Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
If the prognosis is so dire, then we should consider releasing him this year. That would provide another $6M to offset the cap hit and might come from insurance rather than operating revenues.
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Arian Foster reported to have serious groin injury
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I think the base salary goes away if he's cut; though, offsetting the dead money hit which would then go away sooner if I understand it properly.
Troy Chapman
Rookie
Cak nailed it on his article, and good catch by you. Injury settlement could only come into play if agreed to as a part of the release. (Like Yeatman)
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Just to clarify some things.
Adductor tears typically refer to tears of the TENDON of the adductor muscle. It is the unusual that the muscle itself is torn. If the the reports are accurate of his adductor being torn off the bone, it is the tendon (not the muscle) that is attached to the bone and has been torn from the bone. Muscles are attached to tendons which then attach the muscle/tendon unit to the bone.
And ligaments have no connection/attachment to muscles.........they connect/attach bones to bones.
As pertains to "sports hernia," the adductor TENDON (illustrated below in white at the base of the lower blue arrow) is commonly found to be inflamed and/or partially torn (the muscle itself is virtually never torn), contributing to the pain involved in this condition, and sometimes the partially torn tendon is released in order to relieve the pain. It is extremely rare that the adductor tendon is found totally "torn" off the bone and can be considered to be an isolated independent acute injury.
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Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Just to clarify some things.
Adductor tears typically refer to tears of the TENDON of the adductor muscle. It is the unusual that the muscle itself is torn. If the the reports are accurate of his adductor being torn off the bone, it is the tendon (not the muscle) that is attached to the bone and has been torn from the bone. Muscles are attached to tendons which then attach the muscle/tendon unit to the bone.
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And ligaments have no connection/attachment to muscles.........they connect/attach bones to bones.
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As pertains to "sports hernia," the adductor TENDON (illustrated below in white at the base of the lower blue arrow) is commonly found to be inflamed and/or partially torn (the muscle itself is virtually never torn), contributing to the pain involved in this condition, and sometimes the partially torn tendon is released in order to relieve the pain. It is extremely rare that the adductor tendon is found totally "torn" off the bone and can be considered to be an isolated independent acute injury.
Just great stuff, Doc.
Really appreciate your taking time to post these in layman's terms and appreciate the education. I know it takes time you oftentimes don't have.
TexansFight
Veteran
"They called me Mr. Glass."
-Arian Foster
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 14m14 minutes ago
Arian Foster had successful surgery this morning to repair a torn groin muscle that pulled off the bone. #Texans
Arian Foster had successful surgery this morning to repair a torn groin muscle that pulled off the bone. #Texans
"They called me Mr. Glass."
-Arian Foster
I hope like heck we're in the play off chase when he comes back. He'll carry us through.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Well, that's the $6 Million question now isn't it?
But since you asked, again, from Tania Ganguli...
(and this posting in no way shape or form represents an endorsement or agreement on my part)
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...oster-groin-surgery-hopes-return-three-months[/QUOTE]
Troy Chapman
Rookie
Week 10 game, I assume, is the goal then.
QuantumMortis
Noob
Bob: "Guys, what's the plan this year for offense?"
Staff: "We are crossing our fingers Foster doesn't get hurt and hoping that one of our quarterbacks becomes a legitimate NFL QB."
Bob: "In other words, get lucky?"
Staff: "Yes."
Bob: "OK, carry on."
Staff: "We are crossing our fingers Foster doesn't get hurt and hoping that one of our quarterbacks becomes a legitimate NFL QB."
Bob: "In other words, get lucky?"
Staff: "Yes."
Bob: "OK, carry on."
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
I suppose that's a function of what they believe:
From Aaron Wilson:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...g-at-2-3-months-to-return-to-form/#34835101=0
We may not know for awhile since they can't do anything to remove him from counting against the roster limit until after final cuts are made anyway (Well, other than IR without the designation to return, but it's sure not looking like that's in the plans right now). The Texans have never been particularly pessimistic or conservative about these sorts of things, so it will be interesting to see where they go with this.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
“Dr. Meyers performs a Bassini-type hernia repair that he has performed on hundreds of professional athletes who have suffered a sports hernia,” said Dr. Bert Mandelbaum, an orthopedic surgeon at Santa Monica Orthopaedic & Sports Medicine Group in California who does not treat Foster. “We published an article together in the ’90s regarding its effectiveness. Foster should be back to full form in two to three months depending on the details and spectrum of his injury.”
