What to do in 1st round?

[Corrosion]

I'd have to get CND's opinion on it.

Pretty sad that I trust CND's thoughts on injuries more than I trust the team.

I have Doc on speed dial .... I call him before my kids go to their doctor or I go to mine.


I broke 5 of the 7 bones in my hand including the two of the three connecting to the wrist. Had a bunch of pins holding it together for almost 6 months .... I have occasional discomfort and significant loss of strength in it. The Dr who did the surgery was one of the nations leaders in the field .... and its never been close to the same since.

 

[amazing80]

I have Doc on speed dial .... I call him before my kids go to their doctor or I go to mine.


I broke 5 of the 7 bones in my hand including the two of the three connecting to the wrist. Had a bunch of pins holding it together for almost 6 months .... I have occasional discomfort and significant loss of strength in it. The Dr who did the surgery was one of the nations leaders in the field .... and its never been close to the same since.

Yea, me too. Not on speed dial, but on speed private message

 

[bah007]

If you could have any one of these guys when we pick ... ?

Carson Wentz, QB
Connor Cook, QB
Ezekiel Elliott, RB
Corey Coleman, WR
Josh Doctson, WR
Andrew Billings, DT
A'Shawn Robinson, DL
Taylor Decker, OT
Vonn Bell, S
Hunter Henry, TE

Just trying to add something more tangible to the discussion.

Wentz or Robinson for me.

 

[steelbtexan]

If you could have any one of these guys when we pick ... ?

Carson Wentz, QB
Connor Cook, QB
Ezekiel Elliott, RB
Corey Coleman, WR
Josh Doctson, WR
Andrew Billings, DT
A'Shawn Robinson, DL
Taylor Decker, OT
Vonn Bell, S
Hunter Henry, TE

Just trying to add something more tangible to the discussion.

Without a doubt Wentz if healthy.
2nd choice Coleman

 

[Mollywhopper]

Wentz or Robinson for me.

Without a doubt Wentz if healthy.
2nd choice Coleman

I'm on the Wentz-wagon pretty solidly myself, but wanted to include a number of talented names that I think should be there and spread across positions of importance for this team. Anyone else you fellers think could be there that I didn't include that you've got your eyeballs on?

 

[Corrosion]

If you could have any one of these guys when we pick ... ?

Carson Wentz, QB
Connor Cook, QB
Ezekiel Elliott, RB
Corey Coleman, WR
Josh Doctson, WR
Andrew Billings, DT
A'Shawn Robinson, DL
Taylor Decker, OT
Vonn Bell, S
Hunter Henry, TE

Just trying to add something more tangible to the discussion.

Man ... Elliott , Coleman , Doctson , Henry or Wentz .... that's a damn tough choice. I really think you could get two of them.


I would probably pass on Wentz and take Elliott (says the guy who's been b!tching about a QB for 3 years). You can hand that guy the ball and expect positive yardage when everyone in the building knows he's running the ball then try to trade back up and nab Wentz.
But I don't think Elliott makes it to the Texans spot .... If that's the case I take Coleman then trade up to target Wentz as in the Elliott scenario. I think Coleman might be able to make an impact on ST as well as offense which is why I take him over Doctson but that's a tough choice as he's a lot like Hopkins in that he can catch everything ...
That is of course assuming Wentz is cleared medically , otherwise I have to rethink the entire draft and strongly consider a move up to get Lynch.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm on the Wentz-wagon pretty solidly myself, but wanted to include a number of talented names that I think should be there and spread across positions of importance for this team. Anyone else you fellers think could be there that I didn't include that you've got your eyeballs on?

Jacob Coker (Who I have rated even with Wentz and ahead of Cook.)
Jack Conklin
Shon Coleman
Austin Johnson
Sua Cravens
Max Turek (Best Center in draft, he has the ability to play either OT spot. This guy has great feet.)

