What to do in 1st round?

[Bulls on Parade]

All of that didn't really answer my question.

A good reason? I'd say yes and no. A good reason to be the fourth quarterback drafted (yes). A good reason to fall out of the first round (no). All he needs is time to rest his shoulder and he's going to be a great one for a long time with proper NFL coaching.

I don't think a lingering shoulder injury that he's had for the bulk of this season - he first hurt his shoulder against Maryland the fourth game and never seemed to get that right because he played through the pain, and a bad performance against the eventual National champions in Alabama, along with skipping the Senior Bowl, doesn't really take away from the talent that's there.

Connor Cook will be ready to play by training camp whichever team drafts him. I watched him play all season long and he showed absolute toughness every game. He was a flat out winner at Michigan State. Decent size, great arm, good atleticism.

Sure, I'm on board with Goff, Lynch or Wentz if we can land one of them but chances are we're going to stay at pick #22. I'm being realistic with who we can draft here.

Of course, some other team, like the Rams, may draft Connor Cook because their scouts and their evaluators were impressed with him just like I was. Who knows, We just need to gamble on somebody in the first round and roll with it. We'll either luck out or not. It's all a crap shoot anyways.

 

[Mollywhopper]

A good reason? I'd say yes and no. A good reason to be the fourth quarterback drafted (yes). A good reason to fall out of the first round (no). All he needs is time to rest his shoulder and he's going to be a great one for a long time with proper NFL coaching.

I don't think a lingering shoulder injury that he's had for the bulk of this season - he first hurt his shoulder against Maryland the fourth game and never seemed to get that right because he played through the pain, and a bad performance against the eventual National champions in Alabama, along with skipping the Senior Bowl, doesn't really take away from the talent that's there.

Connor Cook will be ready to play by training camp whichever team drafts him. I watched him play all season long and he showed absolute toughness every game. He was a flat out winner at Michigan State. Decent size, great arm, good atleticism.

Sure, I'm on board with Goff, Lynch or Wentz if we can land one of them but chances are we're going to stay at pick #22. I'm being realistic with who we can draft here.

Of course, some other team, like the Rams, may draft Connor Cook because their scouts and their evaluators were impressed with him just like I was.

You keep talking about his shoulder injury as though that is the cause of his problems.

As for trading up, nobody knows if we're staying put at 22 or not. A move into the teens from 22 wouldn't break any bank, certainly not for a guy you think could be your franchise QB.

 

[WolverineFan]

True but it's a strong draft for quarterbacks.
Looks like four or five will go in round one.
And we just happen to have the #22 overall pick.

I would be surprised if more than 3 went but there is always the chance that one team gets desperate and starts off a fire sale and we get a huge run on QB's.

The depth in this QB class is pretty good. Probably 8-10 guys who are legitimately viable NFL guys. Usually that number is lower.

 

[Corrosion]

True but it's a strong draft for quarterbacks.
Looks like four or five will go in round one.
And we just happen to have the #22 overall pick.

I wouldn't say this is a strong draft for QB's ..... There are TWO who I think are worthy of a first round pick - Goff & Wendt.
I probably wouldn't take Lynch until round 2-3 and Cook round 3-4 .... but some desperate team (hopefully not the Texans) will take them in rounds 1-2.

No way 5 go in the first and I'd be absolutely shocked if 4 did , even with 11 teams , one third of the league having some level of need at the position.

I wouldn't touch Hackenberg , Prescott , Jones or Coker until the 5th or later.

I think the sheer volume of teams with a need at the position will drive teams to take them well ahead of where they belong , 4 in first two rounds and the 5th maybe round 3.



What I might consider .... drafting Wendt then take another in rounds 5-7 (Hogan / Kessler ?)

You keep talking about his shoulder injury as though that is the cause of his problems.

He just isn't very accurate .... pretty much a rookie version of what we've had the past two seasons.

As for trading up, nobody knows if we're staying put at 22 or not. A move into the teens from 22 wouldn't break any bank, certainly not for a guy you think could be your franchise QB.

