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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Thorsson said:
IMO the best QB on this team is Brandon Weeden, but he will never play another down for the Texans. Osweiler has the best offensive weapons in the NFL at his disposal, so it's quite pathetic he couldn't even engineer a field goal drive. Had Tom Brady played the score would've been 49-0!
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Brandon weeden? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA. Hes gotta get permissiom from shady pines retirement home to play first, lol!!
 
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woahhhh woahhhh pump the breaks plzzz our problem IMO was the entire O line they can run block to save there lives they need to Hit them weights all 5 of them and if they cant get it done then bench there ass also Brown sucks yes but at least he does not suck like super suck he needs to get his as back !!!!
 
Osweiller is stealing a living, he can't read a defence. Unfortunately with the contract we won't be seeing Savage anytime soon so there goes our chance of doing anything significant
 
If you are a statue like Savage or Brady you better be damn smart. Savage isn't Brady. You never see Brady throwing the ball away backwards or running out of back of endzone. Did Savage do that or was the just Orlovsky I can't remember all our backups seem to be the same.
 
TexCas said:
Osweiller is stealing a living, he can't read a defence. Unfortunately with the contract we won't be seeing Savage anytime soon so there goes our chance of doing anything significant
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This is true. $72 million dollar guys don't sit. They continue to try and develop them and truthfully it is too soon for the Texans to throw up our hands and give up on him. It just looks eerily like watching David Carr play. I used to watch Carr throw picks like Os does and scream at the TV "What are you seeing? What are you looking at?" until I finally just quit caring what Carr did.
 
Savage to me looks like he had potential..he has a strong arm and quick release...Brock has to wind up and with his side arm schaub like push the ball motion it's easy for defenders to break on his ball..the dude is just a taller schaub


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4x4tx said:
Savage to me looks like he had potential..he has a strong arm and quick release...Brock has to wind up and with his side arm schaub like push the ball motion it's easy for defenders to break on his ball..the dude is just a taller schaub


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Until he stops staring down his receivers, learns to read a defense, and quits throwing the ball to the other team I'm calling him "Taller David Carr".
 
4x4tx said:
Savage to me looks like he had potential..he has a strong arm and quick release...Brock has to wind up and with his side arm schaub like push the ball motion it's easy for defenders to break on his ball..the dude is just a taller schaub


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I agree about the release. Brock is SLOWWWW on release!!!!!!
 
I think the problem, like many of us predicted, is our oline is garbage and it is really affecting the run game. So instead of trying to force the run every series, we need to go up tempo and sling the rock around some. Get teams to loosen up more. I feel like I was watching Gary out there coaching us again. We get it, you want to run the ball!! Unfortunately we do not have the oline to consistently run well. So start throwing short passes more often with an uptempo rhythm.
 
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TexCas said:
Is Savage the answer? Probably not. It has however been proven in the last three games that Osweiler isn't.
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proven to who? Regardless of last night, we are still 2-1 and I don't think the coaches have given up on Os just yet... maybe you could go in and take the job
 
JB said:
proven to who? Regardless of last night, we are still 2-1 and I don't think the coaches have given up on Os just yet... maybe you could go in and take the job
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To anyone who has watched him play the last three games. He stares down receivers and can't read a defence. It is time for a change if we want anything out of this season
 
TexCas said:
To anyone who has watched him play the last three games. He stares down receivers and can't read a defence. It is time for a change if we want anything out of this season
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How nice of you to speak for everyone that watched the game...

What are your qualifications again?
 
I think it has also been pointed out (repeatedly) that all QB's stare down receivers, especially the ones who are trying to get the ball out quickly.

I have no clue if Os is the answer, and I would say after three games it's probably too early to head to Reliant with pitchforks and torches.

I get as emotional as anyone, and I have been a Houston football fan for a very long time and remember all the melt downs, comeback losses, inept prime time showings. I know I wouldn't be a good owner or coach, as in the heat of the moment last night I would have fired everyone including the water boy. You can't run a franchise on emotion. A lot of you folks would have fired Peyton after 10 starts.
 
braxton miller > osweiler.

at least a zone-read with him and lamar miller would open up the run game, and the attention from that would open it up for hopkins and fuller.

the offense can't get any worse.
 
there was a part in the game where Kubiak said, "you can't stop our run game... here, take that. Oh that feels good, take some more. Oh... ah... ah... yeah...Yeah...yeah. Say my name, say.. my... naaaaaaammmmmmeeee beeyyyotccch!!"

I don't think O'b ever got to that stage with the run game.
 
thunderkyss said:
there was a part in the game where Kubiak said, "you can't stop our run game... here, take that. Oh that feels good, take some more. Oh... ah... ah... yeah...Yeah...yeah. Say my name, say.. my... naaaaaaammmmmmeeee beeyyyotccch!!"

