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Hard Knocks: Houston Texans 2015

Meh, vulgar comes from the Latin for the common tongue. I'm ok with people talking like people instead of reading a proofread script like a politician.
The source of the word and current usage is independent. While many use vulgarity, it is NOT the language of the people. It is a pathetic attempt to intimidate rather than communicate. And when it's as common as it is now, it loses the intimidating effect and becomes ineffectual and inefficient communication.
 
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‘Hard Knocks: Houston Texans’: Clowney Is Back, a QB1 Is Named, and NASA Is Real
by SHEA SERRANO

The Houston Texans are the subject of this season’s Hard Knocks, HBO’s wonderful mini-documentary series that follows a professional football team for the weeks leading up to the start of the season. Disclosure: The Houston Texans are going to win the Super Bowl this year. Another disclosure: They’re going to go undefeated, too. Final disclosure: I root for the Texans.

Some things that happened last night in Episode 3:

The First Casualty of the Series

Rookie defensive end Jasper Coleman was cut to make space for safety Quintin Demps. A weird thing about these shows is how easy it is to feel connected to someone, even if you had no idea they even existed on Earth two minutes before they were cut, and sometimes especially if you had no idea they even existed on Earth two minutes before they were cut.

They hadn’t highlighted Coleman at all in either of the first two episodes, but when it became clear that he was about to be cut, I felt a very real sense of anxiety and heartbreak for him. The same thing happens if I watch one of those Discovery Channel shows about lions in the savannah. As soon as they start chasing after a gazelle or water buffalo I’m like, “No, no, no. RUN, GAZELLE. RUUUUUUUUUN!” I can’t be the only one who feels like this, right? I’m terrified of watching the last two episodes. The Texans will cut 37 players. I’m not sure I’m ready for that.​
The FUCKS Competition Between Bill O’Brien and Linebackers Coach Mike Vrabel (UPDATE)


Thanks to an uncomfortably numb performance from the Texans offense during their preseason game against the Broncos, coach Bill O’Brien opened this competition up some, hitting 16 variations of FUCK in Episode 3 to just six for Vrabel.

In the interest of specificity, I should mention that O’Brien personally uttered only 11 of them. The other five came from tight end Khari Lee while impersonating O’Brien during the rookie skits vignette, but I’m counting them toward O’Brien’s tally here because this is the FUCKS Competition, not the Olympics, and Lee’s impression was universally recognized as amazing. We have a bit of leeway with the rules.

Series-Long Fuckometer

O’Brien: 37

Vrabel: 25​
The Most Houston Moment of the Episode


The episode ends with Coach O’Brien naming Brian Hoyer the starting quarterback for the 2015 season. Brian Hoyer being the best option at quarterback is the most Houston moment of the episode and also the most Houston moment of the entire franchise. Here are all the quarterbacks who’ve taken a snap for the Houston Texans: David Carr (2002-2006), Dave Ragone (2003), Tony Banks (2003-2005), Sage Rosenfels (2006-2008), Matt Schaub (2007-2013), Rex Grossman (2009), Dan Orlovsky (2010), Matt Leinart (2011), Jake Delhomme (2011), T.J. Yates (2011-2013), Case Keenum (2012-2013), Ryan Fitzpatrick (2014), Ryan Mallett (2014-2015). Here are all the quarterbacks who have been very good:​
All of the Things J.J. Watt Did, Ranked


1. J.J. Watt giving an expletive-filled motivational speech.

This functioned as the opening of the episode, and let me tell you what: J.J. Watt giving a filthy motivational speech about being “the baddest ****** on the planet” is the most potent energy source of all. When he was done yelling at everyone — and I swear to God this is true — I went outside and flipped over three, maybe four cars. I heard this loud noise. I looked two houses down the street to my left. And there was my neighbor, also flipping over cars. He was watching Hard Knocks at the same time. He looked in my eyes, I looked in his. He screamed, “JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY.” I hollered back, “JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY.” And when his JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY sound waves meshed with my JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY sound waves, it turned from sound into a glowing bright light. There was a big sound, this mega big BOOOOM! like what might come if you dropped an atomic bomb onto a factory of atomic bombs. It knocked both of us a good 30 feet back, and I was rendered unconscious from the force. When I woke up, I was in the hospital. It was 20 years later. I’m writing this from the future. Hi from the future.

