Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

[WolverineFan]

I don't know why exactly Brock didn't like the offense but it shouldn't really be a surprise. It was pretty well known during the season that Manning and Kubiak were having disagreements about the offense and that Manning was very unhappy with it. Considering Fox/Gase gave him more freedom the previous 3 years I would assume Brock didn't like it for similar reasons.

 

[infantrycak]

I remember reading that in the Chris Myers interview. But I think the difference here is that the adjustment at the line is built in and conveyed by a simple QB signal, but it doesn't make adjustments like a traditional audible. I interpreted the article to mean that he was calling a traditional audible.

Line calls in Kubiak's system were made by the C. Under OB the QB does both although as I understand it the whole thing is a package deal and the QB calls a new "concept" and everyone is supposed to understand their reads for the change.

 

[Brisco_County]

I don't know why exactly Brock didn't like the offense but it shouldn't really be a surprise. It was pretty well known during the season that Manning and Kubiak were having disagreements about the offense and that Manning was very unhappy with it. Considering Fox/Gase gave him more freedom the previous 3 years I would assume Brock didn't like it for similar reasons.

In my opinion, Osweiler's dislike for the system should be a bigger part of the conversation about his departure than his benching.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

The audibles in the offense kubiak ran here were more of "switch to's". If the defense shows this look then 'switch to this'.

It's not as subjective and it's more specific.

It's based almost solely on defensive alignments whereas in other systems some guys are given more freedom to audible to something because they think they saw the safety look like he was going to blitz or drop into a zone.

Pluses and minuses to both. I think kubiak's offense as he wants to run it can make some QB's look better than what they are. And I think for some guys it could hold them back some, especially in certain situations.

There's pluses and minuses to both....giving the qb access to freely change plays, and somewhat restricting it.

It really just depends on the qb and which style they perform best with.

 

[sandman]

Pardon the mixed metaphor. More like you're standing in front of a closed garage. There's a car inside for sure. Could be anything from a Yugo to a Bugatti, but it's pedigree is good.

So Brock is Schroedinger's Cat.

 

[klockWork]

I read some posts from the Broncos board that an incident occurred during their final regular season against SD. Right before Os was bench he was furious with his RT Schofield wiffing blocks all day getting him killed and then pleaded with Kubes for a replacement tackle. Kubes refused his demand and told him to suck it up. Then when the benching happened Peyton demanded the same thing and Schofield find himself standing next to Os the rest of the game.

If it happened like that then Kubiak never like the kid and that's why Elway didn't put anymore chips on the table for Os.

 

[infantrycak]

If it happened like that then Kubiak never like the kid and that's why Elway didn't put anymore chips on the table for Os.

How do you get from a disagreement in the last game to never liked? That's an epic stretch.

It doesn't even make sense. Elway knows Kubiak doesn't like the kid but says screw you I'm putting $16 mil per on the table. Then the kid says $18 and Elway goes awe hell no Kubiak never liked you.

With how close they are and the recently hoisted Lombardi I bet Elway and Kubiak are in virtual lockstep. If Kubiak didn't like Oz there never would have been a significant offer to begin with.

I'll go one step further - this system stuff is just pablum. If Oz had real objections to Kubiak or the system he never would have gone back to the Broncos to up their offer.

 

[Showtime100]

How do you get from a disagreement in the last game to never liked? That's an epic stretch.

Right. All scenarios show (IMO) that Elway and/or Kubiak liked Osweiler. It seems to me they really wanted him so they wouldn't have to deal with the unthinkable......Kaepernick or Fitz.

The Texans knew they little to spend and pounced. (I can't believe it either).

 

[Bulls on Parade]

The fun question begins. Any chance the Jets won't be able to re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick? If that happens, it was reported on the NFL Network that they may have interest in trading for Brian Hoyer.

I'd be happy with a seventh-round pick for Hoyer. Perhaps a sixth-round pick based on performance. It would be two years in a row the Jets traded for our starting quarterback from the year before. LOL

Fitzy wants to be paid big boy money.
The Jets are offering him backup QB money.

The last offer the Jets made to Ryan Fitzpatrick was only slightly more than what the Eagles paid to Chase Daniel, just to be their backup behind Sam Bradford (who got paid some serious bank himself).