 

[Mollywhopper]

Man ... Elliott , Coleman , Doctson , Henry or Wentz .... that's a damn tough choice. I really think you could get two of them.


I would probably pass on Wentz and take Elliott (says the guy who's been b!tching about a QB for 3 years). You can hand that guy the ball and expect positive yardage when everyone in the building knows he's running the ball then try to trade back up and nab Wentz.
But I don't think Elliott makes it to the Texans spot .... If that's the case I take Coleman then trade up to target Wentz as in the Elliott scenario. I think Coleman might be able to make an impact on ST as well as offense which is why I take him over Doctson but that's a tough choice as he's a lot like Hopkins in that he can catch everything ...
That is of course assuming Wentz is cleared medically , otherwise I have to rethink the entire draft and strongly consider a move up to get Lynch.

So you'd be comfortable (and this is all assuming Wentz's wrist checks out) taking a risk on missing Wentz entirely to make either Elliott or Coleman a higher priority? Big risk if you really think a guy could be your franchise signal caller and he's there when you're on the clock.

Not knocking either, just gauging levels of interest and whatnot.

 

[steelbtexan]

Man ... Elliott , Coleman , Doctson , Henry or Wentz .... that's a damn tough choice. I really think you could get two of them.


I would probably pass on Wentz and take Elliott (says the guy who's been b!tching about a QB for 3 years). You can hand that guy the ball and expect positive yardage when everyone in the building knows he's running the ball then try to trade back up and nab Wentz.
But I don't think Elliott makes it to the Texans spot .... If that's the case I take Coleman then trade up to target Wentz as in the Elliott scenario. I think Coleman might be able to make an impact on ST as well as offense which is why I take him over Doctson but that's a tough choice as he's a lot like Hopkins in that he can catch everything ...
That is of course assuming Wentz is cleared medically , otherwise I have to rethink the entire draft and strongly consider a move up to get Lynch.

I like the trading back up thing to add 2 playmakers. What would you do about OT?

 

[Mollywhopper]

Jacob Coker (Who I have rated even with Wentz and ahead of Cook.)
Jack Conklin
Shon Coleman
Austin Johnson
Sua Cravens
Max Turek (Best Center in draft, he has the ability to play either OT spot. This guy has great feet.)

I considered Conklin, Johnson, and Cravens.

Just ended up going with Decker as a better player over Conklin. Same with Johnson at his position, and I'm still needing to look into what the actual makeup of that Penn St Dline strength is, what with 3 guys lined up who could all go top 50 or so. I like Cravens talent but he just seems so limited to the box and I think Bell could do that stuff with more range and ball skills. Tuerk was super enticing with our need for an upgrade at C, but I've seen him slide into the second so much lately that I'm thinking he could still be available later.

Thanks for the feedback, yo.

 

[Corrosion]

So you'd be comfortable (and this is all assuming Wentz's wrist checks out) taking a risk on missing Wentz entirely to make either Elliott or Coleman a higher priority? Big risk if you really think a guy could be your franchise signal caller and he's there when you're on the clock.

Not knocking either, just gauging levels of interest and whatnot.

The idea is that none of the teams picking behind you in the first round have a need at the QB spot .... you get the higher rated player (ideally Elliott) and then make a move back up to get Wentz , if you are really scared of losing him you make a deal with the Redskins who pick behind you and get them back to back .... even if it costs you a future #1 , if you really believe Wentz is a franchise guy , you do it.
If he's as advertised , and those two players make the expected impact that future pick will be relatively late in the round anyhow ....

I like the trading back up thing to add 2 playmakers. What would you do about OT?

Hope like hell Brown recovers .... but the backup plan has to come via free agency.

 

[Mollywhopper]

The idea is that none of the teams picking behind you in the first round have a need at the QB spot .... you get the higher rated player (ideally Elliott) and then make a move back up to get Wentz , if you are really scared of losing him you make a deal with the Redskins who pick behind you and get them back to back .... even if it costs you a future #1 , if you really believe Wentz is a franchise guy , you do it.
If he's as advertised , and those two players make the expected impact that future pick will be relatively late in the round anyhow ....

