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The season is 16 games and Mallett will kick the cat today but will be back ready to step up when called. I like Mallett and he was my dog in the hunt so now i'm buying into Hoyer. I'm an optimist and expect very good play from him putting us at 10-6. The defense win 6 of those games.
 
DocBar said:
You keep replying like a dumbass newb. Dirkadirkadirka. "You're the starter. You're the back up. Prep like you're the backup." That doesn't happen on any NFL roster. Even those with Brady, Rodgers and Manning. Did Seegera hack your account?
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What's a Dirka?

Is it something that makes people illogically angry?

Or just 10% of them?
 
Any other year, they would refuse to comment further until the story died. Can't do that with HK around, so we'll see.

But if Mallett can't sleep because he's upset, I'd be reluctant to pass judgement so quickly. He's 27, and he's running out of time. He was a child phenom quarterback with a football coach father, so there's a lifetime of expectations riding him. Those expectations really mess with your head if you grow to 6'7", study under Tom Brady, and then lose one opportunity to injury. Then, if you have all those expectations and missed opportunities rattling around in your head while you get beat by someone who you feel is less talented, that's some heavy **** to deal with. And the world is watching you. At the very least you'll lose some sleep.

Yeah, plenty of other quarterbacks just deal with it, so it's easy to say "Act professional." But Mallet has some child phenom baggage and football coach father issues complicating it, and that would mess with your head no matter how strong you think you are.
 
Brisco_County said:
But if Mallett can't sleep because he's upset, I'd be reluctant to pass judgement so quickly. He's 27, and he's running out of time. He was a child phenom quarterback with a football coach father, so there's a lifetime of expectations riding him. Those expectations really mess with your head if you grow to 6'7", study under Tom Brady, and then lose one opportunity to injury. Then, if you have all those expectations and missed opportunities rattling around in your head while you get beat by someone who you feel is less talented, that's some heavy **** to deal with. And the world is watching you. At the very least you'll lose some sleep.
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Can't sleep? Sounds more like the recipe for a hangover. :)


Just a joke - I doubt he was hungover.
 
There have been comments re. Wilfork's supposed luke warm remarks towards Nix as opposed to glowing remarks about Covington. As I look at the very much different questions he fielded about the two, context makes it clearer to me that there was no demeaning of Nix's attitude, effort or performance.


(on what he’s seen from rookie DT Christian Covington) “He’s a hard, hard worker. I mean he’s coachable. He has so much passion for the game. It’s tough to be a nose tackle and to ask to do some certain things. Sometimes they look at how I play a play and they really can’t play a play like I play, just the size difference and strength difference, but at the same time, he has some quickness that I don’t have. I think we have to do a real good job of using the tools that we have and what we don’t have try to learn how to use them, and try to get better using them. Our skill sets are a little different but at the same time we both – the one thing that I always like in a player is the passion that you have for the game, and he’s a guy that has so much passion. He works hard, he don’t complain, that’s a good thing. He has some good traits about him that he should be a good professional at this level because of what he’s given to the game. He’s just a hard worker and I’m happy to be in the room with him. He asks questions. I love to work with him. I just love the way he approaches every game. Every practice he approaches with the right attitude, so that’s a good thing for him. It’ll pay off for him in the long run.”

(on his thoughts on NT Louis Nix III and giving him guidance) “Well I don’t try to look at guys and critique guys. That’s not what I do. I just try to pass on a little knowledge and a little wisdom that I have playing the game the way I played it for all these years. Being in a similar system to what we have here, I’m always just giving pointers, and I’m trying to make guys understand the game, not just a certain play. You need to understand the game in general and look at it from a different scope. That’s what I like to do. I don’t just like to look at the center or the guards, I like to look at the whole offense and I like to see the offense break the huddle and see what they’re in. I like to look at the running back and see where his eyes are, I like to look at the receivers. Is it slot, is it pro, is it trips, is it wild wide, I like to see the whole thing and that’s one of the things I try to teach the guys is formation recognition. Just being able to recognize formations, because nine times out of 10, if you can be able to recognize that, the offense will give you what they want to do. So it’s just being a smart football player. If we can do that, we’ll be very successful. That’s one of the goals of mine is trying to get the guys in my room to understand that especially the younger guys that really don’t have much playing time under their belt. Just to understand the whole aspect of the game, not just the guys they’re playing in front of but all 11 on offense. That’s something that I’m going to continue to work on because I think that’ll make us a better defense.”
 