I kind of feel bad for Ryan Fitzpatrick. Hell of a year he had in 2015 with the Jets. Broke some of their franchise records (including most TD passes), and he was big time for most of last season. Fantasy sleeper for me. But when the games mattered the most late in the year he fell apart. The Jets missed the playoffs and Ryan Fitzpatrick has never been to the playoffs before.

Fitzy is a hard sell to me. He's more than doable. Just can't win big games. I have no clue what will happen to him. A 5th team in as many years? Jeez. For his sake he better re-sign with the Jets. He seems like a good fit for them.

If the Jets land Brian Hoyer, yikes. Geno Smith may be good enough to beat him out for the starting job.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Right. All scenarios show (IMO) that Elway and/or Kubiak liked Osweiler. It seems to me they really wanted him so they wouldn't have to deal with the unthinkable......Kaepernick or Fitz.

The Texans knew they little to spend and pounced. (I can't believe it either).

Honestly, I could see Ryan Fitzpatrick having some success with the Denver Broncos. He's good enough to run that system quite efficiently while limiting his turnovers.

He'd be wise to sign there if there's mutual interest. It's his only good option other than re-signing with the Jets. Maybe he can finally make the playoffs for the first time in his career if he signs with Denver. The Jets always find a way to implode and miss the playoffs. They are like a glorified version of the Browns right now.

The Broncos will probably trade for Colin Keapernick as oppose to signing RG3 or Fitzy, but any of the three could work for them. The problem is they have no more running game and they lost a lot of good defensive players. Their D-Line and Linebacker depth looks thinner than what it did before. They lost, at last count, six starters from their Super Bowl 50 team. Soon to be seven.

As a Texans fan, I'm pulling for the Broncos to sign Ryan Fitzpatrick. So that the Jets will proceed with trading a late draft pick to us for Brian Hoyer. As the NFL Network reported late last night.

 

[GoCoogs]

Pardon the mixed metaphor. More like you're standing in front of a closed garage. There's a car inside for sure. Could be anything from a Yugo to a Bugatti, but it's pedigree is good.

And you are in a sellers market where somebody else just paid the same amount for a Honda Accord that's been in a couple of wrecks.

 

[PapaL]

It's kind of funny to me how talking heads and various fans are complaining about how much we paid for Brock all the while RG3 made $16M being the inactive QB3 last year. All while having zero chance to actually play QB and occasionally playing scout team Safety (if memory serves me right).

Random thought: if Hackenburg falls in the draft, which many forecast, do we take him late and let him sit. Wouldn't be the worst thing ever.

 

[thunderkyss]

Hey, like I said in my first post, I like the guy. I like taking a chance on a guy that has been developed. I really, really like the way he handled himself and the media in that situation with Manning. But $72M for what he's shown is crazy. That's the market, though. So I'll just cheer him on and be happy about it. I was rooting for the move before it was $72M, so I'm not downplaying the move now. I am just thinking of the risk, I guess.

Oh well, Go Texans!

I hear what you're saying, but I don't think about the $72M. That's funny money & don't mean anything right now. It's a $12M cap hit & the expectations that come with it. We expect to win in 2016 right?

If we hadn't spent the money on Brock, we'd have invested several draft picks on a top QB & there'd be little expectations of winning. We'd be "ok" with letting the young fella "figure it out."

Next year, 2017 season, it's a $19M cap hit. We won't be able to sign that over the hill RB with an injury history, but we'll have our 1st round pick (hopefully it's a high 27+ pick).

 

[FuzzyLogic]

They got lucky by drafting Miller? No, they did their homework and picked the best pass rusher who was an all out beast. It wasn't rocket science.

So Elway picked Miller, possibly the second best defender in the NFL and it was skill and homework and a great GM. The Texans and Rick Smith have the best defender in the NFL so that makes Rick Smith what? Oh yeah, a lucky chump.

I'm not a Rick Smith fan but - come on man.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Where does Texans' Brock Osweiler rank on QB pay scale?

 

[justtxyank]

The idea that the Broncos/Elway didn't want him or didn't want to pony up to keep him needs to go away.

They got to $16 million in the bidding before it became obvious that Osweiler was leaving them and they didn't go up from there. It's easy to say they wouldn't have gone to 17 or 18, but the fact that they were at 16 and then got butthurt with stories coming out about Osweiler not wanting to be there at all no matter what makes me believe that the Broncos realized during negotiations that they were being used to drive up the Texans price.

