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So... a 4.0 at NDState is the same as a 4.0 from Stanford?
A Stanford student who makes a 40 test score on a Wonderlic test and a NDSU student who makes a 40 test score on a Wonderlic test = the same 40 test score on a Wonderlic test.

Do you know if Wentz could not have achieved a 4.0 at Stanford?
 
This thread is like watching WWE, I can not watch for a while knowing the same old story lines and same wrestlers spouting them will be here next time I tune in. I probably should work on the habit of watching both.
Check in next week.
 
He called RG3 "a more remarkable talent". He did have a very good rookie season, sidelined by injury, no debate there. If it were just the injuries, that would be one thing, but his character has also come into question. Character is the type of thing that generally comes to light after a few years in the league, like Osweiler has had for example. Funny how that works huh?
Physically that may be true, RGIII was certainly faster. I don't believe Cosell was discussing his character but feel free to assume that.
 
But you want the Texans to give up multiple 1st round picks and more to try to move up and snag one of these guys based on the same 15 min?
What I am saying here is the Texans did not do their homework here, a complete due diligence, a characteristic you'll find in most Rick Smith/Bob McNair decisions.
 
The horse is not dead, their will be more bonehead, panic, rush to judgement decisions....IT's a CONSTANT CONSISTENT PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR.

Dude, weren't you the one a few years ago saying that Manziel was a better prospect than TB? The only one in here rushing to judgement is you in that you're already predicting greatness for Wentz & declaring the Os pick up a failure b4 either has suited up for the new teams.........
 
What I am saying here is the Texans did not do their homework here, a complete due diligence, a characteristic you'll find in most Rick Smith/Bob McNair decisions.

And what everyone arguing against you is saying, iS that is YOUR OPINION. You have no idea what they did or didn't do, how much tape they watched, who they talked to, etc. etc. etc.

Stop assuming the things you say are fact. Are you John McClain? You are aren't you. Busted.
 
Adam Gase was in his 2nd year as OC, so I'd imagine they had some elements of the E-P System installed. OB and Gase are connected through McDaniels...I'd have a hard time believing that there weren't conversations regarding Os going on between those two as well. The acquisition was definitely not "sight unseen".

Like O'b, Gase has a pretty extensive coaching career, of which working with Josh McDanies is only a small part of. I'm also not too sure how much E-P Gase is using.

He coached with Mike Martz & I doubt he made Manning learn "his way."
 
This thread is like watching WWE, I can not watch for a while knowing the same old story lines and same wrestlers spouting them will be here next time I tune in. I probably should work on the habit of watching both.

I'm just hoping someone gets hit with a chair soon.
 
More speculation. This time from the same guy that once said RGIII was a more remarkable talent than Luck.

He was. His rookie season pretty much put a stamp on that thought. If not for being injured, who knows how he could have developed by now.

Some speculate Luck may never be the same after his shoulder ordeal. If his career were to end after six years, that doesn't mean the 12 year veteran Fitzpatrick was more talented.
 
This is pointless. Texian, your opinion on the perceived ineptitude of Texans personnel management is duly noted. Moving on.
He was. His rookie season pretty much put a stamp on that thought. If not for being injured, who knows how he could have developed by now.

Some speculate Luck may never be the same after his shoulder ordeal. If his career were to end after six years, that doesn't mean the 12 year veteran Fitzpatrick was more talented.
He was more physically gifted IMO, but don't think the mental side and the rest of the intangibles come close to measuring up. Maybe Washington was just a horrible fit and he'll have a resurgence in Cleveland. Of the two I'd certainly take Luck over him right now though.
 
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What I am saying here is the Texans did not do their homework here, a complete due diligence, a characteristic you'll find in most Rick Smith/Bob McNair decisions.
Can you prove any of this, provide links that show that the Texans only spent 15 minutes on these QB's? I would be absolutely shocked if this were the case. I would bet the farm that the Texans have watched more film on every player in this draft than you can imagine. It's getting comical reading your rants about how inadequate the Texans front office is.
 
You don't know what the Texans did or didn't do. Your entitled to your opinion, but stop trying to pawn them off as facts.

