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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

I think Weeden is actually a good fit for this team. He has a natural gun in his arm, and that's something that can't be taught. On a team with a good defense like the Texans have, I think Weeden can easily be the answer. I'd love to see the team bring in another deep threat for Weeden to throw long to.

Remember, when Josh Gordon wasn't suspended in Cleveland, he was setting receiving yardage records with Weeden throwing to him. Weeden even threw a 98-yard TD pass to Gordon out of the back of the end zone!
 
Weeden looks so much better than Hoyer. At least he can hit a receiver in stride instead of the receiver having to wait for Hoyer's ball or have to come back for it,
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't expect anyone to care, and to have some "Bye Felicia's" thrown at me......

But if the Texans went into next year with that QB group, I'd just stop paying attention to them at all.

Going into the season with that group at QB would tell me the Texans simply don't give a F*ck.
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The organization just may have a developmental plan/strategy different from your liking. That's all. Savage was OB's pick in his first draft, over all other prospects. He had a reason for doing so and I'm willing to see how it plays out this next season. If need be, 2017 is when I would target a top 10 QB. It generally takes more than two drafts to rebuild a team and that's what we're doing with the hiring of OB.
 
Number19 said:
The organization just may have a developmental plan/strategy different from your liking. That's all. Savage was OB's pick in his first draft, over all other prospects. He had a reason for doing so and I'm willing to see how it plays out this next season. If need be, 2017 is when I would target a top 10 QB. It generally takes more than two drafts to rebuild a team and that's what we're doing with the hiring of OB.
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It's cool.

We just have different perspectives on it.

No one would miss me. Texans machine would still rage on.

But I wouldn't pay them any mind if they decided that after bringing in Fitz, trading him and bringing in Hoyer...failing miserably...

And then the third year to have Savage (who they didn't think was good enough to even compete for the back up spot this year), Weeden, and Yates being the QB trio ?

I'd be done for the year before it started. Add in Hoyer to that trio and I would probably just try to find another team to root for casually.
 
Number19 said:
The organization just may have a developmental plan/strategy different from your liking. That's all. Savage was OB's pick in his first draft, over all other prospects. He had a reason for doing so and I'm willing to see how it plays out this next season. If need be, 2017 is when I would target a top 10 QB. It generally takes more than two drafts to rebuild a team and that's what we're doing with the hiring of OB.
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Getting QB in 17 means no QB starting until 2018 more than likely.
 
badboy said:
Getting QB in 17 means no QB starting until 2018 more than likely.
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That's certainly possible. But in 2017, and 2018, OB would have three QB's that he would have drafted (2014, 2016 & 2017) competing for the starting position. It would also be his fifth season. If he doesn't have his winning QB by then, it's good-bye.

But I'm not as negative on Savage and Weeden.
 
Number19 said:
That's certainly possible. But in 2017, and 2018, OB would have three QB's that he would have drafted (2014, 2016 & 2017) competing for the starting position. It would also be his fifth season. If he doesn't have his winning QB by then, it's good-bye.
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My eyes burn for having read this.
 
I say Savage gets every chance to compete outright for the starting gig along with whatever hand selected rookie qb OB chooses regardless of round. We can then let hoyer walk, and resign someone like weeden or yates as our emergency option if all hell breaks loose
 
Lucky said:
What I will say is, I don't really care how O'Brien fixes the QB position. As long as it's fixed. If he wants to try Savage, sign RG3, draft Hackenberg and give him the job as a rookie...fine. I don't care.

As long as his arse is on the line for the results. Because the results have to be there in 2016. I like O'Brien. I really do. I like the attitude this team has now. What I don't like is his stubbornness. And what I really don't like is how he has bumbled the QB position his 1st two seasons. Had O'Brien addressed the position from the jump, the Texans would be ready to roll in 2016. So he doesn't get the benefit of another two seasons to sort this out.

2016 or bust, Bill.
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What kind of results are we talking about? One minute you say "as long as it's fixed." then you're saying "2016 or bust, Bill."