Also, a team that didn't really want you to stay doesn't get as salty as the Broncos/Elway have gotten. From Elway's press release, to the media narratives being driven HARD by pro Elway reporters to the team website trashing the QB play they got last year right after Osweiler signed (story was taken down), etc. it is pretty obvious that the Broncos believed in Osweiler and wanted him to stay. They are EXTREMELY upset that he departed. Their saltiness is on par with Astros fans when Beltran left for the Mets.

Last thing, I posted a recap on another board, but the Broncos sideline reporter (similar to John Harris) was on the radio yesterday morning here and was pretty clear; there was tension between Osweiler and Kubiak and the rumors were there already at the end of last season. They all knew it but thought the superbowl would smooth it over. Players loved Osweiler and his benching was a serious shock within the organization.

 

[BullNation4Life]

So Brock is Schroedinger's Cat.

 

[thunderkyss]

They did counter - went from $15 to $16 per. The Broncos wouldn't match. They expected a hometown discount and frankly Elway looked a little crappy with his comment.

There also added a 4th year. Chances are the guaranteed money changed as well.

 

[thunderkyss]

If it happened like that then Kubiak never like the kid and that's why Elway didn't put anymore chips on the table for Os.

How do you get from a disagreement in the last game to never liked? That's an epic stretch.

It doesn't even make sense.

& it doesn't matter. None of us trust Kubiak's talent evaluation. Most agree if you give him the tools, he'll get the most out of the guy. Here, Elway picked Osweiler. Most would argue he's been a better talent evaluator than Rick Smith. Elway offered our QB a 4 year $64M deal to play for his team & the guy chose us.

Kubiak's likes or dislikes has no bearing on our QB.

 

[speedfreek]

Regardless if it's a draft pick or cash against the cap getting a QB (or any player for that matter) costs a resource. This is a resource we could spare atm.

And I never said he was a seasoned guy like anyone, don't know why you thought it would be cute to make that argument. But those 28 quarters, and the years he's worked out in a realistic pro style offense are more than Lynch has probably played in Madden in his whole life, and clearly more than what he's actually stepped on a field and worked on or executed. No clue he can chew gum and call an NFL play at the same time as of right now.

But ya, you go ahead and use a valuable 1st round resource that impacts our ability to improve in some area on that guy versus a guy who's contributed to NFL wins already. Okey doke.

Frankly it's all a gamble and no one knows what will happen until it happens.
My personal opinion is that Os is "just another guy", and I also believe that
BoB is absolutely clueless when it comes to evaluating QB talent.

Having watched Lynch play, I would definitely take him on a rookie contract
over Os on a stupid contract -- given the option. But that's just me.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[speedfreek]

So now we use a high draft pick (or more than 1) on a QB leaving whatever holes we would have filled thru the draft to be filled thru free agency. And maybe get a lesser quality QB, certainly one less ready to start game 1.

I don't think you are thinking this all the way thru.

This is not a super bowl contender this year with or without Os. So it doesn't really matter to me who
is ready to start game one.

Also, it's been obvious we do not draft well in rounds 2-3, so what does it matter in the grand scheme
of things if we lose those picks? (then again, our recent free agent signings have been pretty subpar as well)

Second of all, I don't see anything in 7 starts that speaks to Os being a high quality QB.
We've taken a _titanic_ $37mil. gamble on a guy. I would have preferred taking that gamble
with a much smaller financial burden.

To me it's a risk management problem, and it feels like BoB and Rick are taking more risks this
year because their seats are starting to get warm -- BoB more than Rick.

But hey, Os could turn out to be Brady for all I know -- I'm in wait and see mode.

If he does flame out though, I'm going to throw in with the pink soap guys calling for BoB's head.

 

[speedfreek]

I get that but it's now the going rate for a decent QB. Hell, Sam Bradford got as much.

Also, the Texans found themselves in great cap position, especially with the increase cap. There was no reason not to take the risk. None.

As for shoring up the line, they are already on their way to doing that with the two signings. They also will probably draft a lineman. And as cak mentioned earlier, it's ridiculous to separate return man into their own category. That speed receiver could be the guy. The draft hasn't even happened and you already know what all our needs are? And was QB not a HUGE need?

But hey if you guys want to constantly be depressed about this team and play couch GM like you had a better plan, then more power to you. But no way I'm letting you piss on my parade.

I piss on no one's parade. Believe me. I want the team to win as well. You wanna pump sunshine
my friend? I'll help you work the handle..