Hopefully Tex is wrong about the Texans and Os.

But he's right about the Texans not doing their due diligence.
 
pointless. Texian, your opinion on your perceived ineptitude of Texans personnel management is duly noted. Moving on.

He was more physically gifted IMO, but don't think the mental side and the rest of the intangibles come close to measuring up. Maybe Washington was just a horrible fit and he'll have a resurgence in Cleveland. Of the two I'd certainly take Luck over him right now though.
Washington was a perfect fit for him under Shannahan until the injuries. It was a poor fit under Gruden.
 
Dude, weren't you the one a few years ago saying that Manziel was a better prospect than TB? The only one in here rushing to judgement is you in that you're already predicting greatness for Wentz & declaring the Os pick up a failure b4 either has suited up for the new teams.........
No, you've me confused with someone else. I did say based on the LSU games I didn't expect a high degree of success for Manziel. I did say Bortles would be better than Bridgewater, maybe that is confusing you. I'm not rushing anywhere, I'm still here PATIENTLY WAITING for the draft. Yes I think Wentz is one of the best QB prospects to come along in several years. I didn't say Osweiller would be a failure, I did say average and ordinary, mediocre. You advocate the use of the Ignore feature, yet, here you are.
 
Washington was a perfect fit for him under Shannahan until the injuries. It was a poor fit under Gruden.
My recollection of the popular opinion during that rookie year is that injuries were inevitable given his frame and the way they used him.
 
And what everyone arguing against you is saying, iS that is YOUR OPINION. You have no idea what they did or didn't do, how much tape they watched, who they talked to, etc. etc. etc.

Stop assuming the things you say are fact. Are you John McClain? You are aren't you. Busted.
It's called a debate. I do know the Texans have a distinct pattern of behavior that they repeat year after year, season after season. Texans history has a way of repeating itself. Bob McNair is a creature of habit.
 
you mean speculation based on your perception of history... OB hasn't been here long enough to establish much history
Fitzpatrick, Savage, Hoyer, Mallett don't count? Good Grief man, he had 2 of the 4 on roster, up close and personal and OB still couldn't get it right.
 
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Like O'b, Gase has a pretty extensive coaching career, of which working with Josh McDanies is only a small part of. I'm also not too sure how much E-P Gase is using.

He coached with Mike Martz & I doubt he made Manning learn "his way."
A couple of links. Manning uses E-P elements, and Gase had incorporated the system into his own by the time he went to the Bears. I'm guessing he learned it from McDaniels and continued it's use as he was promoted and worked with Manning.

http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/erhardt-perkins-system-part-2/

http://www.trendingbuffalo.com/spor...date-broncos-offensive-coordinator-adam-gase/

Not wanting to be argumentative, but I just wanted to highlight that Os is already versed in the E-P system. Hopefully this will give him a greater chance for early success with us, and it's very likely that his familiarity went into the decision to bring him here.

We shall see how it all shakes out.

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Fitzpatrick, Savage, Hoyer, Mallett don't count? Good Grief man, he had 2 of the 4 on roster, up close and personal and OB still couldn't get it right.

I see that more as he didn't trust a rookie to start for him. He didn't sign any of those guys to a monster contract that they couldn't be done away with after 1 year. We did get a pick for Fitz, Savage is still in training after injuries, Mallett did himself in and Hoyer, well Hoyer was a flat out mistake. None of that accounts for whether they did or did not do due diligence to this draft class
 
I see that more as he didn't trust a rookie to start for him. He didn't sign any of those guys to a monster contract that they couldn't be done away with after 1 year. We did get a pick for Fitz, Savage is still in training after injuries, Mallett did himself in and Hoyer, well Hoyer was a flat out mistake. None of that accounts for whether they did or did not do due diligence to this draft class
Did anybody ever look at any of those guys (other than possibly Savage) as anything more than a stop gap? I remember being curious to see what Mallet had, but never thought of any of them as "the guy". I can't imagine anybody else thought otherwise, including O'Brien.
 