1a. J.J. Watt forcing a goal-line fumble during practice.

1b. J.J. Watt ripping off his helmet and then shouting “That’s why you put me in the damn game! That’s why you put me in the damn game!” after forcing a goal-line fumble during practice.

1d. J.J. Watt swatting the stuffing out of a tackling dummy.

1d. J.J. Watt swatting the stuffing out of a large human man.

1e. J.J. Watt swatting a pass out of the air during practice and then wagging his finger.

1f. J.J. Watt bragging about having shut down an entire offensive series all by himself.

1g. J.J. Watt throwing footballs over a mile to fans all the way up in the second tier of the stadium. (He was remarkably accurate.)

1h. J.J. Watt laughing at rookie Khari Lee impersonating Bill O’Brien.

1j. J.J. Watt catching balls being fired out of a throwing machine at 500 mph from three feet in front of it.

1k. J.J. Watt giving advice to a rookie.

1l. J.J. Watt taking a nap.​
The Two Players Who Made It Very Easy To Fall In Love With Them This Episode


Rookie wide receiver Uzoma Nwachukwu, who was charming and funny off the field during a trip to NASA’s Space Center Houston, and cornerback Charles James II, who was exciting and effective on the field both during practice and the game against the Broncos. I hope they both make the team. They’ve shown them both more than once so I already care about them deeply.​
The NASA Space Center Houston Trip

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Beautiful. It deserves its own section. Uzoma shined during the segment, all warm energy and sincerity. They let him drive a modular robotic vehicle (a space car, basically), and he looked completely overwhelmed with awe and it was just wonderful. He fired off question after question after question during a tour that, excepting his teammates, was full of children, and they were lush and gorgeous.

At the beginning of the tour:

“This might be a dumb question, but: Y’all, like, have been in space? Like, real life?”

Later in the tour:

“Another dumb question: Is there water on space?”

ON SPACE.

Later in the tour:

“So, the movie Gravity, I have to ask … was that, like, real?”

As they’re walking into a NASA Control Room that’s connected to astronauts currently in space:

“Here’s another dumb quest– [someone shushes him] … Is this real? Is this real? [someone tells him it’s real; he makes a weird, wheezing noise] I didn’t know this was real. Oh my God. Oh my God.”

When he watches a video feed of the astronauts in space turning zero-gravity flips:

“Ohhhh. [laughs] Ohhhhhh. [laughs] Ohhh my … ohhhh my God.”

When he gets a chance to talk to the astronauts in space:

“Hello to you brothers. My name is E.Z. I got a couple questions. I loved Pluto as a planet. Like, what … what happened there?”

“When y’all are up there, is it like a roller coaster?”

“Can we see some of y’all food? Is it cooked? Do you grill it?”

Please, Coach O’Brien, sign him to a max contract immediately.​
The Best Transition Into an Unexpectedly Gross Scene


There was a segment where Charles James was playing both offense and defense during a practice. He did well, and the coaches were excited about him possibly playing running back. The narrator, with his perfectly golden voice, ended that section and led into the next by saying, “Where James will ultimately end up is about as easy to predict as the next thing out of Brian Cushing’s mouth,” and then there’s Brian Cushing just vomiting his whole stomach out.​
JADEVEON CLOWNEY IS BACK


Did you know Jadeveon’s nickname is “Doo Doo”? It is. I read one story that said he got it after he accidentally pooped in a pool as a child and then another story where his mom said he got it because her favorite 2 Live Crew/Uncle Luke song was “I Wanna Rock (Doo Doo Brown).” I don’t think it matters which version is the actual truth, all that matters is that we give him a better nickname ASAP. Let’s get that started, please. Here are five nicknames off the top of my head.

