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Who else thinks the Texans are going to crash and burn in 2015

steelbtexan said:
Oh well atleast Hoyer knows the offense.
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Oh well, at least Hoyer knows the chalkboard offense.*

* and maybe genuflects better.**

** Disclaimer (badboy) - this post has no association with where the geneflector's head may end up in relation to the geneflectee's groin. Merely a historical reference.
 
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Texian said:
If you don't have a Franchise QB, then you must, I repeat you must make every effort to find one. If you don't then you're only delaying the inevitable....as you can plainly see.
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Did they teach you this at the armchair NFL GM school?
 
PapaL said:
If you don't have a franchise QB you build the rest of team and solidify all the positions you can and hope like hell someone pans out. You don't keep throwing Hail Marys.
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How about Hail St. Mediocrituswithouthope because that's what OB just threw.

FFS we debated ad nauseum healthy Schaub and whether he could win a Superb Owl in this place. Hoyer will never be healthy Schaub. He's hopes to mimic broken Schaub.

Right now I don't see him going 75% for 396 yds 3 TDs 1 INT 110 rating do you? (Hint - opening day broken Schaub 2013).
 
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steelbtexan said:
All of that reading and here's what I got out of this post.

Luck hasn't carried his team? Really

I don't need a qtr of the season to know that Hoyer is a turnover waiting to happen and that the Texans will do well to win 6 games with him as the starting QB. I mean he spotted a good Chiefs team 14 pts with the turnovers. That's the #1 receipe for costing your team a game and we've seen Hoyers act before with the Browns. Oh well atleast Hoyer knows the offense.
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I didn't say I want to see Hoyer for a quarter of a season. I want to see where the team (I want Mallet) is after 4 games.

Mike
 
PapaL said:
If you don't have a franchise QB you build the rest of team and solidify all the positions you can and hope like hell someone pans out. You don't keep throwing Hail Marys.
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Fitz , Hoyer , Savage .... aren't Hail Mary's , they are like Cak said elsewhere bunts.

OB hasn't taken a shot at the position two years in. Does he do it next year ? If so , how long does it take that guy to adjust to the NFL ?! Every season we go with a guy like Hoyer or Fitzy is another year wasted and at least two more in QB purgatory unless you expect a rookie to come in and blow up the league right away.
 
It seems there's two roads and , they are , you can out talent or out scheme . The Steelers of the 70s and the Cowboys of the 90s were just better and were pretty simple .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
It seems there's two roads and , they are , you can out talent or out scheme . The Steelers of the 70s and the Cowboys of the 90s were just better and were pretty simple .
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What is it about the scheme that makes it so cryptic except to the Hoyers and Mallets of the league? I think "needing someone already familiar with the scheme" is an urban legend.
 
infantrycak said:
Right now I don't see him going 75% for 396 yds 3 TDs 1 INT 110 rating do you? (Hint - opening day broken Schaub 2013).
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Gonna throw this out there again. This was broke down, shouldn't have been extended Schaub. And after that game there was a huge debate about him being done, etc.

And now we have Hoyer.

I really was trying to join the in OB we trust club right up until he tried to sell the closed practice thing.

But really, Hoyer will never even be that bad Schaub.

OB please move on or all trust/honeymoon is lost.
 
Runner said:
What is it about the scheme that makes it so cryptic except to the Hoyers and Mallets of the league? I think "needing someone already familiar with the scheme" is an urban legend.
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It's so complicated that the QB needs four seconds of protection to execute it . That's if his receivers can get open or are on the same page .
 
Runner said:
What is it about the scheme that makes it so cryptic except to the Hoyers and Mallets of the league? I think "needing someone already familiar with the scheme" is an urban legend.
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Wait. Don't throw Mallett under that bus. When he has appeared in games the O has taken off.

Having said that I think the familiar thing is a cop out.
 
infantrycak said:
Gonna throw this out there again. This was broke down, shouldn't have been extended Schaub. And after that game there was a huge debate about him being done, etc.

And now we have Hoyer.

I really was trying to join the in OB we trust club right up until he tried to sell the closed practice thing.

