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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

What TK is saying makes some sense if both were starting as rookies. But later round guys have gotten looks when starters have been injured or not panned out and generally after having the 'developmental time' some think should transform them into as good as the 1st rounders. Hasn't worked very often.

David Garrard
Fitzy
Matt Cassell
Derek Anderson
Dan Orlovsky
Bruce Gradkowski
Matt Flynn
John Skelton

That's the best of them.

I'd throw Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, Jake Delhomme, even Aaron Brooks in there.

Not sure where 23 came from but again yes we would be better off with TB than now.

I just used 23 since the Browns took Manziel at 22. But yeah, draft time I though 19 was easily in our reach & I actually expected the Texans to make a move.

But the point is we didn't need to spend the #1 overall since the "consensus" #1 QB was there to be had later, & we still could have gotten Carr or Garoppolo (the consensus picks, not mine) later. Even still, those guys would have been behind Mallett & Hoyer anyway. I think that was something that would have happened anyway. O'b had an itch he needed to scratch.
 
I'd throw Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, Jake Delhomme, even Aaron Brooks in there.

Schaub was a 3rd. I only went back to 2002.

But the point is we didn't need to spend the #1 overall since the "consensus" #1 QB was there to be had later, & we still could have gotten Carr or Garoppolo (the consensus picks, not mine) later.

TB wasn't the consensus #1 QB pick by the time the draft rolled around.

Even still, those guys would have been behind Mallett & Hoyer anyway. I think that was something that would have happened anyway. O'b had an itch he needed to scratch.

Not buying that at all. Hoyer wasn't here in 2014 and Mallett didn't arrive until the season started. Probably don't even bring him in if we had drafted someone. It would have been rookie v. Fitz.
 
I agree 100% that later round guys don't get the same opportunities that early round guys do. It isn't always fair, but it isn't out of the clear blue sky either, guys are graded out of school and usually given time to fall to that mean more or less. And those guys are far more often than not drafted where they are for a good reason, barring organizational incompetence (lookin at you Browns).
I think what you are describing is a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Drafting a QB higher mean they get more time to be successful than those drafted later, who often need the time more than the early draft picks.

So why should it surprise anyone when those picked higher are more successful, regardless of their potential? More opportunity and more patience lead to more success.
 
Isn't that the Texans way?
Am I in the twilight zone? We've always gotten a lead and then figured out how to squander it or been out of it by halftime.

I really don't remember coming back at all and certainly not as a description of the Texan's Way.
 
Am I in the twilight zone? We've always gotten a lead and then figured out how to squander it or been out of it by halftime.

I really don't remember coming back at all and certainly not as a description of the Texan's Way.

We've always gotten a lead? Other than good Schaub days that's twilight zine.
 
I think what you are describing is a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Drafting a QB higher mean they get more time to be successful than those drafted later, who often need the time more than the early draft picks.

So why should it surprise anyone when those picked higher are more successful, regardless of their potential? More opportunity and more patience lead to more success.

I don't think anything Molly said is"self fulfilling" and i think you guys agree more then you acknowledge on the matter. A first round qb gets more opportunities then a seventh round pick. Water is wet. I agree.
 
I don't think anything Molly said is"self fulfilling" and i think you guys agree more then you acknowledge on the matter. A first round qb gets more opportunities then a seventh round pick. Water is wet. I agree.

True, in that self-fulfilling isn't really apt. It's just base and obvious.

I think what you are describing is a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Drafting a QB higher mean they get more time to be successful than those drafted later, who often need the time more than the early draft picks.

So why should it surprise anyone when those picked higher are more successful, regardless of their potential? More opportunity and more patience lead to more success.

I think you're ignoring that those picked higher are picked there for a reason and more often than not (though not always) it is legitimate.

People get so caught up in the outlier (Brady) that they want to just bin the whole evaluation process as a "crap shoot", when it really isn't. Teams win with good draft picks, players drafted earlier more often than not are better, guys drafted earlier also consequently get a little more leeway to prove it. And like powda said, water is not surprisingly wet.
 
