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2016 Free agent targets

infantrycak said:
I have no doubt the Texans have interest in Oz. It's the price part I doubt.
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Broncos could have offered him a contract "valued" at 45 million but until you know how much is guaranteed it means jack. My best guess would be about 7-8 million a year guaranteed.

Which is perfectly in line with other NFL QB's in Brocks class
 
Not seeing how any of that is responsive to me.

Just not seeing someone in the Texans privy to their negotiating position giving it away to a Denver reporter. I get 'a lot' or pursue hard.
 
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infantrycak said:
Not seeing how any of that is responsive to me.
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You doubted the price, I pointed out you dont know the actual price because we dont know the guarantees and then gave an estimate that falls in line with the rest of the league.

What do you doubt?
 
DX-TEX said:
You doubted the price, I pointed out you dont know the actual price because we dont know the guarantees and then gave an estimate that falls in line with the rest of the league.

What do you doubt?
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I doubt a Denver reporter has inside information on what the Texans are willing to pay.

Or to put it another way I don't think anyone with the Texans told this yahoo "we'll outbid any offer the Broncos make."
 
DX-TEX said:
Dont know but its out there the Texans contacted the Broncos last year about Osweilers availability

Plenty of smoke
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I missed those reports. I remember reports asking about Peyton & Kaepernick. But not Osweiler.
 
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DX-TEX said:
Dont know but its out there the Texans contacted the Broncos last year about Osweilers availability

Plenty of smoke
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The interest in Brock evidently goes way back.

NFL Rumors: Houston Texans interested in trade for Broncos' Brock Osweiler?
by Bryan Rose 104w ago

The Houston Texans are said to be looking hard at drafting a quarterback with the first overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft.

But do they have something up their sleeve?

According to Peter Burns of 104.3 FM Denver, the Broncos have received multiple trade inquires about backup quarterback Brock Osweiler – one of which has come from the Houston Texans.

"Was told that one of the teams interested in Brock Osweiler was the Houston #Texans…
While that might seem a bit odd on the surface, the Texans are likely simply doing their due diligence in regards to a potential quarterback situation."

It’s also possible the Texans could be looking at Osweiler as a potential backup to a rookie arm, though that seems somewhat unlikely.

The most plausible scenario is the Texans simply exploring every possible avenue in regards to the upcoming draft and Osweiler’s name likely came up in the event Houston decides to pass on drafting a quarterback early.

No deal is imminent and it’s not known how serious the talks were.
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thunderkyss said:
I must have completely skipped over this back then. Good find.

DX-TEX, I apologize.
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These Denver radio personalities must have much better connections with the Broncos than any of Houston with the Texans... or maybe it's just some speculating going on since everyone knows the Texans have needed a QB forever
 
Maybe it is late and my brain is sluggish but I think we should not be overly concerned about how much we spend for Osweiler if team thinks he is real deal. We have cap room and we need to take somewhat of a risk. A QB in free agency allows us to bring in a probable starter @ LT or WR (draft) both will help Os. Despite Collins poor combine, I am still strongly in his corner to replace Foster.
 
badboy said:
Maybe it is late and my brain is sluggish but I think we should not be overly concerned about how much we spend for Osweiler if team thinks he is real deal. We have cap room and we need to take somewhat of a risk. A QB in free agency allows us to bring in a probable starter @ LT or WR (draft) both will help Os. Despite Collins poor combine, I am still strongly in his corner to replace Foster.
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Would you be willing to spend half your cap on Osweiler? That's what a Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins' tag like deal would cost you.
 
thunderkyss said:
Would you be willing to spend half your cap on Osweiler? That's what a Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins' tag like deal would cost you.
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Don't know where "tag like deal" came from, but I'd rather just go all in for Goff
 
badboy said:
Maybe it is late and my brain is sluggish but I think we should not be overly concerned about how much we spend for Osweiler if team thinks he is real deal. We have cap room and we need to take somewhat of a risk. A QB in free agency allows us to bring in a probable starter @ LT or WR (draft) both will help Os. Despite Collins poor combine, I am still strongly in his corner to replace Foster.
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This was LZ's thoughts on the Texans going after Brock. They get a QB that is equal to the QB class in the draft (compared him favorably to Lynch) and spend their draft picks on BPP at need. Also dont forget if they do sign Brock that would more than likely end the relationship with Hoyer so you could add another 5 million to available cap space
 
If they cut Hoyer they should have around 47 mil in cap space. If they want to get Osweiler they will need to give him 20 mil. That leaves around 20 mil they can spend in FA and that should be enough to sign FA's like Green/Miller/Okung etc... and give them 7 mil to sign their draft picks.