But really, Hoyer will never even be that bad Schaub.

OB please move on or all trust/honeymoon is lost.
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I watched Hoyer play the Bengals on Thursday night football and he wasn't bad . The Browns dominated the Bengals and the commentators were asking which one was the multi-million dollar QB . He was a shell of that player yesterday .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I watched Hoyer play the Bengals on Thursday night football and he wasn't bad . The Browns dominated the Bengals and the commentators were asking which one was the multi-million dollar QB . He was a shell of that player yesterday .
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Kind of missing the point. Or maybe you made it...

If you have to cherry pick a best game of a QB to go up against one about to be benched...

...everyone involved is f'ked.
 
infantrycak said:
Kind of missing the point. Or maybe you made it...

If you have to cherry pick a best game of a QB to go up against one about to be benched...

...everyone involved is f'ked.
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Hoyer had Josh Gordan and Jordan Cameron who both had really good years and a pretty good OL . Cameron is better than any TE the Texans have had and Gordon broke records that year . Then in Brown fashion they fired the coach . So if the 2013 Browns can make Hoyer look decent , then yes the Texans are screwed .
 
Vance87 said:
Link to this huge debate?
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I'm talking about around here, which reflects radio etc.

The debate was always there with Schaub wasn't good enough. Then he was injured to end 2011. Doc predicted the next season with a late season swoon. So there was a big debate in the offseason (2012) about Schaub. People entrenched, and then pick 6 vs. heroics the rest of the game.

Look it up. It's why we keep the history.
 
Vance87 said:
So you're gonna claim something, I ask for a source, and you say "Look it up"...that's bush league.
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You're standing in a library and ask for a book.

The librarian says there's the Dewey Decimal log scooter.

You tell her she's bush league.

Same response. It's here. Look it up your own damn lazy self.

After you get done with that look under Hefner .3p4 60's .274 and you'll find the last recorded big hairy bush event.

I'm not spending a whole lot as in any time debating whether there was a debate on Schaub, his injury and his extension. It's f'king stupid to say there wasn't.
 
infantrycak said:
You're standing in a library and ask for a book.

The librarian says there's the Dewey Decimal log scooter.

You tell her she's bush league.

Same response. It's here. Look it up your own damn lazy self.

After you get done with that look under Hefner .3p4 60's .274 and you'll find the last recorded big hairy bush event.

I'm not spending a whole lot as in any time debating whether there was a debate on Schaub, his injury and his extension. It's f'king stupid to say there wasn't.
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I asked you for a very SPECIFIC incident. Go back and read, dude. I didn't ask you for a ******* chronicle.

I'll remember your "look it up" snark comment in future threads.
 
Vance87 said:
I asked you for a very SPECIFIC incident. Go back and read, dude. I didn't ask you for a ******* chronicle.

I'll remember your "look it up" snark comment in future threads.
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The search function works for you same as me.

If you need rudimentary help start with thread titles and then move to phrases.

I frankly don't give a ****.

Are you disputing my memory, or just pissing and moaning because I won't jump your hoops?

I'm sorry if you weren't around for it, oblivious to it, whatever. ..it's not my obligation to go thru 12 years of history every time some new person comes up and says "oh yeah."

I wasn't even talking about me. I said there was a debate. You claiming there.was no Schaub debate?
 
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infantrycak said:
The search function works for you same as me.

If you need rudimentary help start with thread titles and then move to phrases.

I frankly don't give a ****.

Are you disputing my memory, or just pissing and moaning because I won't jump your hoops?
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You and several other grown men on this forum need to shove a god damn tampon up your bleeding vaginas. This **** is pathetic.
 
Vance87 said:
You and several other grown men on this forum need to shove a god damn tampon up your bleeding vaginas. This **** is pathetic.
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What do you want?

I'm talking about conversations years ago. Look at the 1st page right now and see how searchable the thread titles are.

I've described what I remember. Everything is there to contradict me if you want.

I readily invite you to weigh what I have said as not substantiated by quotes from back then.

Have I ever lied?