I believe this is the pertinent information (if accurate) on his injury and repair which CND can use to tell us particulars on estimated return time estimates. It's nice to get more detail.
Troy Chapman
Rookie
Luckily the team does not have to make the designation today (as you noted), and will have almost 4 weeks to evaluate Foster and the RB situation before a decision is made.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
And we'll have four weeks of speculation and complaining about what everyone thinks/knows/is informed by a source close to the situation/believes because John McClain said the opposite, will/might/should/shouldn't happen, and how it will wreck/save/have no impact whatsoever on the Season/Franchise/Future of Arian Foster with the Texans/Future of Arian Foster without the Texans/Future of Rick Smith/Future of Bill O'Brien/Future of the Texans Medical Staff.
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Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock
Foster was in his best shape before injury & while other issues showed in MRIs, he's expected to start rehabbing soon.
The Texans couldn't place Arian Foster on IR-DFR until early September. Team may be content to wait until that date to re-evaluate options.
Texans scrambled for a RB (Pierre Thomas) but after the positive outlook may stay firm & hope to only miss 1-3 games w/o their top back.
Early indications for Arian's injury was 3 months. After 2nd opinion & successful surgery, expectation now is that he may play early-on.
The Texans couldn't place Arian Foster on IR-DFR until early September. Team may be content to wait until that date to re-evaluate options.
Texans scrambled for a RB (Pierre Thomas) but after the positive outlook may stay firm & hope to only miss 1-3 games w/o their top back.
Early indications for Arian's injury was 3 months. After 2nd opinion & successful surgery, expectation now is that he may play early-on.
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The muscle/tendon involved has not be specifically reported. When you refer to a groin injury with muscle/tendon completely torn from the bone, this usually involves the adductor longus (labelled "al" below) as I've mentioned in previous posts. Another muscle tendon that can be torn, but is not usually referred to as "torn from the bone" is the rectus abdominis (labelled "ra" below) muscle/tendon. This tendon inserts on the pubic bone very close to the same area that the adductor tendon is attached, except coming from the opposite direction. The Bassini or modified Bassini repair is commonly performed on the classic run-of-the-mill male groin hernia (I have performed many of these myself). This technique can also be incorporated in repair of a localized rectus abdominis muscle or tendon tear. In a classic hernia or a typical sports hernia defect repair, recovery can be as quickly as 4-6 weeks, but many times closer to 8 weeks . When this technique is applied to the repair of the abdominis rectus tendon tear, you can expect the recovery to be closer to the 3 month period......performance at that period, of course, cannot be guaranteed. And that excludes the potential occurrence of inherent surgical complications, or set backs due to too hurried non-fully rehabbed return.
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The muscle/tendon involved has not be specifically reported. When you refer to a groin injury with muscle/tendon completely torn from the bone, this usually involves the adductor longus (labelled "al" below) as I've mentioned in previous posts. Another muscle tendon that can be torn, but is not usually referred to as "torn from the bone" is the rectus abdominis (labelled "ra" below) muscle/tendon. This tendon inserts on the pubic bone very close to the same area that the adductor tendon is attached, except coming from the opposite direction. The Bassini or modified Bassini repair is commonly performed on the classic run-of-the-mill male groin hernia (I have performed many of these myself). This technique can also be incorporated in repair of a localized rectus abdominis muscle or tendon tear. In a classic hernia or a typical sports hernia defect repair, recovery can be as quickly as 4-6 weeks, but many times closer to 8 weeks . When this technique is applied to the repair of the abdominis rectus tendon tear, you can expect the recovery to be closer to the 3 month period......performance at that period, of course, cannot be guaranteed. And that excludes the potential occurrence of inherent surgical complications, or set backs due to too hurried non-fully rehabbed return.
Troy Chapman
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Quite possibly the best reply EVER. Well done.
