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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

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JB said:
Again, there are at least 5 different versions of a current Wonderlic in any given year. Not very likely they took the same. While similar and all have 50 questions, none are exactly alike.

Do you know for certain that Wentz would have been a 4.0 at Stanford? Or even that he would have taken the same courses? Did he take the same courses as Luck? Do you think all courses carry a similar degree of difficulty?
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What part of, if they take the SAME test, do you not understand? It's a hypothetical it didn'tactually happen. Having a tough day?
 
Texian said:
Let me say it this way in order that you may understand, Wentz will be in a learning mode in years 2016 and 2017 and will be going to Pro Bowls and Playoffs in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030. You might have a few reservations about drafting Wentz in 2016 and 2017 but from 2018 thru 2030 you will doing your happy dance because you did. And whose to say that Wentz won't outperform Osweiller in 2016 or 2017? He probably will.
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Awfully strong speculation and wag for a QB going to Cleveland wouldn't you say?
 
Texian said:
What part of, if they take the SAME test, do you not understand? It's a hypothetical it didn'tactually happen. Having a tough day?
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Are you forgetting what you said? You inferred that they did take the SAME test, no hypothetical about it. I'll agree that a 40 = a 40. I do not agree that a 4.0 = a 4.0
 
frethack said:
The main point is not if Gase is still using E-P, but instead if Os is versed in it. Manning uses the E-P system...Os backed Manning up for 4 years. It is not a stretch to assume that Os knows the verbiage and will be able to apply it here.

You make good points about Gase...no argument with you at all. I was only pointing out that Os will not be learning an entirely new verbiage (though the set of plays we run most are certainly different from those Brady or Manning run), and that OB and Rick Smith were not bringing Os in completely sight unseen. He will understand our language, which is very important considering most nfl teams draw from a similar set of basic plays but communicate them in different ways.

I'm not saying Os will succeed (though I hope he will)...only that he has a lot of practice in a similar system.

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Sorry I am not so sure Peyton used the E-P system at all. I doubt the terminology is the same. I understand one of those links said some concepts were similar, but he also said it was hard for him to determine what "is" Gases's system.

Manning & Moore developed Peyton's offense back in Indy. That's pretty much what they ran in Denver. Gase's job was to learn the offense from Peyton & teach it to the rest of the offense. I would expect "Adam Gase offense" would be an amalgamation of Martz, E-P, & Manning.

Osweiler would know Peyton's language more than the E-P terminology.

The offense Gase installs in Miami may be based in the E-P system more than what they ran in Denver.
 
Texian said:
Let me say it this way so that you might understand.......
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JB said:
Awfully strong speculation and wag for a QB going to Cleveland wouldn't you say?
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Cleveland is the fly in the ointment or soup..

JB said:
Are you forgetting what you said? You inferred that they did take the SAME test, no hypothetical about it. I'll agree that a 40 = a 40. I do not agree that a 4.0 = a 4.0
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But you don't know if Wentz would also be a 4.0 student at Stanford (somewhat funny people want to denigrate a 4.0 student)

thunderkyss said:
Sorry I am not so sure Peyton used the E-P system at all. I doubt the terminology is the same. I understand one of those links said some concepts were similar, but he also said it was hard for him to determine what "is" Gases's system.

Manning & Moore developed Peyton's offense back in Indy. That's pretty much what they ran in Denver. Gase's job was to learn the offense from Peyton & teach it to the rest of the offense. I would expect "Adam Gase offense" would be an amalgamation of Martz, E-P, & Manning.

Osweiler would know Peyton's language more than the E-P terminology.

The offense Gase installs in Miami may be based in the E-P system more than what they ran in Denver.
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Gase comes from the Steve Mariucci (West Coast Offense) coaching tree.
 
Texian said:
Let me say it this way in order that you may understand, Wentz will be in a learning mode in years 2016 and 2017 and will be going to Pro Bowls and Playoffs in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030. You might have a few reservations about drafting Wentz in 2016 and 2017 but from 2018 thru 2030 you will doing your happy dance because you did. And whose to say that Wentz won't outperform Osweiller in 2016 or 2017? He probably will.
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Nope you're changing the assertion because you can't support the original one. And hiding behind condescension as a defense mechanism.

Carry on. You've conceded the point twice over.
 
Texian said:
Let me say it this way in order that you may understand, Wentz will be in a learning mode in years 2016 and 2017 and will be going to Pro Bowls and Playoffs in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030. You might have a few reservations about drafting Wentz in 2016 and 2017 but from 2018 thru 2030 you will doing your happy dance because you did. And whose to say that Wentz won't outperform Osweiller in 2016 or 2017? He probably will.
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And the reason the texans cant give up so many picks to move up.they are in win mode now.. stong defense now, hooefully miller will give them a good running game and brock can be more than adequate that if we have to lean on him, he can deliver
 
Texian said:
But you don't know if Wentz would also be a 4.0 student at Stanford (somewhat funny people want to denigrate a 4.0 student)
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But you don't know that he would be ( I would never denigrate a 4.0, nor would I call a 4.0 from HBU = to a 4.0 from Rice )
 
Wolf said:
And the reason the texans cant give up so many picks to move up.they are in win mode now.. stong defense now, hooefully miller will give them a good running game and brock can be more than adequate that if we have to lean on him, he can deliver
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They've been in Bob McNair's WIN NOW mode for the last 7 years, how's that working out for them?
 
