read up more on him, he dropped in my estimation. I was hoping for Doctson. I know all about different guys having different roles, but if I had the chance to trot out 2 or 3 Deandre Hopkinses, I would and overlapping skillset be damned.

But I am nothing if not an optimist. So I'm trying to warm up to the pick.
 
I like the pick. Our offense was miserable to watch last year and almost no one had the ability to score from anywhere on the field. Fuller isn't just wheels - he had the production to back it up.

The dropped balls are a concern but I'm willing to look past it because I think it can be corrected if Fuller has the right coaching and dedication. I'm more worried about his ability to beat press coverage.

I "like" the pick as a single piece. As a component to the overhauled offense I love it. Ifeel like the log jam of new skill players means less pressure on Fuller to make an instant impact.
 
I think this pick makes me more nervous than any other but I like it because I am extremely interested in seeing all the newly acquired speed on the field. And you know O'Brien already has a few plays drawn up with all of the new speedsters on the field at one time. I just can't wait to see what that looks like
 
I like it in the sense that I can see what they are wanting do to. By having a vertical threat who can flip the field in a hurry, the D will have to commit someone to him whenever he is on the field simply because any catch made could turn into a TD instantly. Now, it is still up to BoB and Co to put Fuller in the best position to succeed either as a decoy or the target and it is also still up to Fuller to learn his routes, CATCH the ball, and get what he can. However, that's the future and in the now, I love the fact that we now have a burner with world class downhill speed to prevent the D from simply doubling up on D-Hop or stacking the box. Of course all of this depends on Oz anyways, so if he sinks in spite of all his shiny new toys to play with, this is all moot point anyways.

To me, regardless of how Fuller turns out, this offseason was awesome. We had a plan that we wanted to execute for O; get significantly faster and more varied to keep the D on its heels trying to stop an offense that can now literally come at them from all aspects. We have a superstar already in D-Hop who can often shoulder the offense single handily despite whatever garbage is thrown to him. D already has a hard time stopping him alone. Now we've added hopefully a QB who can be that rock for us behind center and a talented RB who showed us first hand how badly he can carve up a D. We lost 2 members of our O-Line (ouch), but instantly responded by signing a pretty good OG and at least a body at C. We then added a super quick WR whose every catch could be a TD, a rock solid C for hopefully years to come, an elusive former QB (ironically the best QB we drafted IMO) turned pretty darn successful WR in a single year who not only makes people miss all day but adds a legit dimension to our Wildcat play, another super duper quick RB that by all reports will the rich man's version of Hunt, and shored up some of our D. We put ourselves in a position where we could actually have the ability to trump any type of D. Again, whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen, but hoping and wishing that it all works out for your team, isn't that part of the fun and charm of being a fan?
 
I know it's ust one writers opinion, it just shocked me s. all...:thinking:

BEST AND WORST 2016 DRAFT PICKS MADE BY EACH NFL TEAM:

Houston Texans
Best: Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (Rd. 2, No. 50)

There wasn’t much of a difference between Martin and Ryan Kelly, who went No. 18 overall to the Colts, in our book. He has the talent to step in right away and be an upgrade from Ben Jones.

Worst: Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame (Rd. 1, No. 21)

Fuller went to about as ideal a situation as he could have hoped for, but he’s still a one-trick pony who was drafted ahead of a much more complete receiver in Josh Doctson. The Texans will need to maximize Fuller’s deep-threat ability to get appropriate value from this selection.
 
I know it's ust one writers opinion, it just shocked me s. all...:thinking:

BEST AND WORST 2016 DRAFT PICKS MADE BY EACH NFL TEAM:

Houston Texans
Best: Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (Rd. 2, No. 50)

There wasn’t much of a difference between Martin and Ryan Kelly, who went No. 18 overall to the Colts, in our book. He has the talent to step in right away and be an upgrade from Ben Jones.