This is very doable, the question is Osweiller the man?
 
DX-TEX said:
This was LZ's thoughts on the Texans going after Brock. They get a QB that is equal to the QB class in the draft (compared him favorably to Lynch) and spend their draft picks on BPP at need. Also dont forget if they do sign Brock that would more than likely end the relationship with Hoyer so you could add another 5 million to available cap space
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While I tend to believe that the reports of a 3 year $45 Million deal being on the table are probably correct - or at least close to correct, what hasn't been mentioned is the deal structure and the guaranteed money in that amount.

The thing that will keep the Texans from signing Osweiler won't be the salary cap implications, or even the cost of the contract itself, but it will either be the Broncos finalizing a deal and succeeding in keeping him from ever hitting the open market, or the Texans not actually thinking as highly of him as those reports would make you believe. I also believe it's very likely that the first of those two things will leave us forever speculating about the second.
 
steelbtexan said:
If they cut Hoyer they should have around 47 mil in cap space. If they want to get Osweiler they will need to give him 20 mil. That leaves around 20 mil they can spend in FA and that should be enough to sign FA's like Green/Miller/Okung etc... and give them 7 mil to sign their draft picks.

This is very doable, the question is Osweiller the man?
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Thats not how it works. As Champion just stated the guaranteed money is the key. You can spread out a signing bonus over the life of a contract, it doesnt have to be paid all up front.

I still fell Broncos money is around 7-8 million per year guaranteed no matter what the value of the contract is
 
ChampionTexan said:
While I tend to believe that the reports of a 3 year $45 Million deal being on the table are probably correct - or at least close to correct, what hasn't been mentioned is the deal structure and the guaranteed money in that amount.

The thing that will keep the Texans from signing Osweiler won't be the salary cap implications, or even the cost of the contract itself, but it will either be the Broncos finalizing a deal and succeeding in keeping him from ever hitting the open market, or the Texans not actually thinking as highly of him as those reports would make you believe. I also believe it's very likely that the first of those two things will leave us forever speculating about the second.
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They have until tomorrow. Tomorrow we can jump into the bidding war.
 
DX-TEX said:
Thats not how it works. As Champion just stated the guaranteed money is the key. You can spread out a signing bonus over the life of a contract, it doesnt have to be paid all up front.
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Actually signing bonus is paid up front but accounted for spread out.
 
steelbtexan said:
If they cut Hoyer they should have around 47 mil in cap space. If they want to get Osweiler they will need to give him 20 mil. That leaves around 20 mil they can spend in FA and that should be enough to sign FA's like Green/Miller/Okung etc... and give them 7 mil to sign their draft picks.

This is very doable, the question is Osweiller the man?
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Agreed. Looking at the cap in 2017-18, the Texans are in great shape. So, what do you think? Osweiler for 4 yrs - $70 million, if it takes that?
 
steelbtexan said:
If they cut Hoyer they should have around 47 mil in cap space. If they want to get Osweiler they will need to give him 20 mil. That leaves around 20 mil they can spend in FA and that should be enough to sign FA's like Green/Miller/Okung etc... and give them 7 mil to sign their draft picks.

This is very doable, the question is Osweiller the man?
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Don't forget our own FA's we need to sign - Brooks, Jones, Crick.
 
dalemurphy said:
Agreed. Looking at the cap in 2017-18, the Texans are in great shape. So, what do you think? Osweiler for 4 yrs - $70 million, if it takes that?
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Number19 said:
Don't forget our own FA's we need to sign - Brooks, Jones, Crick.
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Cap room this year is a non-issue. We can do anything we want. The only concern is the cumulative impact on the cap in future years....2018 and beyond.
 
dalemurphy said:
Agreed. Looking at the cap in 2017-18, the Texans are in great shape. So, what do you think? Osweiler for 4 yrs - $70 million, if it takes that?
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If the Texans think Osweiler is a francise future top 10 Stafford/Romo/Rivers QB then the answer is yes and maybe more if needed.
 
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The word I'm hearing and reading is that the Texans would like to draft some speed at WR. What I'm reading here is that O doesn't have the arm for the deep passing game. Do we really want such a QB?
 
