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Report: Brian Hoyer to be named Texans starting QB

"Throwing the ball to where our guy OUGHT to BE is what got Shaub in trouble."

That explains it. Schaub was throwing where the receivers OUGHT to BE, but the receivers were just so fast, Schaub could only throw behind them. Dang, instead of all those fast guys trying to run short patterns, GK should have called deep patterns so the receivers could use that blazing speed and Schaub could guess where they ought to be...
:kubepalm:
 
DocBar said:
What game were you watching? It wasn't 2015 sAints vs Texans preseason
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Last I remember, Rob Ryan is still the DC at New Orleans, isn't he?

'Em Ryan boys and Wade are still using that Bear front and they will blitz you.

To them, mixing in the 46 with that Bear front and blitzing is just normal practice.

You can't be expecting OB to ask RR to turn down the volume.

It's what they do, and they will practice it just like any other team would practice their usual packages.

They did it against Hoyer and they did it again Mallett.

Don't tell me you didn't see it.
Which game were you watching, DocBar? :swatter:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Which again emphasizes the importance of snap to release (ala Mallet), rather than the timed release of the ball from his hands.
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Doc,

I'm gonna up my observations with all the time from snap to release to show that you and a few others are way off base.

People may want better throws from Hoyer, but the decision making process and the timing were there.

If Mallett can get it down, he will be a very good one. He has such an arm.
 
76Texan said:
Doc,

I'm gonna up my observations with all the time from snap to release to show that you and a few others are way off base.

People may want better throws from Hoyer, but the decision making process and the timing were there.

If Mallett can get it down, he will be a very good one. He has such an arm.
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On that overload blitz w/O any disguise, Hoyer had the middle of the field open. Because he's a smallish guy, (6'1) he has trouble with pressure in his face.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
And that's where I disagree. Look, we may not ever agree on this but we can debate it all day. I find the debate fun.

Imo, it is almost impossible for two evenly matched guys to separate themselves in practice. Practices are scripted, you're going against your own guys and most is not full speed, even when it's "full speed".

Game situations against another team are better barometers because guys are in a more gameday environment. Seeing things they don't normally see, facing a live rush, getting calls in a noisy stadium, playing in front of a huge crowd, dealing with that and dealing with teammates dealing with that. It's just completely different.




I think the problem is that the competition is being sold as equal. It wasn't.

And of course there are people that would have preferred mallett start. Is that really a stretch to understand? Younger. Thought to have a better arm. Taller, played well when given a chance last year.

Look, it's almost like if we'd have taken Derrick Carr or bridgewater or manziel. Guys would not want a guy like Hoyer playing over them and would rather see what the young guy had. It's not about being given a job. Guys are given jobs all the time.

The issue here is:

1) the qb comp was a farce in many people's opinions. Mine too.

2) mallett is younger with more upside and showed some promise last year among many other things. Yes he has warts. All players do.

My personal issue is not that mallett isn't starting. Or that Hoyer is. I just am not fond of the bs qb competition.

But as I have stated. Hoyer is OBs choice. This isn't about mallett not stepping up. OB wanted these guys so whatever happens is ultimately a reflection of him.
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Yep,pretty much. The coach called plays to accent one player vs displaying the strength of each player. Why would you dink and dunk with a guy with a cannon? Even in preseason, you let a guy like mallett throw deep breaking routes. 5 step 20yd comeback,post,and out routes. Yet, we see plays Hoyer can do and it's not like he was great at those.
 
leebigeztx said:
On that overload blitz w/O any disguise, Hoyer had the middle of the field open. Because he's a smallish guy, (6'1) he has trouble with pressure in his face.
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Are we talking about the same play at the 12:11 mark in the second quarter?

The ball was snapped right after the 12:11 mark.
Just before the 12:09 mark, Hoyer was already falling down throwing the ball away.

The TE had yet to become open.
 
Kenny Rogers sure is, LOL.