  • The Gravedigger
  • The Butcher
  • Killer Clowney From Outer Space
  • Ja-bae-veon
  • Thor’s Hammer

Maybe collectively we can do better.​
Mike Vrabel is a Man and a Bear and it Makes Me Feel Insecure

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I am 34 years old. I have a wife and three sons, which is proof I have had sex. I bought a home last year. My wife and I have cars and cable and food in the refrigerator and a bunch of other things like that. I (help) take care of the children. I provide for my family. I kill bugs that get inside the house and one time I even touched a lizard with my bare hands. I do all of the things that a man is supposed to do. I know this. I understand this. And yet, when I watch linebackers coach Mike Vrabel during his small segments on Hard Knocks, I do not feel like a man. I feel like a tiny, helpless baby. I’m not sure why Vrabel appears so manly, or even HOW he appears so manly, but he is, and he does. Is it because his neck looks like the base of a 100-year-old oak tree? Is it his shoulders, which are about six feet across (my shoulders are about 18 inches across)? Is it his haircut? Is it the bass in his voice? What is it? I think it’s that underneath all of that, underneath his mountain body — it’s that he’s insightful, which is more intimidating than all of that other stuff.

During the preseason game against the Broncos that was shown on this week’s episode, Coach O’Brien got to shouting about wanting somebody to have “some juice” on the football field, which is what the coaching staff says when they want someone to do something exciting. Rookie linebacker Lynden Trail made several key plays in a row after that, then charged off the field shouting about having the juice. He said something about having done it for Vrabel, and the coach immediately responded, “Don’t do it for me, do it for you,” and that’s for real just some super dad and man advice and insight.

I love you, Mike Vrabel. I love you so much. Make me a better man, Mike Vrabel.​
 
We disagree. But I wouldn't want to take your side of the maturity argument. But go for it.

What are you disagreeing about exactly? There was no punchline to the Cush scene. Athletes working in that environment do overheat and react that way, as I would imagine you know. But there are probably plenty of people who weren't terribly aware of it that maybe saw a different perspective on the "superathlete" for it. It was just a common human element.

And being repulsed at swear words is entirely of your own volition. Those words have no supernatural effect on you. Shrieking and being taken aback is just as unnecessary as you believe using those very words is. They. are. just. other. words.
 
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‘Hard Knocks: Houston Texans’: Clowney Is Back, a QB1 Is Named, and NASA Is Real
by SHEA SERRANO

The Houston Texans are the subject of this season’s Hard Knocks, HBO’s wonderful mini-documentary series that follows a professional football team for the weeks leading up to the start of the season. Disclosure: The Houston Texans are going to win the Super Bowl this year. Another disclosure: They’re going to go undefeated, too. Final disclosure: I root for the Texans.

Some things that happened last night in Episode 3:

The First Casualty of the Series

Rookie defensive end Jasper Coleman was cut to make space for safety Quintin Demps. A weird thing about these shows is how easy it is to feel connected to someone, even if you had no idea they even existed on Earth two minutes before they were cut, and sometimes especially if you had no idea they even existed on Earth two minutes before they were cut.

They hadn’t highlighted Coleman at all in either of the first two episodes, but when it became clear that he was about to be cut, I felt a very real sense of anxiety and heartbreak for him. The same thing happens if I watch one of those Discovery Channel shows about lions in the savannah. As soon as they start chasing after a gazelle or water buffalo I’m like, “No, no, no. RUN, GAZELLE. RUUUUUUUUUN!” I can’t be the only one who feels like this, right? I’m terrified of watching the last two episodes. The Texans will cut 37 players. I’m not sure I’m ready for that.​
The FUCKS Competition Between Bill O’Brien and Linebackers Coach Mike Vrabel (UPDATE)


Thanks to an uncomfortably numb performance from the Texans offense during their preseason game against the Broncos, coach Bill O’Brien opened this competition up some, hitting 16 variations of FUCK in Episode 3 to just six for Vrabel.

In the interest of specificity, I should mention that O’Brien personally uttered only 11 of them. The other five came from tight end Khari Lee while impersonating O’Brien during the rookie skits vignette, but I’m counting them toward O’Brien’s tally here because this is the FUCKS Competition, not the Olympics, and Lee’s impression was universally recognized as amazing. We have a bit of leeway with the rules.

