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O’Brien likes how Osweiler plays under pressure

Brock Osweiler was benched in favor of Peyton Manning before the Broncos’ Super Bowl run. But the Texans still think Osweiler has proven he can perform in the clutch.

Texans coach Bill O’Brien said on today’s PFT Live that one of the reasons Houston signed Osweiler to a big contract at the start of free agency is that Osweiler has proven he can win big games. O’Brien pointed to the Broncos’ victory over the Patriots last season as an example of Osweiler showing he can perform under pressure.

“The one thing that stood out to me on tape when I watched him is all of the games that he played in were meaningful games,” O’Brien said. “These guys were in a playoff hunt and he was in some tough ballgames. I use the example of the New England game. He was being pressured quite a bit and he was taking some really good hits but he was delivering the football and I thought that said a lot about his toughness, his ability to keep his eyes downfield under pressure and deliver the football. It wasn’t always complete, but I thought he did a nice job in that game. So I think that’s one of the things we’re all looking forward to is working with that type of guy that’s a tough guy, a good leader, a good teammate. That’s what we’re looking forward to.”

The Broncos’ victory over the Patriots in that game ended up being crucial to Denver earning home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs, and O’Brien said Osweiler proving he could beat the Patriots was something the Texans loved.

“Absolutely and you know it stood out to me,” O’Brien said. “You know that was a game that — I studied all the games, went back to Arizona State, studied those games — but that one game knowing the type of team he was going against, what was on the line in that game, I thought he did really nice job.”

Osweiler did a nice job, but in the playoffs, the Broncos decided they’d rather go to Manning. In Houston, there’s no doubt: They’re counting on Osweiler to take them all the way.

Blue just for you, Obsi!
 
Ex-coach Gary Kubiak lauds new Texans QB Brock Osweiler
By John McClain

Published 10:30 am, Tuesday, March 22, 2016


BOCA RATON, Fla. – Denver coach Gary Kubiak had high praise for his former quarterback, Brock Osweiler.

Kubiak, who led the Broncos to a Super Bowl 50 victory over Carolina last season, lost Osweiler to the Texans for $72 million over four years, including $37 million guaranteed.

"Brock's a very talented young man," Kubiak said Tuesday during the AFC coaches breakfast at the NFL spring meetings. "He's a big kid that sees the field extremely well. He can make all the throws. He moved around well. When he played, that was something he did very well.


"He also made some plays off-schedule."

Osweiler was 5-2 as a starter for the Broncos last season before Kubiak benched him for the playoffs and went with Peyton Manning.

"One of the biggest things he did was sit behind Peyton and learn from a Hall of Famer," Kubiak said. "He really benefited from that and how he goes about his preparation. He works extremely hard."
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Listen to video commentary in the link where they uestion the wisdom in McNair's public statement re. Os' reason for coming here
 
I don't quite get the rush to dump Hoyer. As long as there is no possible QB controversy, and after KC I can't see there ever being one, why not keep him around as backup? Savage hasn't proven anything other than a propensity for injury. If the last two years have taught us anything, it's that having an extra QB around isn't the worst idea in the world. What do we do if we trade Hoyer, Os gets hurt in week 10 and Savage breaks something in his first half of play again?
 
Bane said:
I don't quite get the rush to dump Hoyer. As long as there is no possible QB controversy, and after KC I can't see there ever being one, why not keep him around as backup? Savage hasn't proven anything other than a propensity for injury. If the last two years have taught us anything, it's that having an extra QB around isn't the worst idea in the world. What do we do if we trade Hoyer, Os gets hurt in week 10 and Savage breaks something in his first half of play again?
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I'll take the street over Hoyer in that instance, far-fetched tho it be
 
Bane said:
I don't quite get the rush to dump Hoyer. As long as there is no possible QB controversy, and after KC I can't see there ever being one, why not keep him around as backup? Savage hasn't proven anything other than a propensity for injury. If the last two years have taught us anything, it's that having an extra QB around isn't the worst idea in the world. What do we do if we trade Hoyer, Os gets hurt in week 10 and Savage breaks something in his first half of play again?
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He counts $5 million against the salary cap. If he stays on the team, we can't afford to add anything other than our draft picks and some guys at the veteran minimum. If we can trade him, not only do we get a draft pick, but we get some salary cap room to add a significant player or two in free agency.
 