I suppose I just have Wentz's value rated a little more highly in comparison to Elliott/Coleman. That said I would certainly applaud our FO to have the cojones to pull off such bold moves and facelift our offense so dramatically. Right on.

 

[Seegara]

And Brees has come back saying he only wants to play for the Saints. How much of that will shake out in the off season, I don't know, but it would make sense for Brees to stay put.

Since NO is my 2nd fave team since 1983 or so, I guess I can always still root for them (unless they are playing the Texans).

I guess it then goes back to my original premise: draft a QB high, expect Savage to really compete, and hang on to Hoyer or Weeden for vet bench experience. I would expect Weeden, because he comes cheaper than Hoyer.

NO is my 2nd favorite too.

 

[Seegara]

If you could have any one of these guys when we pick ... ?

Carson Wentz, QB
Connor Cook, QB
Ezekiel Elliott, RB
Corey Coleman, WR
Josh Doctson, WR
Andrew Billings, DT
A'Shawn Robinson, DL
Taylor Decker, OT
Vonn Bell, S
Hunter Henry, TE

Just trying to add something more tangible to the discussion.

Cook would be my choice. I notice Goff isn't included. But as long as we're dreaming about having great choices, let's dream big.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Cook would be my choice. I notice Goff isn't included. But as long as we're dreaming about having great choices, let's dream big.

The idea was pretty obviously guys more likely to be there at our pick.

 

[ObsiWan]

El

If you could have any one of these guys when we pick ... ?

Carson Wentz, QB
Connor Cook, QB
Ezekiel Elliott, RB
Corey Coleman, WR
Josh Doctson, WR
Andrew Billings, DT
A'Shawn Robinson, DL
Taylor Decker, OT
Vonn Bell, S
Hunter Henry, TE

Just trying to add something more tangible to the discussion.

if there is a decent chance I can get a good QB prospect in round 2 (or by trading back into later date one, I'm taking Elliott.

I think O'Brien will roll with whoever wins out of Hoyer/Savage/Weeden as next season's starter. Any QB coming from the 2016 draft will be a "project". I want immediate return on my round 1 pick and I don't believe (and this is how I'm reading O'Brien - feel free to dispute it) O'Brien will start a rookie over guys that have spent time in his system.

 

[Norg]

Yeah Hopefully Hoyer plays well in the playoffs so

BPA

if u want a young QB we can find one in the 2nd or 3rd that's pretty much it

 

[Mollywhopper]

El
if there is a decent chance I can get a good QB prospect in round 2 (or by trading back into later date one, I'm taking Elliott.

I think O'Brien will roll with whoever wins out of Hoyer/Savage/Weeden as next season's starter. Any QB coming from the 2016 draft will be a "project". I want immediate return on my round 1 pick and I don't believe (and this is how I'm reading O'Brien - feel free to dispute it) O'Brien will start a rookie over guys that have spent time in his system.

So QB in the first is out of the question for you then unless they're not the only first round selection?

 

[steelbtexan]

El
if there is a decent chance I can get a good QB prospect in round 2 (or by trading back into later date one, I'm taking Elliott.

I think O'Brien will roll with whoever wins out of Hoyer/Savage/Weeden as next season's starter. Any QB coming from the 2016 draft will be a "project". I want immediate return on my round 1 pick and I don't believe (and this is how I'm reading O'Brien - feel free to dispute it) O'Brien will start a rookie over guys that have spent time in his system.

Which is why Hackenberg will most likely be the pick.

 

[Corrosion]

Which is why Hackenberg will most likely be the pick.

