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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

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Dread-Head said:
Midway through the season he started f-ing up. It seemd the more game film DCs had of him to study the worse he was beaten. I'm not saying he's not a good acquistion, I'm just saying I'm somewhat wary and think they might have over paid him. Think about it, they elected to SIT him and ride Manning into the post season. What does that say about him? Was Manning that stellar, or were they afraid he was going to f-up the defense's brilliant work?
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It's FA. You always overpay.

Well, except when you land a stud like Lamar Miller for $6M/yr... but other than that, we ganked the starting QB (more or less) from the Super Bowl Champs. You're damn right we overpaid.
 
Sampson said:
That's not entirely true. He had 1 bad half against Pittsburgh (after putting up 27 points in the first half), but otherwise he did very well under the circumstances. Against Cincinnati, Denver was down 14-3 at the half and he brought them back. Then there's the infamous benching game SD. He had 2 Int's that were off the hands of his receivers in scoring position, and Sander fumbled another in the redzone....even then they were winning when CJ Anderson fumbled on the first possession of the 2nd half. We had close to 300 yards of offense in the first half that day, and they Benched Brock for his teammates turning the ball over/dropping passes, the explanation given....leadership.

Brock actually improved every game he played, when you go back and watch them.
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Thanks for the perspective coming from the other side of the glass. I have been pretty disconnected from football in general for well over a year (3 kids back to back to back will do that to a guy) and have barely been able to watch our games much less another team. Welcome to the board. Posts like the ones you are making are always welcome and I mean that in the sense of your logical approach. Always easier to read something like this even with the possibility of disagreeing with the content.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
But I hope he's up to 250 by training camp. He was pushing 235 (at Wisconsin pro day a few days ago).
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I honestly don't know the answer, so don't take this the wrong way but isn't putting on 15 pounds of muscle in a few months a little unrealistic? I'm sure we just don't want him putting the weight on by supersizing his McDonald's value meals?
 
Sampson said:
That's not entirely true. He had 1 bad half against Pittsburgh (after putting up 27 points in the first half), but otherwise he did very well under the circumstances. Against Cincinnati, Denver was down 14-3 at the half and he brought them back. Then there's the infamous benching game SD. He had 2 Int's that were off the hands of his receivers in scoring position, and Sander fumbled another in the redzone....even then they were winning when CJ Anderson fumbled on the first possession of the 2nd half. We had close to 300 yards of offense in the first half that day, and they Benched Brock for his teammates turning the ball over/dropping passes, the explanation given....leadership.

Brock actually improved every game he played, when you go back and watch them.
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I like you. You can stay.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Thanks for the perspective coming from the other side of the glass. I have been pretty disconnected from football in general for well over a year (3 kids back to back to back will do that to a guy) and have barely been able to watch our games much less another team. Welcome to the board. Posts like the ones you are making are always welcome and I mean that in the sense of your logical approach. Always easier to read something like this even with the possibility of disagreeing with the content.
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Oh some will disagree. It's not like Bronco fans were universal on Brock, and I certainly was on the more positive side with him. We had a tough year offensively, but RYAN HARRIS was our starting left tackle....think about that. He's is still inexperienced too, he got zero snaps behind Manning. That said, comeback wins against the PAtriots and Bengals in primetime aren't anything to sneeze at. How many QB's get that done in their first 6 games? The moments weren't too big for him, and that often is what separates these guys.

Side note: I'm a big Jaelen Strong fan too, so I may be paying a lot of attention to you guys this season.
 
justtxyank said:
The idea that the Broncos/Elway didn't want him or didn't want to pony up to keep him needs to go away.

They got to $16 million in the bidding before it became obvious that Osweiler was leaving them and they didn't go up from there. It's easy to say they wouldn't have gone to 17 or 18, but the fact that they were at 16 and then got butthurt with stories coming out about Osweiler not wanting to be there at all no matter what makes me believe that the Broncos realized during negotiations that they were being used to drive up the Texans price.