Bane said:
I don't quite get the rush to dump Hoyer. As long as there is no possible QB controversy, and after KC I can't see there ever being one, why not keep him around as backup? Savage hasn't proven anything other than a propensity for injury. If the last two years have taught us anything, it's that having an extra QB around isn't the worst idea in the world. What do we do if we trade Hoyer, Os gets hurt in week 10 and Savage breaks something in his first half of play again?
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I don't trust O'b. Plain & simple. He'll find some way to get Hoyer on the field. I know, you're saying after the money we're spending on Osweiler, there's no way.

But I don't trust him. We'll be hearing about Osweiler's broken clock, or how well Hoyer is doing in closed practices & how damn proud we out to be to have Hoyer on the team.

He needs to be gone. Accept what Godsey already has, those that can't teach.
 
I'm trying to think of a game last season where Hoyer showed he'd be worth keeping as a 5million dollar backup. Take out any game vs. a team currently picking in the top 10. I really can't think of any moments that make me want to keep him, regardless of price. Saving 5mil by getting rid of him is just icing.
 
dalemurphy said:
He counts $5 million against the salary cap. If he stays on the team, we can't afford to add anything other than our draft picks and some guys at the veteran minimum. If we can trade him, not only do we get a draft pick, but we get some salary cap room to add a significant player or two in free agency.
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Cap relief is always good but we're still about 10 million under the last time I checked. I don't really see them bringing in any more big name guys this year anyway. They'll bring in some camp casualty types like they always do, but I doubt we'll see anybody remotely approaching expensive. Regardless, if they do trade Hoyer I'm betting it won't be until after a few guys get hurt in training cap and teams are feeling a little more desperate.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't trust O'b. Plain & simple. He'll find some way to get Hoyer on the field. I know, you're saying after the money we're spending on Osweiler, there's no way.

But I don't trust him. We'll be hearing about Osweiler's broken clock, or how well Hoyer is doing in closed practices & how damn proud we out to be to have Hoyer on the team.

He needs to be gone. Accept what Godsey already has, those that can't teach.
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When you put it that way, ok, I can totally buy into that. I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it if they get rid of him.
 
If Hoyer is off the roster, there is zero chance that he'll play QB in a Texans uniform. I really like those chances when it pertains to Hoyerable.

McNair's comments were obviously directed at Hoyer and that 30-0 debacle in January.

"If the quarterback doesn't turn the ball over with our defense and our running game, we've got a chance to beat anybody. But when the quarterback turns the ball over, anybody can beat you if they don't turn it over."
~ Bob McNair
 
Brandon420tx said:
I'm trying to think of a game last season where Hoyer showed he'd be worth keeping as a 5million dollar backup. Take out any game vs. a team currently picking in the top 10. I really can't think of any moments that make me want to keep him, regardless of price. Saving 5mil by getting rid of him is just icing.
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I think his best game was against New Orleans. Not $5M good, but they aren't picking in the top 10.
 
Fred said:
Although I agree that the overall evaluation of Elway is better than Smith, I can see that in this case Rick outfoxed Johnny and stole his starting QB. You can't admit that even in one case that Smith could ever get the best of Elway, but it happened.
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I don't think anyone outfoxed anybody. From what I'm hearing, Os just didn't want to be in Denver. Period.

thunderkyss said:
I think his best game was against New Orleans. Not $5M good, but they aren't picking in the top 10.
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Just about everyone's best game was against NO last season. They gave up 100+ passer rating in 13 of their 16 games.

The fact that OB is saying Hoyer is the #2 (and man, that statement can't be any truer) does nothing for my confidence in him about his evaluations. How can I trust the good things he says about Brock?

Now, maybe he's just blowing smoke to try and get something in a trade, but I can't take anything he says without several grains of salt. Fortunately, I hear good things about Os from Kubes and Elway, both whom I trust more than I do OB at this point.
 
Texian said:
That's your prerogative but I'm not going to tell what you can and can't say or to shut up and move on. Do what you must. anti-Texan troll is an oxymoron, I think what you meant to say is a Texan Troll
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All of the draft BS aside, I'd love to see you're breakdown of OS in the NE game last year. If you don't have all-22. I'll provide you with a username and password.
 