If it's true that Mallet overslept, he's just drawn the wrong kind of attention to himself. Rightly or wrongly, his professionalism, attitude, and maturity is going to come under scrutiny. It's gonna make him look bad at the wrong time.

It will be interesting to see who plays first after Hoyer comes out in the Saints game.
 
Marcus said:
If it's true that Mallet overslept, he's just drawn the wrong kind of attention to himself. Rightly or wrongly, his professionalism, attitude, and maturity is going to come under scrutiny. It's gonna make him look bad at the wrong time.

It will be interesting to see who plays first after Hoyer comes out in the Saints game.
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There's more to it than oversleeping. His attitude sucks right now. If he had a great attitude and was working hard I doubt O'Brien would have sent him home.
 
Brisco_County said:
Any other year, they would refuse to comment further until the story died. Can't do that with HK around, so we'll see.

But if Mallett can't sleep because he's upset, I'd be reluctant to pass judgement so quickly. He's 27, and he's running out of time. He was a child phenom quarterback with a football coach father, so there's a lifetime of expectations riding him. Those expectations really mess with your head if you grow to 6'7", study under Tom Brady, and then lose one opportunity to injury. Then, if you have all those expectations and missed opportunities rattling around in your head while you get beat by someone who you feel is less talented, that's some heavy **** to deal with. And the world is watching you. At the very least you'll lose some sleep.

Yeah, plenty of other quarterbacks just deal with it, so it's easy to say "Act professional." But Mallet has some child phenom baggage and football coach father issues complicating it, and that would mess with your head no matter how strong you think you are.
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There's just one problem with that. Whether you get enough sleep or not, you get your ass out of bed when the alarm clock goes off.
 
I don't know if its Hard Knocks being around or Obrien's way combined with how PR conscious the Texans brass has always been, but it seems like this years camp has been one huge soap opera over basically nothing different that any other year. I guess thats why I wasn't even the least bit excited about them being on hard knocks because its basically the same show every year you just change the teams/players name. I might be the only fan with HBO that hasn't wait one second of the show.
 
texanhead08 said:
I don't know if its Hard Knocks being around or Obrien's way combined with how PR conscious the Texans brass has always been, but it seems like this years camp has been one huge soap opera over basically nothing different that any other year. I guess thats why I wasn't even the least bit excited about them being on hard knocks because its basically the same show every year you just change the teams/players name. I might be the only fan with HBO that hasn't wait one second of the show.
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Shame. It's been pretty f*ckin' entertaining.
 
banned1976 said:
There's more to it than oversleeping. His attitude sucks right now. If he had a great attitude and was working hard I doubt O'Brien would have sent him home.
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Other than missing his alarm and being late to a practice three days after the QB announcement, what has he done to warrant saying his attitude sucks?
 
Dude was a consummate professional last year. Before he was even signed this year he showed up at a Texans PR event at Texas Children's. He signed here for less that he could have with the Jets. He never said one word outside the party line during OTA and TC. He was honest enough about how he felt not getting the starting gig and I have a hell of a lot of respect for his honesty. If he didn't feel that way, I don't want him on my team. Shows up and does his work for two days after the announcement. But shows up late for practice yesterday and he is unprofessional and immature. Whatever.
 
sandman said:
Dude was a consummate professional last year. Before he was even signed this year he showed up at a Texans PR event at Texas Children's. He signed here for less that he could have with the Jets. He never said one word outside the party line during OTA and TC. He was honest enough about how he felt not getting the starting gig and I have a hell of a lot of respect for his honesty. If he didn't feel that way, I don't want him on my team. Shows up and does his work for two days after the announcement. But shows up late for practice yesterday and he is unprofessional and immature. Whatever.
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Agreed. A bunch of drama queens on this board.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There have been comments re. Wilfork's supposed luke warm remarks towards Nix as opposed to glowing remarks about Covington. As I look at the very much different questions he fielded about the two, context makes it clearer to me that there was no demeaning of Nix's attitude, effort or performance.