Got to get in front of the Rams who sit at 15 ..... No , it wouldn't break the bank and at this point , after three years of suck at the position , I'd be in favor of making a significant trade to get the solution at the QB spot.

 

[Norg]

A lot of QB's look bad against Alabama I don't think that will really hurt Cook Much IMO

 

[JB]

A lot of QB's look bad against Alabama I don't think that will really hurt Cook Much IMO

How he looked against Alabama is probably closer to how he'll look in the NFL than how he looked against Deep Valley State U

 

[Norg]

How he looked against Alabama is probably closer to how he'll look in the NFL than how he looked against Deep Valley State U

Not really

other then Cam the current crop of QB 's in the playoffs prob didn't have steller games against Bama

Carson
Wilson
Rodgers

Whoever the steelers QB Is
Brady
Smith
Manning

 

[thunderkyss]

I like Cook. But I've only watched 5 games or so over the last two seasons. I like what I see when I watch him play.

However I was shocked to see his completion percentage was so low. Consistently.

 

[infantrycak]

Not really

other then Cam the current crop of QB 's in the playoffs prob didn't have steller games against Bama

Carson
Wilson
Rodgers

Whoever the steelers QB Is
Brady
Smith
Manning

Probably? How about proving it?

 

[Corrosion]

I like Cook. But I've only watched 5 games or so over the last two seasons. I like what I see when I watch him play.

However I was shocked to see his completion percentage was so low. Consistently.

Accuracy .... or the lack of it.

That's a big part of the Texans offensive issues with Hoyerable under center. Cook like Hoyer throws a lot of balls in the general direction of the receivers rather than on time & in a catchable location.

 

[Grams]

I really have a hard time believing the Texans will draft a RB, much less a QB in the first round.

The only RB they drafted slightly higher was Tate (in the second round I believe). Looking at what we had this year in RB, they think they can get just anyone to carry the ball. They have had ample opportunities to get a QB high in the draft and always passed on them. Tho I am not a Bortles fan and after seeing Bridgewater in the playoff game, not a fan of his either. Bridgewater looks like Hoyer only younger, don't think they would have made the playoffs without AP and their defense. Think maybe they think Savage is the guy so that is why they protected him all year on IR for a 6 week recovery.

Think they will go with a WR or DB/Safety type, maybe an OL guy. But the OL was much better the second half of the year as the revolving door of players ended as some people got healthy and gelled with the rest of the line.

Some of you guys think they will trade up and get a QB. But that is what you want. When have the Texans ever done what the fans wanted in the draft?

I just have serious doubts that they will make a move in the first and trade up for anyone, much less a QB in the first.

 

[infantrycak]

I really have a hard time believing the Texans will draft a RB, much less a QB in the first round.

Carr 1st overall, then Schaub for the equivalent of a mid 1st. After that they thought they had their QB thru 2013. They should have perceived a need after Schaub's 2011 injury but didn't. So really the only time they have had a perceived need, an opportunity and passed was 2014. Don't know that you can draw some overall long term trend of not drafting QBs high.

Now it does fit into the picture of OB failing to address the position. I think that will be taken out of his hands this draft unless he goes along. The directive has gone out from McNair - find a QB.

 

[JB]

Not really

other then Cam the current crop of QB 's in the playoffs prob didn't have steller games against Bama

Carson
Wilson
Rodgers

Whoever the steelers QB Is
Brady
Smith
Manning

Probably and maybe? Your football IQ has yet to impress me. Back up your assertions with some concrete data... Show me that a proven current franchise QB had a sucky game against the eventual NC. On top of having a very questionable senior season...

 

[DocBar]

If the Texans do draft a QB in the 1st, I hope they don't stay at 22 and do it.
That's where Weeden, Quinn, Losman and Manziel were drafted.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...t-first-round-quarterbacks-drafted-since-2000

 

[Number19]

Looking at early top 150 big boards for the first time, this appears to be a bad year for needing offensive help - the top of the board seems to be heavily weighted towards defense. Where we're going to be picking, there seems to be a cluster of OT's and a smaller grouping of receivers. Very few RB's, TE's, OG's, and a hole between the first round QB's and the second round QB's.