UGH

 

[JB]

I think it really depends on how the draft is falling... you know there will be a run on a position or two and a surprise pick or two. And someone unexpected will fall. That will have an influence. But I like the Elliot and trade back up scenario for your QB.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I think it really depends on how the draft is falling... you know there will be a run on a position or two and a surprise pick or two. And someone unexpected will fall. That will have an influence. But I like the Elliot and trade back up scenario for your QB.

Count me in with this crowd (taking Elliot and then moving up in the 2nd/1st to grab a QB), but that's a tough group of guys to choose from. If all those guys dropped to me, I'd be sorely tempted to trade down a few spots and pick up some more mid-to-late round picks.

 

[steelbtexan]

Count me in with this crowd (taking Elliot and then moving up in the 2nd/1st to grab a QB), but that's a tough group of guys to choose from. If all those guys dropped to me, I'd be sorely tempted to trade down a few spots and pick up some more mid-to-late round picks.

If there's a guy you think can be your franchise QB there when you're picking, you pick him and thank your lucky stars he was there. Getting cute will bite you in the butt, as we've seen.

 

[amazing80]

I am in the opposite corner, I would not pick a rb before round 3. We have enough needs and there is enough talent in the draft to avoid picking a rb that high. Plenty of talent at rb and its the easiest position to scout. I am not a fan of picking a rb in rd 1

 

[steelbtexan]

I am in the opposite corner, I would not pick a rb before round 3. We have enough needs and there is enough talent in the draft to avoid picking a rb that high. Plenty of talent at rb and its the easiest position to scout. I am not a fan of picking a rb in rd 1

Yep,

Plus the fact that the 2017 draft is Loaded at RB. Dont settle for a lesser talent with a high pick in the 2016 draft. That's not to say you dont draft a RB like Dwayne/DeAndre Washington or Keith Marshall later in the draft.

 

[Corrosion]

I suppose I just have Wentz's value rated a little more highly in comparison to Elliott/Coleman. That said I would certainly applaud our FO to have the cojones to pull off such bold moves and facelift our offense so dramatically. Right on.

It's not that I have Wendt rated any lower .... Just looking at the teams picking between the Texans and the end of the round - with all those names you listed on the board .... they aren't likely to take a quarterback which gives you the opportunity to snag a player who is #1 or #2 at his position deep in the draft and still be able to move up and get your quarterback before those other QB needy teams start picking again.

El
if there is a decent chance I can get a good QB prospect in round 2 (or by trading back into later date one, I'm taking Elliott.

I think O'Brien will roll with whoever wins out of Hoyer/Savage/Weeden as next season's starter. Any QB coming from the 2016 draft will be a "project". I want immediate return on my round 1 pick and I don't believe (and this is how I'm reading O'Brien - feel free to dispute it) O'Brien will start a rookie over guys that have spent time in his system.

Good grief Charlie Brown I hope not .... I've had my fill of hot garbage at QB and OB has to commit to one eventually.
I want my cake & eat it too on this draft - a #1 pick that makes an impact (Elliott / Coleman) and one of the top 3 quarterbacks (I have Wendt #3).

If there's a guy you think can be your franchise QB there when you're picking, you pick him and thank your lucky stars he was there. Getting cute will bite you in the butt, as we've seen.

I don't disagree in general .... but if that is how the draft falls , none of those teams picking 22-32 has a need at the position with all that talent on the board for them to choose from .... its not very likely any of them take a QB. As the talent starts to dry up , you make a move up and get your guy.

I am in the opposite corner, I would not pick a rb before round 3. We have enough needs and there is enough talent in the draft to avoid picking a rb that high. Plenty of talent at rb and its the easiest position to scout. I am not a fan of picking a rb in rd 1

Normally I would agree with that sentiment .... but there are a few special players that break the rules and Elliott is one of them .... everyone in the building knows he's getting the ball and he still makes plays. Add the fact that he's a very good fit for what the Texans do .... one cut and get vertical , he'd be hard to pass on.

I really don't think he nor Coleman last to the Texans spot. I just hope Elliott doesn't end up on one of the other AFC South teams , especially the Dolts.