So if we have a QB with Black Bortles numbers all season, but miss the play offs at 7-9 we're good.

Or if we have three QBs play similar to what we had this season but win 10 or 11 games we're good?

Chances are we'll be running the ball better in 2016, either we get Arian back or we get a stud RT, or both.

Personally, I don't care about the QB position. It'll work itself out. As long as we're winning. & I hate O'Brien. But if we continue to win without a QB, that just makes me more excited to see what will happen when he does find his QB.


Number19 said:
The organization just may have a developmental plan/strategy different from your liking. That's all. Savage was OB's pick in his first draft, over all other prospects. He had a reason for doing so and I'm willing to see how it plays out this next season. If need be, 2017 is when I would target a top 10 QB. It generally takes more than two drafts to rebuild a team and that's what we're doing with the hiring of OB.
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If that was their plan all along, I'd have to give them props for having the 'nads for sticking with it. I'm sure Savage can play somewhere in that group; Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr... McCarron. But as we can see with Bortles & Carr (the statistic leaders of the bunch) that's not necessarily good enough to win.

I've got nothing against Weeden & wouldn't mind if he's on the team next season. But not in place of a rookie from this class. Goff, Lynch, Cook, Wentz, Coker... Savage should be competing against one of those guys. & if for whatever reason Weeden is still the best choice in OB's eyes, then Weeden better come out the gate looking like Carson Palmer. OB has no room for error, his next guy can't be the joke Brian Hoyer was.
 
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I'm neutral on Weeden; he certainly should have to win a spot on the roster. But I can't overlook the numbers. Coming out of college he had the tangibles and intangibles to be rated a low first or high second. The Chronicle had his stats with the Texans, this morning. He was 26 for 52; with 305 yards, 3 TDs and no INTs and a QB rating of 107.7. He won two games.

Next season will be his 5th and he'll be at his maximum potential and should have 3 or 4 years left at this level. I feel the Texans should not ignor this bird in hand. He's the veteran we need to push Savage and I think the #1 pick can be put to more immediate needs. We should draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th. I would'nt, but we could even bring Yates into camp for an additional look see.
 
I feel the same way about Weeden as Number19. Maybe a little more optimistic than that but close. I think he's probably at the point where he gets a shot to prove that Cleveland and Dallas were both circumstances beyond his control. Cleveland is..... well, "Cleveland" and we all know how little he had to work with there as well as what they do with rookie QB's ("Get out there and win the division son. Go get em'!") and in Dallas he played good enough to win in most of their games but didn't. We saw that with Keenum in a few games back in 2013 and it's part of the reason for his lingering support around here. Finally in Houston with a defense doing its part he stepped up and did his. He won the games he was sent into.

I go to camp with Weeden, Savage, Yates maybe, and a rookie from this class. Best one we can get our hands on.

It's a nice competition. Weeden is a challenge. Savage would have to beat him out of the job (and vice-versa) but neither one presents an insurmountable challenge. Savage has the time in the system now but no playing experience. Weeden has games under his belt and seems to be improving. The rookie isn't going to play unless he just comes in catches fire but even then he's more likely to sit a year anyway. Yates may not make the team but he's on speed-dial for most of the season unless the Bengals sign him just to get him off the market.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't expect anyone to care, and to have some "Bye Felicia's" thrown at me......

But if the Texans went into next year with that QB group, I'd just stop paying attention to them at all.

Going into the season with that group at QB would tell me the Texans simply don't give a F*ck.
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I don't know about not paying any attention at all, but I certainly wouldn't have much of an emotional tie to the team. Honestly, this season was sort of the beginning. I enjoyed Hard Knocks, but knew it'd have a negative affect on the season. Which I was sorta ok with given the QBs we were rolling out for 2015. I didn't expect the defense to come out of the gate lying face down ass up, but figured the offense would blow.

I'll keep track of the off-season and see how things go. But, come July/August and that SOB is whining about how Houston needs to respect and rally behind the same sort of crap corps of QBs as last year I'll be following by highlights and box scores. Or as Thorn would say, "they can kiss my ass".
 