This large cluster of OT talent, though, fits right in with my preference for upgrading our OL.

 

[Corrosion]

Looking at early top 150 big boards for the first time, this appears to be a bad year for needing offensive help - the top of the board seems to be heavily weighted towards defense. Where we're going to be picking, there seems to be a cluster of OT's and a smaller grouping of receivers. Very few RB's, TE's, OG's, and a hole between the first round QB's and the second round QB's.

This large cluster of OT talent, though, fits right in with my preference for upgrading our OL.

I'm all for upgrading the OL .... but didn't this season bookended by ass whooping's to the Chiefs teach us anything ?! Hoyer was responsible for 7 turnovers in those two games .... That's just not acceptable.

Quarterback Or Bust in the first round even if you have to move up to do it.

OT , RB , WR2 & TE can be found later or in FA .....

 

[kingtexan]

Wonder what we would have to give up to trade to the top pick and grab Joey Bosa? Can you imagine him and JJ on the same line?

No QB's in this draft jump out at me as sure fire prospects so we are going to hope we get a Brady like deal in the later rounds.

Make this defense KILLER for the next ten years.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm all for upgrading the OL .... but didn't this season bookended by ass whooping's to the Chiefs teach us anything ?! Hoyer was responsible for 7 turnovers in those two games .... That's just not acceptable.

Quarterback Or Bust in the first round even if you have to move up to do it.

OT , RB , WR2 & TE can be found later or in FA .....

I swear it's like some people on here are trying to find any excuse not to draft a QB. We have serviceable OTs. Not the best in the league but at least serviceable. We do not have a QB. Why upgrade OTs to protect a gaping hole?

 

[kingtexan]

I swear it's like some people on here are trying to find any excuse not to draft a QB. We have serviceable OTs. Not the best in the league but at least serviceable. We do not have a QB. Why upgrade OTs to protect a gaping hole?

I just dont see any first round QB's worth trading up to get or blowing the 22nd pick on if there is a better player on the board. I would rather take BPA at 22 then draft two or more QB's the rest of the draft and hope you hit on one. We have MANY gaping holes ...

 

[thunderkyss]

Accuracy .... or the lack of it.

That's a big part of the Texans offensive issues with Hoyerable under center. Cook like Hoyer throws a lot of balls in the general direction of the receivers rather than on time & in a catchable location.

I was surprised because I didn't see that in the games I watched. I remember a few that were "where only the receiver could get it" that weren't caught. But not enough to account for a sub 60% completion rate.

 

[MistaRed]

Sorry but I don't think any of these QBs are worth going crazy for either. My dream scenario would be Elliot round 1 Hackenberg round 2.

 

[thunderkyss]

I really have a hard time believing the Texans will draft a RB, much less a QB in the first round.

The only RB they drafted slightly higher was Tate (in the second round I believe).

There haven't been many running backs worth a first round pick in a long time. A big reason for that is that the game has changed. Like the FB, most teams have learned to live without an every down work horse style RB & for the most part, colleges haven't been producing them.

1st question I'd ask is, are the Texans the type of team that would use an every down work horse?

2nd quesrion, is there an every down work horse in the draft? & will he be there in the 2nd.

 

[infantrycak]

I just dont see any first round QB's worth trading up to get or blowing the 22nd pick on if there is a better player on the board. I would rather take BPA at 22 then draft two or more QB's the rest of the draft and hope you hit on one. We have MANY gaping holes ...

So your solution to 'we have many gaping holes' is to spend 2 picks on QBs instead of 1. Sound logic.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm all for upgrading the OL .... but didn't this season bookended by ass whooping's to the Chiefs teach us anything ?! Hoyer was responsible for 7 turnovers in those two games .... That's just not acceptable.

Quarterback Or Bust in the first round even if you have to move up to do it.