He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

Every gambler knows
That the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep"
 
leebigeztx said:
Yep,pretty much. The coach called plays to accent one player vs displaying the strength of each player. Why would you dink and dunk with a guy with a cannon? Even in preseason, you let a guy like mallett throw deep breaking routes. 5 step 20yd comeback,post,and out routes. Yet, we see plays Hoyer can do and it's not like he was great at those.
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I don't recall Mallett throwing deep on any routes game two.
 
76Texan said:
Kenny Rogers sure is, LOL.


He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

Every gambler knows
That the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep"
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I think that is Ric Smith's theme song
 
infantrycak said:
No let's have some bunny fun.



The stats for Schaub were easily identifiable - 2009.



LT to the pro bowl and all pro for Browns. Nobody for the Texans. Brown and Myers hadn't been to a pro bowl yet (Brown was in his 2nd year when people were deciding he didn't totally suck). White and Studdard at G not long for the league.



1728 Browns at 3.6 ypc vs. 1425 Texans at 3.5 ypc.



Studdard and White became starters due to injury.



5857 vs 5197 yds
337 vs 333 pts

Points say tie.



Schaub had OD for 8 games. The TEs combined for 900 yds. Cleveland TEs had 820 yds.



Schaub had Slaton, Moats and 1 start from Foster.



Please do.
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Like I said, I still have my notes on many of those games, but it would take a long time, I'm not sure when I'll have time, if at all.

The few things I can point out at this moment are:

1. Joe Thomas isn't what he used to be; he made Pro-Bowl partially based on his name.

2. The Texans substitutes were under-estimated.
I know that at the time - in the off-season, I had posted some film study threads saying they weren't trash... definitely not like the Browns substitutes were.

3. No matter what, Schaub had a whole lot more weapons in 2009 than Hoyer did in 2014.
He had playmakers that can make some plays for him; Hoyer didn't.

4. This, I had looked up, using the play finder feature on Profootball Reference.
The Texans (and we all know Kubiak well) run more on third down - those famous draws.

They also had an inconsistent season when they would have a few blowouts in which they started to run in the fourth quarter just to kill the clock.
Even Schaub had many kneel downs that count as negative yardage on the stats sheets.
The Texans also faced more third and short when they ran the ball.

All this add up to further skew the rushing yardage figure.

5. Schaub had that last game against the Pats in which they rest 7 of their defensive starters.

Am I mistaken on some of these?
 
76Texan said:
Sure, Mallett always has that laser.
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Did you see the rainbow floater that Mallett through to Mumphery at the end of the second quarter? I think there was 1:18 left. NO player was called for pi, but Mumph would have had a chance to catch it had he not been held. Mallett showing some touch.
 
I'm also concerned when Brian Hoyer is blitzed. Opposing defenses will do it often, if not every time, on third and long passing situations against us. We better have a play that works against it.

Otherwise I'd be okay with Hoyer just falling down, throwing it away, or whatever else that isn't a turnover. I heard Bill O'Brien yelling at Ryan Mallett and the offensive players in practice a few weeks ago, "Don't turn the ball over! If we have to punt then that's fine. Our defense will get the ball back!"

Bill O'Brien just wants good consistent play with no turnovers.
Something that Ryan Mallett, for whatever reason, struggles with.
Yeah he looks good at times. Like an all pro in fact. But no consistency.

Ryan Mallett has a Dan Marino-like release in the pocket. He has the touch of Aaron Rodgers as well. He's got all the special tools to become something amazing but he lacks the intelligence and displays no consistency. Ironically, you'd think he'd be a lot smarter playing behind Tom Brady all those years. His brain is the one weakness he has.

Brian Hoyer has shown Bill O'Brien more consistency throughout the entire process. That doesn't mean he's the better quarterback it just means he's the starting quarterback for that very reason: Consistency.
 