So as not to derail the other thread, I'm bringing this here.


Texian said:
In the case of Jake Coker I think you find the records show I did not even mention him until the middle of November. I said I thought he could be a diamond in the rough. I said after watching the Ole Miss and Tenn games he had caught my eye, I started a Coker thread and I put him on the watch list. I suggest let's see what he does in the Iron Bowl, SEC Championship and the playoffs. He did not disappoint. Many have pointed out that he's inexperienced and that is true in actual games started and played. Will that effect is first year or two in the NFL? It could. It also suggest that he will be much better than he is now with more experience. Will that effect his NFL years 3 thru 15? It will not. It wasn't until January, this week, that I suggested Jake Coker as the Texans first RD pick.
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I asked this question in a round-a-bout way in your mock thread. If we were able to get Coker much later, say 4th or 5th round, would that be a steal for the Texans? You answered that you didn't believe he'll be around in the 4th, much less later... which wasn't the point.

A lot of what you said here can be applied to Tom Savage.

I agree that we shouldn't hang our hopes on Tom Savage becoming a franchise player, but because he didn't have a chance to play & he impressed some (hopefully O'b & Smith) that it was worth the flyer of a pick we used to get him. But if Tom is "O'bs guy" & he feels really strong about him, then I'm excited about what might be. Same as you would be if we got Coker for a compensatory 4th, right?

Of course, Savage wasn't my guy. Just saying maybe he was O'bs
 
thunderkyss said:
So as not to derail the other thread, I'm bringing this here.




I asked this question in a round-a-bout way in your mock thread. If we were able to get Coker much later, say 4th or 5th round, would that be a steal for the Texans? You answered that you didn't believe he'll be around in the 4th, much less later... which wasn't the point.

A lot of what you said here can be applied to Tom Savage.

I agree that we shouldn't hang our hopes on Tom Savage becoming a franchise player, but because he didn't have a chance to play & he impressed some (hopefully O'b & Smith) that it was worth the flyer of a pick we used to get him. But if Tom is "O'bs guy" & he feels really strong about him, then I'm excited about what might be. Same as you would be if we got Coker for a compensatory 4th, right?

Of course, Savage wasn't my guy. Just saying maybe he was O'bs
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First to be be perfectly clear, in no way do I think Savage can be the QB that Coker can be. Two Savage is OB's guy because OB needed a QB in the worst way and Savage was the best of table scraps that were left over. OB failed to go QB early (like Belichick did) like you need to do for better chances at a decent QB. Three Fitzpatrick was then wasn't, Mallet and Hoyer are OB guys and that makes a lot of people very nervous.
 
Texian said:
...Savage is OB's guy because OB needed a QB in the worst way and Savage was the best of table scraps that were left over. OB failed to go QB early ...
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Why? We don't know. But, given the short time he had to analyze the team and the draft prospects, he felt comfortable in not choosing a QB earlier and liked the talent level that would be available in the mid-rounds. If he felt he needed a QB "in the worst way", he wouldn't have waited.
 
Texian said:
First to be be perfectly clear, in no way do I think Savage can be the QB that Coker can be. Two Savage is OB's guy because OB needed a QB in the worst way and Savage was the best of table scraps that were left over. OB failed to go QB early (like Belichick did) like you need to do for better chances at a decent QB. Three Fitzpatrick was then wasn't, Mallet and Hoyer are OB guys and that makes a lot of people very nervous.
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Like I said, Savage wasn't my guy.

If you're right & O'b drafted him because they thought he was the best of what was left I'm going to notch another fail on him. Not taking a QB there would have been better.

I like to think he's OB's guy because there were still guys on the board that I liked.
 
Number19 said:
Why? We don't know. But, given the short time he had to analyze the team and the draft prospects, he felt comfortable in not choosing a QB earlier and liked the talent level that would be available in the mid-rounds. If he felt he needed a QB "in the worst way", he wouldn't have waited.
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This is excuse making in the worst way. It took 0.0 secs to know the team had zero starting QBs. After that you needed to evaluate, stretching it, 8 players - which very quickly would have become 5 in that draft.
 