JB said:
But you don't know that he would be ( I would never denigrate a 4.0, nor would I call a 4.0 from HBU = to a 4.0 from Rice )
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Chances are very good that if you're a 4.0 student, you will be a 4.0 student regardless, they have what it takes to achieve.
 
Texian said:
Chances are very good that if you're a 4.0 student, you will be a 4.0 student regardless, they have what it takes to achieve.
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Silly assertion and remarkably ingnorant.

Guess he learned what it takes to achieve in between practices while in college because he didn't have what it takes to get into Stanford.
 
Texian said:
Let me say it this way in order that you may understand, Wentz will be in a learning mode in years 2016 and 2017 and will be going to Pro Bowls and Playoffs in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030. You might have a few reservations about drafting Wentz in 2016 and 2017 but from 2018 thru 2030 you will doing your happy dance because you did. And whose to say that Wentz won't outperform Osweiller in 2016 or 2017? He probably will.
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Let's assume for a minute that Wentz will be the best NFL QB to come along since Tom Brady, and we'll go one step further and assume that Goff will be the best NFL QB to come along since Carson Wentz.

Why should the Texans take the chance on getting shut out on both of those two guys when the odds of successfully trading up to a point high enough to draft one of them are incredibly small?
 
Texian said:
Chances are very good that if you're a 4.0 student, you will be a 4.0 student regardless, they have what it takes to achieve.
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Chances are even better that if you went to a Stanford or Rice you would take more challenging courses, it's not apples to apples
 
ChampionTexan said:
Gase ran an E-P offense with Chicago this past season. Clearly there was nothing held over from the Trestman experiment, and Fox is a defensive guy, so he wasn't going to force an offensive scheme on a coordinator. I'd say we've got at least a clue of Gase's preference.
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Everything I read said he reinforced Martz concepts which was still familiar to Cutler.
 
infantrycak said:
Silly assertion and remarkably ingnorant.

Guess he learned what it takes to achieve in between practices while in college because he didn't have what it takes to get into Stanford.
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This is a BIG boy discussion being conducted without insults. Well it was until you showed up.

ChampionTexan said:
Let's assume for a minute that Wentz will be the best NFL QB to come along since Tom Brady, and we'll go one step further and assume that Goff will be the best NFL QB to come along since Carson Wentz.

Why should the Texans take the chance on getting shut out on both of those two guys when the odds of successfully trading up to a point high enough to draft one of them are incredibly small?
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Because that's what winners do! Commitment to Excellence!

JB said:
Chances are even better that if you went to a Stanford or Rice you would take more challenging courses, it's not apples to apples
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That doesn't mean that proven 4.0 student couldn't ace them. I think you're now arguing for the sake of arguing so you and I done with 4.0.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
Pro-Football Reference classified the 2015 Chicago Bears offensive scheme as Erhardt-Perkins.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2015.htm
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Thanks.

That's interesting. I wonder if they're calling it E-P simply because Gase was there. Or maybe Gase relayed to Cutler in Martz-talk.

I also noticed they labeled the 2007 Colts offense as Air Coryell & the 2014 Broncos as E-P when they clearly ran Manning's offense.
 
Texian said:
This is a BIG boy discussion being conducted...
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You flatter yourself. As usual.
Texian said:
Because that's what winners do! Commitment to Excellence!
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So nearly 200 pages, and this is what you got??? Thanks for wasting the bandwidth.

Why continue this "discussion"? He has no argument. No logic. No compelling evidence. Would his hero, Elliot Wolf, attempt that trade? Of course not. What a joke.
 
Lucky said:
You flatter yourself. As usual.

So nearly 200 pages, and this is what you got??? Thanks for wasting the bandwidth.

Why continue this "discussion"? He has no argument. No logic. No compelling evidence. Would his hero, Elliot Wolf, attempt that trade? Of course not. What a joke.
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No I just respond to snark and disrespect in kind. There has been a ton of logic and common sense on display here, sorry you're obtuse to it.
 
Texian said:
That doesn't mean that proven 4.0 student couldn't ace them. I think you're now arguing for the sake of arguing so you and I done with 4.0.
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Doesn't prove that he could either. I never said that he wouldn't be a 4.0 wherever he went. Nice response... were you also that kid that said "I'll just take my ball and go home"?
 