OT , RB , WR2 & TE can be found later or in FA .....

Maybe it showed us we aren't ready for a QB.

We're going to need a much better run game than we've got to win & teach a young QB at the same time.

Blue isn't "great" but we've seen what he can do when he "runs with a purpose" an upgrade would be great. But there are other problems as well.

Don't get me wrong. We need a new QB... we need coaches who could see what we saw in Brian Hoyer before taking the field.

I'm just saying, lots of lessons to be learned from being btch slapped by a the same mediocre team twice in the same season.

 

[Corrosion]

I swear it's like some people on here are trying to find any excuse not to draft a QB. We have serviceable OTs. Not the best in the league but at least serviceable. We do not have a QB. Why upgrade OTs to protect a gaping hole?

Well .... upgrading the OT's might give that scrub chucker about a half second more to decide which guy to chuck the ball in the general direction of .....

I just dont see any first round QB's worth trading up to get or blowing the 22nd pick on if there is a better player on the board. I would rather take BPA at 22 then draft two or more QB's the rest of the draft and hope you hit on one. We have MANY gaping holes ...

That one BIG gaping hole can mask many of the others if you do find the right guy .... and we wont find him if we don't take a swing.

Hell I can respect the Cleveland franchise more for taking their hacks and striking out than OB & Co who just bunt and get thrown out at first.

Maybe it showed us we aren't ready for a QB.


I'm just saying, lots of lessons to be learned from being btch slapped by a the same mediocre team twice in the same season.

7 turnovers accountable to the QB over those two games .... that's your starting point.

Then the inaccuracy .... and the poor timing. FFS this team couldn't execute simple screen plays or slant routes ....

Until you fix that position , you really cant evaluate the others effectively because of the negative impact that one guy has on the others.

 

[DocBar]

There haven't been many running backs worth a first round pick in a long time. A big reason for that is that the game has changed. Like the FB, most teams have learned to live without an every down work horse style RB & for the most part, colleges haven't been producing them.

1st question I'd ask is, are the Texans the type of team that would use an every down work horse?

2nd question, is there an every down work horse in the draft? & will he be there in the 2nd.

1. Yes. See Arian Foster, when healthy.
2. Why wouldn't you draft that stud RB 1 at 1.22? It's clearly a position of need and if that stud RB is high enough up your board, you should at least consider taking him.

 

[thunderkyss]

I swear it's like some people on here are trying to find any excuse not to draft a QB. We have serviceable OTs. Not the best in the league but at least serviceable. We do not have a QB. Why upgrade OTs to protect a gaping hole?

He was responding to a guy arguing we could get better OL talent than QB talent where we are picking. He didn't suggest we couldn't or shouldn't take a QB in the 2nd or 3rd.

Has your position shifted to drafting a QB in the first only, or are you still in the "first three rounds" club"

I know a lot of QBs are being talked into the first round right now; Wentz, Cook, Coker... though opinions are mixed, most would be fine if we took one of them in the first.

I wouldn't mind if we took one of them in the second, or third. It would be the same thing to me. A really good QB prospect.

 

[DocBar]

Well .... upgrading the OT's might give that scrub chucker about a half second more to decide which guy to chuck the ball in the general direction of .....





That one BIG gaping hole can mask many of the others if you do find the right guy .... and we wont find him if we don't take a swing.

Hell I can respect the Cleveland franchise more for taking their hacks and striking out than OB & Co who just bunt and get thrown out at first.



7 turnovers accountable to the QB over those two games .... that's your starting point.

Then the inaccuracy .... and the poor timing. FFS this team couldn't execute simple screen plays or slant routes ....

Until you fix that position , you really cant evaluate the others effectively because of the negative impact that one guy has on the others.

Swinging away almost guarantees an out while, oddly enough, a bunt can result in a base hit.