 

[Scooter]

Do we have any actual numbers for what Denver offered? I don't see this 16mil being accurate. The initially reported deal was to be 3 for 45mil. That was supposed to be heavily performance based, meaning he'd need to tick off several milestones each season to see the top end of it as a 'prove it' contract. I've also read that the real offer was no where near that reported amount.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Frankly it's all a gamble and no one knows what will happen until it happens.
My personal opinion is that Os is "just another guy", and I also believe that
BoB is absolutely clueless when it comes to evaluating QB talent.

Having watched Lynch play, I would definitely take him on a rookie contract
over Os on a stupid contract -- given the option. But that's just me.

We'll just have to wait and see.

What's so stupid about the contract though? It's only a two year deal with a dirt cheap out at a rate that is completely affordable right now, for a guy who was taken by a respected GM on 2nd round talent who's showed promise in actual NFL games that mattered for a contending team. In the mean time we keep all of our most valuable resources to continue the build, and even have money to still spend in free agency.

If you'd still rather not do all of that for ... Paxton Lynch in the first, after actually watching Lynch play, well ok. I'll certainly agree to disagree then.

 

[steelbtexan]

Frankly it's all a gamble and no one knows what will happen until it happens.
My personal opinion is that Os is "just another guy", and I also believe that
BoB is absolutely clueless when it comes to evaluating QB talent.

Having watched Lynch play, I would definitely take him on a rookie contract
over Os on a stupid contract -- given the option. But that's just me.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Then I guess McNair should just go ahead and fire BOB since that's his area of expertise?

I'm excited about the BO signing. He's got the talent and look at what BOB got out of scrubs like Fitz/Hoyer. Good time to be a Texans fan.

 

[steelbtexan]

Do we have any actual numbers for what Denver offered? I don't see this 16mil being accurate. The initially reported deal was to be 3 for 45mil. That was supposed to be heavily performance based, meaning he'd need to tick off several milestones each season to see the top end of it as a 'prove it' contract. I've also read that the real offer was no where near that reported amount.

Which explains why BO is a HOUSTON TEXAN.

 

[thunderkyss]

Second of all, I don't see anything in 7 starts that speaks to Os being a high quality QB.

Two things I worry about when bringing a rookie QB into the league... especially someone from a conference as weak as the AAC, or Conf USA.

#1, can he learn an NFL play book. I believe there's plenty of evidence in those seven weeks that show Os can. Not only did he pick up an NFL playbook, but he picked that one up in less than a year.

#2, can he adjust to the speed of the game. Again, especially coming out of the AAC or lower. & again, Os has demonstrated the game is not too fast for him. We know that.

A third thing I question if that QB, from whatever conference, will be able to play at a high level, can he make a difference. This is a bit more subjective. You can look at Hoyer's superior stats from last season & say Osweiler fell short in this category. But when you watch the games, you see Hoyer's performance lead to a 4-5 record as a starter, & he fell short especially against better defenses. Where Osweiler went 5-2 & looked like a pro against better defenses.

 

[sandman]

Do we have any actual numbers for what Denver offered? I don't see this 16mil being accurate. The initially reported deal was to be 3 for 45mil. That was supposed to be heavily performance based, meaning he'd need to tick off several milestones each season to see the top end of it as a 'prove it' contract. I've also read that the real offer was no where near that reported amount.

To quote Hillary: Why does it matter?

The Texans signed him. He is making in the same range as Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Bradford, Smith, Palmer and Dalton. None of these guys are going to be confused with a Top 5 QB. None of these guys are getting paid like a Top 5 QB. The only good QB's making less than this are guys still on their rookie contracts and when they come off in a year or two they will be paid far more than Brock. This is the going price for QB's these days.

 

[thunderkyss]

Do we have any actual numbers for what Denver offered? I don't see this 16mil being accurate. The initially reported deal was to be 3 for 45mil. That was supposed to be heavily performance based, meaning he'd need to tick off several milestones each season to see the top end of it as a 'prove it' contract. I've also read that the real offer was no where near that reported amount.

You're never going to find real proof on any unsigned contract. We'll get what's being reported & what's being refuted in the media. There are several reports out in the media about this & if you look, you'll see them. I haven't seen anything to refute 4 years $16M.

The original offer was an incentive driven 3 year $39M deal that could pay out as much as $45M. We made an offer. Denver made an offer. Eventually we got to 4 years $72M, the Broncos came back saying the best they'll do is 4 years $64M.