(on what he’s seen from rookie DT Christian Covington) “He’s a hard, hard worker. I mean he’s coachable. He has so much passion for the game. It’s tough to be a nose tackle and to ask to do some certain things. Sometimes they look at how I play a play and they really can’t play a play like I play, just the size difference and strength difference, but at the same time, he has some quickness that I don’t have. I think we have to do a real good job of using the tools that we have and what we don’t have try to learn how to use them, and try to get better using them. Our skill sets are a little different but at the same time we both – the one thing that I always like in a player is the passion that you have for the game, and he’s a guy that has so much passion. He works hard, he don’t complain, that’s a good thing. He has some good traits about him that he should be a good professional at this level because of what he’s given to the game. He’s just a hard worker and I’m happy to be in the room with him. He asks questions. I love to work with him. I just love the way he approaches every game. Every practice he approaches with the right attitude, so that’s a good thing for him. It’ll pay off for him in the long run.”

(on his thoughts on NT Louis Nix III and giving him guidance) “Well I don’t try to look at guys and critique guys. That’s not what I do. I just try to pass on a little knowledge and a little wisdom that I have playing the game the way I played it for all these years. Being in a similar system to what we have here, I’m always just giving pointers, and I’m trying to make guys understand the game, not just a certain play. You need to understand the game in general and look at it from a different scope. That’s what I like to do. I don’t just like to look at the center or the guards, I like to look at the whole offense and I like to see the offense break the huddle and see what they’re in. I like to look at the running back and see where his eyes are, I like to look at the receivers. Is it slot, is it pro, is it trips, is it wild wide, I like to see the whole thing and that’s one of the things I try to teach the guys is formation recognition. Just being able to recognize formations, because nine times out of 10, if you can be able to recognize that, the offense will give you what they want to do. So it’s just being a smart football player. If we can do that, we’ll be very successful. That’s one of the goals of mine is trying to get the guys in my room to understand that especially the younger guys that really don’t have much playing time under their belt. Just to understand the whole aspect of the game, not just the guys they’re playing in front of but all 11 on offense. That’s something that I’m going to continue to work on because I think that’ll make us a better defense.”
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Guess I have a different definition of "critique" than VW.

It was just an observation on my part, no biggie. If Nix needs VW's approval then he is in the wrong profession. However, if he doesn't pick VWs brain and learn from him, shame on him.

Side note: I really appreciate all the professional information you add to the site concerning player injuries and rehab.
 
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sandman said:
That article has 7 words: How could Ryan Mallett allow this to happen?

Assuming you have to join to be able to read the rest?
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Copy the title and google it. The link will go around the subscription. No idea why that works. Someone tried to explain it one time, but give it a whirl.

How could Ryan Mallett allow this to happen?

A handful of interceptions, a couple bad games, or possibly even one lousy snap away from the job of his dreams - starting quarterback in the NFL - Mallett showed up late and missed practice Thursday.

He overslept, according to the Chronicle's Texans beat writer, John McClain.

It isn't going out on limb to presume the Texans' backup didn't have a valid excuse for his extended beauty sleep.

If he did, coach Bill O'Brien would have shared it when he made an unscheduled appearance before the media after the workout.

Instead, O'Brien said he would keep details of Mallett's absence between the two of them and that it was "a personal issue."

In other words, Mallett didn't have an acceptable justification: An illness kept him up late at night. An LBJ Day Eve function ran into the wee hours …

Let's not be too hard on the guy. We all make mistakes.

But while this isn't a career-threatening error, it could hurt Mallett tremendously.

Mallett knows how he is perceived by some. He even brought it up last year, saying he is "not as dumb as people believe."

He was talking about football IQ.

"If they think I'm a dumb player, fine," Mallett said. "That's my advantage there."

Well, not when it comes to earning the most important position on the team. Not when you play for a guy like O'Brien.