I think it really depends on how the draft is falling... you know there will be a run on a position or two and a surprise pick or two. And someone unexpected will fall. That will have an influence. But I like the Elliot and trade back up scenario for your QB.

Yeah , and this hypothetical with all those names listed still being available , the #1 RB & #1/2 WR still around in the 20's is highly unlikely. Elliott & trade back up for Wendt is what I would do in that unlikely situation.

More likely I think is that both Elliott & Coleman are gone .... in that case I take my quarterback. If someone else falls that can be a game changer (Henry or Decker) you can try to move back up for them.


Of that list Mollywhopper gave , I think Elliott , Decker , Coleman , Robinson & Billings are all gone by the Texans (current) spot at 21 making our choice much easier - Wendt or Cook.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

If there's a guy you think can be your franchise QB there when you're picking, you pick him and thank your lucky stars he was there. Getting cute will bite you in the butt, as we've seen.

That's the operative part, though. IF there's a a guy you THINK can be your Franchise QB. OTOH, if you have a guy you think will be a serviceable QB, you wait and pick him at a place you think it's a good deal. I haven't looked at all the tape on the QBs, yet. I'm not sure if the guys available are "The Guy" or if they're just possibly decent enough guys.

 

[Mollywhopper]

It's not that I have Wendt rated any lower .... Just looking at the teams picking between the Texans and the end of the round - with all those names you listed on the board .... they aren't likely to take a quarterback which gives you the opportunity to snag a player who is #1 or #2 at his position deep in the draft and still be able to move up and get your quarterback before those other QB needy teams start picking again.

I don't disagree in general .... but if that is how the draft falls , none of those teams picking 22-32 has a need at the position with all that talent on the board for them to choose from .... its not very likely any of them take a QB. As the talent starts to dry up , you make a move up and get your guy.

Pretty big assumption that no moves will be made by other teams. Perhaps a team that already drafted in the first has the same thinking as you and moves back into the first to snag him. And there are a couple playoff teams like Ariz, Den, or KC, who have either aging or not great QB play that think that Wentz is a guy they can sit for a year or two while they let Palmer, Manning/Osweiler, and Smith play out.

Just sayin if you think Wentz can be that guy to elevate your franchise from that oh so important position you're playing a pretty risky game to just assume you've got the move up your sleeve that no one else does to go get him later. Especially for this franchise that has seen so many other teams end up with this or that guy behind center that we certainly could have had while we seem to have a roster generally ready for that big specific piece.

Playing dice like that with any other position and I wouldn't really bat an eye, but with quality QB's being the rare gem they are and this team in particular starving for one ...

 

[infantrycak]

That's the operative part, though. IF there's a a guy you THINK can be your Franchise QB. OTOH, if you have a guy you think will be a serviceable QB, you wait and pick him at a place you think it's a good deal. I haven't looked at all the tape on the QBs, yet. I'm not sure if the guys available are "The Guy" or if they're just possibly decent enough guys.

I think Goff is going to be the guy. That's trying to put aside my Cal bias.

 

[Corrosion]

I think Goff is going to be the guy. That's trying to put aside my Cal bias.

I think Goff is the best prospect of this crop .... the best shot at being really good , a guy able to make those around him better.

I see Wendt as .... Good Schaub .... Pretty good , a guy who if surrounded by the right parts around him , he can deliver.

 

[ChampionTexan]

It's not that I have Wendt rated any lower .... Just looking at the teams picking between the Texans and the end of the round - with all those names you listed on the board .... they aren't likely to take a quarterback which gives you the opportunity to snag a player who is #1 or #2 at his position deep in the draft and still be able to move up and get your quarterback before those other QB needy teams start picking again.