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I see that more as he didn't trust a rookie to start for him. He didn't sign any of those guys to a monster contract that they couldn't be done away with after 1 year. We did get a pick for Fitz, Savage is still in training after injuries, Mallett did himself in and Hoyer, well Hoyer was a flat out mistake. None of that accounts for whether they did or did not do due diligence to this draft class
He had Hoyer and Mallett on his NE roster, how much more due diligence do you need to do on those two? Based on that it should be harder to get it wrong that get it right. You're basically making a lot of excuses for OB. This says OB is very poor at performing any due diligence. OB spent a couple of years with Hoyer and Mallett and couldn't get it right but never talking to Osweiller and watching a few hours of OS film he can? That sounds like a horse going off at 99-1 if you ask me.
 
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He was more physically gifted IMO, but don't think the mental side and the rest of the intangibles come close to measuring up. Maybe Washington was just a horrible fit and he'll have a resurgence in Cleveland. Of the two I'd certainly take Luck over him right now though.

It will be interesting going forward. How much longer can Luck keep Indy afloat post Manning? Is this "new Cleveland" really new at all?
 
He had Hoyer and Mallett on his NE roster, how much more due diligence do you need to do on those two? Based on that it should be harder to get it wrong that get it right. You're basically making a lot of excuses for OB. This says OB is very poor at performing any due diligence. OB spent a couple of years with Hoyer and Mallett and couldn't get it right but never talking to Osweiller and watching a few hours of OS film he can? That sounds like a horse going off at 99-1 if you ask me.

I think that OB, like most coaches, thinks he can get out of a player more than anyone else has. I'm not making any excuses but picking up a stop gap QB you are familiar with doesn't equate to poor due diligence. Why do "a few hours of game film" count but weeks of joint practice sessions don't? OB also said he studied all of Os college game film. So he had a lot more info to base his opinion on Os than the did Wentz or Goff. You don't like the decision he made and I can understand that. But you seem to think that everyone with a differing opinion is stupid, and I can't countenance that. You are denigrating everything that goes against your opinion, and making ridiculous statements such as 99-1 when the facts are that Wentz or Goff is just as likely to bust as Os but at a much higher cost

I like the way you go back and edit your posts to make them more palatable after they've been responded to... not working
 
It will be interesting going forward. How much longer can Luck keep Indy afloat post Manning? Is this "new Cleveland" really new at all?
Luck can't do it by himself forever, that's for sure. As a Texan fan, it's tough to feel all that sorry for him though even if he is a local guy. Cleveland seems to have hired a very good coach this time around. Time will tell if the rest of that organization will get out of his way and let him do his job. I really liked watching RG3 play in college. I hope he resurrects his career. I have a feeling he's going to be playing second fiddle to Wentz though.
 
Can you prove any of this, provide links that show that the Texans only spent 15 minutes on these QB's? I would be absolutely shocked if this were the case. I would bet the farm that the Texans have watched more film on every player in this draft than you can imagine. It's getting comical reading your rants about how inadequate the Texans front office is.

I would bet in any other year, the Texans' vetting process goes far beyond watching film.

Osweiler was signed before Wentz or Goff's pro day. The Jets & Browns were able to spend days before signing or moving on from RGIII.

We're allowed 30 visits with Draft prospects before the draft, how many will be spent on QB now?

I understand what you're all saying. & I'm pleased with the way Rick handled FA this time around. We were the Hunter & we got what we wanted; QB, RB, OG, OC...

But how can Rick, or any of us for that matter, know that we prefer Osweiler to Cook.... I mean Wentz if we hadn't had the opportunity to bring Wentz to H-Town yet?

I'm happy with the Osweiler decision. Most likely because it comes on the heels of the Fitz/Hoyer decision more than Osweiler's merit. I don't ever remember saying, "I wish we had drafted Osweiler." I may have said it once or twice, but it was probably on the end of a Matt Schaub argument.
 