Series-Long Fuckometer

O’Brien: 37

Vrabel: 25​
The Most Houston Moment of the Episode


The episode ends with Coach O’Brien naming Brian Hoyer the starting quarterback for the 2015 season. Brian Hoyer being the best option at quarterback is the most Houston moment of the episode and also the most Houston moment of the entire franchise. Here are all the quarterbacks who’ve taken a snap for the Houston Texans: David Carr (2002-2006), Dave Ragone (2003), Tony Banks (2003-2005), Sage Rosenfels (2006-2008), Matt Schaub (2007-2013), Rex Grossman (2009), Dan Orlovsky (2010), Matt Leinart (2011), Jake Delhomme (2011), T.J. Yates (2011-2013), Case Keenum (2012-2013), Ryan Fitzpatrick (2014), Ryan Mallett (2014-2015). Here are all the quarterbacks who have been very good:​
All of the Things J.J. Watt Did, Ranked


1. J.J. Watt giving an expletive-filled motivational speech.

This functioned as the opening of the episode, and let me tell you what: J.J. Watt giving a filthy motivational speech about being “the baddest ****** on the planet” is the most potent energy source of all. When he was done yelling at everyone — and I swear to God this is true — I went outside and flipped over three, maybe four cars. I heard this loud noise. I looked two houses down the street to my left. And there was my neighbor, also flipping over cars. He was watching Hard Knocks at the same time. He looked in my eyes, I looked in his. He screamed, “JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY.” I hollered back, “JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY.” And when his JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY sound waves meshed with my JAYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYYY sound waves, it turned from sound into a glowing bright light. There was a big sound, this mega big BOOOOM! like what might come if you dropped an atomic bomb onto a factory of atomic bombs. It knocked both of us a good 30 feet back, and I was rendered unconscious from the force. When I woke up, I was in the hospital. It was 20 years later. I’m writing this from the future. Hi from the future.

1a. J.J. Watt forcing a goal-line fumble during practice.

1b. J.J. Watt ripping off his helmet and then shouting “That’s why you put me in the damn game! That’s why you put me in the damn game!” after forcing a goal-line fumble during practice.

1d. J.J. Watt swatting the stuffing out of a tackling dummy.

1d. J.J. Watt swatting the stuffing out of a large human man.

1e. J.J. Watt swatting a pass out of the air during practice and then wagging his finger.

1f. J.J. Watt bragging about having shut down an entire offensive series all by himself.

1g. J.J. Watt throwing footballs over a mile to fans all the way up in the second tier of the stadium. (He was remarkably accurate.)

1h. J.J. Watt laughing at rookie Khari Lee impersonating Bill O’Brien.

1j. J.J. Watt catching balls being fired out of a throwing machine at 500 mph from three feet in front of it.

1k. J.J. Watt giving advice to a rookie.

1l. J.J. Watt taking a nap.​
The Two Players Who Made It Very Easy To Fall In Love With Them This Episode


Rookie wide receiver Uzoma Nwachukwu, who was charming and funny off the field during a trip to NASA’s Space Center Houston, and cornerback Charles James II, who was exciting and effective on the field both during practice and the game against the Broncos. I hope they both make the team. They’ve shown them both more than once so I already care about them deeply.​
The NASA Space Center Houston Trip

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Beautiful. It deserves its own section. Uzoma shined during the segment, all warm energy and sincerity. They let him drive a modular robotic vehicle (a space car, basically), and he looked completely overwhelmed with awe and it was just wonderful. He fired off question after question after question during a tour that, excepting his teammates, was full of children, and they were lush and gorgeous.

At the beginning of the tour:

“This might be a dumb question, but: Y’all, like, have been in space? Like, real life?”

Later in the tour:

“Another dumb question: Is there water on space?”

ON SPACE.

Later in the tour:

“So, the movie Gravity, I have to ask … was that, like, real?”

As they’re walking into a NASA Control Room that’s connected to astronauts currently in space:

“Here’s another dumb quest– [someone shushes him] … Is this real? Is this real? [someone tells him it’s real; he makes a weird, wheezing noise] I didn’t know this was real. Oh my God. Oh my God.”