I don't want to see Brian Hoyer coming back in 2016 even as a third-string quarterback. I'd be fine bringing back Brandon Weeden to compete for the backup job with Tom Savage. Even T.J. Yates, although he's coming off a serious ACL injury from late in the season. But even Yates is a guy I would rather bring back instead of Hoyer.

And plus, I still think we could draft a quarterback in the fourth or fifth round. There may be somebody good who slips several rounds in this draft who could be a good project for Bill O'Brien.

Cardale Jones is a guy I would like to see fall into those mid rounds even after a good pro day. At one point he was considered a 4th or 5th round pick, but now a team may select him as high as the 2nd or 3rd round. Only if he fell to the fourth round I'd be on board drafting him for depth.

But anyways, Bill O'Brien once took Savage in the fourth-round. It wouldn't hurt us anyways, especially if Savage gets hurt again (third year on IR) or something along those lines.

All I know is Brian Hoyer, he's got to go!
So many other depth options at QB we can go with.
Hoyer at $5 million, if he's on our roster, would be a crime.

He's not worth that money. In what other job can you suck so badly and make that type of money? Baseball maybe? I mean wow, that's just a crime really.

We can pay a quarterback drafted in the fourth round $380,000 a year, with a steady pay raise to $800,000 in years three and four (rookie contract), who would be better than Hoyer's $5 million a year.
 
Texian said:
That's your prerogative but I'm not going to tell what you can and can't say or to shut up and move on. Do what you must. anti-Texan troll is an oxymoron, I think what you meant to say is a Texan Troll
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All of the draft BS aside, I'd love to see you're breakdown of OS in the NE game last year. If you don't have all-22. I'll provide you with a username and password.
Bulls on Parade said:
I don't want to see Brian Hoyer coming back in 2016 even as a third-string quarterback. I'd be fine bringing back Brandon Weeden to compete for the backup job with Tom Savage. Even T.J. Yates, although he's coming off a serious ACL injury from late in the season. But even Yates is a guy I would rather bring back instead of Hoyer.

And plus, I still think we could draft a quarterback in the fourth or fifth round. There may be somebody good who slips several rounds in this draft who could be a good project for Bill O'Brien.

Cardale Jones is a guy I would like to see fall into those mid rounds even after a good pro day. At one point he was considered a 4th or 5th round pick, but now a team may select him as high as the 2nd or 3rd round. Only if he fell to the fourth round I'd be on board drafting him for depth.

But anyways, Bill O'Brien once took Savage in the fourth-round. It wouldn't hurt us anyways, especially if Savage gets hurt again (third year on IR) or something along those lines.

All I know is Brian Hoyer, he's got to go!
So many other depth options at QB we can go with.
Hoyer at $5 million, if he's on our roster, would be a crime.

He's not worth that money. In what other job can you suck so badly and make that type of money? Baseball maybe? I mean wow, that's just a crime really.

We can pay a quarterback drafted in the fourth round $380,000 a year, with a steady pay raise to $800,000 in years three and four (rookie contract), who would be better than Hoyer's $5 million a year.
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Do you have to write a novel every time you post? Especially on inconsequential posts? You're pretty damn wordy and few people care Keep it concise and to the point. You're ******* irritating.
 
Texans coach Bill O'Brien: Brock Osweiler 'a very good fit' in system
By John McClain

Published 11:06 am, Tuesday, March 22, 2016

BOCA RATON, Fla. – For almost an hour, Texans coach Bill O'Brien sat at a table during the AFC coaches breakfast, fielding so many questions about new quarterback Brock Osweiler.

Reporters from all over the country wanted to know what O'Brien thought about Osweiler and what he expects the quarterback to do for the Texans.

The first question to O'Brien was what he likes about Osweiler?

"I think the first thing you look at is his film, how he plays the game," O'Brien said. "He's a big, tall guy (6-8, 240) with a strong arm, and he stands in the pocket. As the rush is bearing down on him, he delivers the ball."

As NFL Films quarterback expert Greg Cosell says about quarterbacks who are fearless in the pocket, "They'll stare down the gun barrel."

That's trait about Osweiler that O'Brien respects.

"Look, it's not always complete, but there's a lot that goes into that," O'Brien said. "I think the one thing that I like about this guy is that he's got good leadership ability.