If you truly have him rated as the QB you want you go ahead and take him. Those teams picking at the end of the round may not need a QB, but if they have a high enough rating on Wentz, they could go Aaron Rodgers on us. Carson Palmer is 36, and we don't know what Denver really thinks of Osweiler (or New England and Garoppolo for that matter). Plus, while I'm certainly not saying they would have taken him, the Texans may have been thinking that since Seattle obviously didn't need a QB that Teddy Bridgewater would be there for them in round 2 - right up until they found out he wouldn't be.

I'm not a draftnik, so I don't pretend to have any opinion Wentz personally, but if he's the highest rated remaining QB on their board, and the Texans feel like he can be the long term solution at QB, they need to take him.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I think Goff is going to be the guy. That's trying to put aside my Cal bias.

Yeah, but he wasn't in the list. I've got no problem even with us moving up to get Goff, although I don't think he's going to get past the first few picks. But with Cook and Wentz, I'm not nearly so sure.

 

[thunderkyss]

I see Wendt as .... Good Schaub .... Pretty good , a guy who if surrounded by the right parts around him , he can deliver.

I wouldn't spend a first on "Good Schaub" well... it depends on who else is there. But I wouldn't be trading back into the first to get him, that's for sure.

Kevin Hogan can be good Schaub... imo.

 

[JB]

SteelB you said

If there's a guy you think can be your guy there when you're picking, you pick him and thank your lucky stars he was there. Getting cute will bite you in the butt, as we've seen.

but then you said

Plus the fact that the 2017 draft is Loaded. Dont settle for a lesser talent with a high pick in the 2016 draft.

You can't have it both ways... look, if I thought there was a for sure can't miss franchise QB in this draft (such as Luck) then I'm all for doing what it takes to snag him. But if all you have is a bunch of "good Schaub" types, then you snag the guy that you think is a stand out one of a kind guy and get the best while you can. I think Elliot will be special... not sure that Wentz or Cook is any more special than a bunch of other guys

 

[thunderkyss]

You can't have it both ways... look, if I thought there was a for sure can't miss franchise QB in this draft (such as Luck) then I'm all for doing what it takes to snag him. But if all you have is a bunch of "good Schaub" types, then you snag the guy that you think is a stand out one of a kind guy and get the best while you can. I think Elliot will be special... not sure that Wentz or Cook is any more special than a bunch of other guys

Exactly.

If we spend a first on a "Schaub" even a "Good Schaub" then next year, or the year after, you're not going to pull the trigger when a real franchise type is within your reach.

Most likely.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Exactly.

If we spend a first on a "Schaub" even a "Good Schaub" then next year, or the year after, you're not going to pull the trigger when a real franchise type is within your reach.

Most likely.

I've got no issue at all with the idea that you have to be comfortable that the QB you draft has a very good chance at becoming "That Guy", and as such, I'm probably not as pissed off as many on this board over who the QB's currently on the roster are.

However, I do feel like "That Guy" doesn't have to mean a sure fire can't miss future elite QB. The odds of that guy being available where you'll be picking in the next couple of years is simply too small - and time has proven we can't really predict the quality of next years QB draft class, much less the one after that. If you told me today that there was somebody available at #22 (or wherever the first round pick ends up falling) who would become Good Schaub less the injury issues, I'd have no problem with using the pick for that guy. I define "Good Schaub" as someone who is borderline top 10 in the NFL. Better than Andy Dalton, but obviously not Rodgers, Brady, or Manning in his prime.

 

[JB]

I've got no issue at all with the idea that you have to be comfortable that they QB you draft has a very good chance at becoming "That Guy", and as such, I'm probably not as pissed off as many on this board over who the QB's currently on the roster are.

However, I do feel like "That Guy" doesn't have to mean a sure fire can't miss future elite QB. The odds of that guy being available where you'll be picking in the next couple of years is simply too small - and time has proven we can't really predict the quality of next years QB draft class, much less the one after that. If you told me today that there was somebody available at #22 (or wherever the first round pick ends up falling) who would become Good Schaub less the injury issues, I'd have no problem with using the pick for that guy. I define "Good Schaub" as someone who is borderline top 10 in the NFL. Better than Andy Dalton, but obviously not Rodgers, Brady, or Manning in his prime.