When he watches a video feed of the astronauts in space turning zero-gravity flips:

“Ohhhh. [laughs] Ohhhhhh. [laughs] Ohhh my … ohhhh my God.”

When he gets a chance to talk to the astronauts in space:

“Hello to you brothers. My name is E.Z. I got a couple questions. I loved Pluto as a planet. Like, what … what happened there?”

“When y’all are up there, is it like a roller coaster?”

“Can we see some of y’all food? Is it cooked? Do you grill it?”

Please, Coach O’Brien, sign him to a max contract immediately.​
The Best Transition Into an Unexpectedly Gross Scene


There was a segment where Charles James was playing both offense and defense during a practice. He did well, and the coaches were excited about him possibly playing running back. The narrator, with his perfectly golden voice, ended that section and led into the next by saying, “Where James will ultimately end up is about as easy to predict as the next thing out of Brian Cushing’s mouth,” and then there’s Brian Cushing just vomiting his whole stomach out.​
JADEVEON CLOWNEY IS BACK


Did you know Jadeveon’s nickname is “Doo Doo”? It is. I read one story that said he got it after he accidentally pooped in a pool as a child and then another story where his mom said he got it because her favorite 2 Live Crew/Uncle Luke song was “I Wanna Rock (Doo Doo Brown).” I don’t think it matters which version is the actual truth, all that matters is that we give him a better nickname ASAP. Let’s get that started, please. Here are five nicknames off the top of my head.

  • The Gravedigger
  • The Butcher
  • Killer Clowney From Outer Space
  • Ja-bae-veon
  • Thor’s Hammer

Maybe collectively we can do better.​
Mike Vrabel is a Man and a Bear and it Makes Me Feel Insecure

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I am 34 years old. I have a wife and three sons, which is proof I have had sex. I bought a home last year. My wife and I have cars and cable and food in the refrigerator and a bunch of other things like that. I (help) take care of the children. I provide for my family. I kill bugs that get inside the house and one time I even touched a lizard with my bare hands. I do all of the things that a man is supposed to do. I know this. I understand this. And yet, when I watch linebackers coach Mike Vrabel during his small segments on Hard Knocks, I do not feel like a man. I feel like a tiny, helpless baby. I’m not sure why Vrabel appears so manly, or even HOW he appears so manly, but he is, and he does. Is it because his neck looks like the base of a 100-year-old oak tree? Is it his shoulders, which are about six feet across (my shoulders are about 18 inches across)? Is it his haircut? Is it the bass in his voice? What is it? I think it’s that underneath all of that, underneath his mountain body — it’s that he’s insightful, which is more intimidating than all of that other stuff.

During the preseason game against the Broncos that was shown on this week’s episode, Coach O’Brien got to shouting about wanting somebody to have “some juice” on the football field, which is what the coaching staff says when they want someone to do something exciting. Rookie linebacker Lynden Trail made several key plays in a row after that, then charged off the field shouting about having the juice. He said something about having done it for Vrabel, and the coach immediately responded, “Don’t do it for me, do it for you,” and that’s for real just some super dad and man advice and insight.

I love you, Mike Vrabel. I love you so much. Make me a better man, Mike Vrabel.​
It's the cool Specs in my opinion.
 
The source of the word and current usage is independent. While many use vulgarity, it is NOT the language of the people. It is a pathetic attempt to intimidate rather than communicate. And when it's as common as it is now, it loses the intimidating effect and becomes ineffectual and inefficient communication.

"Speed this f'kn **** up" and "I'm tired of this slow bullshit" seem like pretty efficient ways to deliver a strong message in a condensed amount of time. Just relax and accept it for what it is. It's not immaturity (as much as you'd like to think you're better and more mature than us, you're probably not). It's just a different way to communicate, one that you disagree with.
 
I dunno about your last idea of Rick losing Bob's ear. In the coaches meeting, the way he was sat at his own desk behind OBrien reminded me of the headmaster sitting in on class at school, it's the teacher he's assessing not the pupils.

And during the game he was jawing fairly casually in the box with as well (think that was McNair he was sat with anyway?)

I got the feeling that Rick is the boss, personally.

Sadly I agree.

He who makes the man the $$$$ is usually the boss.
 