Also, a team that didn't really want you to stay doesn't get as salty as the Broncos/Elway have gotten. From Elway's press release, to the media narratives being driven HARD by pro Elway reporters to the team website trashing the QB play they got last year right after Osweiler signed (story was taken down), etc. it is pretty obvious that the Broncos believed in Osweiler and wanted him to stay. They are EXTREMELY upset that he departed. Their saltiness is on par with Astros fans when Beltran left for the Mets.

Last thing, I posted a recap on another board, but the Broncos sideline reporter (similar to John Harris) was on the radio yesterday morning here and was pretty clear; there was tension between Osweiler and Kubiak and the rumors were there already at the end of last season. They all knew it but thought the superbowl would smooth it over. Players loved Osweiler and his benching was a serious shock within the organization.
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Awesome post. Hopefully at some point, people will either wake up to reality or just stop posting. Everything you said is right on the money. Denver obviously wanted Brock; we wanted him as much and were willing to pay more.

speedfreek said:
I piss on no one's parade. Believe me. I want the team to win as well. You wanna pump sunshine
my friend? I'll help you work the handle..
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Lol. Well thanks for not pissing on my parade! :)

But trust me if there is anyone that is not a Texans sunshine pumper, it's me. I'm SO HAPPY to finally be back in here talking football again, as I haven't wanted to talk Texans for years now. Since the disaster that was the 2013 season, I have hardly even watched the team. The one chance they had to win me back was the 2014 draft. Yes, I was a vocal Manziel supporter (to my shame), but my posts on the subject will also show I would have been just fine with Bortles or Bridgewater as well. Hell, even Garoppolo would have been good with me. The only one I didn't want was Carr, but I'd have gladly supported him if the Texans had drafted him.

Instead, we did nothing. We trotted out JAGs at the position, and QB is WAY too important a position to do that. So I finally quit caring. But 3-9-2016 changed all of that. It's a day I will remember for a while. The Texans finally swung for the fences. Starting in 2011 when Schaub went down with injury, we should have been looking for a QB to groom for the future. It took 5 years, but we MIGHT finally have that guy.

This has nothing to do with being a big Brock fan or a sunshine pumper. I rip on the Texans as much as anyone. What this is about is a fair deal given to a QB with some serious potential. He might not pan out, but we have 2 years to find out. He's got weapons to work with, a decent offensive line to protect him, and a very good and possibly great defense to make his job easier. There truly is no reason for any Texans fan to not be happy about this. None.

Football season can't get here soon enough.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Maybe a summary? Small description?
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John McClain breaks down how we went from 30-0 to targeting & acquiring Brock Osweiler. One of the interesting things is that he says O'b identified Brock as the best available via free agency. I've been trying to start rumors that McNair & Rick neutered O'b in the QB picking department. This flies in the face of that.

He was very involved. O'b wanted Brock & thinks he's special.
 
osweiler's text to akeem hunt. Sounds like he's ready to get to work.
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Mollywhopper said:
What's so stupid about the contract though? It's only a two year deal with a dirt cheap out at a rate that is completely affordable right now, for a guy who was taken by a respected GM on 2nd round talent who's showed promise in actual NFL games that mattered for a contending team. In the mean time we keep all of our most valuable resources to continue the build, and even have money to still spend in free agency.

If you'd still rather not do all of that for ... Paxton Lynch in the first, after actually watching Lynch play, well ok. I'll certainly agree to disagree then.
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18,000,000% agree with this!
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justtxyank said:
I'm reading a lot of negative reports on Osweiler from places like football outsiders, PFF, etc. Question: where was all this negativity when everyone assumed he was re-signing in Denver?

I'm not a big Osweiler fan, but it seems like as soon as he decided to come to Houston the perception of him changed from a potentially very good quarterback to Matt Flynn.
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I'm blaming the negative media on the size of the contract.
 
Brisco_County said:
Denver's grapes continue to sour.

From the Broncos official website, linked from Twitter:

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So you say goodbye to two QB's - one a slam dunk first ballot HoF'er, and the other a young QB moving on to take on the starter role for a team you'll likely play every other season or so (plus any playoff match ups that may happen), and you decide to publicly refer to the play of those two QB's as sub-optimal and near replacement- level?

Stay Classy Denver!
 