Didn't Ob say that all the QBs from that draft class were rated the same to him?
I don't see how that is now being misconstrued as "the best of table scraps that were left over". Sounds like a personal spin to me.
 
infantrycak said:
This is excuse making in the worst way. It took 0.0 secs to know the team had zero starting QBs. After that you needed to evaluate, stretching it, 8 players - which very quickly would have become 5 in that draft.
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What I'm saying is that, having taken Clowney in the first and having evaluated the prospects, OB and Smith decided not to draft a QB in the second or third rounds; and selected Savage in the fourth over several other well thought of prospects. The way these decisions went down does not leave the impression that we "needed a QB in the worst way and Savage was the best of the table scraps that were left...".
 
PapaL said:
Didn't Ob say that all the QBs from that draft class were rated the same to him?
I don't see how that is now being misconstrued as "the best of table scraps that were left over". Sounds like a personal spin to me.
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He sure as hell did....
O'Brien told Wyche that part of the difficulty is there aren't huge differences in talent between the presumed top three quarterbacks and the rest of the prospects.

"I think the thing is, to me, there's not a lot of separation," O'Brien said when asked if any player was worth of the No. 1 overall pick. "And there are more quarterbacks than just three. Obviously the three guys that everybody talks about -- Blake (Bortles), Teddy (Bridgewater) and Johnny (Manziel). They're good players. They've had great college careers.

"But there are other guys out there. You've got (AJ) McCarron. You've got (Zach) Mettenberger. You've gotLogan Thomas. You've got (Tom) Savage. You've got (Jimmy) Garoppolo. I mean, I can go right down the list. To me, you've got 10 to 12 guys you've got to do a great job of evaluating and make the best pick possible wherever you pick these guys.

"So, I just see a lot of good quarterbacks. All of the guys have potential, which is a dangerous word, and you're trying to make sure you're doing what's best for your organization -- what fits best for your organization when you make that pick of a quarterback."
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Number19 said:
What I'm saying is that, having taken Clowney in the first and having evaluated the prospects, OB and Smith decided not to draft a QB in the second or third rounds; and selected Savage in the fourth over several other well thought of prospects. The way these decisions went down does not leave the impression that we "needed a QB in the worst way and Savage was the best of the table scraps that were left...".
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So you're saying that was the correct call???
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
It's cool.

We just have different perspectives on it.

No one would miss me. Texans machine would still rage on.

But I wouldn't pay them any mind if they decided that after bringing in Fitz, trading him and bringing in Hoyer...failing miserably...

And then the third year to have Savage (who they didn't think was good enough to even compete for the back up spot this year), Weeden, and Yates being the QB trio ?

I'd be done for the year before it started. Add in Hoyer to that trio and I would probably just try to find another team to root for casually.
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I understand the feeling. While I would still follow the team and keep on cheering with a lot of crying and wondering why I stopped drinking, I can understand your point. I don't see anyway that we should think Savage, Weeden and Yates address the position. Savage is the only one in that group with "some" possibility of unknown potential. We saw a whopping couple of games from Weeden and suddenly dismiss the dozens of games he has under his belt as if coming here just suddenly struck something inside of him. Yates was sitting at home on a couch and got a call and now suddenly he is capable of competing for a starting franchise QB spot when he couldn't even nail a backup one? Really?

If they wish to bring them to compete with someone else, sure, that sounds all good. But relying on your answer to be in that three is a tad short of idiotic and sounds like the same recipe we've already been trying. Trying a bunch of backup QB's and going for the one that doesn't stink the most.
 