There is a reason O'Brien so often refers to his players as smart.

He desires that. And ina quarterback, he demands it.

If Mallett comprehended coachspeak, he would have shown up for work an hour early every day this week and early every day until the job was his.

I can assure you that is what O'Brien hoped for.

Mallett must not have understood what O'Brien meant when he told him he had better be ready to play because his chance could come at any moment.

He didn't grasp that Hoyer is on such a short leash that O'Brien made it a point to tell Hoyer and the world he is not on a short leash. O'Brien's nose didn't appear to grow when he said it. Then again, the "Hard Knocks" cameras weren't shooting a close-up at the time.

It is almost impossible for an NFL head coach to be less definitive than O'Brien was in naming Hoyer the starter.

Hoyer had reason to be upset with the manner in which the big news was delivered. O'Brien didn't say anything close to "Hoyer is the man, and we believe in him."

Coachspeak

HBO's editing of the footage might have made this less obvious than it would have been were you in the room, but O'Brien didn't even give Hoyer the satisfaction of telling him he was the starter.

He addressed Mallett and told him he had picked Hoyer. Then he went on to explain why he made that decision and pointed out there was not much of adifference between thetwo.

If Mallett interpreted the coachspeak, he would have heard the job is Hoyer's … for now.

By oversleeping and missing practice Thursday, Mallett wasn't being professional about it.

He wasn't preparing like a starter. He wasn't getting ready to play.

Much more is expected from a guy so close to being the guy.

Maybe that is why he is the guy behind the guy.
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infantrycak said:
Copy the title and google it. The link will go around the subscription. No idea why that works. Someone tried to explain it one time, but give it a whirl.
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:brickwall: Problem is when you do have a subscription, it's hard to find the link that goes around it. Eriadoc explained how to do it once, but I guess I missed a step. Thanks for printing it out.
 
infantrycak said:
Copy the title and google it. The link will go around the subscription. No idea why that works. Someone tried to explain it one time, but give it a whirl.
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Wow, an entire article about Mallett not being the guy because he overslept one day. Trying really hard to make some hard hitting journalism there.
 
Marcus said:
:brickwall: Problem is when you do have a subscription, it's hard to find the link that goes around it. Eriadoc explained how to do it once, but I guess I missed a step. Thanks for printing it out.
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http://cachedview.com/

When you hit a subscription block, paste the URL in the above...

It works for articles that have been posted long enough for the crawler to add them.
 
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
Bill O'Brien on Jadeveon Clowney: 'He's on track to play Week One. We feel good about where he is. He won't play in preseason games.'

Bill O'Brien praises tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz, says he's improved a lot.

Bill O'Brien said he doesn't think Duane Brown will need surgery

Bill O'Brien said Ryan Mallett still second on the depth chart

Bill O'Brien: 'I think Brian Hoyer had one of his better practices, situationally and solid.'

Bill O'Brien: 'Duane Brown has a hand injury, it's basically day to day. Not in serious category. Won't play against New Orleans.'​

Dale Robertson ‏@sportywineguy
BOB: Likes his short-yardage defense better. But won't complain if it improves, too.

BOB: Says offense in short-yardage has improved but must get better.

BOB: Any time have opportunity in game you have a chance to make the team.

BOB: Also reiterates that he'll treat Saints game very much like first two games. It won't be a regular-season dress rehearsal.

BOB: Deflected question about Mallett to talk about @bhoyer7 saying he had one of his best practices.

BOB: @DuaneBrown76 has a hand injury and won't play against Saints. Not serious, according to coach.

BOB: Reiterates "situation" with Mallett stays inside the team. No further comment.​

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Bill O'Brien said doesn't expect @DuaneBrown76 hand injury 2cause him to miss regular season opener but as always has right 2change his mind

Bill O'Brien said Jadeveon Clowney will not play in any of the preseason games. #Texans

Bill O'Brien said Duane Brown's hand injury will be able to heal on its own.