Worst: Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame (Rd. 1, No. 21)

Fuller went to about as ideal a situation as he could have hoped for, but he’s still a one-trick pony who was drafted ahead of a much more complete receiver in Josh Doctson. The Texans will need to maximize Fuller’s deep-threat ability to get appropriate value from this selection.
Funny how the Washington Post article they referenced wrote this:

Houston Texans

The Texans did plenty to help the QB they signed in free agency, Brock Osweiler. They added a pair of potentially electrifying receivers in first-rounder Will Fuller and third-rounder Braxton Miller. They also improved Osweiler’s offensive line by getting C/G Nick Martin in the second round. Grade: B+
 
I know it's ust one writers opinion, it just shocked me s. all...:thinking:

BEST AND WORST 2016 DRAFT PICKS MADE BY EACH NFL TEAM:

Houston Texans
Best: Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (Rd. 2, No. 50)

There wasn’t much of a difference between Martin and Ryan Kelly, who went No. 18 overall to the Colts, in our book. He has the talent to step in right away and be an upgrade from Ben Jones.

Worst: Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame (Rd. 1, No. 21)

Fuller went to about as ideal a situation as he could have hoped for, but he’s still a one-trick pony who was drafted ahead of a much more complete receiver in Josh Doctson. The Texans will need to maximize Fuller’s deep-threat ability to get appropriate value from this selection.

It could be that the worst pick really wasn't all that bad, either. (Although I agree about the Doctson part.)
 
I didn't really watch these receivers that were picked right after him enough to have a strong opinion.

The Texans clearly drafted with need, and even narrowed that down to a guy that had to have a ton of speed to separate the defense. Many knew they were looking for a player with his skill set. The Texans grabbed the guy they needed to pair well with Hopkins. Skill set wise he's perfect. I just worry that he could be another one of those guys like Ted Ginn, Jacoby Jones, or a Jerome Mathis type of guy. A guy with after burners that isn't a great route runner and has poor hands. A guy that doesn't handle the 5 yard jam well as lots of speedy receivers like that aren't strong enough to push pass that jam fast enough. But then again, if he ends up being as effective as a "Desean Jackson" type of speedy receiver, then I'd call it a perfect pick for what we needed and were looking for. Only Fuller will be able to dictate what happens.

I hadn't watched those other guys enough to know if they would have been way better picks. I know that speed gets overrated a lot if the receiver doesn't get open or has bad hands. There are a ton of slower receivers that still get by guys and get separation in order to make big plays a lot. Maybe the other two would have been better overall instead of what many deem as a "reach" based on what we already had in Hopkins.

I don't hate the pick. I like it okay I guess. It fills need and I don't ever have a big problem if we are filling a glaring need. The Texans are totally stacked at WR for the first time in their history. It's a nice feeling.
 
I said before the draft that I thought there were three better receivers than him, but the team and system these guys go to could dictate the success they see as a pro. I also said if we decided to go with Fuller that I'd be excited to have him because we have never had a receiver quite like this.

I think if Os is what we hope he is, this could prove to be a very good situation for Fuller.

Fuller is not coming here to be THE man. Fuller has a specific skill set that hopefully will be immediately beneficial.

And tbh I think some people in their disdain for the pick or their wanting another top receiver have lost sight that Fuller was still considered a top prospect regardless. Hes not Jerome Mathis - a fast guy who is a garbage receiver. Fuller is actually a pretty good player.

So right now I'm just excited to see what the offense looks like as a whole - with Fuller as a part of it.
 
I voted that I do not like the pick, but hope that I'm wrong. I think Josh Doctson would have been a better pick, all around better WR prospect. I've got no control over the situation so I hope Fuller and the Texans proves me wrong. Only time will tell if it was a good pick or not, lets look back at this thread 3 years from now.
 
I am in the wait and see camp. He could turn out to be a great player or not. This is why we play the games.


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I hate polls so that gets my vote. As for Fuller, I've voiced my concerns over his issue with drops. Leading the nation 2 years in a row is a huge concern. I hope that he improves on that. He has a great example in Nuk on how to catch damn near everything. I'm excited to see him grow as a Texan now that he's one of the good guys.
 