"He's tough. He's got a good arm. He's accurate. We spent a lot of time studying a lot of different guys -- college guys, pro guys -- and we felt like Brock gave us the best chance to win."

Osweiler has a lot of improving to do after making only seven starts (5-2 record) last season, his fourth with the Broncos.

"We all need to improve," O'Brien said. "I would say with Brock, just continuing to develop his skillset as a passer and being as accurate as he can be.

"Learning our system, that's going to be big. We can't work with these guys until April 18. Once we get him, we're going to have to really go to work, and, hopefully, in nine weeks, we can get a lot done."

O'Brien thinks Osweiler fits the system he installed with offensive coordinator George Godsey.


"I thought he was a very good fit, obviously," O'Brien said. "We felt like everything he brought to the table from his command at the line of scrimmage to his skillset as a passer – he's a great fit for our offense."
 
Speedy said:
I don't think anyone outfoxed anybody. From what I'm hearing, Os just didn't want to be in Denver. Period.



Just about everyone's best game was against NO last season. They gave up 100+ passer rating in 13 of their 16 games.

The fact that OB is saying Hoyer is the #2 (and man, that statement can't be any truer) does nothing for my confidence in him about his evaluations. How can I trust the good things he says about Brock?

Now, maybe he's just blowing smoke to try and get something in a trade, but I can't take anything he says without several grains of salt. Fortunately, I hear good things about Os from Kubes and Elway, both whom I trust more than I do OB at this point.
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You should trust BOB every QB he's brought in has gotten better or had a career yr. Fitz/Hoyer, He also won with Keenum/Weeden/Yates on short notice. Osweiler is the most talented QB the Texans have ever had, (From a skillset perspective) and BOB is great at coaching QB's up. You should be excited.

I know you think Elway/Kubiak know more about the QB position than BOB does and I disagree. The fact that Elway/Kubes wanted and offered a good chunk of change to keep Os should make you think Os has the goods to be great. BOB will help Os get there and it may take a couple of yrs so you will have to be patient, but good things are around the corner. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
You should trust BOB every QB he's brought in has gotten better or had a career yr. Fitz/Hoyer, He also won with Keenum/Weeden/Yates on short notice. Osweiler is the most talented QB the Texans have ever had, (From a skillset perspective) and BOB is great at coaching QB's up. You should be excited.

I know you think Elway/Kubiak know more about the QB position than BOB does and I disagree. The fact that Elway/Kubes wanted and offered a good chunk of change to keep Os should make you think Os has the goods to be great. BOB will help Os get there and it may take a couple of yrs so you will have to be patient, but good things are around the corner. IMHO
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You say you disagree and then completely agree. Yes, because Elway and Kubes wanted the guy and are saying good things about him, it leads me to believe Brock is going to do good things for us.

I'd have some trepidation if it were only OB saying those good things. Despite the "career" years he's gotten out of scrubs, his decisions to bring them here in the first place doesn't fill me with much confidence. I don't want him bringing in Christian Ponder just because he's going to get Ponder to have his best year ever. Ponder, Hoyer, Fitz, those bars aren't very high to begin with.

So yeah, I am exited about having Brock here, but not so much because of what I think OB is going to get out of him or say about him. It's because of what others are saying, who quite frankly, I trust more than I do OB, for now. OB might be a great coach, but his decision making and talent evaluations are keeping me from putting much trust in him.
 
Fred said:
At least Texian only bases half of his evaluation of Oz on his hatred of Rick Smith and his love of John Elway - for you it seems to be 100%. If Oz had re-signed with Denver, then he would be a great QB, and the brillant Elway would have outfoxed the dunce Smith. But since Oz signed with Houston, then by definition, Elway didn't want him and he is a terrible QB, and Elway outfoxed Smith.

Although I agree that the overall evaluation of Elway is better than Smith, I can see that in this case Rick outfoxed Johnny and stole his starting QB. You can't admit that even in one case that Smith could ever get the best of Elway, but it happened.

Enjoy wearing your Broncos "Sanchez" jersey.
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The fact that you think I'm some Broncos fan is the amusing part. I hate the Broncos. I hated Elway as a player, and I can't stand him as a GM. That doesn't stop me from acknowledging his committed and aggressive approach and the success that has resulted from it. He is the last guy I want to give recognition to.