Bill O'Brien confirmed Ryan Mallett, as expected, remains the team's backup quarterback & will play along w/ Brian Hoyer& Tom Savage Sunday

Bill O'Brien said what happened yesterday w/ Ryan Mallett is between the 2 of the them. O'Brien said some things are best left within the team

Bill O'Brien says Duane Brown has a hand injury, will miss some time, considered day-to-day, will not play against Saints.

Ryan Mallett went thru practice today with #Texans,1 day after oversleeping & missing Thursday workout. Mallett did attend meetings yesterday​

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
"There's only so many chances left, for a lot of guys."-O'Brien on looming roster cuts from 90 to 75, then 75 to 53.

O'Brien: Mallett is still #2 on the depth chart.

O'Brien: Brian Hoyer had a good practice today. One of his better practices as a Texan.

O'Brien: LT Duane Brown has a hand injury, will "miss some time here" and is day to day. Not playing vs. Saints.​

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
We requested to speak with Mallett today. Though he is not one of the Texans' designated once-a-week talkers, he was not made available.

Asked about Mallett's day of practice OB praised Hoyer, said Savage did some "decent things" then said Mallett "did some things."

O'Brien said there was no concern Duane Brown miss the regular season opener. Then he came back to say it's possible that changes.

O'Brien is asked about how Ryan Mallett's day of practice was. He replies that Brian Hoyer had one of his better practices. #Texans

Duane Brown had a cast-like thing on his right wrist. O'Brien said Brown is day to day. Will miss time. Wouldn't call it serious. #Texans

Bill O'Brien comes in and addresses Ryan Mallett's situation. Says he won't take any questions on Mallett. #Texans​

Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant
Charles James says he'd be more worried about impending roster cuts more if he didn't put his best foot forward.​

Chris Polk was flattered by O'Brien, Rick Smith conversation on #HardKnocks. Especially since he played only about "6 minutes"

O'Brien on starters typically playing 3 quarters in third preseason game: "That will not be the case for us." #Texans

O'Brien confirms that Mallett is still No. 2 on the depth chart. #Texans

O'Brien says he respects job of media but won't be answering any questions on Mallett: Some things are better left within the team. #Texans

O'Brien says LT Duane Brown has a hand injury and will miss some time: It's day-to-day. I wouldn't put it in the serious category.​

Houston Texans ‏@HoustonTexans
O'Brien: "I thought we had a really good practice today. It was spirited, very competitive, especially at certain positions."

O'Brien: "Duane Brown has a hand injury. He's going to miss some time here. It's basically day-to-day. He will not play against New Orleans"​

Adam Wexler ‏@awexler
O'Brien says plan w/ starters vs Saints will be similar to 1st two preseason games. Will play a lot of guys.

O'Brien confirmed the obvious, smart thing with Clowney - he will not play in the preseason. Still on track to play opener. #Texans

O'Brien doesnt expect Brown would miss the opener, but moving forward you never know. Said expected it to heal on its own (i.e. no surgery)

Asked about the day that Mallett had back at practice today, O'Brien instead said Hoyer had a great day at practice, situationally, etc.

O'Brien says Duane Brown has hand injury, he's day-to-day, will miss some time,wouldn't categorize it as serious, but he wont play vs Saints

O'Brien opens his presser again that the situation w/ Mallett is b/w O'Brien & Mallett. Says he's taking no questions about Ryan​
 
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I would have rather not heard that our left tackle suffered a hand injury..........especially when Dr. Deepi Sidhu states that "I wouldn't put it in the serious category." The most common "hand injuries" that come to mind...........finger fracture, wrist sprain and wrist tendonitis.
 
Texans Camp Confidential: Friday (8/28)

Here are the notes, quotes, and need-to-know information from Texans training camp on Friday, August 28.

>>> Reserve QB Ryan Mallett returned to practice on Friday after missing on Thursday for “personal reasons”

>>> Bill O’Brien indicated that the “situation” between he and Mallett is between him and the quarterback and did not field any questions regarding the matter. Mallett will play on Sunday and is still listed second on the depth chart.

>>> Mallett was not made available to the media despite the fact that he was requested.