I don't think O'b ever got to that stage with the run game.
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The foundation of the Denver offense has always been running the ball. All the way back to Terrell Davis and before. If that works for them, everything else follows.

I have yet to identify the "foundation" of O'Brien's offense.

Maybe you guys know what it is.
 
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ObsiWan said:
The foundation of the Denver offense has always been running the ball. All the way back to Terrell Davis and before. If that works for them, everything else follows.

I have yet to identify the "foundation" of O'Brien's offense.

Maybe you guys know what it is.
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I don't remember him building one now that you mention it.
 
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ObsiWan said:
The foundation of the Denver offense has always been running the ball. All the way back to Terrell Davis and before. If that works for them, everything else follows.

I have yet to identify the "foundation" of O'Brien's offense.

Maybe you guys know what it is.
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Take the money and run.
That's as solid and sound as it gets. :brando:
 
OB has an easy out. He benches Brock for one game and let's Savage play. This puts Brock on notice and shows the fans he actually gives a crap about our offensive play.

If Savage stinks it up he lets Brock finish the year out and says it was a lesson to bench him one game. If Savage plays amazing he continues to start while Brock "learns" on the bench and "grasps" the offensive scheme. That way OB can save face for his 72 million dollar mistake.

I can guarantee you 100% that Savage has a better handle of the offense, more chemistry with the players, and will show up better than Brock.

I know this is wishful thinking but in an ideal world...
 
Supertoad said:
Um yes... who do you think pays for everything to keep on going... the fans. He has to appease the city, fans, and owner
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No! His job is to coach up the team and win games. If he listened to fans he should never be a head coach. Who wants a head coach to listen to fans and do stupid stuff like start his backup qb (that has never played a full game) on the advice of fans want to?

It's the owners job to appease fans, or not. McNair has a sold out stadium and a waiting list to sell more. Why would he give a **** about what fans want?
 
infantrycak said:
No, the TV channels and sponsors pay 90+% and it's shared.
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If fans stop watching the TV channels won't be pleased because thier ad space won't sell for as much. If the whole city turns against him it isn't good. I'm not saying he has to do what fans say but it is his job to make sure his team does well which does appease fans. When we finished 2-14 the fans and city turned on Kubiak and we saw how that turned out
 
Supertoad said:
OB has an easy out. He benches Brock for one game and let's Savage play. This puts Brock on notice and shows the fans he actually gives a crap about our offensive play.

If Savage stinks it up he lets Brock finish the year out and says it was a lesson to bench him one game. If Savage plays amazing he continues to start while Brock "learns" on the bench and "grasps" the offensive scheme. That way OB can save face for his 72 million dollar mistake.

I can guarantee you 100% that Savage has a better handle of the offense, more chemistry with the players, and will show up better than Brock.

I know this is wishful thinking but in an ideal world...
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Look, Savage (and Weeden) are longshots, and beyond the fact that they haven't failed to this point (well, in Weeden's case, he hasn't failed as a Texan to this point), there's no reason to believe either is the answer beyond the "We could find lightning in a bottle" argument that dissatisfied fans are so vulnerable to. Look at the history of QB's in the NFL (semi-recent history anyway), and as far as I'm concerned, the ever-dwindling chances that Osweiler could turn things around and become a serviceable starting QB for a team with Super Bowl aspirations (which doesn't need to make him Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers) are still better than the chance that the 4th round pick with 19 NFL passes and two season ending stints on IR or the guy on his third NFL team who's record as an NFL starter prior to joining the Texans was 5-19.

We've invested $37 Million into Osweiler with an option to invest another $35 if things do an incredible turn-around for him. I don't think sitting him does anything to teach him a "lesson", nor does standing on the sidelines listening to his helmet and watching someone else run this team help him learn much. If that were the case, his 3+ years watching a HoFer ply his trade would have done more than it apparently did. I'm not saying you can't learn by observation, but I'm saying that method has been utilized already, and even then, you learn more by doing than watching.

Brock Osweiler looks more and more like he'll be getting Spencer Tillman's proverbial apple and roadmap at some point before the 2018 off-season gets underway (with apologies to those who are as tired of that phrase as I am), but given where we were before he got here, and where we'll very likely be if/when he's a cap casualty, I want to be absolutely 100 percent freekin' positive this guy is an NFL washout before we move on to whoever the next great thing that might hopefully turn into our long hoped for franchise QB (if the good lord's willin', and the creek don't rise of course). Even for one game.
 
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Look, Savage (and Weeden) are longshots, and beyond the fact that they haven't failed to this point (well, in Weeden's case, he hasn't failed as a Texan to this point), there's no reason to believe either is the answer beyond the "We could find lightning in a bottle" argument that dissatisfied fans are so vulnerable to. Look at the history of QB's in the NFL (semi-recent history anyway), and as far as I'm concerned, the ever-dwindling chances that Osweiler could turn things around and become a serviceable starting QB for a team with Super Bowl aspirations (which doesn't need to make him Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers) are still better than the chance that the 4th round pick with 19 NFL passes and two season ending stints on IR or the guy on his third NFL team who's record as an NFL starter prior to joining the Texans was 5-19.