 

[ChampionTexan]

To quote Hillary: Why does it matter?

The Texans signed him. He is making in the same range as Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Bradford, Smith, Palmer and Dalton. None of these guys are going to be confused with a Top 5 QB. None of these guys are getting paid like a Top 5 QB. The only good QB's making less than this are guys still on their rookie contracts and when they come off in a year or two they will be paid far more than Brock. This is the going price for QB's these days.

At this point, the money's spent, the Texans can still add some selected free agents, and all their draft selections, so I think we should just move on from that. Osweiler will either prove himself or he won't. He's essentially got two years to do it, and if he does, whatever he was paid will be considered a bargain. If he doesn't, he could have been playing for $5 Million a season, and he'd still be considered a bust. It's about performance, not pay.

 

[justtxyank]

I'm reading a lot of negative reports on Osweiler from places like football outsiders, PFF, etc. Question: where was all this negativity when everyone assumed he was re-signing in Denver?

I'm not a big Osweiler fan, but it seems like as soon as he decided to come to Houston the perception of him changed from a potentially very good quarterback to Matt Flynn.

 

[santo]

I'm reading a lot of negative reports on Osweiler from places like football outsiders, PFF, etc. Question: where was all this negativity when everyone assumed he was re-signing in Denver?

I'm not a big Osweiler fan, but it seems like as soon as he decided to come to Houston the perception of him changed from a potentially very good quarterback to Matt Flynn.

That's because it's Houston. If it was somewhere else where they respect teams, then it would be the biggest deal this year.

I honestly don't care about what the media outside of Houston thinks, as long as Os turns out to be best qb Houston has ever seen.

 

[sandman]

At this point, the money's spent, the Texans can still add some selected free agents, and all their draft selections, so I think we should just move on from that. Osweiler will either prove himself or he won't. He's essentially got two years to do it, and if he does, whatever he was paid will be considered a bargain. If he doesn't, he could have been playing for $5 Million a season, and he'd still be considered a bust. It's about performance, not pay.

If he doesn't work out, it is two years down the road that you kicked the can. Same would be true of a rookie. Or Savage. I'm not sure why some are so hung up on the dollar amount.

 

[otisbean]

Do we have any actual numbers for what Denver offered? I don't see this 16mil being accurate. The initially reported deal was to be 3 for 45mil. That was supposed to be heavily performance based, meaning he'd need to tick off several milestones each season to see the top end of it as a 'prove it' contract. I've also read that the real offer was no where near that reported amount.

http://kdvr.com/2016/03/09/report-brock-osweiler-leaving-broncos-for-texas/

 

[infantrycak]

Do we have any actual numbers for what Denver offered? I don't see this 16mil being accurate. The initially reported deal was to be 3 for 45mil. That was supposed to be heavily performance based, meaning he'd need to tick off several milestones each season to see the top end of it as a 'prove it' contract. I've also read that the real offer was no where near that reported amount.

None of these outlier reports makes sense.

Think about it for a second. If Denver's 1st offer was no where near the 3 for 45 (what is no where near, 10, 12?) (a) why would the Texans bid $18? and (b) why wouldn't Oz immediately sign the Houston offer?

There is no answer to (a). You aren't going to throw away 6-8 mil per more than necessary.

Also makes no sense for Oz who clearly has not been valued in the same ball park by Denver to not go 'wow, give me the pen' - unless he really wanted to play in Denver.

In fact the going back to Denver at all makes no sense if he wanted out. There couldn't have been any expectation whatsoever the Broncos would outbid the Texans' offer.

What makes sense is the Broncos said 15, Texans said 18, Oz with no beef against the Broncos said how about matching and they said best we can do is 16 (expecting a hometown discount)...Oz then spun a system rationale for leaving his heir apparency.

 

[DX-TEX]

This is becoming a thing here in houston

 

[WolverineFan]

At the Combine the Broncos offered him 3 yr / $39M deal ($13M per year) with incentives to go up to $45M total. He apparently had no intention of re-signing with Denver so he sat on the offer and took it to Houston once the legal tampering period opened. Houston made him an unknown offer. It was then reported that Houston was a contender but unlikely to pull him away from Denver. The Broncos had no cap space and cut a few players and restructured others to get up to $16.6M in cap space, presumably to sign Osweiler seeing as they ignored all their other FA's.