"Speed this up" and "I'm tired of this slow pace" seems more efficient to me. The expletives are essentially useless from overuse.
 
Right. I get it that it was a nice down time moment for the show and that it was a pretty awesome golf cart (basically). I just don't know how it's useful to the space program. I guess I'll have to google this ****.
360 degree independent wheel drive and turns on a planetary rover is extremely beneficial since the conditions are unknown and every roadblock could end a mission costing multiple millions of dollars. You can't call a tow truck.
 
Except they really don't work as you suggest. But you'll never believe it because you probably haven't seen any environment which has not become rude and crude.

Um, yes. Yes they do. People do react to the emphasis of swear words. Denying that means you're either not paying attention or are just being willfully dense.
 
Im a bit worried about how Vrable has put his head above the parapet, he's gonna get job offers for DC come the end of the season. Seems like a guy who will have an effect on our WL record this season.

I would be surprised if Vrabel gets an offer for a DC position. He coached LBs in the NFL & college. But that's it.

I can see him "earning" another title.. LB coach & defensive quality control... or defensive assistant coach. LB & special teams... LB & defensive line quality control.

Then maybe DC.
 
A few f@cking observations.

"We're the baddest f@ckers out there..."

I have a man crush on Vrabel.

From the QB competition, Hoyer always has better huddle presence than Mallet, the players are feeding off him more.

Chicken and Shrimp.
 
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I get it. But I don't think giving into superfluous vulgarity and focusing on vomit adds anything to the experience. I suppose many celebrate this immature behavior and focus in the name of realism, the badge of obstinacy.

You're allowing your distaste for the content to blind you from understanding why it's there.

Firstly, the Hard Knocks director and crew have no control over the use of vulgarity, so there's really no point in discussing that further.

Secondly, yes, the editing choices are made in the interest of realism, and no, they're not asking you to celebrate it. That is entirely the viewer's choice. Their mission is to immerse the viewer in a world, and censoring it for anyone's sensibilities betrays that mission. The long takes on Wilfork's feet or Cushing's heaves are not just gross-out gimmicks -- They are justified choices that contribute to the immersion. Long takes draw the viewer into the same space as the subject, which is the right choice because that is the mission.

As someone who's often critical of documentary filmmaking due to its inclination toward dishonest omission, I am very impressed with the HK director's choices made in the interest of honesty. I can't imagine how difficult that is to do within a 55 minute run time and minimum opportunity for editing.

This is just my recommendation: Forget about approval/disapproval of the subject matter for just one hour. All the show is doing is pulling back the curtain on something that would be happening whether anyone's watching or not.

This isn't Monty Python and the wafer thin mint. They aren't showing Cush throwing up as sophomoric humor. The point is he's working his guts out in the Texas heat. The immaturity is yours in not being able to tell the difference.

Ha, I know what you're doing, and you'd might as well make Life of Brian references to him next.
 
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Watched the episode last night, loved it.
Covington and EZ are easily winning the fan favorite competition.
Vrabel is a man's man.
Charles James and K.Brown just make plays.
Quintin Demps showed us what being a journeyman is; professional as hell.
JD is a big dude, huge.
JJ is the $100M man for a reason.
I wonder what type of mattress that is. Everyone seems to love it.
Khari Lee won the episode. I was rolling!
 
Um, yes. Yes they do. People do react to the emphasis of swear words. Denying that means you're either not paying attention or are just being willfully dense.

I have been to an event with our CEO , who is a Harvard lawyer , he held court and was talking to investors and such answering all their questions . He is smart and has a good grasp on the English language but when he got on the bus to go the next venue , it was f#ck this and f%ck them . It's not punch at the junior league , it's meant to assert .
 
Hard Knocks Producer Ken Rodgers said the scene they filmed of Bill O'Brien's son Jack's 13th birthday celebration was the most emotional scene they've ever had on Hard Knocks, that it was very emotional for the crew and editors.

I haven't watched before... true?

And for me, Colleen O'Brien... Coach is a lucky man. Great mother.

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Hard Knocks Producer Ken Rodgers said the scene they filmed of Bill O'Brien's son Jack's 13th birthday celebration was the most emotional scene they've ever had on Hard Knocks, that it was very emotional for the crew and editors.