ObsiWan said:
So you're saying that was the correct call???
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For that year, yes. I've been arguing that Savage was OB's QB to develop and start several years down the road. The big question is whether OB, after two training camps, still feels that Savage can be our QB going forward from the 2015 QB meltdown. I've basically been taking the position that I'm satisfied with whatever decision the organization makes, but I personally am comfortable drafting a QB in the mid-rounds and going into next season with Savage, or Weenen, our starter.
 
deucetx said:
I understand the feeling. While I would still follow the team and keep on cheering with a lot of crying and wondering why I stopped drinking, I can understand your point. I don't see anyway that we should think Savage, Weeden and Yates address the position. Savage is the only one in that group with "some" possibility of unknown potential. We saw a whopping couple of games from Weeden and suddenly dismiss the dozens of games he has under his belt as if coming here just suddenly struck something inside of him. Yates was sitting at home on a couch and got a call and now suddenly he is capable of competing for a starting franchise QB spot when he couldn't even nail a backup one? Really?

If they wish to bring them to compete with someone else, sure, that sounds all good. But relying on your answer to be in that three is a tad short of idiotic and sounds like the same recipe we've already been trying. Trying a bunch of backup QB's and going for the one that doesn't stink the most.
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I'm not sold on any of the QB's, but Weeden got a raw deal with the Browns (just like any other QB not named Johnny Football, who paid the Browns back by screwing them) and performed well with the Cowboys. He also looked pretty good after just 1 month in OB's offense, limited though it was. I'm willing to give him a shot behind a good OL and with better weapons than he had in Cleveland, or most of his time in Dallas. I guess if it was my decision, I like Savage/Weeden/Yates better than I do the 2016 draft class of QB's. I'm not sold on any of them, and neither are the experts. I haven't heard anything resembling the hype of Andrew Luck, RGIII, etc... 2016 has a best QB in the draft, but that doesn't make him a good or great NFL QB. Kinda like being the tallest midget or smartest retard. Politically incorrect, but fits the scenario. I apologize if I offended anyone.
 
deucetx said:
I understand the feeling. While I would still follow the team and keep on cheering with a lot of crying and wondering why I stopped drinking, I can understand your point. I don't see anyway that we should think Savage, Weeden and Yates address the position. Savage is the only one in that group with "some" possibility of unknown potential. We saw a whopping couple of games from Weeden and suddenly dismiss the dozens of games he has under his belt as if coming here just suddenly struck something inside of him. Yates was sitting at home on a couch and got a call and now suddenly he is capable of competing for a starting franchise QB spot when he couldn't even nail a backup one? Really?

If they wish to bring them to compete with someone else, sure, that sounds all good. But relying on your answer to be in that three is a tad short of idiotic and sounds like the same recipe we've already been trying. Trying a bunch of backup QB's and going for the one that doesn't stink the most.
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I'm not sold on any of the QB's, but Weeden got a raw deal with the Browns (just like any other QB not named Johnny Football, who paid the Browns back by screwing them) and performed well with the Cowboys. He also looked pretty good after just 1 month in OB's offense, limited though it was. I'm willing to give him a shot behind a good OL and with better weapons than he had in Cleveland, or most of his time in Dallas. I guess if it was my decision, I like Savage/Weeden/Yates better than I do the 2016 draft class of QB's. I'm not sold on any of them, and neither are the experts. I haven't heard anything resembling the hype of Andrew Luck, RGIII, etc... 2016 has a best QB in the draft, but that doesn't make him a good or great NFL QB. Kinda like being the tallest midget or smartest retard. Politically incorrect, but fits the scenario. I apologize if I offended anyone.
 
DocBar said:
I'm not sold on any of the QB's, but Weeden got a raw deal with the Browns (just like any other QB not named Johnny Football, who paid the Browns back by screwing them) and performed well with the Cowboys. He also looked pretty good after just 1 month in OB's offense, limited though it was. I'm willing to give him a shot behind a good OL and with better weapons than he had in Cleveland, or most of his time in Dallas. I guess if it was my decision, I like Savage/Weeden/Yates better than I do the 2016 draft class of QB's. I'm not sold on any of them, and neither are the experts. I haven't heard anything resembling the hype of Andrew Luck, RGIII, etc... 2016 has a best QB in the draft, but that doesn't make him a good or great NFL QB. Kinda like being the tallest midget or smartest retard. Politically incorrect, but fits the scenario. I apologize if I offended anyone.
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This class seems like it is being talked about in higher regards than the 2014 draft. I think both drafts are similar where there is depth at the position, but no sure fire franchise guys. Seems like its one or the other, a franchise caliber QB or 2 comes out and the rest of the class is awful or their are no must have guys, but good depth through the qb position
 