A couple of links. Manning uses E-P elements, and Gase had incorporated the system into his own by the time he went to the Bears. I'm guessing he learned it from McDaniels and continued it's use as he was promoted and worked with Manning.

http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/erhardt-perkins-system-part-2/

http://www.trendingbuffalo.com/spor...date-broncos-offensive-coordinator-adam-gase/

Not wanting to be argumentative, but I just wanted to highlight that Os is already versed in the E-P system. Hopefully this will give him a greater chance for early success with us, and it's very likely that his familiarity went into the decision to bring him here.

We shall see how it all shakes out.

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He was most likely exposed to the E-P system with Saban at Michigan State (where he also met Josh McDaniels), and continued at LSU.

Then he went to Detroit, then San Francisco, then Denver with McDaniels, then Denver with Manning.

OB started at Brown, then Georgia Tech, then New England, then Penn State. Since it's New England before going to Penn State we assume his preference is E-P.

Well, how do we know Gase's preference isn't what Martz was doing?

Judging by what we've seen the last couple of years, I wonder how much E-P we're using. & if Gase is as innovative as... I just think it may be presumptuous of us to assume he has a foundation in E-P.
 
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Their actions speak for their self.



In a nutshell, here is where the Texans fall short. They couldn't talk to Osweiller but they could talk to every QB in the draft. The Texans took a pass on the latter. Instead of leaving no stone upturned and completing a full due diligence to find the best QB available, the Texans based their decision on cash vs draft picks. OB took a quick look at the racing forum, looked at one horse, fell in love with one previous race he had run and immediately took off to the betting window and placed his bet not knowing that Secretariat and Man o War are running in the same race.
You don't REALLY think Goff and Lynch are even close to that caliber, do you? They may be the best in the draft, but HOF shoe ins without a single down played in the NFL?
 
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He was most likely exposed to the E-P system with Savannah at Michigan State (where he also met Josh McDaniels), and continued at LSU.

Then he went to Detroit, then San Francisco, then Denver with McDaniels, then Denver with Manning.

OB started at Brown, then Georgia Tech, then New England, then Penn State. Since it's New England before going to Penn State we assume his preference is E-P.

Well, how do we know Gase's preference isn't what Martz was doing?

Judging by what we've seen the last couple of years, I wonder how much E-P we're using. & if Gase is as innovative as... I just think it may be presumptuous of us to assume he has a foundation in E-P.
The main point is not if Gase is still using E-P, but instead if Os is versed in it. Manning uses the E-P system...Os backed Manning up for 4 years. It is not a stretch to assume that Os knows the verbiage and will be able to apply it here.

You make good points about Gase...no argument with you at all. I was only pointing out that Os will not be learning an entirely new verbiage (though the set of plays we run most are certainly different from those Brady or Manning run), and that OB and Rick Smith were not bringing Os in completely sight unseen. He will understand our language, which is very important considering most nfl teams draw from a similar set of basic plays but communicate them in different ways.

I'm not saying Os will succeed (though I hope he will)...only that he has a lot of practice in a similar system.

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A Stanford student who makes a 40 test score on a Wonderlic test and a NDSU student who makes a 40 test score on a Wonderlic test = the same 40 test score on a Wonderlic test.

You say that as if you think all Wonderlic's were the same...
 
Well, how do we know Gase's preference isn't what Martz was doing?
Gase ran an E-P offense with Chicago this past season. Clearly there was nothing held over from the Trestman experiment, and Fox is a defensive guy, so he wasn't going to force an offensive scheme on a coordinator. I'd say we've got at least a clue of Gase's preference.
 
I look at this swopping 1sts and giving up a 2nd possibly another high pick along with Clowney or mercilus is a very steep price to potentially pay to move to 3 or 4 or 6th in the draft for this team for one player that would need time to develop and with the number of holes that the texans need to fill. If the player was Clowney ,why would a team want him in a package while is continues to get hurt? That doesnt help,say cleveland or mercilus. Why would the texans give up a player that hopefully is finally developing?
Sure the top rated qbs could maybe be the next big thing, but if they dont have weapons around them or a line that can't protect them. I see it being a long road for them to develop. Did the texans act fast on brock? Yes,they had too or we would probably end up starting the season again with hoyer. I imagine there were other teams looking at him . If these rookies are going to be as good as you think ..well there are at least 15 other teams(just throwing out a number) that would be making a push to move up for the next "HOF" QB. I just think the texans would have to overpay even more when the bidding started on draft day. We have flexibility still with our draft. Plus i am wondering how long jojo,wilfolk and cushing will still be here and we will need picks to use now so we can strengthen other areas so when the time comes to replace those guys we can hopefully do it.