Fast forward to the official opening of FA and the Broncos re-enter negotiations and up their offer to 4 yrs / $64M, as reported by a Broncos beat guy. Schefter said they offered $16.5M per year so they basically offered their entire open cap space. Brock prefers Houston and takes the offer to the Texans. Texans not only match the offer but go even higher. Brock chooses Houston.

I'd say it's pretty clear that Denver tried to keep him but they just couldn't afford to keep pace with the Texans. They even cut guys and offered all of their available cap space (let's not pretend that getting to $16.6M in cap space was a damn coincidence) and Houston (knowing that Denver was cap strapped) went even higher in order to assure they got their guy. And not only did they get their guy but they managed to sign him to a team friendly deal that can be aborted after 2 years if things go south.

 

[DX-TEX]

At the Combine the Broncos offered him 3 yr / $39M deal ($13M per year) with incentives to go up to $45M total. He apparently had no intention of re-signing with Denver so he sat on the offer and took it to Houston once the legal tampering period opened. Houston made him an unknown offer. It was then reported that Houston was a contender but unlikely to pull him away from Denver. The Broncos had no cap space and cut a few players and restructured others to get up to $16.6M in cap space, presumably to sign Osweiler seeing as they ignored all their other FA's.

Fast forward to the official opening of FA and the Broncos re-enter negotiations and up their offer to 4 yrs / $64M, as reported by a Broncos beat guy. Schefter said they offered $16.5M per year so they basically offered their entire open cap space. Brock prefers Houston and takes the offer to the Texans. Texans not only match the offer but go even higher. Brock chooses Houston.

I'd say it's pretty clear that Denver tried to keep him but they just couldn't afford to keep pace with the Texans. They even cut guys and offered all of their available cap space and Houston (knowing that Denver was cap strapped) went even higher in order to assure they got their guy. And not only did they get their guy but they managed to sign him to a team friendly deal that can be aborted after 2 years if things go south.

All wrong! Elway knows all and didnt want him #PraiseElway

At least according to media

 

[Scooter]

To quote Hillary: Why does it matter?

I was curious, is that allowed?

Edit: thanks Wolverine

 

[Sampson]

So, hello Houston. Life long Bronco fan, and wanted to check how everyone is feeling about their new QB. I'll tell you right now, I'm pissed he isn't with us, I've followed Brock's career since he started at ASU and was thrilled when Denver picked him up. Being kind of tired of the Manning machine, I was really excited to see Brock get his shot as the undisputed leader of the team....and maybe with an actual offensive line. Alas I think we kind of screwed with him too much, he couldn't even get garbage minutes in Denver with Manning throwing bombs with a 30 point lead, I think his treatment at the end of the season was about it.

Our loss is your gain though. I wish him and you guys the best as long as it isn't at the expense of Denver. I expect he's going to do really well. He's a smart kid, very likable, and makes all the throws. His best stuff came against the best teams, and when Kubiak would actually let him sling it a bit. I suspect he may start a little slow with only 7 starts, but I think by halfway through the season he will be rolling.

 

[JB]

Welcome to the board! Congrats on the SB win. We look forward to him being perhaps the best qb we've ever had. It'll be hard to have patience, but it has to be better than what we've gone through lately.

What do you think the Bronco's will do for a QB now that they've lost both of theirs in a week?

 

[justtxyank]

Does anyone have a scouting report/film review of him that is positive? I'd like to read someone breaking him down that thinks he's going to be at least very good. All the ones I've seen posted so far (primarily on another board) are pretty negative.

 

[GoCoogs]

If he doesn't work out, it is two years down the road that you kicked the can. Same would be true of a rookie. Or Savage. I'm not sure why some are so hung up on the dollar amount.

I think it's the sticker shock. People see numbers like 37 million guaranteed and 72 million for 4 years and freak out. But that was the price established by the market when Sam Bradford accepted his deal.

They had to overpay to get him and no matter what people or the media say, Elway and the Broncos wanted him back. That they were willing to pay him 32 million guaranteed and 64 million over 4 years proves it.

 

[Dread-Head]

Midway through the season he started f-ing up. It seemd the more game film DCs had of him to study the worse he was beaten. I'm not saying he's not a good acquistion, I'm just saying I'm somewhat wary and think they might have over paid him. Think about it, they elected to SIT him and ride Manning into the post season. What does that say about him? Was Manning that stellar, or were they afraid he was going to f-up the defense's brilliant work?