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They're saying on the radio 4 to 6 weeks. We have about 4 weeks left in training camp, so the 1-3 games is right on target.
Marshall
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I'm going to be even more interested in whether Blue will take that big step during preseason to make bringing AF back too quickly less likely.
texanhead08
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No one knows how long Arian is going to be out, because as we have seen in the past with this franchise a week to week injury might mean he died of natural causes.
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I think the confusion is the context...
Aaron Wilson wrote, "After successful surgery Friday morning, there is growing optimism that Arian Foster may only miss four to six weeks of playing time..."
Playing time being regular season.
Wilson tweets this morning linking the prior article...
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
After groin surgery, Arian Foster looking at 2-3 months to return to form http://t.co/eUS9TSPygL
So both can be correct, 2-3 month recovery and 4-6 weeks back to game play. Which brings it closer - optimistically - to Dr CND's estimates based on the limited information we have.
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Two to three months isn't as bad as I was anticipating.
Why couldn't he have had this injury back in May or June.
But even yet, one month will be gone even before the season starts.
So more or less we're looking at one to two months. Season time only counts.
Why couldn't he have had this injury back in May or June.
But even yet, one month will be gone even before the season starts.
So more or less we're looking at one to two months. Season time only counts.
Don't they mean 4 - 6 weeks of the regular season which would put his return closer to mid October, and not beginning day one after the day of surgery
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Right now it's kind of all over the board. Jayson Braddock's tweet clearly indicated 1-3 RS games, but I have yet to hear or read that anywhere else.
Unless Arian chooses to pass on some information himself (and we do know that he's one guy O'Brien can't put the fear of God into), I seriously doubt there will be anything meaningful provided prior to the Texans either putting him or not putting him on the DL-DFR.
Marshall
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Normal variability covers all the scenarios, so attempts to be more precise is wishful thinking.
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The decisions on what to do with Arian are going to be made prior to the first regular season game. Being (or not being) in the WC/Division Championship hunt will have no bearing at all on that decision.
I understand that. But the Texans do have options that would allow him to come back earlier, correct? I'm on my stupid smartphone, so my research abilities are somewhat limited and it's more cumbersome to read back through a thread to me on tapatalk.
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The only option they have to bring him back earlier than week 10 would be to leave him on the 53 man active roster (in essence doing nothing). And just in case it was one of the options you were thinking might be available, he can no longer be placed on the PUP list.
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It's conceivable that we could be 6-4 or 5-5 after 10 games but a lot would have to go right just for that to happen. I'd imagine that would be no worse than either tied, or a game or two back of one of the wild-card spots.
The landscape around the AFC is looking tougher than it did just a year ago when we nearly clinched that final wild-card spot during the final game. Unfortunately the Browns couldn't beat the Ravens. I thought we smacked the Ravens around pretty damn good when we defeated them. I felt we had a better team than the Ravens last season but they enjoyed the playoffs while we sat at home.
But teams like the Bills, Dolphins, Titans, Jets and Raiders may no longer be pushovers and some expect them to be in a wild-card hunt this year in the AFC. It's hard to say which teams will continue to be bad and which teams may become good. As of right now a lot of people aren't expecting the Texans to do much in 2015. We're viewed as a non-playoff team and likely a 6-10 team after the Arian Foster injury. People were already doubting us after Andre Johnson's departure and our current quarterback situation.
Only because we have J.J. Watt you'd like to think we're a 6-10 team at worse, but we did just go 2-14 a few years ago when Arian Foster also missed half the season with injuries. Believe me, nothing is ever certain. 2015 could be another horrible season or we could clinch a wild-card spot. You just never know.
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This may very well be correct; but recovery time is usually measured from date of operation. So yes, this would be confusing. Kind of like politics and this upcoming Houston vote - when yes actually means no and no means yes.
There will continue to be confusion concerning Arian's recovery because no one is allowed to say exactly what procedure was performed. CnD gave us two "muscle ripped from bone" scenarios, one with the four to six weeks recovery time, the other with the 3 to 4 months recovery time.
Four to six weeks means if we're lucky, we get him back at the end of September. Three to four months means maybe sometime in December. If we're not out of the play off race it could be a big boost.