The Broncos never thought that highly of Oz. Hell, they started arguably the worst QB in the league over him. Manning was very likely to break the INT record if he didn't leave for a while. He was dreadful throwing INT's left and right. Oz still couldn't manage to keep that job. I know it is Manning and all, but the staff still felt that one of the worst guys playing at the position gave them a better chance. They didn't fight tooth and nail to keep him.

That's neither here nor there at this point. He is here now, and I'm excited to see what he can do. I hope he gets a fire beneath him, and catches momentum in his play to where a nucleus is built. We'll see what happens.
 
You do realize Gary Kubiak simply made a coaching decision to insert Peyton Manning back into the starting lineup that final regular-season game?

He needed a spark in that final game against the Chargers after the offense was struggling in the first half. It wasn't as if Brock Osweiler wasn't playing well enough (he out-performed Manning). The team in general was just lousy in that first half.

And he admitted he felt the veteran leadership of Manning could rally the team. And sure enough, Peyton Manning entered the game, the crowd was on their feet giving him a standing ovation - like magic, their defense and special teams came alive as well. And to Kubiak's credit he was right. They went on to win Super Bowl 50 with the veteran quarterback and future Hall of Famer.

Bottom line: Football is a team game.

If the entire team elevates their level of play with one quarterback, even if he isn't better than the other quarterback, you should still go with the quarterback the team plays better for.

Gary Kubiak, to his credit, wasn't an idiot. He made the switch and luckily for him it paid off.

Many people would argue that Brock Osweiler would have won the Super Bowl as the starting quarterback if he had remained the starter. Overall he put up better numbers than Peyton Manning.

Although their road would have been tougher if they hadn't came back to beat the Chargers in that final game. The Chiefs would have won the AFC West and the Broncos would have played in that wild-card game at Houston.

Gary Kubiak made the right choice. In the end, it may have cost them Brock Osweiler. John Elway wanted him back, but being benched in that final game may have weighed on his mind even though he said it didn't bother him.

I'm just glad Brock Osweiler is in Houston.
 
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The Broncos never thought that highly of Oz. Hell, they started arguably the worst QB in the league over him.
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That's just not true, the bolded part. Even Elway and Kubiak, themselves, would say they wanted Brock Osweiler back. You can't associate that one big coaching move as a sign they didn't think highly of them. Even Kubiak said it was a tough decision to name Peyton Manning the starter for the playoffs - he wrestled with the decision for nearly two weeks.

The other part is simple to explain which I touched on a little bit in my last post. It was the playoffs. Their team needed a spark in that final game. Peyton Manning gave it to them with his veteran experience.

Their entire team rallied behind Manning. When he received that thunderous standing ovation from the fans, their defense came alive and dominated, their special teams was perfect. It all came together with that one quarterback change.

I still don't think they should have pulled Brock Osweiler, as that may have helped their chances of keeping him, but hindsight is 20-20 and Kubiak made the right choice.

Way different circumstances, don't even try to compare it, but it would be like the Texans trailing 13-0 at halftime against the Chiefs and Brian Hoyer sucking so badly. The players are looking for a spark, our fans are looking for a spark, but Bill O'Brien refused to bring Brandon Weeden into the game - the players stayed demoralized and uninspired with Hoyer still in the game to start the second half. We proceed to lose 30-0.

Our defense just lost interest in the second half, there was no spark or rally amongst our team. Our special teams just stayed dead from start to finish in that game.

Gary Kubiak took a gamble and it paid off for him.
Bill O'Brien didn't take a gamble, we lose 30-0 in the playoffs.

Now here we are, the Texans take a gamble on a promising quarterback, while the Broncos are stuck with Mark Sanchez at the moment.

Funny how it all works out, eh?
The rich become the poor and poor become the rich.

But here's the thing, Brock Osweiler is as good a quarterback as the Houston have ever had. I think he'll break all of Matt Schaub's passing records before he's done playing. Which may or may not be saying much. Schaub was very good for a few healthy seasons, including a Pro Bowl MVP one year when he led the entire league in passing yardage.

But people have to stop spreading lies, implying that the Broncos didn't think too highly of Brock Osweiler. They obviously did and they also thought he would be a big part of their future. John Elway and Gary Kubiak both thought Osweiler would be their franchise quarterback for the next seven or eight years.