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This class seems like it is being talked about in higher regards than the 2014 draft. I think both drafts are similar where there is depth at the position, but no sure fire franchise guys. Seems like its one or the other, a franchise caliber QB or 2 comes out and the rest of the class is awful or their are no must have guys, but good depth through the qb position
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With that kind of talent level, do you take a flyer in the 1st two rounds or take BPA in the draft? Mty position is BPA, and hopefully that BPA is at a position of need.
 
DocBar said:
With that kind of talent level, do you take a flyer in the 1st two rounds or take BPA in the draft? Mty position is BPA, and hopefully that BPA is at a position of need.
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Id go BPA but with and emphasis pointing towards need. Obviously if the BPA on our board is a corner, but say we have Zieke rated as the next best and he is still left do you take the corner even though our top 3 spots are already covered and we have good depth behind them, or do you take the RB that you really need?
 
Shishkabob said:
Id go BPA but with and emphasis pointing towards need. Obviously if the BPA on our board is a corner, but say we have Zieke rated as the next best and he is still left do you take the corner even though our top 3 spots are already covered and we have good depth behind them, or do you take the RB that you really need?
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I take the running back. The Texans have decent DB depth.
 
DocBar said:
I'm not sold on any of the QB's, but Weeden got a raw deal with the Browns (just like any other QB not named Johnny Football, who paid the Browns back by screwing them) and performed well with the Cowboys. He also looked pretty good after just 1 month in OB's offense, limited though it was. I'm willing to give him a shot behind a good OL and with better weapons than he had in Cleveland, or most of his time in Dallas. I guess if it was my decision, I like Savage/Weeden/Yates better than I do the 2016 draft class of QB's. I'm not sold on any of them, and neither are the experts. I haven't heard anything resembling the hype of Andrew Luck, RGIII, etc... 2016 has a best QB in the draft, but that doesn't make him a good or great NFL QB. Kinda like being the tallest midget or smartest retard. Politically incorrect, but fits the scenario. I apologize if I offended anyone.
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You're right about not hearing the same "hype" you heard about Luck and RG3, but even RG3 came with questions about his durability in the NFL due to his size and playing style. As for Luck, that's a once in 10 to 20 year prospect with all the tools (a "no brainer" pick), so I don't expect any of the same hype for the QB's coming out in this years class. They all have "warts" of some type, but that doesn't mean all of them will be no good and aren't worth taking a chance on. I like Savage too and I hope they give him a chance this season to play just to see if he can be "the guy," but that doesn't mean they shouldn't take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. If Savage or Weeden beat out the draft prospect in TC that's OK. He can sit on the bench and learn while we see what we have in Savage or Weeden. Then, if Savage or Weeden is "the guy," at least they still have someone waiting in the wings being groomed or used as possible trade bait down the road. If Savage or Weeden aren't "the guy" then you have a prospect waiting and hopefully ready to go so you don't have to go digging around the FA "trash heap" to find some other's cast offs again.
 
Insideop said:
You're right about not hearing the same "hype" you heard about Luck and RG3, but even RG3 came with questions about his durability in the NFL due to his size and playing style. As for Luck, that's a once in 10 to 20 year prospect with all the tools (a "no brainer" pick), so I don't expect any of the same hype for the QB's coming out in this years class. They all have "warts" of some type, but that doesn't mean all of them will be no good and aren't worth taking a chance on. I like Savage too and I hope they give him a chance this season to play just to see if he can be "the guy," but that doesn't mean they shouldn't take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round.
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Agreed.

However, I really need to stay out of these QB discussions, because I'm not seeing things the way the "experts" are. If we were to add Cook or Hogan to our team, I'd be very happy. Regardless what round we got them in. As a matter of fact, I'd think my GM did a better job, the later he was able to get them.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed.