Texian said:
Wentz and Goff are coming out of college with much much higher ratings and expectations than Osweiler .
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Other QBs rated higher than Osweiler coming out of college :
DeMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Jake Locker
Christian Ponder
Blaine Gabbert
Joey Harrington
David Carr

And on and on and on....

So freaking what? Ridiculous on its face. Spare yourself the embarrassment.
 
Luck had a 3.48 GPA and has a degree from Stanford in Archetectural Design. This is a professional degree just like an Engineer.

Wentz has a 4.0 GPA and will get a Health and Education degree from North Dakota State. This lets you teach PE and coach the high school football team.

School. Major. Grades. Tell you all you need to know.
 
sandman said:
Luck had a 3.48 GPA and has a degree from Stanford in Archetectural Design. This is a professional degree just like an Engineer.

Wentz has a 4.0 GPA and will get a Health and Education degree from North Dakota State. This lets you teach PE and coach the high school football team.

School. Major. Grades. Tell you all you need to know.
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Sarcasm?
 
Lucky said:
More flattery, eh?

"Nobody is as logical as me. Nobody is as sensible as me. I make amazing arguments."
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Why yes Lucky, you are those things.

Lol

And the funniest thing is that dude thinks it's because of his "message".


Let's Rock Brock!!!
 
JB said:
Doesn't prove that he could either. I never said that he wouldn't be a 4.0 wherever he went. Nice response... were you also that kid that said "I'll just take my ball and go home"?
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We've been around the same circle three times, what's the point other than to argue.
 
sandman said:
Luck had a 3.48 GPA and has a degree from Stanford in Archetectural Design. This is a professional degree just like an Engineer.

Wentz has a 4.0 GPA and will get a Health and Education degree from North Dakota State. This lets you teach PE and coach the high school football team.

School. Major. Grades. Tell you all you need to know.
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Amazing how many want to denigrate and belittle a 4.0 student with a 40 Wonderlic. I guess this says more about the pettiness of the poster. Unbelievable, I can only imagine that those denigrating and belittling a 4.0 GPA, their highest level of education is a high school graduate, maybe ???
 
Texian said:
Amazing how many want to denigrate and belittle a 4.0 student with a 40 Wonderlic. I guess this says more about the pettiness of the poster. Unbelievable, I can only imagine that those denigrating and belittling a 4.0 GPA, their highest level of education is a high school graduate, maybe ???
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I think they are just saying that all 4.0's aren't created equal....Probably because...Well....It's true.
 
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xtruroyaltyx said:
I think they are just saying that all 4.0's aren't created equal....Probably because...Well....It's true.
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Are you a 4.0? Is this how you know this? If you've walked in those shoes, let's talk, if not then let's not. Let's call it what it is, they were taking cheap shots.
 
Texian said:
Let me say it this way in order that you may understand, Wentz will be in a learning mode in years 2016 and 2017 and will be going to Pro Bowls and Playoffs in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030. You might have a few reservations about drafting Wentz in 2016 and 2017 but from 2018 thru 2030 you will doing your happy dance because you did. And whose to say that Wentz won't outperform Osweiller in 2016 or 2017? He probably will.
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So what? How could the Texans get him?.. and would the cost then be worth the difference... Assuming you are correct and Wentz is clearly an elite QB talent. Then, the Texans would likely need to trade up to #1 or #2 to get him. Based on the Draft Trade Chart, here is what it would take to move to the 1st overall pick:

The Texans entire 2016 draft (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th) + Texans 1st round pick in 2017 + Texans 1st round pick in 2018 + some additional sweeteners.

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Perhaps he will slip. However, what fan would want the Texans to ignore the QB position in free agency with the hope that Wentz or Goff might slip far enough down that they can trade most of their draft to go get him. Sounds like a loser's plan to me!
 
If you don't agree with me, you are just taking cheap shots with no basis in fact or common sense
 
dalemurphy said:
So what? How could the Texans get him?.. and would the cost then be worth the difference... Assuming you are correct and Wentz is clearly an elite QB talent. Then, the Texans would likely need to trade up to #1 or #2 to get him. Based on the Draft Trade Chart, here is what it would take to move to the 1st overall pick:

The Texans entire 2016 draft (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th) + Texans 1st round pick in 2017 + Texans 1st round pick in 2018 + some additional sweeteners.

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Perhaps he will slip. However, what fan would want the Texans to ignore the QB position in free agency with the hope that Wentz or Goff might slip far enough down that they can trade most of their draft to go get him. Sounds like a loser's plan to me!
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check your math, the Texans would need 1600-2600 pts starting with #22 at 780 pts.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
3.6, but if we are only able to discuss things that we've personally experienced then I don't want to hear another word from you.
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How do you know everything there is to know about 4.0 unless you're a 4.0.

Wolf said:
Yes. But comparing draft philosophy from kubiak and bob is nieve
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I'm not sure about nieve but Bob still sits on the front row on draft day and Rick Smith is still setting the draft board.
 
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