I find it odd that you can find respect for a franchise that is a perennial loser, not to mention complete dumpster fire, precisely because they've used the method you're ascribing to (pick a QB, any QB. Didn't work out? YOU'RE FIRED!!!) but none at all for a coach who at least appears to be more deliberate in his search and, by hook or by crook, has had two winning seasons in two years (with eleventythreehundred QB's under center) and one trip to the playoffs. I can understand being pissed about the 2014 draft, especially in hindsight, but there were a whole lot of really smart football people that agreed that Clowney was the safest pick at 1.1.

 

[Mollywhopper]

I've seen a lot of people comment on a trade up for a QB here likely costing too much. Would it though?

Trying to get in front of San Fran at 7 seems far too much, I agree. But say a QB (Goff will be gone, I like Wentz, a few like Lynch) you like is still on the board past Chicago at 11 ... what would the cost be to swap with NO at 12 and head off potential buyers Philly and LA ... ?

Well, going by the trade value chart (yes, I know, but do you have a better guideline for message board GM'ing?) shipping our 2nd and one of our 5ths to NO (12) would get us within a few points for a 1st round swap and quite possibly get-r-done.

So, is this a deal people here would be good with? We keep our 3rd, 4th, a 5th, and 7th this year and lose nothing in future drafts to get our hands on a potential franchise guy at the position we've all gone gray over for years now. This is assuming of course there's a QB you like, but would you (anyone) pull the trigger in that case?

Fwiw, I would. Gladly. Doing cartwheels. All the way to the podium.

 

[infantrycak]

He was responding to a guy arguing we could get better OL talent than QB talent where we are picking. He didn't suggest we couldn't or shouldn't take a QB in the 2nd or 3rd.

Has your position shifted to drafting a QB in the first only, or are you still in the "first three rounds" club"

The 1st 3 rounds comment was a general philosophy. In this particular draft I see no excuse for not getting a QB in the 1st. I think either 2 or 3 QBs will taken before our pick leaving the remainder available. I think if we want the 2nd QB he will be available thru a non-back breaking trade. Either route is fine with me.

Swinging away almost guarantees an out while, oddly enough, a bunt can result in a base hit.

Horse poo. Bunting as a philosophy guarantees losing. You have to swing to win.

This is exactly the kind of draft you pull a Joe Flacco out of at about our position.

I've seen a lot of people comment on a trade up for a QB here likely costing too much. Would it though?

Anything from 6 down is affordable IMO.

 

[thunderkyss]

1. Yes. See Arian Foster, when healthy.
2. Why wouldn't you draft that stud RB 1 at 1.22? It's clearly a position of need and if that stud RB is high enough up your board, you should at least consider taking him.

I think you have me confused. I'm saying if he's there, a team that leans heavily on their RB should & could draft him in the first.

Had Arian's last NCAA season been as good as the one peior, he'd have been in the 1st round discussion.

 

[WolverineFan]

Not really

other then Cam the current crop of QB 's in the playoffs prob didn't have steller games against Bama

Carson
Wilson
Rodgers

Whoever the steelers QB Is
Brady
Smith
Manning

Brady single-handedly beat Bama in the Orange Bowl his senior year.

 

[Number19]

I swear it's like some people on here are trying to find any excuse not to draft a QB. We have serviceable OTs. Not the best in the league but at least serviceable. We do not have a QB. Why upgrade OTs to protect a gaping hole?

You have an awfully short memory. Duane had a serious injury and surgery. According to Doc, in one study, only about 50% of players return to play in an NFL game. Here's Doc's post on Duane Brown's injury:

I knew that this wasn't going to be a "knee injury" per se as initially reported, because while on the ground face down, he was repeatedly flexing his lower legs up and down quickly. That's why I initially (and wrongfully) thought he had sustained a leg fracture. However, I really didn't entertain the quad tendon since it is typically a much older person's injury.