However, I really need to stay out of these QB discussions, because I'm not seeing things the way the "experts" are. If we were to add Cook or Hogan to our team, I'd be very happy. Regardless what round we got them in. As a matter of fact, I'd think my GM did a better job, the later he was able to get them.
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TK, I'm no QB "expert" either and only go by what I've seen and read about certain prospects. I do think this draft has some good prospects in that can be developed. Will they turn out like Aaron Rodgers? Who knows, but the Texans have to make that investment and take that chance and stop digging around in other teams "leftovers." I know a lot of the fans want some kind of guarantee that BOB/Rick will pick the right QB, but this is the NFL, there are no guarantees! Especially when drafting a QB. Manning or Luck were the closest I can recall, but you have to be lucky enough to have the top pick when someone like that is available (Hmm, maybe there is something to that "horseshoe!").

I will say this, I do remember that prior to the 2014 Draft, BOB would go and look at some of the QB prospects but there were only 2 that I recall he had a personal workout with. Jimmy Garoppolo and Tom Savage. Garoppolo was the only other QB that we are reasonably sure the Texans had interest in during the draft besides Savage. Now this is speculation on my part but if we see or hear of BOB doing any personal workouts with QB's prior to the draft it could be a sign that that's who he will target during the draft. So, keep your eyes and ears open! It should be an interesting off season!
 
deucetx said:
I understand the feeling. While I would still follow the team and keep on cheering with a lot of crying and wondering why I stopped drinking, I can understand your point. I don't see anyway that we should think Savage, Weeden and Yates address the position. Savage is the only one in that group with "some" possibility of unknown potential. We saw a whopping couple of games from Weeden and suddenly dismiss the dozens of games he has under his belt as if coming here just suddenly struck something inside of him. Yates was sitting at home on a couch and got a call and now suddenly he is capable of competing for a starting franchise QB spot when he couldn't even nail a backup one? Really?

If they wish to bring them to compete with someone else, sure, that sounds all good. But relying on your answer to be in that three is a tad short of idiotic and sounds like the same recipe we've already been trying. Trying a bunch of backup QB's and going for the one that doesn't stink the most.
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Savage I'd accept and go all-in on if the Texans went into 2016 saying it was his time and that he was ready. I'd accept that. I might be a tad dubious but I'd buy into it and see what happens.

Weeden I think you have to look at the whole package and by that I mean the entirety of his career and all the factors that went into the W/L column.

Weeden clearly hit the field in Cleveland before he was ready to play at this level. There's a very funny Brandon Weeden "Tribute" video on youtube made when he was on his way out that highlights many (if not all) of his interceptions and he makes some terrible decisions. It's here and it's an interesting watch. The things I can't get past watching it are a) how often he overthrows his WR's, b) how rarely his WR's contest a catch when they have a shot at the ball, and c) how often he seems to be just trying to make something happen in busted plays and while trying to avoid pressure.

He wasn't ready to see the field and the Browns just threw him out there like they always do. I don't see how Brandon Weeden gets defined by his play in Cleveland. I don't think that's right.

In Dallas the game seems to have slowed down for him. He got coaching and he appears to have gotten the opportunity to learn. Did he win? No he did not but I've seen it reported that he played well enough to most of the time. Romo won 3 out of his 4 games. Cassel won 1 out of his 9. Weeden got the hook pretty quick when a common opinion is that he looked better than Cassel with less to work with (No Dez Bryant).

Then we picked him up and he won games or at the very least he didn't cost us games. He did what he had to do against Indy and played well against Tennessee with a limited grasp of the offense.

I'd like to see more.

Yates is a guy I'd bring to camp if you need the arm but I wouldn't expect him to truly compete for the starting gig. I'd think of it as an investment in keeping him up to date on the system for when we have to call him in to play 2-3 games late in the year if the injury bug strikes again. That's about the limit of it for me.

And of course I want to see a QB drafted. I'd prefer early over late but all i really care is that they select the guy that they think has the best shot at helping us within the limits of their draft position. If they can't trade up to get Goff or Lynch that's fine. You need two parties to make a trade.