Key to this deal is we need a good draft over the next two years then we can compare ..brock does will its a win. Brock sucks,well we will picking high in the draft and we get the "next HOF" rookie qb. Plus by that time rick and bob would be gone. So it is a win for the gloom and doomers
 
Your avatar adds to the comedy but not so much to serious conversation.

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You don't REALLY think Goff and Lynch are even close to that caliber, do you? They may be the best in the draft, but HOF shoe ins without a single down played in the NFL?

I have the dude ignored, which is awesome BTW, he doesn't even show up when quoted by someone, but if that's what he said then he's sniffing way too much glue and it may be a cry for help. Just wish I knew how to get a hold of whoever is helping Manziel with his problems because this could be serious.
 
facts are that Wentz or Goff is just as likely to bust as Os but at a much higher cost

I like the way you go back and edit your posts to make them more palatable after they've been responded to... not working
Wentz and Goff are coming out of college with much much higher ratings and expectations than Osweiller, If Osweiller was coming out in this up coming draft he would still be a 2nd or 3rd draft pick. I go back and edit my post mainly to correct spelling and grammatical errors.
 
I grant you that Goff and Wentz are higher rated than Os was when he came out 4 years ago. But that was four years ago. He's got some experience now that most think is worth something. And I was talking about your going back to add meat to your posts, not the editing of grammar or spelling.
 
You don't REALLY think Goff and Lynch are even close to that caliber, do you? They may be the best in the draft, but HOF shoe ins without a single down played in the NFL?
I think Goff can be as good as Peyton Manning but I have probably done more research on Wentz than most so what do I know. (I think you meant Goff instead of Lynch.)
 
I grant you that Goff and Wentz are higher rated than Os was when he came out 4 years ago. But that was four years ago. He's got some experience now that most think is worth something. And I was talking about your going back to add meat to your posts, not the editing of grammar or spelling.
Would you rather I just create another post than edit?
 
Wentz and Goff are coming out of college with much much higher ratings and expectations than Osweiller, If Osweiller was coming out in this up coming draft he would still be a 2nd or 3rd draft pick. I go back and edit my post mainly to correct spelling and grammatical errors.

But Oz isn't coming out of college right now so complete failure of a comparison - well unless you don't think grooming counts for anything. But that would jack your Wentz to Dallas wet dream all to hell.
 
You say that as if you think all Wonderlic's were the same...
Let me say it this way so that you might understand, if a Stanford student and a NDSU student took the same Wonderlic test and both score 40, the Stanford student didn't score higher because he went to Stanford.

Do you know for certain that Carson Wentz wouldn't be a 4.0 student at Stanford?
 
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Let me say it this way so that you might understand, if a Stanford student and a NDSU student took the same Wonderlic test and both score 40, the Stanford student didn't score higher because he went to Stanford.

Do you know for certasin that Carson Wentz wouldn't be a 4.0 student at Stanford?

Again, there are at least 5 different versions of a current Wonderlic in any given year. Not very likely they took the same. While similar and all have 50 questions, none are exactly alike.

Do you know for certain that Wentz would have been a 4.0 at Stanford? Or even that he would have taken the same courses? Did he take the same courses as Luck? Do you think all courses carry a similar degree of difficulty?
 
But Oz isn't coming out of college right now so complete failure of a comparison - well unless you don't think grooming counts for anything. But that would jack your Wentz to Dallas wet dream all to hell.

Let me say it this way in order that you may understand, Wentz will be in a learning mode in years 2016 and 2017 and will be going to Pro Bowls and Playoffs in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030. You might have a few reservations about drafting Wentz in 2016 and 2017 but from 2018 thru 2030 you will doing your happy dance because you did. And whose to say that Wentz won't outperform Osweiller in 2016 or 2017? He probably will.
 
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