I haven't watched before... true?

And for me, Colleen O'Brien... Coach is a lucky man. Great mother.

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I'd like to start by thanking people. I know that's a little boring, but I do have some really important people that I have to thank. Number one person would be my chief of staff, my wife, Colleen. Colleen, if you'd please stand up and wave to everybody, I'd appreciate that. A couple quick things about Colleen. She's the brains behind the operation. Magna cum laude from BC, top five in her law school class, so obviously I have a pretty good idea how to recruit, I can tell you that.
 
And their opinion of Ray Rice, though I admit my first thought was the same as yours.

I just don't believe that they really think Ray Rice couldn't help them. I think they are just that dedicated to not letting a guy who did that play for the Texans. I get that and have no complaints about them taking that stand. I've had plenty of time to mull it over (we all have) and I'm fine with it. I can see how bringing a guy like that in could be a plus and I can see how it could be a minus. They don't think it's worth it so that's their call and that's cool.

I'd like them to say it though instead of making a comment like "I don’t know that he’s as good as any of the four we’ve got." which to me just makes McNair look kind of naive and stupid. Of course he's better than the four guys you got Bob. Nobody in their right mind looks at Blue, Polk, Grimes, and Hilliard and thinks "Ray Rice couldn't even make this team!" Deep down inside McNair surely knows Rice is better so just tell the truth. No wife beaters. Just say it.

"We won't sign Ray Rice because no man who does something like that will ever play on my team" and then stick to it.
 
But Rice no longer is that good. If he was he wouldn't still be unemployed.

Look at Greg Hardy. He can still play, has spousal abuse issues like Rice and is playing.
 
I don't agree with that. I would guess that Ray Rice would be slightly better running the ball than Crimes or Hilliard and about the same as Polk our Blue. I highly doubt he'll be as good on special teams, which is the primary job of your third string back. Your fourth probably isn't even active.

There's no reason to pay Rice the vet minimum (million plus) for questionable production. Rice hadn't looked good for years. Compare Pierces production to Rice's the years they played together.

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Rice's hip injury in 2013 is well documented and as far as I'm aware teams aren't even bringing him in for a tryout. I know the Texans haven't. Until you see the guy run and move I would be very hesitant to sign him or write him off either one.

Talking about a guy with one down year (playing injured) and then a year's rest who was very good for the previous 5 years. and Bob McNair states that's thinks he's got four no-name running backs who are better. I'm calling bullshit on that. Big heaping piles of bullshit since the Texans haven't even looked at Ray Rice. No bringing him out to time him or see him move. Nothing. BS.

And again, not BS because I think they're wrong. I'm just bitching about the little things like saying something ridiculous when you could just tell it like it is.
 
Rice's hip injury in 2013 is well documented and as far as I'm aware teams aren't even bringing him in for a tryout. I know the Texans haven't. Until you see the guy run and move I would be very hesitant to sign him or write him off either one.

Talking about a guy with one down year (playing injured) and then a year's rest who was very good for the previous 5 years. and Bob McNair states that's thinks he's got four no-name running backs who are better. I'm calling bullshit on that. Big heaping piles of bullshit since the Texans haven't even looked at Ray Rice. No bringing him out to time him or see him move. Nothing. BS.

And again, not BS because I think they're wrong. I'm just bitching about the little things like saying something ridiculous when you could just tell it like it is.

To be fair, McNair said he doesn't know that our guys aren't better. He didn't state that he believed they were.
 
I just don't believe that they really think Ray Rice couldn't help them. I think they are just that dedicated to not letting a guy who did that play for the Texans. ...

"We won't sign Ray Rice because no man who does something like that will ever play on my team" and then stick to it.

This isn't even any generic white hatted Texans' mythology. At the time McNair said absolutely zero tolerance. He should have just repeated that and moved on.

There's no reason to pay Rice the vet minimum (million plus) for questionable production. Rice hadn't looked good for years. Compare Pierces production to Rice's the years they played together.