If the Texans are expecting four to six weeks I can see them standing pat with the RBs we have now. One of the four (not counting Arian) would have to be cut. Maybe two, depending on the other battles going on. If we're looking at the longer recovery time, I don't think any of the four will be cut until the season starts, or they bring someone in.
Four to six weeks means if we're lucky, we get him back at the end of September. Three to four months means maybe sometime in December. If we're not out of the play off race it could be a big boost.
If the Texans are expecting four to six weeks I can see them standing pat with the RBs we have now. One of the four (not counting Arian) would have to be cut. Maybe two, depending on the other battles going on. If we're looking at the longer recovery time, I don't think any of the four will be cut until the season starts, or they bring someone in.
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I agree. But signing another player also complicates this.
Polk having issues with his hamstring, again, is one of my disappointments so far, coming out of camp. Although he was active and played in the last 9 games in 2014, he had ongoing hamstring problems to start the season and missed several games.
Polk was on the playing field for today's practice, but if he cannot stay healthy for the remainder of camp and/or cannot be counted on, I could see replacing him.
How many running backs do you expect to carry on the 53? If we cut Polk, we still have four; Arian, Blue, Grimes, & Hilliard. What's the point in bringing a fifth guy?
Number19
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Not counting Prosch, I was originally carrying only three : Arian, Blue and I had Polk replacing Grimes. Hilliard would be signed to the PS and available to be brought up if necessary. One of the reasons I was cutting Grimes is because I'm carrying an extra DL'man, Covington, this year. There was simply too many other players I wanted to keep and not enough slots. Grimes was my odd man out.
With Arian out for an unknown period, and Polk having problems with his hammy, I've got to re-evaluate. Also I read in today's Chronicle that Grimes is considered an integral contributor on ST's.
We are overloaded with our CB talent and, were, also at ILB. But Dent is currently not active and Cliett is out for the season. Cliett's slot is now open for Grimes.
So, if Arian is carried on the 53, then I currently have Blue, Grimes and Polk with Hilliard going to the PS, with the chance of Hilliard beating out Grimes. The one thing that Polk brings to the club, if healthy and able to run, is that he has speed which our other backs don't. I really wanted to see what a healthy Polk could bring to the offense.
All that to say we don't have room for another running back. Unless we can get LeShon McCoy or Peterson, I think we should stand pat & see what happens.
Mr.Scarface
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nevermind....found it.
Once a player participates in practice he is ineligible. The only thing we can do now to not count him against the roster is Injured Reserve, designated to return. But I believe you can only use that designation once per team.
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I would ask you to go back and read my post carefully.
The muscle/tendon involved has not be specifically reported. When you refer to a groin injury with muscle/tendon completely torn from the bone, this usually involves the adductor longus (labelled "al" below) as I've mentioned in previous posts. Another muscle tendon that can be torn, but is not usually referred to as "torn from the bone" is the rectus abdominis (labelled "ra" below) muscle/tendon. This tendon inserts on the pubic bone very close to the same area that the adductor tendon is attached, except coming from the opposite direction. The Bassini or modified Bassini repair is commonly performed on the classic run-of-the-mill male groin hernia (I have performed many of these myself). This technique can also be incorporated in repair of a localized rectus abdominis muscle or tendon tear. In a classic hernia or a typical sports hernia defect repair, recovery can be as quickly as 4-6 weeks, but many times closer to 8 weeks . When this technique is applied to the repair of the abdominis rectus tendon tear, you can expect the recovery to be closer to the 3 month period......performance at that period, of course, cannot be guaranteed. And that excludes the potential occurrence of inherent surgical complications, or set backs due to too hurried non-fully rehabbed return.
I see. Thanks for the info.
Troy Chapman
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Per Will Carroll @injuryexpert
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If this is true, the more realistic return will be +\-8 weeks from surgery even though you'll hear 4-6.
But it's very unlikely that you'd see a "torn away from the bone" in an MRI -- as reported by multiple local media from a team source -- and not find same in surgery. So something doesn't really jive. We'll see.
Dr. CND was working with information I provided from our local media with a mole in the medical/training staff in his prior posts on this particular Foster injury.
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Dr CND's skepticism of...
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