Edit: Note that Yates would be getting that call at his home while sitting on his couch. He would (most likely) not make this team in this scenario. It would be Savage/Weeden/Rookie, Weeden/Savage/Rookie, or best case scenario Rookie/Weeden/Savage if the rookie QB pulls a Russell Wilson which probably isn't happening but a man can dream right?
 
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For me, I wouldn't be mad if we went into next year with Savage, Weeden/Yates, and an early round QB like Wentz/Cook riding the pine most of the year .
Yes we'd be taking some lumps but the long term pay off would be worth it. I do not want to see The Destroyer in a Texans uniform again.
 
PapaL said:
For me, I wouldn't be mad if we went into next year with Savage, Weeden/Yates, and an early round QB like Wentz/Cook riding the pine most of the year .
Yes we'd be taking some lumps but the long term pay off would be worth it. I do not want to see The Destroyer in a Texans uniform again.
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That's exactly what I want - a top prospect/planned future who starts as soon as he beats out the yeoman (who might, lightning strike, prove to be more than yeoman).
 
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That's exactly what I want - a top prospect/planned future who starts as soon as he beats out the yeoman (who might, lightning strike, prove to be more than yeoman).
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Even if that top prospect/planned future is Hackenberg?
 
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Even if that top prospect/planned future is Hackenberg?
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While Hack may have a leg up on other rookies in our system, how quickly can he adjust to NFL speed? How much has he retained from his time with Ob? Does he have "it"?
It'll be interesting to see how much time Ob spends with Hack come combine and interview time. I wonder how upset the fan base would be if we took him early, regardless of what the experts rank him, because he was "our guy".
 
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I don't get the thinking that O'b leaning heavily towards Hackenberg thinking. When O'b went around scouting for his team, Hack was the guy they eventually settled on for the QB position. He might have been the sixth guy on O'bs list at the time but the best guy he was able to bring in.

O'b turned down Savage when Savage wanted to go to Penn State. He ended up going to Pitt & O'b may have been regretting that decision ever since.

I don't think it's any secret now, that O'b didn't like Mallett, regardless of their previous relationship. For all we know, he may have had all the Christian Hackenberry he can stand in one lifetime.

Hackenberry was the best he could get at the time.


Times change.
 
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I don't get the thinking that O'b leaning heavily towards Hackenberg thinking. When O'b went around scouting for his team, Hack was the guy they eventually settled on for the QB position. He might have been the sixth guy on O'bs list at the time but the best guy he was able to bring in.

O'b turned down Savage when Savage wanted to go to Penn State. He ended up going to Pitt & O'b may have been regretting that decision ever since.

I don't think it's any secret now, that O'b didn't like Mallett, regardless of their previous relationship. For all we know, he may have had all the Christian Hackenberry he can stand in one lifetime.

Hackenberry was the best he could get at the time.


Times change.
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Eh im not so sure you thank a coach that much who doesnt like you, which means you probably dont like him, unless you are in denial and then you have bigger issues to worry about lol
 
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Eh im not so sure you thank a coach that much who doesnt like you, which means you probably dont like him, unless you are in denial and then you have bigger issues to worry about lol
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It might have been "media speak" for, "I'm sorry I was such a hard head before, I've learned the error of my ways & please, please, please draft me."
 
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Tom Savage will be entering his third NFL season in 2016.
He missed all of 2015. Played in two games in 2014 as a rookie.
Too soon to call him a fourth-round bust? How much longer is needed?

If he enters training camp with any nagging injuries I'll be concerned. I wouldn't lose any sleep if we parted ways with him this off-season even if it's early. I think we need a total roster over-haul at the quarterback position. Bringing in three new quarterbacks this off-season. I don't care what they know of our system. None of them bring all that much to the table in terms of execution and health.

Bill O'Brien is too stubborn if he thinks we have anybody good at quarterback on our roster right now. Yeah, they may know your system but they can't execute it good enough.
 
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