I have no issues with that either, but if you can get another "That Guy" later then I would rather spend my first pick on someone I think is special... all I'm saying. I don't think Wentz or Cook is head and shoulders above other guys that will be available even if I have to trade back up for them. I also think Wentz lasts until 2nd round and probably Cook also. I know Elliot won't

 

[bah007]

I'm on the Wentz-wagon pretty solidly myself, but wanted to include a number of talented names that I think should be there and spread across positions of importance for this team. Anyone else you fellers think could be there that I didn't include that you've got your eyeballs on?

These are the guys I have my eye on at #22 right now.

Carson Wentz – QB, North Dakota St
Josh Doctson – WR, TCU
Hunter Henry – TE, Arkansas
Jason Spriggs – OT, Indiana
Jonathan Allen – DE, Alabama
Austin Johnson – NT, Penn St
Tre’Davious White – CB, LSU
Jeremy Cash – S, Duke

Some of those guys you could probably trade back a little bit and still grab, but they certainly wouldn't be available if you waited all the way til our pick in the second round. I like them all enough that I'd still grab them at #22 if I couldn't move back.

I don't think that much of Cook. Too inaccurate. I think Coleman and Decker are okay, but I'll pass. Like a lot of guys more. I think Elliott, Billings, and Robinson are all off the board unfortunately. I do like Bell a lot but would only consider him if Cash were off the board. I think Cash meshes better with Hal.

 

[thunderkyss]

I've got no issue at all with the idea that you have to be comfortable that the QB you draft has a very good chance at becoming "That Guy", and as such, I'm probably not as pissed off as many on this board over who the QB's currently on the roster are.

.

Understand I threw in that I believe Hogan can be Good Schaub.

 

[ChampionTexan]

I have no issues with that either, but if you can get another "That Guy" later then I would rather spend my first pick on someone I think is special... all I'm saying. I don't think Wentz or Cook is head and shoulders above other guys that will be available even if I have to trade back up for them. I also think Wentz lasts until 2nd round and probably Cook also. I know Elliot won't

Yeah, I agree to some extent, but I'm also not going to sweat a few slots if it guarantees getting the QB you want. If they get the guy I describe, in two years, five years, ten years (wouldn't that be nice), nobody's going to care about late first round vs. later first round vs. early second round, and if he's not that guy, knowing they were able to trade down 11 spots and still get him won't take very much of the sting away. If you think the guy is "The Guy", and there are no other "Guys" on your board, taking him earlier than may be necessary is worlds better than getting cute and losing him completely.

Also, the fact we're talking about an RB in this specific instance probably makes me feel even stronger about that than if it were another position. Given the short careers many have, and the value they bring to the table (if you look at the top 10 rushers this past season, only three of them are on playoff teams) I view risking losing an RB as more acceptable than other positions. That's not a judgement on Elliot specifically (I don't do that), just the RB position in general.

 

[Number19]

After reading up on 2016 QB prospects, I'm certain that O'Brien will take Hackenberg in the 1st.

To make a solid guess, I'd need some accurate, updated info, but he has a history of poor accuracy. This is one of the essential elements that OB looks for in a prospect. So right now, I wouldn't think so.

 

[Mollywhopper]

These are the guys I have my eye on at #22 right now.

Carson Wentz – QB, North Dakota St
Josh Doctson – WR, TCU
Hunter Henry – TE, Arkansas
Jason Spriggs – OT, Indiana
Jonathan Allen – DE, Alabama
Austin Johnson – NT, Penn St
Tre’Davious White – CB, LSU
Jeremy Cash – S, Duke

Some of those guys you could probably trade back a little bit and still grab, but they certainly wouldn't be available if you waited all the way til our pick in the second round. I like them all enough that I'd still grab them at #22 if I couldn't move back.