TexansBull said:
Did you see the rainbow floater that Mallett through to Mumphery at the end of the second quarter? I think there was 1:18 left. NO player was called for pi, but Mumph would have had a chance to catch it had he not been held. Mallett showing some touch.
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I don't worry about his arm; you can always work on touch.

I think what's more important to OB is that his QB should be able to make use of the weapons he has on the field.

You're a point guard; you need to know which guy is open in certain situation.

That way, you can have easy baskets.

Make the right pass.
If your man is open, even if your pass is off, he has time to adjust to it.

Do I make sense?
 
To be honest, none of our QB's give me high hopes. Foster missing for 5 games or more might wreck the whole season.
Hoyer/Mallett/Savage don't strike me as "put the team on their shoulders" kinds of guys..
 
speedfreek said:
To be honest, none of our QB's give me high hopes. Foster missing for 5 games or more might wreck the whole season.
Hoyer/Mallett/Savage don't strike me as "put the team on their shoulders" kinds of guys..
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I agree. We'll be lucky to go .500

Might as well get the QB thing out of the way. Throw Mallet out there, see if he can do something. If not, let's see what we got in Savage. We're wasting our time trying to see if Hoyer can get us to the play-offs. I think it's going to play out like it did in Cleveland. We'll be talking about play-off possibilities in October.. watch them slip away in November, then We'll be pulling our hair out in December.
 
thunderkyss said:
Might as well get the QB thing out of the way. Throw Mallet out there, see if he can do something. If not, let's see what we got in Savage. We're wasting our time trying to see if Hoyer can get us to the play-offs. I think it's going to play out like it did in Cleveland. We'll be talking about play-off possibilities in October.. watch them slip away in November, then We'll be pulling our hair out in December.
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Meet ya in the draft forum around January ... ?
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. We'll be lucky to go .500

Might as well get the QB thing out of the way. Throw Mallet out there, see if he can do something. If not, let's see what we got in Savage. We're wasting our time trying to see if Hoyer can get us to the play-offs. I think it's going to play out like it did in Cleveland. We'll be talking about play-off possibilities in October.. watch them slip away in November, then We'll be pulling our hair out in December.
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Hehe, TK

What did you agree with speedfrek on?
 
Groundhog Day like every other year. Quarterback guru is sure he can turn lemons into lemonade. Hope it works this year.
 
Playoffs said:
Adam Caplan @caplannfl
On Hoyer decision, my understanding is that he was the most consistent of the 2 QBs from practice to practice.​

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Ah, I remember in 7th grade we were challenged to find and correct the error in this sentence: The fastest of the two was the fat man. Hoyer may have been the more consistent of the two, but was he the most consistent of the three?
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. We'll be lucky to go .500

Might as well get the QB thing out of the way. Throw Mallet out there, see if he can do something. If not, let's see what we got in Savage. We're wasting our time trying to see if Hoyer can get us to the play-offs. I think it's going to play out like it did in Cleveland. We'll be talking about play-off possibilities in October.. watch them slip away in November, then We'll be pulling our hair out in December.
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I'm hoping for a Kansas City like performance from the Texans. I'm hoping Hoyer/Mallett will provide Alex Smith-level QB play. We have a decent set of WRs in Hopkins & co. Foster would be my Jamal Charles when healthy. We have a defense on par with theirs if not better. But is Godsey/O'Brien on par with the Walrus when it comes to game management and play calling? If so, we can be in the hunt just like they were.
In fact, we only have Luck to contend with. They have Peyton and Philip Rivers.

...of course this could be the koolaid talking
:koolaid:
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm hoping for a Kansas City like performance from the Texans. I'm hoping Hoyer/Mallett will provide Alex Smith-level QB play. We have a decent set of WRs in Hopkins & co. Foster would be my Jamal Charles when healthy. We have a defense on par with theirs if not better. But is Godsey/O'Brien on par with the Walrus when it comes to game management and play calling? If so, we can be in the hunt just like they were.
In fact, we only have Luck to contend with. They have Peyton and Philip Rivers.