I think even the Broncos are stunned, as an organization, that Osweiler signed with the Houston Texans. I almost feel like they weren't expecting any team to over-pay Osweiler. They felt their offer was good enough.

And let me say, the Broncos final offer, as reported, was pretty damn strong. That doesn't signal to me that they didn't think highly of Osweiler. The Texans, desperate for a good quarterback, merely out-bid the Broncos, who didn't have anywhere near the salary cap space the Texans had.
 
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Is anyone going to give a pick for hoyer? I laugh at the thought.

It just makes me laugh.

Seriously try it. Ask yourself if anyone will give a pick for him.

If it does happen I'm probably going to bust a gut or pass out from dehydration from crying and laughing so hard.

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xtruroyaltyx said:
Is anyone going to give a pick for hoyer? I laugh at my he thought.

It just makes me laugh.

Seriously try it. Ask yourself if anyone will give a pick for him.

If it does happen I'm probably going to bust a gut or pass out from dehydration from crying and laughing so hard.

:lol:
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The Jets may give the Texans a seventh-round pick for Brian Hoyer (in the 2017 draft - not this upcoming draft), with potential of being a sixth-round pick based on performance. But that's only happening if Ryan Fitzpatrick doesn't re-sign there and if they don't sign, say, Robert Griffin III.

Funny enough, didn't we originally trade Ryan Fitzpatrick to the Jets just a year ago? For a late-round conditional pick.

I believe it was something similar. It was assumed to be a seventh-round pick at first, but later turned into a sixth-round pick because he had played in 70 % of their snaps.

Fitzy played so well for the Jets last season it should have turned into a third or fourth-round pink. Wink, wink. I wish it was performance based on actual stats and not in playing a certain percentage of plays.

But yeah, believe it or not, the Jets may have interest in trading for Brian Hoyer. According to everything I'm hearing and seeing. We shall see what happens though.
 
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Well perhaps a trade can be worded that if Hoyer plays as did Fitz the pick can go up to a 5th? That is round I am fantasizing about...
 
I find this Kubiak as guru QB talent evaluator thing to be a little bizarre. Is he not the same guy that picked Matt Schaub over Peyton Manning? I think it's a whole lot more likely that he is simply loyal to his vet QBs to a fault and always has been. I guess it payed off for him in the playoffs last season but iI don't put all that much stock in what he thinks of Os one way or the other.
 
Bane said:
I find this Kubiak as guru QB talent evaluator thing to be a little bizarre. Is he not the same guy that picked Matt Schaub over Peyton Manning? I think it's a whole lot more likely that he is simply loyal to his vet QBs to a fault and always has been. I guess it payed off for him in the playoffs last season but iI don't put all that much stock in what he thinks of Os one way or the other.
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You have to put that in the proper context. Manning, himself, didn't know if he would be able to play again and the Texans were doing pretty good with Schaub.
 
Aaron Wilson reports:

Osweiler has organized a series of informal throwing sessions and workouts in Arizona with the Texans' skill players, including Pro Bowl wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins and other receivers and backs. The workouts are expected to take place before the start of the Texans' offseason conditioning program that launches April 18, according to sources not authorized to speak publicly.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I think I'd get kinda pissed see the dude run out the tunnel in a Texans uniform again after the embarrassment of the 0-30 playoff game.

So, this....and it didn't take an essay
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I compare Hoyer's playoff meltdown to Schaub's Pick 6 barrage (meltdown season). There is no way Schaub could even come back as a #2. I just don't see how the team would/could get behind that. Not to mention the fan base, not that the fans opinions matter one bit, but....

I just don't see how O'Brien can sell Hoyer as even the #2 to the team after that dismal, I'm frightened out of mind performance against KC.
 
DocBar said:
All of the draft BS aside, I'd love to see you're breakdown of OS in the NE game last year. If you don't have all-22. I'll provide you with a username and password.
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In my review of Patriots vs Broncos game, let me preface by saying OS did a good job of managing the game. He made some early mistakes but did not lose his head or his cool. It was cold and snowy so it was less than ideal conditions. The Patriots were actually the better team that day but a 4th quarter muffed punt and 100 yds of critical penalties is what cost them the game. Brady was without Amendola and Edleman and Gronkowski was injured late in the game. The strength of the Broncos Offense this day was their running game. Broncos scored rushing TDs of 15, 19 and 48 yards.