Stick the tampon up your ass Air Boy.

Damn that seems redundant.
 
Let's see. Schaub had been having some good seasons that garnered him many fans, even though some people still weren't sold on him. He gets injured and CloakNNNdagger suggests it is a career ending injury even though the Texas medical staff seems to disagree.

Given that, could there possibly NOT have been a debate on this board?*


*Yes, I know. There will now be a debate if there was in fact a debate.
 
powda said:
Between this thread and a handful of others it seems to me anyone with a negative outlook on the team/our chances has been outcast.

Funny to see that and then compare it to this board after a regular season loss. A lot of the people pissed to hear doubts will soon be calling for change after a loss.

It's almost as if people aren't capable of thinking hoyer sucks and STILL rooting for the team to win? I dunno, just seems petty. I say that believing we're a 9-7 team again. T minus18 hours.
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People choose to either look for the best with optimism and hope or wallow in despair, self pity and anger. Each side believes they have cornered the market on REALITY and all others are blind. Perhaps we should make a list of which group each poster falls in to and make two separate forums for them so things look like everyone agrees.
 
Marshall said:
People choose to either look for the best with optimism and hope or wallow in despair, self pity and anger. Each side believes they have cornered the market on REALITY and all others are blind. Perhaps we should make a list of which group each poster falls in to and make two separate forums for them so things look like everyone agrees.
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If we did that, we'd have no one here to point at and laugh.
 
Marshall said:
People choose to either look for the best with optimism and hope or wallow in despair, self pity and anger. Each side believes they have cornered the market on REALITY and all others are blind. Perhaps we should make a list of which group each poster falls in to and make two separate forums for them so things look like everyone agrees.
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Professor Pangloss,

Why do you assume that people who don't subscribe to Leibnizian Optimism automatically "wallow in despair, self pity and anger"? That doesn't necessarily follow just because they don't believe they live in the best of all possible (Texans) worlds.

In fact, acknowledging that things aren't perfect can be seen as more optimistic then the "this is as good as it can possibly be" viewpoint. Things can get better.

Candide
 
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infantrycak said:
How about Hail St. Mediocrituswithouthope because that's what OB just threw.

FFS we debated ad nauseum healthy Schaub and whether he could win a Superb Owl in this place. Hoyer will never be healthy Schaub. He's hopes to mimic broken Schaub.

Right now I don't see him going 75% for 396 yds 3 TDs 1 INT 110 rating do you? (Hint - opening day broken Schaub 2013).
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Would you prefer drafting QB every round until we find one better than what we're use to? What is your solution to the problem?
 
I know a lot of people bagged on Schaub (and now Hoyer) for having a noodle arm. There were also a lot who wanted Bridgewater. Bridgewater's arm makes their arms look like cannons. And, he has to wear gloves to grip the ball securely.

Our QBs may suck, but I'm still glad we passed on him.
 
It's not about getting ANY QB in the first round. It's about getting the RIGHT QB where ever he can be gotten. Desperation leads to TEAM mediocrity at best while patience allows either a Manager to emerge or a better foundation for the RIGHT QB when obtained. I honestly think we would have had our RIGHT QB if we had the foundation in place for HWSNBN.
 
Runner said:
Professor Pangloss,

Why do you assume that people who don't subscribe to Leibnizian Optimism automatically "wallow in despair, self pity and anger"? That doesn't necessarily follow just because they don't believe they live in the best of all possible (Texans) worlds.

In fact, acknowledging that things aren't perfect can be seen as more optimistic then the "this is good as it can possibly be"viewpoint. Things can get better.

Candide
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If you have managed to REALLY split the difference (Partially there AND Partially not, let's measure) and not fall into the usual trap, then good for you. But far more people fall into the other categories along with the self endorsed REALIST label.
 
Runner - beautiful. Nicely played.

PapaL said:
Would you prefer drafting QB every round until we find one better than what we're use to? What is your solution to the problem?
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TAKE A SHOT. Brian Hoyer is not a shot. He's a squeaky fart you aren't sure people heard so you don't know whether to act embarrassed.