1 year he didn't look good, not 'years.' And nobody could run that season. Bernard Scott and his 4 carries had the best ypa at 3.5. They fired everyone and brought Kubiak in to fix the problem and low and behold they went from 3.1 ypc to 4.5 ypc.

The vet min for Rice is $745k but as he has more than 4 accrued seasons if signed to such a contract he would only count $585k on the cap.

Pierce v. Rice
2012 4.9 vs. 4.4
2013 2.9 vs. 3.1

You were saying? That's with the benefit of Pierce not being the lead dog.

Dude has been blackballed.
 
Yes. Exactly.

Rice y/a:
2008 - 4.2
2009 - 5.3
2010 - 4.0
2011 - 4.7
2012 - 4.4 (Pierce 4.9)
2013 - 3.1 (Pierce 2.9)
2014 - DNP

Notice a trend? He's now two full seasons removed from a quality year.

I'm guessing they go with Polk as the starter and Blue as the backup. If they suck, they can still sign Ray Rice.
 
But Rice no longer is that good. If he was he wouldn't still be unemployed.

Look at Greg Hardy. He can still play, has spousal abuse issues like Rice and is playing.

Hardy did not have a video of his assault. I think that makes all the difference in the world.
 
Yes. Exactly.

Rice y/a:
2008 - 4.2
2009 - 5.3
2010 - 4.0
2011 - 4.7
2012 - 4.4 (Pierce 4.9)
2013 - 3.1 (Pierce 2.9)
2014 - DNP

Notice a trend?

Not even one little bit. Normal up and down for an NFL RB until 2013 where the OL sucked so bad everyone got fired.

they can still sign Ray Rice.

They aren't going to sign Rice but it's not because he's no good.
 
If you say so.

The conspiracy theory doesn't hold up when NOBODY is signing Ray Rice.

Hardy was signed. Vick was signed (multiple times). Burress was signed. Ray McDonald was signed (multiple times). Adrian Peterson was not released. Those are just off the top of my head.
 
If you say so.

The conspiracy theory doesn't hold up when NOBODY is signing Ray Rice.

Hardy was signed. Vick was signed (multiple times). Burress was signed. Ray McDonald was signed (multiple times). Adrian Peterson was not released. Those are just off the top of my head.

No video blasted across all media and Internet in any of those events. It makes a difference.
 
No video blasted across all media and Internet in any of those events. It makes a difference.

Meh. It makes a convenient excuse anyway. I'm still not buying it. There's guys that have served prison time in the NFL. Guys that have killed people.

I really hope he gets a job so we can find out.
 
I really hope he gets a job so we can find out.

On this we can agree. I personally think the Texans should sign the guy. Everybody screws up, and everyone deserves a seconds chance. If Uncle Bob considers himself a Christian, he has a duty to turn the other cheek and give the guy another chance. But it's clear he won't. Typical part time Christian.
 
On this we can agree. I personally think the Texans should sign the guy. Everybody screws up, and everyone deserves a seconds chance. If Uncle Bob considers himself a Christian, he has a duty to turn the other cheek and give the guy another chance. But it's clear he won't. Typical part time Christian.

I hope Bob is staying as far away from the decision as possible.
 
On this we can agree. I personally think the Texans should sign the guy. Everybody screws up, and everyone deserves a seconds chance. If Uncle Bob considers himself a Christian, he has a duty to turn the other cheek and give the guy another chance. But it's clear he won't. Typical part time Christian.

Now McNair OWES Ray Rice a second chance?
 
The blackball theory holds up precisely because NOBODY is signing Rice.

It's a him specific thing due to his very unique circumstances.

Rice is totally being blackballed. McNair cannot make public statements that "we don't sign wife beaters" because the collusion would be obvious and off to court we go. But by saying that Rice was injured, getting old for an RB, hasn't played in a year and "we have some kids who have been on this team getting the system down", he avoids any exposure on his part.
 
I hope Bob is staying as far away from the decision as possible.

I mean this only if it's Uncle Bob overriding O'Brien on some ridiculous grounds. If O'Brien don't want him, no problem. If he does however and Uncle Bob is nixing the deal, that is wrong. Yeah, I know. It's his team, blaa, blaa, blaa.
 
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