That said, Brown's injury unfortunately cannot be considered a benign one. Distal quadriceps tendon tears are quite uncommon injuries, especially in the NFL, since you usually don't see these injuries in patient younger than 40. Surprisingly these are typically isolated injuries that are not associated with knee ligament or cartilage trauma. It was originally felt that if NFL players were repaired "immediately," they would be assured of returning to play in the future. However, a 2013 study published in The American Journal of Sports Medicine put a damper on expectations, leaving these players a guarded prognosis. All but 3 player of the 14 players in the study sustained a complete rupture........all underwent surgical repair.......including 1 of the players that sustained the partial tear for which an original attempt at nonsurgical conservative treatment failed. A successful outcome was defined as returning to play in regular-season NFL games. Only 50% of players returned to play in regular season NFL games......certainly a low rate of return. There was a trend toward early draft rounds for those who successfully returned to play. For those who did return to play, the average number of games after injury was 40.9 (range, 12-92).

All of our hopes are for Brown's return next. However, his return (~6-8 month rehab) does have some significant challenges.

Going into the draft, we have to assume he will not return; and if he is able to return, there still remains the question of his effectiveness and how much longer he would have.

 

[infantrycak]

You have an awfully short memory. Duane had a serious injury and surgery. According to Doc, in one study, only about 50% of players return to play in an NFL game. Here's Doc's post on Duane Brown's injury:

Going into the draft, we have to assume he will not return; and if he is able to return, there still remains the question of his effectiveness and how much longer he would have.

I remember just fine. And OT still is nowhere near aa big a need as QB.

 

[WolverineFan]

I understand the people who are saying we need help at OT, RB, S, etc. Yes we need "help". We don't need "help" at QB. We need a QB. It's an entirely different level of need and it's something that has to be addressed after years and years of ignoring it.

It's a fact that not everyone is going to be happy with how they address it, whether it be trading a ton of picks or drafting a prospect that you don't like, but take comfort in the fact that (if they do draft a QB) then they are at least finally addressing the issue instead of ignoring it. Even if the kid busts it's still a step in the right direction for an organization that has put a baffling lack of resources into the most important position in all of sports.

 

[powda]

Going into the draft, we have to assume he will not return; and if he is able to return, there still remains the question of his effectiveness and how much longer he would have.

We'll have a better idea of his injury status by the draft. I have to wonder though just when exactly do people plan to address the qb problem?

Even if we draft the right qb this year there's a learning curve. To me drafting a rookie qb is more an investment in 2017 then 2016. It's likely going to take a season plus to start paying off. So if you want to hold off another offseason i wouldn't expect qb results till 2018 at the earliest. Just what will the state of our defense be by then?

It's time to quit pussyfooting and get our qb like we should have the last 2 off-seasons. If our Lt position is needy we can compensate in other ways (line shifts, te's, rb chips, roll outs to the opposite side, etc.) It sounds like your fixing a projected problem rather than fixing a known issue.

 

[HTownandDown]

Although drafting a qb in the first round would be great, I really believe drafting a stud tackle would be the best option. Get someone to play RT. Newton is average at best. Duane Brown is getting older. Coach up a tackle for a season or two, then switch Duane to RT and have the stud play on the left side. There are some QB options in FA that are better than Hoyer. Look at our play in the first half of the season, it was horrible. Half our o line was injured. When everyone was healthy, we turn our season around. In the playoff game, we were missing DB and Hoyer was afraid to get hit resulting in turnovers. We could have the best QB in the NFL, without a decent O line his play will be average. This QB in the first round talk leads me to expect another David Carr situation.

 

[dalemurphy]

I wont even know what to hope for in the draft (especially at QB and RB), until we see what happens in free agency and potentially in trades this March. Based on how this season developed and what McNair has been saying, I am expecting to see off-season urgency similar to 2011 (Wade Phillips, JJo). In this case, however, the Texans are in better cap shape and will focus on upgrading the offense instead of the defense.

We could see a trade for Cutler, Stafford, Tannehill... Or Free agent pursuit of: Bradford, Cousins, etc... I actually expect something rather dramatic to happen before the draft (we did it in 2007 with schaub and supposedly have had talks about Peyton Manning in previous years).