...of course this could be the koolaid talking
:koolaid:
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They also have Kubes to contend with.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. We'll be lucky to go .500

Might as well get the QB thing out of the way. Throw Mallet out there, see if he can do something. If not, let's see what we got in Savage. We're wasting our time trying to see if Hoyer can get us to the play-offs. I think it's going to play out like it did in Cleveland. We'll be talking about play-off possibilities in October.. watch them slip away in November, then We'll be pulling our hair out in December.
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We could be sitting pretty with a 6-2 record halfway through the season with the return of Arian Foster and a dominating defense. If that happens we'd be foolish not to be talking about playoff possibilities. In fact, a 4-0 start is possible the first month of the season. We could be undefeated going into our first showdown with the Colts. Arian Foster may even return for that Week 5 game against the Colts. How huge would that be?
 
Bulls on Parade said:
We could be sitting pretty with a 6-2 record halfway through the season with the return of Arian Foster and a dominating defense. If that happens we'd be foolish not to be talking about playoff possibilities. In fact, a 4-0 start is possible the first month of the season. We could be undefeated going into our first showdown with the Colts. Arian Foster may even return for that Week 5 game against the Colts. How huge would that be?
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I'm pragmatic. With Hoyer at the helm and no Foster for half a season, I simply cannot expect playoffs. If it happens to be that Hoyer without Foster plays well above his head, then there might be the possibility. But if I go in expecting Hoyer to do that, I am going to be disappointed. Because as has been pointed out, he appeared to be a competent QB when the Brown were rushing for 150+ a game at the start of the season. Not so much after their running game disappeared. What he is being asked to do to start the season with the Texans is what he was asked to do starting week 5 last year for the Browns. We saw how that turned out. Will be happy if he does, but not setting myself up for that disappointment...
 
Bulls on Parade said:
We could be sitting pretty with a 6-2 record halfway through the season with the return of Arian Foster and a dominating defense. If that happens we'd be foolish not to be talking about playoff possibilities. In fact, a 4-0 start is possible the first month of the season. We could be undefeated going into our first showdown with the Colts. Arian Foster may even return for that Week 5 game against the Colts. How huge would that be?
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Or the Texans could be sitting at 2-6 or go 0-4. The OL scares me right now, who knows how the running game is going to look and those two things spell big trouble for any QB, much more so for Hoyer as Cleveland saw last season. I can't imagine penciling in a win against any team right now. I'm in 0-0 mode each week until at least Foster is back and in football shape.
 
DocBar said:
Or the Texans could be sitting at 2-6 or go 0-4. The OL scares me right now, who knows how the running game is going to look and those two things spell big trouble for any QB, much more so for Hoyer as Cleveland saw last season. I can't imagine penciling in a win against any team right now. I'm in 0-0 mode each week until at least Foster is back and in football shape.
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I'm with you and I think we are going to find out in short order because the Chiefs pass rush is no joke. If Hoyer passes that test, even in a loss I will cut the guy some slack. But if as I suspect, he gets blasted for failing to recognize the blitz and make them pay. I will be wanting to see Mallett sooner rather than later.
 
DocBar said:
Or the Texans could be sitting at 2-6 or go 0-4. The OL scares me right now, who knows how the running game is going to look and those two things spell big trouble for any QB, much more so for Hoyer as Cleveland saw last season. I can't imagine penciling in a win against any team right now. I'm in 0-0 mode each week until at least Foster is back and in football shape.
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I'm thinking 3-3. The running game will be hard to come by the first two weeks against the Chiefs and Panthers. The next 3 weeks, not so much. Tamp, Atlanta, and Indy should be good for the running game to get its confidence back. Hoyer should be able to do enough in the first 6 games for a 3-3 record. The defense may do more than enough to get it to 4-2, with a few lucky breaks.
 