Honest to God, Injun, whatever I will not rip them for being wrong. Never ripped the Texans for Carr other than keeping him too long. But take a freaking shot.
 
Vance87 said:
I asked you for a very SPECIFIC incident. Go back and read, dude. I didn't ask you for a ******* chronicle.

I'll remember your "look it up" snark comment in future threads.
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The issue with your request is that the answer IS a "'chronicle". We debated all off-season, after fat Albert stepped on Schaub's foot and ended his 2011 season, whether we should trade Schaub or at least seek out his successor. Some of us had hope - even after Doc warned us - that Schaub would make a full recovery. Few of us thought that T.J. Yates was going to be that guy should Schaub falter. Some did, since he won a playoff game. Others saw/thought he didn't have 'it' when the Ravens exposed him in that playoff loss. Hence the debate over whether to stick with Schaub or seek a replacement.

All that to say, the link you asked for below....
Vance87 said:
Link to this huge debate?
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...isn't one article but a whole mess of threads. We argued "to Schaub or not to Schaub" Ad infinitum around here during that off-season.

Use the query function and use "Schaub" and limit your timeframe to 2012-ish and a whole lot of threads/posts should show up.
 
ObsiWan said:
The issue with your request is that the answer IS a "'chronicle". We debated all off-season, after fat Albert stepped on Schaub's foot and ended his 2011 season, whether we should trade Schaub or at least seek out his successor. Some of us had hope - even after Doc warned us - that Schaub would make a full recovery. Few of us thought that T.J. Yates was going to be that guy should Schaub falter. Some did, since he won a playoff game. Others saw/thought he didn't have 'it' when the Ravens exposed him in that playoff loss. Hence the debate over whether to stick with Schaub or seek a replacement.

All that to say, the link you asked for below....

...isn't one article but a whole mess of threads. We argued "to Schaub or not to Schaub" Ad infinitum around here during that off-season.

Use the query function and use "Schaub" and limit your timeframe to 2012-ish and a whole lot of threads/posts should show up.
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There was an extension pending also and the Texans in Texans fashion paid him before the season . The Ravens paid Flacco after he won the Super Bowl .
 
Runner said:
Professor Pangloss,

Why do you assume that people who don't subscribe to Leibnizian Optimism automatically "wallow in despair, self pity and anger"? That doesn't necessarily follow just because they don't believe they live in the best of all possible (Texans) worlds.

In fact, acknowledging that things aren't perfect can be seen as more optimistic then the "this is good as it can possibly be"viewpoint. Things can get better.

Candide
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Well said, man.

I see shades of gray and have never quite understood the demand for either/or - black/white perspectives. I suppose some folks believe that being a fan requires wearing blinders and drinking koolaide or you're not a "real fan". This is when sports becomes religion for some people. They have very resolute attitudes that require you to completely agree or you do not conform to their chosen standards and risk the little labels their minds seem to need to perceive things.

I can love my Texans and hate Brian Hoyer as a starting QB. This does not make me </> as a fan.
 
Double Barrel said:
Well said, man.

I see shades of gray and have never quite understood the demand for either/or - black/white perspectives. I suppose some folks believe that being a fan requires wearing blinders and drinking koolaide or you're not a "real fan". This is when sports becomes religion for some people. They have very resolute attitudes that require you to completely agree or you do not conform to their chosen standards and risk the little labels their minds seem to need to perceive things.

I can love my Texans and hate Brian Hoyer as a starting QB. This does not make me </> as a fan.
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Does this mean a Texan fan can't marry another Texan fan in Kentucky ?
 
I do not remember anyone ever debating about Schaub. :corrosion: I cannot seem to find the "stirpot" smilie...
 
chicagotexan2 said:
If the defense has more games like the one against the Chiefs then yes the team will crash and burn.
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In the second half the Chiefs didn't score and might I point out that 14 of the 27 points the chiefs DID score were a result of being given a short field from our "BRILLIANT" QB who threw a pick on the first play (Cheif TD) then got sacked and coughed up the ball (Chief TD)
 
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