Number19 said:
The word I'm hearing and reading is that the Texans would like to draft some speed at WR. What I'm reading here is that O doesn't have the arm for the deep passing game. Do we really want such a QB?
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Osweiler has a strong arm... I heard criticism that he lacked deep accuracy (not sure on that myself). Texans must solve Qb. Who is it and how can the acquire him?
 
badboy said:
Maybe it is late and my brain is sluggish but I think we should not be overly concerned about how much we spend for Osweiler if team thinks he is real deal. We have cap room and we need to take somewhat of a risk. A QB in free agency allows us to bring in a probable starter @ LT or WR (draft) both will help Os. Despite Collins poor combine, I am still strongly in his corner to replace Foster.
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I'd much rather have Elliot or Dixon to replace Foster.
 
steelbtexan said:
If they cut Hoyer they should have around 47 mil in cap space. If they want to get Osweiler they will need to give him 20 mil. That leaves around 20 mil they can spend in FA and that should be enough to sign FA's like Green/Miller/Okung etc... and give them 7 mil to sign their draft picks.

This is very doable, the question is Osweiller the man?
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Okung????


2010 2nd preseason game suffered high ankle sprain........missed rest of preseason and the first 3 weeks of the season
2010 week 7 recurrent high ankle sprain......missed another 3 games

2011 missed preseason with recurrent high ankle sprain
2011 week 13 right pectoral tendon rupture IRed

2012 week 2 knee bone bruise injury missed one game

2013 week 2 turf toe (plantar plate of the foot rupture) IRDR missed 8 games

2014 offseason turf toe surgery
2014 torn shoulder labrum, would have missed 1 week except the following week was the bye week
2014 week 8 calf strain, missed 1 game
2014 week 15 beginning of game chest trauma bruised lung with coughing up blood missed 1 week

2015 week 3 shoulder labrum injury, missed 1 week
2015 week 7 turf toe recurrent injury........then later in the following a practice that week, ankle and calf injury.....missed 1 week.......would ........have been 2 weeks if it were not for the Bye
2015 week 15 calf injury missed 2 weeks

2016 2nd playoff game in Jan shoulder dislocation/ extended labrum tear from 3rd week in 2014
2016 February shoulder surgery (at least a 6 month rehab)
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Okung????


2010 2nd preseason game suffered high ankle sprain........missed rest of preseason and the first 3 weeks of the season
2010 week 7 recurrent high ankle sprain......missed another 3 games

2011 missed preseason with recurrent high ankle sprain
2011 week 13 right pectoral tendon rupture IRed

2012 week 2 knee bone bruise injury missed one game

2013 week 2 turf toe (plantar plate of the foot rupture) IRDR missed 8 games

2014 offseason turf toe surgery
2014 week 8 calf strain, missed 1 game
2014 week 15 beginning of game chest trauma bruised lung with coughing up blood missed 1 week

2015 week 3 shoulder labrum injury, missed 1 week
2015 week 7 turf toe recurrent injury........then later in the following a practice that week, ankle and calf injury.....missed 1 week.......would ........have been 2 weeks if it were not for the Bye
2015 week 15 calf injury missed 2 weeks

2016 2nd playoff game in Jan shoulder dislocation/ extended labrum tear from 3rd week in 2014
2016 February shoulder surgery (at least a 6 month rehab)
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There you go raining on the parade.

I had no idea of his extensive injury history.
 
thunderkyss said:
Would you be willing to spend half your cap on Osweiler? That's what a Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins' tag like deal would cost you.
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Just to clarify, you do mean half of cap space not cap, correct?
Let's look: as of today we have $43 million space with some other contracts we could eliminate if needed going forward.

Sam Bradford has 5 years of NFL action, Osweiler four seasons with first three having completed 17 passes; minimal info.

In 2015 Bradford was 14 games started 346/532 65% 3725 @ 7 avg.
Os in 2015 started only 7 of 8 games 170/225 61.8 1967 @ 7.2 avg. This is good but only half a season.

Bradford contract was two seasons $36 million with $22 guaranteed- $11 m upfront bonus = $11 m - $7 base guaranteed for 2016= only $4 m guarantee left against 2017 base of $14 m. He could be cut in second season with $9.5 m dead money. Sounds fairly reasonable for a 28 YOA NFL vet with that history of playing.

$18 million a year for OS? Well I am not sure but would we have to offer that or if yes, does it have to be two seasons? Don't most players want longer deals? OS at 25 could be offered a deal of 4-5 years with amounts adjusted as we need. Bradford cap for 2016 is $12.5 and that is very reasonable for him and would not negatively impact Texans if offered to OS.