We've invested $37 Million into Osweiler with an option to invest another $35 if things do an incredible turn-around for him. I don't think sitting him does anything to teach him a "lesson", nor does standing on the sidelines listening to his helmet and watching someone else run this team help him learn much. If that were the case, his 3+ years watching a HoFer ply his trade would have done more than it apparently did. I'm not saying you can't learn by observation, but I'm saying that method has been utilized already, and even then, you learn more by doing than watching.

Brock Osweiler looks more and more like he'll be getting Spencer Tillman's proverbial apple and roadmap at some point before the 2018 off-season gets underway (with apologies to those who are as tired of that phrase as I am), but given where we were before he got here, and where we'll very likely be if/when he's a cap casualty, I want to be absolutely 100 percent freekin' positive this guy is an NFL washout before we move on to whoever the next great thing that might hopefully turn into our long hoped for franchise QB (if the good lord's willin', and the creek don't rise of course). Even for one game.
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I agree with this to a certain point. I think 7 games maybe too short, but I think there's a limit (this season) to how much we can see. I would rather see Savage for the last 4 games and know whether we have something serviceable or not. My guess is that Weeden / Savage are not the answer, but at least with Savage we have no idea if he can be the Trevor Simian for our team until our draft pick next year is the answer.

Trotting out Brock after 3 or 4 more of these performances it too much leash, though
 
ObsiWan said:
Actually, this is a wasted thread.

Savage, nor anyone else, can save us from O'Brien's wack play calling.
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The hope would be that Savage, or Weeden, could process what he is seeing that fraction of a second faster, and then get the ball released quicker, and have better ball placement, that OB's "wack play calling" would actually work. We just don't know at this point.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
Look, Savage (and Weeden) are longshots, and beyond the fact that they haven't failed to this point (well, in Weeden's case, he hasn't failed as a Texan to this point), there's no reason to believe either is the answer beyond the "We could find lightning in a bottle" argument that dissatisfied fans are so vulnerable to. Look at the history of QB's in the NFL (semi-recent history anyway), and as far as I'm concerned, the ever-dwindling chances that Osweiler could turn things around and become a serviceable starting QB for a team with Super Bowl aspirations (which doesn't need to make him Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers) are still better than the chance that the 4th round pick with 19 NFL passes and two season ending stints on IR or the guy on his third NFL team who's record as an NFL starter prior to joining the Texans was 5-19.

We've invested $37 Million into Osweiler with an option to invest another $35 if things do an incredible turn-around for him. I don't think sitting him does anything to teach him a "lesson", nor does standing on the sidelines listening to his helmet and watching someone else run this team help him learn much. If that were the case, his 3+ years watching a HoFer ply his trade would have done more than it apparently did. I'm not saying you can't learn by observation, but I'm saying that method has been utilized already, and even then, you learn more by doing than watching.

Brock Osweiler looks more and more like he'll be getting Spencer Tillman's proverbial apple and roadmap at some point before the 2018 off-season gets underway (with apologies to those who are as tired of that phrase as I am), but given where we were before he got here, and where we'll very likely be if/when he's a cap casualty, I want to be absolutely 100 percent freekin' positive this guy is an NFL washout before we move on to whoever the next great thing that might hopefully turn into our long hoped for franchise QB (if the good lord's willin', and the creek don't rise of course). Even for one game.
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The only thing we will be certain of is that Os is a washout in WTF ever OB's offense is. At this point in time. I'm not sure Peyton Manning could grasp it. I'm not 100% sure OB can grasp it.
 
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The hope would be that Savage, or Weeden, could process what he is seeing that fraction of a second faster, and then get the ball released quicker, and have better ball placement, that OB's "wack play calling" would actually work. We just don't know at this point.
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Or maybe actually throw to another receiver that may be open or throw the ball to the receiver instead of behind him, over his head, at his feet, .......or hang on to the ball and not pass out fumbles like it is Halloween candy, but he does so good in the after game interview saying it is up to me to get better, it is on me ........

Brock reminds me of BOB in the after game interview. Is Brock a miniBOB
 
gafftop said:
Or maybe actually throw to another receiver that may be open or throw the ball to the receiver instead of behind him, over his head, at his feet, .......or hang on to the ball and not pass out fumbles like it is Halloween candy, but he does so good in the after game interview saying it is up to me to get better, it is on me ........

Brock reminds me of BOB in the after game interview. Is Brock a miniBOB
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BO is the mirror image of OB...just sayin'... :chef:
 
At this point, if the FO really knew what it was doing-- they would already be preparing to wrap TJ Yates in a nice bow and let Santa McNair led by Rick the brown-nosed reindeer deliver him to the team as an early Christmas present for that December 24th matchup.
 
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