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Uncle Rico said:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-brock-osweiler
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A lot of anger and venom in that write-up. Sounded more like a jilted fan than a calm and objective review. He says the sample size is too small to confirm anything good, but then turns around and uses that same sample size to try to prove uncorrectable mistakes and tendencies. And then he name-calls Bill O'brien. The guy could be completely right, but that's a fan talking there. You have to wonder how different his write-up would have been if Osweiler had stayed with the Broncos.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
A lot of anger and venom in that write-up. Sounded more like a jilted fan than a calm and objective review. He says the sample size is too small to confirm anything good, but then turns around and uses that same sample size to try to prove uncorrectable mistakes and tendencies. And then he name-calls Bill O'brien. The guy could be completely right, but that's a fan talking there. You have to wonder how different his write-up would have been if Osweiler had stayed with the Broncos.
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It also only breaks down Brock's worst film. Not hard to write a scathing breakdown of a player if you only study their worst plays. You can still see how he was running for his life every passing down though.
 
This finally begins to make up for the Texans HUGE f*** up not drafting a QB in 2012. If memory serves me correct, Schaub had just come off his Lisfranc injury, would have a productive 2012 season, and then became the pick 6 machine we know and love today.

The 2012 draft saw Andrew Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Osweiler, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Kirk Cousins all get drafted. Other than Brandon Weeden, we could have drafted pretty much any of those guys and had success but for some inexplicable reason, we didn't. Instead of Wilson, Foles, or Cousins, we went with Devier Posey and Brandon Brooks. We could have likely traded up into the bottom of the second to get Osweiler as well but didn't.

Well guys, we finally rectified that mistake. It took us 4 years to do it, but we finally got the 2012 QB we should have drafted.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
A lot of anger and venom in that write-up. Sounded more like a jilted fan than a calm and objective review. He says the sample size is too small to confirm anything good, but then turns around and uses that same sample size to try to prove uncorrectable mistakes and tendencies. And then he name-calls Bill O'brien. The guy could be completely right, but that's a fan talking there. You have to wonder how different his write-up would have been if Osweiler had stayed with the Broncos.
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Sampson said:
It also only breaks down Brock's worst film. Not hard to write a scathing breakdown of a player if you only study their worst plays. You can still see how he was running for his life every passing down though.
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Yeah and I found the line about Jameis Winston's "exceptional intelligence and decision-making" especially entertaining. This dude's a blowhard.

I was surprised in this same part of the article that he seems to diss Osweiler's arm strength. Arm strength is one of the more subjective attributes of any QB. It is REALLY hard to tell the difference in velocity from one QB to another, unless we're talking about the last 2-3 years of Peyton Manning. Everything I have seen tells me the dude has a very nice arm and can make every throw. Sure, maybe he doesn't have the velocity of Derek Carr but in all the footage I looked at, he has a lot of zip on his throws and has a nice deep ball.
 
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And to add to this, maybe one of the reasons so few of Brocks interceptable passes are actually intercepted is BECAUSE of the velocity he has on the ball. I have yet to see a weak armed throw by the guy.
 
DocBar said:
I see this as much less risky than trading up in the draft or hoping a top prospect falls like Rodgers did or hoping to find a diamond in the rough in the middle rounds. The Texans already have that guy.
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There's no way in hell any GM would sacrifice the draft for the next 3 years on Goff or Wentz. (except maybe Kevin Costner on Draft Day) As far as hoping someone falls, that's like standing there in the batter's box hoping the pitcher hangs a slider. Same goes for hoping for a diamond in the rough.

Osweiler was not only the best move. It was the only move.
 
ChampionTexan said:
So you say goodbye to two QB's - one a slam dunk first ballot HoF'er, and the other a young QB moving on to take on the starter role for a team you'll likely play every other season or so (plus any playoff match ups that may happen), and you decide to publicly refer to the play of those two QB's as sub-optimal and near replacement- level?

Stay Classy Denver!
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That article doesn't mention all of the other key losses, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Typical Denver drivel to entertain the masses for a few laughs and giggles. They lose six starters, maybe seven at last count (if C.J. Anderson's offer sheet with Miami isn't matched), from that Super Bowl 50 winning team but they act like they're still the team to beat and a guaranteed dynasty in the making. Winning Super Bowls is easy, right?