Offer Osweiler a reasonable deal with incentives to pump up deal. Five seasons $75m with $20m guaranteed. Avg $11 m annual base but arranged to keep cap favorable to Texans as was Watt's.

$10 m upfront bonus with mid-season bonus of $5m if he has played 90%. His 2016 base could be $5 m and his guarantee is paid first year. $55 m (remaining offer)divided by four remaining years = $11 m each . If he is not what we want we dump him year two with zero dead $. I am sure I am making some mistakes but you get the idea. The second year could have some of the guarantee if that was better or if he misses the mid-season bonus.
 
DX-TEX said:
This was LZ's thoughts on the Texans going after Brock. They get a QB that is equal to the QB class in the draft (compared him favorably to Lynch) and spend their draft picks on BPP at need. Also dont forget if they do sign Brock that would more than likely end the relationship with Hoyer so you could add another 5 million to available cap space
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Didn't hear LZ but I agree. The risk is not quite as high as with a draft pick--say Lynch and doubtful that Lynch plays much until year two; with OS he should start game one plus bring more of a leadership to huddle than any draft QB.
 
JB said:
gotcha... again, I'd rather go all in for Goff than pay that kind of money to an Osweiler
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You and me both, Brother. Or what if we smash through the franchise tag, get Cousins, and accept the consequences? At least it would be a way to avoid Osweiler, who would be another in a long list of QB acquisition failures.
 
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ArlingtonTexan said:
well profootballtalk is always there to monger a rumor for you

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...expected-to-call-brock-osweilers-agent-today/
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Rumors & flat out lies. From that article:

It’s clear why Houston would be interested, as they’re a a quarterback away from being a real contender with their base of defensive talent and a star receiver in the making in DeAndre Hopkins. And because of their success at overcoming their quarterback position last year, they’re picking 22nd, likely too low to acquire the kind of passer who could make an immediate difference.
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GoCoogs said:
Well we find out today.
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Not until Wednesday, right? Today starts the "legal tampering" period where free agents can start actively talking to teams, but those talks can't be finalized (except if it's with their original team) until Wednesday... unless I'm mistaken.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Not until Wednesday, right? Today starts the "legal tampering" period where free agents can start actively talking to teams, but those talks can't be finalized (except if it's with their original team) until Wednesday... unless I'm mistaken.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ens-its-stance-on-the-legal-tampering-period/

During the two-day negotiating period, all clubs may negotiate all aspects of an NFL Player Contract with the certified agent of any prospective UFA,” explains the March 2 memo to all teams, a copy of which PFT has obtained. “However, a new club may not execute an NFL Player Contract with a prospective UFA until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 9, when the player’s 2015 contract expires.”

The memo then explains that “the only valid, binding and enforceable employment agreement between an NFL player and an NFL club is an NFL Player Contract that has been fully executed by the parties in compliance with all applicable League rules and the CBA,” and that any discussions regarding possible employment or terms of employment “are non-binding and are unenforceable by the player or the club.”

The memo next lists specific things that cannot be done. Teams cannot execute an NFL contract, execute an agreement in principle or other similar document, announce that an agreement in principle or other similar agreement has been reached, or reach agreement on any undisclosed terms. Also, teams cannot make travel arrangements with a prospective free agent before the launch of free agency, at 4:00 p.m. ET on Wednesday.
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Osweiler would have to want to leave the Broncos if the Texans have any chance. I would think the Broncos would match anything that's offered, so the choice would be Broncos or Texans. The Broncos, who just won the Super Bowl. Or, the Texans, who tend to hover the line of average. Tough choice

The Broncos have nothing at the position after Manning and O. If the Broncos didn't match the offer then what does that say about the player?
 
HOU-TEX said:
Osweiler would have to want to leave the Broncos if the Texans have any chance. I would think the Broncos would match anything that's offered, so the choice would be Broncos or Texans. The Broncos, who just won the Super Bowl. Or, the Texans, who tend to hover the line of average. Tough choice

The Broncos have nothing at the position after Manning and O. If the Broncos didn't match the offer then what does that say about the player?
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They cant match "anything". Even with Peyton retiring the have around 8-9 million freed up right now after you include the space they got fro Mannings retirement and remove 5 million for draft picks. They also have to put some aside for when they tender their vested vets.
 
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