I think (hope) Fuller and Hopkins will complement each other very nicely. Mix Braxton in? Dang. Os, you better not fall flat on your face, sir. THAT would be the worst case scenario. I don't see that happening though, call me a homer, I don't care. I am a Homer.
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40 times are just one indicator of speed.

What the really fast guys have is that second gear, and sometimes it doesn't kick in until after 40.
 
I like the pick...but, that's just my koolaide inebriated opinion talkin' now... :koolaid: :texflag:

Nuk's reaction on Twitter swayed me from "I have no idea" to "sure!".

Like I said in the draft thread, I don't watch college ball, so all of these guys are new to me.

But, that said, there has been a lot of really positive chatter about the pick, both from fans, local media, and the national media.

So I figure, why not sip some koolaide and just enjoy the ride? :drunk:
I just noticed 35k posts
 
Don't remember this being posted. From PFF:

Will Fuller plays like Mike Wallace, and more prospect-player comparisons
Steve Palazzolo IDs five of the draft's best comparisons between a 2016 prospect and current NFL player.

Steve Palazzolo | 4 weeks ago


One of the staples of draft season is the use of player comparisons. It’s often a dangerous game, as no two players are exactly alike, but comparisons often help to paint a picture of a player’s style or skill set.

And that is the real key to properly using player comps: They may never completely encapsulate a player, but they must be clear which part of their game is being compared. A stylistic comp is just as it sounds, as it compares how two players play the game. A production comp is one that we should have more of an advantage with at PFF, as we can project what a player will look like as far as on-field performance in our various areas of grading.

During our draft process, we never tried to force any comparisons — some players simply don’t remind of any specific players — but along the way, there were a number of comps that worked well from a style or production standpoint, or sometimes both.

2016 prospect: Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame

NFL player: Mike Wallace, WR, Baltimore Ravens

Comparison type: Style and production

Fuller is receiving first-round hype after a big-play career at Notre Dame and a 4.32 40-yard dash time at the NFL combine. There’s no doubt that Fuller’s speed shows up on the field and it compares favorably to Mike Wallace’s, as both players are more than capable of scaring defensive coordinators with their ability to get behind the defense. Fuller’s 708 yards on deep passes ranked third in the nation and made up 56 percent of his season total, so that was a massive chunk of his production.

Wallace’s peak seasons as a deep threat came early in his career with the Steelers between 2009 and 2011, including a career-high 571 yards on the deep ball in 2010. But starting in 2012 there was a steep drop-off in his production, and he’s never had more than 263 yards on deep passes since 2011. The difference has partially been because of quarterback play (his more recent quarterbacks, Miami’s Ryan Tannehill and Minnesota’s Teddy Bridgewater, do not possess the same arm strength as Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger), but a big part of Wallace’s downtick in production is a lack of downfield ball skills in contested situations. He’s still shown flashes of being able to get behind defenses, but he needs the right quarterback to get the ball out to him, as any underthrow that takes him back into the coverage is rarely caught. (See Wallace’s grades below.)



Fuller is similar in that his second gear is impressive and he will create downfield separation, but he will also need the right quarterback to get him the ball, as he’s not good at the catch point and his questionable hands (89th and 82nd in nation in drop rate the last two years) will leave a lot of big plays on the table. Both Fuller and Wallace have the speed to get behind the defense, they can create separation on the vertical route tree, and they are boom-or-bust players who need the right quarterback and system to fully maximize their skill sets.
 
I know it's ust one writers opinion, it just shocked me s. all...:thinking:

BEST AND WORST 2016 DRAFT PICKS MADE BY EACH NFL TEAM:

Houston Texans
Best: Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (Rd. 2, No. 50)

There wasn’t much of a difference between Martin and Ryan Kelly, who went No. 18 overall to the Colts, in our book. He has the talent to step in right away and be an upgrade from Ben Jones.