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I do remember the 12-4 season more than recent ones. But when did we ever come back from a deficit to win? I just don't remember any beyond a quick 1st quarter deficit.

The 2 games we won in 2013 were hella come back games. The final games of good Schaub.
 
Am I in the twilight zone? We've always gotten a lead and then figured out how to squander it or been out of it by halftime.

I really don't remember coming back at all and certainly not as a description of the Texan's Way.

Who ever said anything about the Texans coming back after being down?
 
Who ever said anything about the Texans coming back after being down?

I know it ended badly but watching the Texans and Schaub go 95 and 99 yds to get a 2 pt conversion right in front of me was my favorite NFL moment (other than the team that can't be mentioned).
 
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I know it ended badly but watching the Texans and Schaub go 95 and 99 yds to get a 2 pt conversion right in front of me was my favorite NFL moment (other than the team that can't be mentioned).

Yeah I know Schaub pulled it out a few times, that was one of the best. I was just trying to figure out what Marshall was talking about. He quoted me on a post I quoted you on about the other team getting a lead. Where he got I was talking about us coming from behind I have no clue.
 
Both Savage and Strong can use the reps. I'd love to hear announcer saying "It's another Savage to Strong TD pass!" once a quarter.
 
Both Savage and Strong can use the reps. I'd love to hear announcer saying "It's another Savage to Strong TD pass!" once a quarter.

That seems like you are asking a bit much...maybe once every other game or would work a little better :uprights:
 
Yeah I know Schaub pulled it out a few times, that was one of the best. I was just trying to figure out what Marshall was talking about. He quoted me on a post I quoted you on about the other team getting a lead. Where he got I was talking about us coming from behind I have no clue.
Agreed.
 
Had Strong drunk himself into a stupor, nobody would say a word. But smoke some weed, and people lose their minds. It's beyond absurd.
I disagree. It's not about what he consumed, it's that he got caught doing something stupid for me. I also see more disappointment than outrage.
 
I disagree. It's not about what he consumed, it's that he got caught doing something stupid for me. I also see more disappointment than outrage.
I get your point about being disappointed. But he is just a kid, and kids are prone to being stupid from time to time. That said, there is no telling whether the weed was even his as it was not his car, he was not driving and there were 2 other people in the car. Seems odd to me that only he was arrested. Why not all of them and why wasn't a roadside test done on the driver? I agree it was stupid to be riding around smoking weed--could have done that before leaving the crib--even if he was the only one smoking which we just don't know. He was released without charge, so I'm writing this off as a learning moment for the youngster.
 
I get your point about being disappointed. But he is just a kid, and kids are prone to being stupid from time to time. That said, there is no telling whether the weed was even his as it was not his car, he was not driving and there were 2 other people in the car. Seems odd to me that only he was arrested. Why not all of them and why wasn't a roadside test done on the driver? I agree it was stupid to be riding around smoking weed--could have done that before leaving the crib--even if he was the only one smoking which we just don't know. He was released without charge, so I'm writing this off as a learning moment for the youngster.

Where did you hear is isn't being charged? Not saying you're wrong, just haven't heard/read that anywhere myself yet.

Also as for who's it was, the fact that he was the only person booked tells me it was his. Or he just copped to it being his. Really no other reason for the others to get off scot-free.
 
Where did you hear is isn't being charged? Not saying you're wrong, just haven't heard/read that anywhere myself yet.

Also as for who's it was, the fact that he was the only person booked tells me it was his. Or he just copped to it being his. Really no other reason for the others to get off scot-free.

He copped to it when asked by the cops who smelled weed when they pulled the Maserati driven by Packers cornerback Damarious Randall over for supposedly not having a visible license plate. So it's possible the owner of the car did not want his car confiscated and impounded, who knows.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-houston-texans-arrested-marijuana-possession
 
He copped to it when asked by the cops who smelled weed when they pulled the Maserati driven by Packers cornerback Damarious Randall over for supposedly not having a visible license plate. So it's possible the owner of the car did not want his car confiscated and impounded, who knows.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-houston-texans-arrested-marijuana-possession

Fair enough on the not being charged thing. So, big whoop to this whole story.