 

[Mollywhopper]

Although drafting a qb in the first round would be great, I really believe drafting a stud tackle would be the best option. Get someone to play RT. Newton is average at best. Duane Brown is getting older. Coach up a tackle for a season or two, then switch Duane to RT and have the stud play on the left side. There are some QB options in FA that are better than Hoyer. Look at our play in the first half of the season, it was horrible. Half our o line was injured. When everyone was healthy, we turn our season around. In the playoff game, we were missing DB and Hoyer was afraid to get hit resulting in turnovers. We could have the best QB in the NFL, without a decent O line his play will be average. This QB in the first round talk leads me to expect another David Carr situation.

Which FA target are you thinking of specifically so as to not draft an early round QB?

 

[dalemurphy]

Which FA target are you thinking of specifically so as to not draft an early round QB?

There are so many potential variables. What if they signed Bradford...then traded their 2nd and 5th round picks away for a 2017 1st round pick, realizing they dont like this crop of Qbs but have their eye on some guys in 2017.

Or, perhaps they trade for Stafford.

Who knows? I will be furious if they dont upgrade at QB. But, I dont want them to draft a Qb early if they dont believe in the guy. To me, that seems foolish.

 

[HTownandDown]

Which FA target are you thinking of specifically so as to not draft an early round QB?

If you're asking who is better than Hoyer, I can name a few. But I would just hope that Kaepernick is released. He is young, been to those playoff games we are hoping to get to. The guy losses his coach, half his defense, his running back, is learning a new offense, and he gets benched. I feel he is the best option. Good QB for OB and D Hop. Sign Kaeperninck, get a TE than can at least catch a cold, and we are the playoff team we all want sooner rather than later. A rookie could get us there eventually, but at that point, watt and D hop are on the back end of their primes. Cush and J Jo will be old. Our defense could not be at the level of play that is is now.

 

[Mollywhopper]

There are so many potential variables. What if they signed Bradford...then traded their 2nd and 5th round picks away for a 2017 1st round pick, realizing they dont like this crop of Qbs but have their eye on some guys in 2017.

Or, perhaps they trade for Stafford.

Who knows? I will be furious if they dont upgrade at QB. But, I dont want them to draft a Qb early if they dont believe in the guy. To me, that seems foolish.

Sam Bradford and/or a mystery 2017 1st round pick of guys with full seasons yet to play (costing a 2nd and 5th this year) ...

... or Matt Stafford in a trade? Personally, no thanks.

I get you're point though, and I don't want them to take someone they don't believe in either. But haven't we heard that for two offseasons now? Will a third be excusable?

If you're asking who is better than Hoyer, I can name a few. But I would just hope that Kaepernick is released. He is young, been to those playoff games we are hoping to get to. The guy losses his coach, half his defense, his running back, is learning a new offense, and he gets benched. I feel he is the best option. Good QB for OB and D Hop. Sign Kaeperninck, get a TE than can at least catch a cold, and we are the playoff team we all want sooner rather than later. A rookie could get us there eventually, but at that point, watt and D hop are on the back end of their primes. Cush and J Jo will be old. Our defense could not be at the level of play that is is now.

I'm not asking you to name someone better than Hoyer. That's not difficult, and it's a rather low standard that I hope the club doesn't settle for. Glad you mentioned Kaepernick though as I think he'd be a good example of that low standard. We should want to develop better than a guy who's limited in the pocket and limited in terms of reading defenses. We shouldn't aim for simply better than Hoyer. That's what Cleveland has done.

 

[MistaRed]

Kaep isn't going anywhere. Chip Kelly wanted to trade for him last year. Now that he's the coach of the Niners I highly doubt he gets released.

 

[HTownandDown]

Sam Bradford and/or a mystery 2017 1st round pick of guys with full seasons yet to play (costing a 2nd and 5th this year) ...

... or Matt Stafford in a trade? Personally, no thanks.

I get you're point though, and I don't want them to take someone they don't believe in either. But haven't we heard that for two offseasons now? Will a third be excusable?