 

[Sampson]

Welcome to the board! Congrats on the SB win. We look forward to him being perhaps the best qb we've ever had. It'll be hard to have patience, but it has to be better than what we've gone through lately.

What do you think the Bronco's will do for a QB now that they've lost both of theirs in a week?

Thanks! One of your posters (Thunder something) came by our board and mentioned this place. I'm psyched for the championship, but have trouble giving them the benefit of the doubt at the moment, I'm probably spoiled. I have no idea what they are thinking, I honestly think this may be an unexpected learning experience for Elway. Everything has gone his way the last 5 years, I think he really was surprised that Brock may not want to stay with them for less money....hence all the public commentary from the team (not a good look IMO). I'm hoping he doesn't just assume people want to play there, and he has no reason to accommodate players...we will see. It's a bad market to not have a QB plan, that's for sure.

I was telling members on our board the same thing about Brock. He has the chance to be a legend here if he lives up to his potential. I mean, that has to be enticing, I think you can see that prospect excites him.

 

[DocBar]

Hey, like I said in my first post, I like the guy. I like taking a chance on a guy that has been developed. I really, really like the way he handled himself and the media in that situation with Manning. But $72M for what he's shown is crazy. That's the market, though. So I'll just cheer him on and be happy about it. I was rooting for the move before it was $72M, so I'm not downplaying the move now. I am just thinking of the risk, I guess.

Oh well, Go Texans!

I see this as much less risky than trading up in the draft or hoping a top prospect falls like Rodgers did or hoping to find a diamond in the rough in the middle rounds. The Texans already have that guy.

 

[DX-TEX]

Does anyone have a scouting report/film review of him that is positive? I'd like to read someone breaking him down that thinks he's going to be at least very good. All the ones I've seen posted so far (primarily on another board) are pretty negative.

He has a stupidly small body of work to break down. This signing was about his potential which is pretty damn big if he develops properly.

if he was so damn terrible why did the Broncos offer him only 1.5 million less per year than we did while being very cash strapped?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Does anyone have a scouting report/film review of him that is positive? I'd like to read someone breaking him down that thinks he's going to be at least very good. All the ones I've seen posted so far (primarily on another board) are pretty negative.

Brett Kollman (and possibly Matt Weston) over on BRB is working on one (if he hasn't completed it already.) Personally, I've gone back and watched a few games and although he definitely has things he can improve on, I think he's head and shoulders over anything we've had here for a long time.

 

[Sampson]

Midway through the season he started f-ing up. It seemd the more game film DCs had of him to study the worse he was beaten. I'm not saying he's not a good acquistion, I'm just saying I'm somewhat wary and think they might have over paid him. Think about it, they elected to SIT him and ride Manning into the post season. What does that say about him? Was Manning that stellar, or were they afraid he was going to f-up the defense's brilliant work?

That's not entirely true. He had 1 bad half against Pittsburgh (after putting up 27 points in the first half), but otherwise he did very well under the circumstances. Against Cincinnati, Denver was down 14-3 at the half and he brought them back. Then there's the infamous benching game SD. He had 2 Int's that were off the hands of his receivers in scoring position, and Sander fumbled another in the redzone....even then they were winning when CJ Anderson fumbled on the first possession of the 2nd half. We had close to 300 yards of offense in the first half that day, and they Benched Brock for his teammates turning the ball over/dropping passes, the explanation given....leadership.

Brock actually improved every game he played, when you go back and watch them.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

We need a tight end but I believe the Texans will draft fullback Derek Watt in the 5th or 6th round. And then convert him to a full time tight end. He has a skill set you can work with and improve into a really good pro.

He has really big hands (freakishly big hands for his 6'2 height - almost DeAndre Hopkins like), can catch and block. But I hope he's up to 250 by training camp. He was pushing 235 (at Wisconsin pro day a few days ago).

His body is compact though, he actually looks 250-260...

It would be cool if we found Brock Osweiler a security blanket to throw to. And we wouldn't have to use J.J. Watt as much on offense, especially in the red zone. LOL

Great hands, great genes, Derek Watt is a football player.
Most importantly, he plays hard and does what it takes to win.

Bill O'Brien and J.J. Watt were both at Wisconsin's pro day a couple days ago. O'Brien had nothing but high marks for Derek Watt. He even smiled when asked if the Texans were drafting Derek Watt. He said, "We'll see, a lot of teams probably liked what they saw from him today. His stock is rising."