And they have Super Bowl 50 MVP, Von Miller, slapped to a franchise tag like they don't have the cap space to give him a major deal. I'm sure Von Miller would like to receive his big multi-year payday already.

Especially when guys like Olivier Vernon, are making major bank this off-season. He's now the second highest-paid defensive player in the game (after Ndamukong Suh) and he's just a very good player, I wouldn't call him elite by any means - 3.5, 11.5, 6.5 and 7.5 sacks during his four seasons as a pro - eh, that's pretty good but a little yawnish to me (he's no J.J. Watt obviously but he's now being paid more than Watt)..

J.J. Watt and Von Miller should be the two highest-paid defensive players in the league based on actual talent and domination on the field. Watt is barely in the top five highest-paid defensive players (Justin Houston is third) and Von Miller is on a one year deal, franchise tag.

What am I missing here? Best players should make the most money right? If I were Von Miller's agent I'd be pissed off and ready to break the bank. LOL. Denver better pony up and stop hiding behind the franchise tag.

Also no mention of Wade Phillips' coaching track record. He has the #1 ranked defense, or top five and near the top, everywhere he's been the D-coordinator during that first year. After that it all goes downhill. But I'm sure all is good in Denver. They can win the Super Bowl again next year with any quarterback.
 
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justtxyank said:
Does anyone have a scouting report/film review of him that is positive? I'd like to read someone breaking him down that thinks he's going to be at least very good. All the ones I've seen posted so far (primarily on another board) are pretty negative.
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I think this is pretty interesting. a little old obviously but Os seems smart and willing to learn.

 
can a mod remove the maybe? from the thread title? Brock maybe just a bit of a weird name
 
Just watched the week 17 game against SD. Os played as well as any QB in Texans history has played. He had one missed blitz that resulted in a fumble. Other than that, I liked what I saw. IMO, Kubiak yanked Os because he panicked. Kubiak is just fortunate that the move worked out. The NFL should really find a way to rate QB's by putting INT blame on the right player.
 
DocBar said:
Just watched the week 17 game against SD. Os played as well as any QB in Texans history has played. He had one missed blitz that resulted in a fumble. Other than that, I liked what I saw. IMO, Kubiak yanked Os because he panicked. Kubiak is just fortunate that the move worked out. The NFL should really find a way to rate QB's by putting INT blame on the right player.
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Also heard that Manning had been in Kubiak's ear lobbying hard to get in the game
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Thank you for saying that. The thread title just annoys me for some reason. But I've been able to cope with it so far. It's hard, but I'm dealing...Ya know? lol

Thread title reminds me of this:

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I like the song but at least show the Miami Dolphins Cheerleaders version. At least then it's somewhat football related. Even though Carly Rae Jepsen is talented. I hope the Texans invite her for a halftime show in 2016.
 
The thing is, he has some wins where he played well against some quality teams...I'm trying to stay grounded, but I'm really liking how he looks on film....


The guy is making big boy NFL plays.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The thing is, he has some wins where he played well against some quality teams...I'm trying to stay grounded, but I'm really liking how he looks on film....


The guy is making big boy NFL plays.
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The key is he's not pissing himself because of pressure like Hoyer did all last year.
 
Brock Osweiler is a superhero! :goodpost:


Is there room for two superheroes on the Texans?
We already have Juggernaut, err, I mean Juggerwatt!

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At first I thought this was a horrible deal for the Texans.

On further review it's not so bad considering the options. But damn that's a lotta jack for a 7 game vet.
 
RaiderDave said:
At first I thought this was a horrible deal for the Texans.

On further review it's not so bad considering the options. But damn that's a lotta jack for a 7 game vet.
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It's not just the 7 games. You know how in discussing draft prospect QBs folks say all the time 'he could use 1-2 years on the bench?' Well you are getting the draft pick used, the roster spot, the salary, experience etc. on top of the 7 games. Sometimes that helps - Rodgers. Sometimes it doesn't - Mallett.
 
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