Nitrofish said:
Better QB than anyone on the Roster today. That's a fact.



Not following, but see answer above.


Sure is easy to see who is a Hoyer Pole smoker since they are the ones who reacted. Have a snickers already.
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When people said things about Schaub, you call them hater.

When people said good things about Hoyer, you start calling them names.

I hate to say this, but you don't have a very open mind.

You like to use words to incite people for your own pleasure. That is one trait of a hater.

Have a good day.
 
76Texan said:
When people said things about Schaub, you call them hater.

When people said good things about Hoyer, you start calling them names.

I hate to say this, but you don't have a very open mind.

You like to use words to incite people for your own pleasure. That is one trait of a hater.

Have a good day.
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I'm crushed you would say such a thing. lol Listen, please do not compare a journeyman like Hoyer with someone like Schaub who unlike Hoyer has actually accomplished something in the league.

What would you know about how open my mind is? And look who is talking. You consider yourself some great football analyst and take every opportunity to tell everyone how much film you watch, etc. You have your opinions and I have mine. Doesn't make either one of them worth $hit.

Give me an example of words I used to incite people for my own pleasure. WTF?! Is this a football forum or a hormone replacement therapy session? Where can I look up the rest of the traits of a hater so as not to hurt your feelings again?
 
Nitrofish said:
I'm crushed you would say such a thing. lol Listen, please do not compare a journeyman like Hoyer with someone like Schaub who unlike Hoyer has actually accomplished something in the league.

What would you know about how open my mind is? And look who is talking. You consider yourself some great football analyst and take every opportunity to tell everyone how much film you watch, etc. You have your opinions and I have mine. Doesn't make either one of them worth $hit.

Give me an example of words I used to incite people for my own pleasure. WTF?! Is this a football forum or a hormone replacement therapy session? Where can I look up the rest of the traits of a hater so as not to hurt your feelings again?
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For a definition, all you need to do is reread your own posts.
I'm not sure if you can see anything there with the state of mind youyou're currently in, but it can be a start.

If you'd rather not do that, it's understandable.

I'm doing a 360 now.

If you like to reply, by all mean, do.
I won't bother to read.
 
beerlover said:
Matt Blanchard who was just released by Packers impressed me in last preseason game I saw against Eagles. He looks like excellent fit in O'Brian offense. Ron Wolff knows a little bout finding NFL QB's.
http://m.jsonline.com/sports/packer...ers-cut-by-packers-b99568222z1-323810601.html
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I doubt seriously that this close to the season, with a complicated our system is for a QB, OB is going to be interested in going after a QB, unless one of ours goes down long term.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I doubt seriously that this close to the season, with a complicated our system is for a QB, OB is going to be interested in going after a QB, unless one of ours goes down long term.
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Which may in part explain, difficulty addressing long standing QB situation for Texans. I mean it's either timing off, cost involved or perceived needs. Lol

I'm just commenting based off limited tape Blanchard has franchise QB tools, IMO :barman:
 
76Texan said:
I don't worry about his arm; you can always work on touch.

I think what's more important to OB is that his QB should be able to make use of the weapons he has on the field.

You're a point guard; you need to know which guy is open in certain situation.

That way, you can have easy baskets.

Make the right pass.
If your man is open, even if your pass is off, he has time to adjust to it.

Do I make sense?
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You are making sense. Stop it. It isn't allowed on the internet.

Good job taking all the heat you are getting for your Hoyer support. We need someone to argue with.
 
Cassel was available last off season, we weren't interested. May have been a money deal, he resigned with Minnesota 2 years $10M. Then of course traded to Buffalo.
 
WolverineFan said:
Only way we would add Cassel would be if we cut Mallett. Hoyer is the starter and we aren't cutting Savage. Besides we already have a Cassel clone on the roster.
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Yes, we take him if we can get him. Even if we have to release Mallett.
 
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