>>> O’Brien commended the play of Brian Hoyer at practice on Friday, despite being asked about how Mallett played. “I thought he did some really good things in practice today. I think Tom (Savage) did some decent things, and when Ryan got in there, he was able to do some things. But I would say, today, Brian Hoyer had one of his better practices. Situationally and all the different things we threw at him, I thought he had a good solid practice today.”

>>> Jadeveon Clowney was involved in team drills including on the goal line plays and O’Brien indicated that he is still on track to play in Week 1 against Kansas City. He will not play in either of the remaining preseason games.

>>> Left tackle Duane Brown was not at practice on Friday. O’Brien indicated that he has an undisclosed hand injury. The injury according to O’Brien and will not play in the preseason game versus New Orleans on Sunday. O’Brien said it was an injury that could heal on its own and will not require a medical procedure

>>> The team continued to work on short yardage and goal line situations. Both offense and defense made plays on the short end of the field. Quintin Demps intercepted a pass and Charles James, who is battling for a roster spot, deflected a ball. O’Brien mentioned in the press conference that he likes the way his team has played goal line defense but the offense has room to grow. “I would say offensively it’s been a little bit hit or miss and it needs to continue to get better. It’s improved but we got to continue to work on that.”

>>> C.J. Feidorowicz caught a touchdown grab at practice from Brian Hoyer and coach O’Brien is pleased with his second year tight end. “C.J. is a much improved player. He’s a good blocker. He’s really gotten better in the passing game. He runs better man to man routes. A lot of times those guys are matched, man to man, even if it’s a zone coverage, they’re still matched in the zone and he’s really improved.”

>>> Coach O’Brien mentioned that many players will suit up versus New Orleans on Sunday and that he will not approach it like most NFL teams tend to. “I know the kind of general consensus out there with everybody is that the third preseason game is—you leave your starters or whatever in there for upwards of two and a half or three quarters, that will not be the case for us. We’re going to get our guys some reps, and then we’re going to make sure we play a bunch of guys. I’m not sure that every single person will play in the game, but a number of guys will get an opportunity to play in the game.”​
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I would have rather not heard that our left tackle suffered a hand injury..........
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Brian Hoyer endorses this sentiment.
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 1h

Newton is a talented OT that can play LT & RT. Not easy to find. Wouldn't ask him to learn another position as well.
[Response to: Cory Selzer @cselzer22
@JaysonBraddock what about kicking Newton inside and starting Adams at RT? At least until XSF is ready]


Jeff Adams has been bad at LG
Ben Jones = bad at LG

They need XSF to come back healthy & improved or 1 of 3 to step up:
White
Slade
Mancz

Whether Duane Brown plays week 1 of the regular season or not, LG is the biggest issue.

[Re. moving Newton to LG] Newton was solid at LT, Adams better at RT...


Yes, he'll play. Percent? 90%
[Response to: Adil Momin @adilmomin786
@JaysonBraddock in your opinion, odds Mallett plays this year? 70%?]


Tom Savage has grown exponentially from '14 to '15.
He's never been allowed to sit, learn & develop. He's in a good situation for 2015.


O'Brien's fiery but he's also intelligent.
Complex offense, most important job after QB in the NFL...backup QB.
Don't force Savage early.

There's a big difference in rewarding & trading. He [Mallet] won't be "rewarded" for yesterday but trade is unlikely, IMO.
 
Vance87 said:
Man, I'm not a huge Hoyer fan or anything but a part of me wants him to go out there and utterly demolish the opposition just to shut some of you the hell up.
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You & OB both. I don't really care for the way he's handling the media when Mallett is concerned. Hallett missed yesterday. Of course the media is going to ask about how he's doing.

But OB wants none of it. He starts talking about Hoyer.

I just think it could've been handled better. Six no one asks him about Hoyer, but it is what it is.
 
thunderkyss said:
You & OB both. I don't really care for the way he's handling the media when Mallett is concerned. Hallett missed yesterday. Of course the media is going to ask about how he's doing.

But OB wants none of it. He starts talking about Hoyer.

I just think it could've been handled better. Six no one asks him about Hoyer, but it is what it is.
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He already said yesterday that it was a personal reason, that's enough.
 
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