I don't think that much of Cook. Too inaccurate. I think Coleman and Decker are okay, but I'll pass. Like a lot of guys more. I think Elliott, Billings, and Robinson are all off the board unfortunately. I do like Bell a lot but would only consider him if Cash were off the board. I think Cash meshes better with Hal.

Spriggs over Decker - interesting.

Haven't seen much at all of White yet, but I'm kinda cringing at going corner in the first again. Then again, if he's that good, well.

I'm not big on Cook either, but included him because he's likely still there and I'm still seeing his name mentioned around here and was interested in who might be enticed by him versus Wentz.

I've watched a couple games of Cash, and he looks pretty good, but we're just going to agree to disagree on that one. I think Bell is the bee's knees.

Anywho, good feedback as always.

 

[Mollywhopper]

It's not that I have Wendt rated any lower ....

(I have Wendt #3)

Yeah , and this hypothetical with all those names listed still being available , the #1 RB & #1/2 WR still around in the 20's is highly unlikely. Elliott & trade back up for Wendt is what I would do in that unlikely situation.

Of that list Mollywhopper gave , I think Elliott , Decker , Coleman , Robinson & Billings are all gone by the Texans (current) spot at 21 making our choice much easier - Wendt or Cook.

I see Wendt as .... Good Schaub .... Pretty good , a guy who if surrounded by the right parts around him , he can deliver.

I think I understand now why you'd be so willing to wait to trade back up for Carson Wentz ...

Spoiler

... and I'm not so sure this guy is a true one of a kind franchise QB either.

 

[HOU-TEX]

These are the guys I have my eye on at #22 right now.

Carson Wentz – QB, North Dakota St
Josh Doctson – WR, TCU
Hunter Henry – TE, Arkansas
Jason Spriggs – OT, Indiana
Jonathan Allen – DE, Alabama
Austin Johnson – NT, Penn St
Tre’Davious White – CB, LSU
Jeremy Cash – S, Duke

Some of those guys you could probably trade back a little bit and still grab, but they certainly wouldn't be available if you waited all the way til our pick in the second round. I like them all enough that I'd still grab them at #22 if I couldn't move back.

I don't think that much of Cook. Too inaccurate. I think Coleman and Decker are okay, but I'll pass. Like a lot of guys more. I think Elliott, Billings, and Robinson are all off the board unfortunately. I do like Bell a lot but would only consider him if Cash were off the board. I think Cash meshes better with Hal.

I haven't gone full draft mode yet, but I'd take Henry at 22. I wouldn't be upset getting Doctson or Johnson either

 

[badboy]

I haven't gone full draft mode yet, but I'd take Henry at 22. I wouldn't be upset getting Doctson or Johnson either

What about comments on this MB that Henry runs too upright?

 

[JB]

What about comments on this MB that Henry runs too upright?

I've never heard that said about a TE before

 

[thunderkyss]

What about comments on this MB that Henry runs too upright?

They obviously haven't seen AD run.

 

[badboy]

I've never heard that said about a TE before

whoops, was thinking Derek not Hunter.

 

[bah007]

I haven't gone full draft mode yet, but I'd take Henry at 22. I wouldn't be upset getting Doctson or Johnson either

I'm hesitant to go that high on a TE because our staff apparently has no idea how to use one. But Henry would definitely be the guy if we did. I don't know that I really want to go WR in the first either but Doctson would be tough to pass on. I agree on Johnson too obviously.

 

[badboy]

I'm hesitant to go that high on a TE because our staff apparently has no idea how to use one. But Henry would definitely be the guy if we did. I don't know that I really want to go WR in the first either but Doctson would be tough to pass on. I agree on Johnson too obviously.

As Docston my guy in mock forum, I'm curious as to what WR you would draft after round one? Shepherd is only one I'd want but not in second.