Kubiak did a lot to help and protect Osweiller. Kubiak called a lot of passes from shotgun with deep 5 step drops and play actions to buy Osweiller a lot time. It worked and Osweiller was accurate and processed info well when given time. if there is a offensive hero it was Emanuel Sanders who was quite impressive in his abilities to get open. The Patriots helped by only rushing 4 and sometimes 5 in most given situations. Osweiller's biggest challenge will be going from a West Coast Offense and Zone Blocking system to O'Brien's offense. One reason Schaub had some success in Houston is he came from a WCO and ZBS in Atlanta to a WCO and ZBS in Houston. If Osweiller can manage the transition, the Texans QB of the future could be similar to what they had in Matt Schaub IMHO.
 
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Bulls on Parade said:
And let me say, the Broncos final offer, as reported, was pretty damn strong. That doesn't signal to me that they didn't think highly of Osweiler. The Texans, desperate for a good quarterback, merely out-bid the Broncos, who didn't have anywhere near the salary cap space the Texans had.
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Agreed. I normally don't care to overpay in FA, you rarely get what you paid for. But in this case... eh. I've never been high on Brock Osweiler. But if O'b likes what he sees, then I'm all for it.

Plus, it seems like we got a discount on Lamar Miller & he's going to play a big part in our offense. & it doesn't seem like we paid too much for Jeff Allen either... so, yeah. Very optimistic about 2016.
 
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Aaron Wilson reports:

Osweiler has organized a series of informal throwing sessions and workouts in Arizona with the Texans' skill players, including Pro Bowl wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins and other receivers and backs. The workouts are expected to take place before the start of the Texans' offseason conditioning program that launches April 18, according to sources not authorized to speak publicly.
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Wasn't Savage already working out with Jalen Strong in Arizona?

How'd that turn out? I wouldn't be surprised to find out our whole receiving corps is suspended for the first half of the season. Violating NFL drug policy.
 
Texian said:
In my review of Patriots vs Broncos game, let me preface by saying OS did a good job of managing the game. He made some early mistakes but did not lose his head or his cool. It was cold and snowy so it was less than ideal conditions. The Patriots were actually the better team that day but a 4th quarter muffed punt and 100 yds of critical penalties is what cost them the game. Brady was without Amendola and Edleman and Gronkowski was injured late in the game. The strength of the Broncos Offense this day was their running game. Broncos scored rushing TDs of 15, 19 and 48 yards.

Kubiak did a lot to help and protect Osweiller. Kubiak called a lot of passes from shotgun with deep 5 step drops and play actions to buy Osweiller a lot time. It worked and Osweiller was accurate and processed info well when given time. if there is a offensive hero it was Emanuel Sanders who was quite impressive in his abilities to get open. The Patriots helped by only rushing 4 and sometimes 5 in most given situations. Osweiller's biggest challenge will be going from a West Coast Offense and Zone Blocking system to O'Brien's offense. One reason Schaub had some success in Houston is he came from a WCO and ZBS in Atlanta to a WCO and ZBS in Houston. If Osweiller can manage the transition, the Texans QB of the future could be similar to what they had in Matt Schaub IMHO.
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Good write up. Main thing I liked about that game was the leadership a QB as young as Os is displayed when times got tough.

Os has the abilty to be much better than Schaub. He's got much better arm strength and mobility than Schaub ever had. The question is can Os learn to read defenses as well as Schaub? (That's on BOB to teach Os.) Is/Can Os be as accurate as Schaub?
 
Texian said:
In my review of Patriots vs Broncos game, let me preface by saying OS did a good job of managing the game. He made some early mistakes but did not lose his head or his cool. It was cold and snowy so it was less than ideal conditions. The Patriots were actually the better team that day but a 4th quarter muffed punt and 100 yds of critical penalties is what cost them the game. Brady was without Amendola and Edleman and Gronkowski was injured late in the game. The strength of the Broncos Offense this day was their running game. Broncos scored rushing TDs of 15, 19 and 48 yards.