Worst: Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame (Rd. 1, No. 21)

Fuller went to about as ideal a situation as he could have hoped for, but he’s still a one-trick pony who was drafted ahead of a much more complete receiver in Josh Doctson. The Texans will need to maximize Fuller’s deep-threat ability to get appropriate value from this selection.


Fuller 1st came on my radar in that FSU/ND game a couple of years ago. FSU was the defending champs...defensive talent all over the field & I just remember him giving them fits on screens until they eventually adjusted late in the 4th. If i recall from Herbstriet and crew calling the game that night, there was a TD drive in the 2nd half where he accounted for more than half of it's total yardage through straight up YAC on screens and short passes.


So its clear to me that whomever wrote this crap only looked at highlight videos...Of course even in those you can still see he's got more to offer than just being a deep threat.
 
Pre-draft I wanted no part of Fuller. I too thought he was a one trick pony. But after drafting Martin to help shore up what I thought was our weakest position and then the drafting of Miller and Ervin showed me they had a plan to add speed and versatility. I still would rather they drafted Doctson in the first but am ok with Fuller and his speed now. I think our offense has the potential to give every DC out there nightmares
 
Pre-draft I wanted no part of Fuller. I too thought he was a one trick pony.

I was in the same boat... actually I was more, "As long as they don't take Fuller."

Not only did I think he was a one trick pony, I also worried about his hand size, & that he wasn't a "natural" catcher of the ball.

Now, eh... I'm glad they traded up for him. Removes any doubt that they targeted him & didn't just settle for the best of the rest.

I want to believe he's working on his game, working on becoming a pro. & so far he's done things that have impressed me, so it's getting easier & easier to get behind this pick.
 
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I hope so, although I've tempered my expectations to only see flashes of it next season. Most of them have never played together before, most are learning this offense, and some of the ones we're most excited about are rookies.

I expect growing pains.

Yeah, I'm expecting lots of growing pains. It takes time for cohesion to form and they become a team. But I'm also expecting enough flashes of brilliance for them to show how dangerous they "could" be
 
If he can show he is a threat then he will be ok but if not it will be a fail . If teams can not be forced to respect him he will be of no use , but the good news is we have two + to choose from .
 
I don't see Fuller having problems getting past DBs unless defense has an excellent bump and run corner that can knock him off stride and if so, the corner has to be perfect every snap. Like it has been said of FBI defending against terrorists, the terrorist has to get it right only once. Every time Fuller gets it right it should be a long gain if not a TD. Sure there will be some CBs with speed close to his but will they be defending him or Nuk or one of other guys? Key to this IMO is which NFL opponent has speed to cover all our weapons?

As for dropping balls, I guess Fuller will only have to catch 50% to assure tight coverage and even I think he will do much better than that.

Upstream there was a comment about guys we are talking about being rookies which is true; now we get to see O'Brien do his thing.

Finally, I wonder who comes to camp this season out of football condition?
 
I hope you had a good Gastroenterologist. Those body parts probably hurt coming out.

Seriously, though. When I was in my late 40's, I had a really nice, comfortable 405#x5 rep squat workout in a great workout. Felt strong and invincible. Got super sick the very next day. The doctors ran some tests and then put me in the hospital and removed my gall-bladder.

I am convinced I worked out so hard that I blew my gall-bladder.
 
I don't see Fuller having problems getting past DBs unless defense has an excellent bump and run corner that can knock him off stride and if so, the corner has to be perfect every snap. Like it has been said of FBI defending against terrorists, the terrorist has to get it right only once. Every time Fuller gets it right it should be a long gain if not a TD. Sure there will be some CBs with speed close to his but will they be defending him or Nuk or one of other guys? Key to this IMO is which NFL opponent has speed to cover all our weapons?

Even if CB speed equals Fuller speed.............ADVANTAGE>>>>Offensive player over Defensive player...............the Offensive player knows what he is about to do and where he is going to go...........the Defensive player is left more to guess and react..................I like that chess matchup for Fuller.
 
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