I'm not asking you to name someone better than Hoyer. That's not difficult, and it's a rather low standard that I hope the club doesn't settle for. Glad you mentioned Kaepernick though as I think he'd be a good example of that low standard. We should want to develop better than a guy who's limited in the pocket and limited in terms of reading defenses. We shouldn't aim for simply better than Hoyer. That's what Cleveland has done.

Good luck taking a Qb at 22 and expect him to take us to playoffs. Which is also what Cleavland does. Execpt Cleavland gets better picks than 22 because they cant make it to playoffs with their low standard quarterbacks.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Good luck taking a Qb at 22 and expect him to take us to playoffs. Which is also what Cleavland does.

We won't need any luck picking at 22 if we A) move up from 22, as that's allowable, or B) ID a suitable guy at 22. It has certainly happened before. Watch closely this weekend and you'll see a few teams who've done it before still playing bonus football.

And no, Cleveland picks poorly, which is why they are always picking again and again. That's what Cleveland does. I will give them at least a tiny bit of credit for even taking the bat off their shoulders. We just take pitch after pitch, which is what it sounds like some fans are all too happy to do too.

 

[HTownandDown]

Sam Bradford and/or a mystery 2017 1st round pick of guys with full seasons yet to play (costing a 2nd and 5th this year) ...

... or Matt Stafford in a trade? Personally, no thanks.

I get you're point though, and I don't want them to take someone they don't believe in either. But haven't we heard that for two offseasons now? Will a third be excusable?



I'm not asking you to name someone better than Hoyer. That's not difficult, and it's a rather low standard that I hope the club doesn't settle for. Glad you mentioned Kaepernick though as I think he'd be a good example of that low standard. We should want to develop better than a guy who's limited in the pocket and limited in terms of reading defenses. We shouldn't aim for simply better than Hoyer. That's what Cleveland has done.

Also, I guess Kaep had some trouble reading defense in that final drive of the superbowl. Seemed to do well in the rest of the playoffs though. Just a thought. Ill take that "low standard"

 

[HTownandDown]

We won't need any luck picking at 22 if we A) move up from 22, as that's allowable, or B) ID a suitable guy at 22. It has certainly happened before. Watch closely this weekend and you'll see a few teams who've done it before still playing bonus football.

And no, Cleveland picks poorly, which is why they are always picking again and again. That's what Cleveland does. I will give them at least a tiny bit of credit for even taking the bat off their shoulders. We just take pitch after pitch, which is what it sounds like some fans are all too happy to do too.

Maybe we will use our skilled picking strategy and swimg the bat at a Andrew Luck or a Russel Wilson. Since luck has nothing to do with drafting first round QBs. Even though Russel was a third rounder and no one expected him to take the job his rookie season in camp. The only team I see in "bonus" football that had a rookie take them to playoffs is the Redskins, who are starting a different QB. Im guessing you dont like RG3 either.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Also, I guess Kaep had some trouble reading defense in that final drive of the superbowl. Seemed to do well in the rest of the playoffs though. Just a thought. Ill take that "low standard"

Yes, he seemed to get figured out after his first trip through the league. Which is no different than a lot of concepts that defenses adjust their rush to and neutralize. How have things gone for him since he's been confined to try and make plays from the pocket?

 

[Brandon420tx]

I think alot of people are overlooking the fact that this season had more backups start than any other season before. Throughout the league right now many QB positions aren't locked in stone, I really feel like more QBs will be drafted this year than in recent history, and even earlier than they would have been over the last few drafts.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Maybe we will use our skilled picking strategy and swimg the bat at a Andrew Luck or a Russel Wilson. Since luck has nothing to do with drafting first round QBs. Even though Russel was a third rounder and no one expected him to take the job his rookie season in camp. The only team I see in "bonus" football that had a rookie take them to playoffs is the Redskins, who are starting a different QB. Im guessing you dont like RG3 either.

This is all over the place.

But yes, I don't like RG3. I like quarterbacks who consistently make accurate throws from the pocket.