Kubiak did a lot to help and protect Osweiller. Kubiak called a lot of passes from shotgun with deep 5 step drops and play actions to buy Osweiller a lot time. It worked and Osweiller was accurate and processed info well when given time. if there is a offensive hero it was Emanuel Sanders who was quite impressive in his abilities to get open. The Patriots helped by only rushing 4 and sometimes 5 in most given situations. Osweiller's biggest challenge will be going from a West Coast Offense and Zone Blocking system to O'Brien's offense. One reason Schaub had some success in Houston is he came from a WCO and ZBS in Atlanta to a WCO and ZBS in Houston. If Osweiller can manage the transition, the Texans QB of the future could be similar to what they had in Matt Schaub IMHO.
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There was a throw early in the 1st quarter, maybe 1st or 2nd drive. It was 3rd and 6 and Os made a back shoulder throw to a WR (don't recall his name) about 15 yards down the left sideline. Can you give me your take on that particular play?

It was an incompletion, but I thought it was a well thrown, well placed ball and Nuk would've made that catch, imo.
 
Texian said:
Osweiller's biggest challenge will be going from a West Coast Offense and Zone Blocking system to O'Brien's offense. One reason Schaub had some success in Houston is he came from a WCO and ZBS in Atlanta to a WCO and ZBS in Houston. If Osweiller can manage the transition, the Texans QB of the future could be similar to what they had in Matt Schaub IMHO.
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Remember though that this was Osweiler's first year in a WCO/ZBS. He spent three years in Gase/Manning's offense where the QB has to process a lot more information and control a lot more from the line.
 
Texian said:
In my review of Patriots vs Broncos game, let me preface by saying OS did a good job of managing the game. He made some early mistakes but did not lose his head or his cool. It was cold and snowy so it was less than ideal conditions. The Patriots were actually the better team that day but a 4th quarter muffed punt and 100 yds of critical penalties is what cost them the game. Brady was without Amendola and Edleman and Gronkowski was injured late in the game. The strength of the Broncos Offense this day was their running game. Broncos scored rushing TDs of 15, 19 and 48 yards.

Kubiak did a lot to help and protect Osweiller. Kubiak called a lot of passes from shotgun with deep 5 step drops and play actions to buy Osweiller a lot time. It worked and Osweiller was accurate and processed info well when given time. if there is a offensive hero it was Emanuel Sanders who was quite impressive in his abilities to get open. The Patriots helped by only rushing 4 and sometimes 5 in most given situations. Osweiller's biggest challenge will be going from a West Coast Offense and Zone Blocking system to O'Brien's offense. One reason Schaub had some success in Houston is he came from a WCO and ZBS in Atlanta to a WCO and ZBS in Houston. If Osweiller can manage the transition, the Texans QB of the future could be similar to what they had in Matt Schaub IMHO.
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O'Brien is running his version of the NE Erhardt-Perkins system. This gives the QB a lot of control at the LOS, but it takes a really smart QB to completely understand and control it under pressure. More than anything else, I think Brock's ability to master this type of offense will be the key to his long-term success in Houston. Not many QBs can do it, which is why we so so many variants of the WCO and Coryell system in the NFL. But, if Brock can truly command it, this offense could be something special with his raw physical talent and apparent ability to perform in clutch situations. The mental aspect is what I'm really looking forward to analyzing in Brock's game this season.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't trust O'b. Plain & simple. He'll find some way to get Hoyer on the field. I know, you're saying after the money we're spending on Osweiler, there's no way.

But I don't trust him. We'll be hearing about Osweiler's broken clock, or how well Hoyer is doing in closed practices & how damn proud we out to be to have Hoyer on the team.

He needs to be gone. Accept what Godsey already has, those that can't teach.
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What he said.
I don't trust O'Brien not to give his boy (Hoyer) one more chance to start. And injuries to the other QBs might not have to happen for him to do so.
 
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ObsiWan said:
What he said.
I don't trust O'Brien not to give his boy (Hoyer) on more chance to start. And injuries to the other QBs might not have to happen for him to do so.
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I can see where you guys are coming from, but I don't think Ob tries that unless he wants to get fired. McNair just gave him
37 million reasons not to.
 
ObsiWan said:
What he said.
I don't trust O'Brien not to give his boy (Hoyer) one more chance to start. And injuries to the other QBs might not have to happen for him to do so.
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I hate you so much!
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