Lesson learned, get a fall guy or stay at home.
 
Savage may not be the anointed starter. But he may be called upon later in the year for one reason or another. It is good to see the comradery he shares with Osweiler.

Texans' QB Tom Savage fired up after missing last season
By Aaron Wilson
July 12, 2016
Tom Savage spent an entire season sidelined with a sprained shoulder last year, enduring long hours in the training room during a grueling rehabilitation.

Healthy again, the Texans quarterback is competing with Brandon Weeden for backup duties behind new starter Brock Osweiler.

Although Weeden has a lot more experience than Savage and won two late-season games as the Texans clinched the AFC South division title, Savage has had a strong offseason and delivered the football with zip and accuracy during practice sessions.

Savage is trying to climb the depth chart after previously being the third-string quarterback.

"I'm healthy and ready to roll," said Savage, who's entering his third NFL season. "Whatever I can do to help Brock. He's a great guy and we're all just trying to win. I'm going to be out there competing. The day I stop competing is the day I quit this sport. I'm out here to make everyone better."

A strong-armed, 6-4, 228-pound former fourth-round draft pick from Pitt, Savage played in two games as a rookie and completed 10 of 19 passes for 127 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. Savage passed for 5,690 yards, 37 touchdowns and 19 interceptions in college while playing for Rutgers, Arizona and Pitt.

"Tom always had that chip on his shoulder," Texans Pro Bowl wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins said. "He plays the game with a lot confidence and I mean he's developing – year three for him now, mastering this offense a little better. It's in him, it's been in him, so he'll be all right."

Savage has also made a strong impression on Osweiler.

"Well, with Tom, what's not to like?" Osweiler said. "Tom, first of all, is a tremendous person. He's a tremendous teammate. He works his tail off in the meeting room and in the weight room, on the practice field. He's a guy that you want in your corner. I really can't say enough. Tom is a tremendous teammate."

When Osweiler signed a $72 million contract with the team, he organized informal workouts in Arizona with the quarterbacks and receivers. Savage attended the sessions and helped Osweiler get acclimated to the offense.

"As far as Tom helping myself make the jump and the transition into this offense, he's been great," Osweiler said. "Starting in Arizona, we had lots of conversations out there about the language of our offense, the verbiage of the offense. We're all pushing for each other to do great. We're all in each other's corner.

"On the practice field, if the other guy is going and the other two are out, we sit there and we have conversations about football. We pick each other's brain. At the end of the day, we really just support each other and want to see the other guy do great."
 
Looking at Texans history of QB getting injured, I would not trade any "good" QB unless for a starter at another position.

Injury is one thing, but we were also benching QBs almost every other week.

Fitz got benched. Mallett got benched. Hoyer got benched, then Mallett again, then Hoyer again... hopefully we're done with that & injury is all we have to worry about.
 
The loss was bad enough, did we have to resurrect the worst named thread in forum history?

What we saw tonight was our O-line problems emerging in ugly fashion on national TV. Then compounded by a coach incapable of preparing within the short week like Belichick can.

I'll give Osweiler a slight pass. Only Hopkins was getting open, he had no protection, and he wasn't calling the plays.
 
Osweiller sucks donkey wang.. It all starts with him. The coaches carriage are hooked to him and they will never see any success until they move on from him
 
We signed Osweiler knowing he was a work in progress. Bill saw something he thinks he can build on. I've still yet to see anything that says he can't.

As soon as we see a game plan offense (please tell me that wasn't Bill's game plan offense) I think we'll be pleased with our team.
 
Its time this guy is given a chance. He can't be any worse than the pathetic excuse of a qb that we are paying 18 million a year.

IMO the best QB on this team is Brandon Weeden, but he will never play another down for the Texans. Osweiler has the best offensive weapons in the NFL at his disposal, so it's quite pathetic he couldn't even engineer a field goal drive. Had Tom Brady played the score would've been 49-0!
 
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