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PHILLYTEXANFAN

PHILLYTEXANFAN

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Anyone interested in doing an all time greatest players list. All 22 starters plus K and P. Have like 3 or 4 players per position to choose from
 
Mollywhopper said:
Absolutely ... what's the format?
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That's the hard part. Would have to come up with say, 4 names per position, than I say we take a vote on a position per day
Such as (EXAMPLE) QB: Bart Starr, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Tom Brady.
Voting opens at 8 am ends at 8 pm. One position per day.

Just need like 2 people who will assign the player options. Id prefer an older fan ( no offense). And 1 younger closer to the modern day.
 
How about start off the list with the hall of famers at each position and have a brief nomination period for ones who haven't had a chance yet or who folks feel havery been overlooked? Then there's no argument on the initial list.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
That's the hard part. Would have to come up with say, 4 names per position, than I say we take a vote on a position per day
Such as (EXAMPLE) QB: Bart Starr, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Tom Brady.
Voting opens at 8 am ends at 8 pm. One position per day.

Just need like 2 people who will assign the player options. Id prefer an older fan ( no offense). And 1 younger closer to the modern day.
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Voting is fun, but I don't believe that should be the end all be all fun in such a broad topic as this. Might I suggest some friendly debates? For instance we use the voting system to narrow the field for each position to a few. That few of which is then represented by volunteer debaters to make a case for each player to then be voted on finally for the TT All-Time Team.

Figuring there's no immediate rush on this kind of thing like a draft board we can go stupid and make it a big deal ... eh?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Voting is fun, but I don't believe that should be the end all be all fun in such a broad topic as this. Might I suggest some friendly debates? For instance we use the voting system to narrow the field for each position to a few. That few of which is then represented by volunteer debaters to make a case for each player to then be voted on finally for the TT All-Time Team.

Figuring there's no immediate rush on this kind of thing like a draft board we can go stupid and make it a big deal ... eh?
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I'm game, never even thought of it that way.
 
infantrycak said:
How about start off the list with the hall of famers at each position and have a brief nomination period for ones who haven't had a chance yet or who folks feel havery been overlooked? Then there's no argument on the initial list.
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Mollywhopper said:
Voting is fun, but I don't believe that should be the end all be all fun in such a broad topic as this. Might I suggest some friendly debates? For instance we use the voting system to narrow the field for each position to a few. That few of which is then represented by volunteer debaters to make a case for each player to then be voted on finally for the TT All-Time Team.

Figuring there's no immediate rush on this kind of thing like a draft board we can go stupid and make it a big deal ... eh?
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The Neverending story. The debate will go on forever
 
Could shorten the hall list with a cutoff date - inducted after '65 or something. I suspect after that it would go quickly coming from the opposite direction and knocking people out of consideration For example crossing off Marcus Allen.
 
infantrycak said:
Could shorten the hall list with a cutoff date - inducted after '65 or something. I suspect after that it would go quickly coming from the opposite direction and knocking people out of consideration For example crossing off Marcus Allen.
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Maybe inducted after '75. That would include most of the dynasty teams as we know them, and also current players. But it would have to be more than 22, considering the prevalence of 3-4 teams for a few different time periods in there... imo maybe 30 to make up for the differences and specialists. Can you have only 2 wr and 3 lb?
 
Another cool idea might be top 53 man roster of all time
 
Mollywhopper said:
Well, what guidelines would you like JB? What poll would you like?
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If it's up to me, I say HOF eligible '75 or later or current players. Let's get the Qb out of the way 1st.

My nominations are

Bradshaw
Staubach
Brady
Manning
Montana

in no particular order

We gonna carry 2 or 3?
 
JB said:
It doesn't matter when or if a cutoff date at all, just kinda helps in keeping era's kinda together. Keep to players most of us might have watched a time or two
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This is why I think a debate factor could be fun as hell. If any someone whose given a crap about Deacon Jones' career or Night Train Lane they may want to give a big shout and the board could stand to have fun reading about it and then leaning one way or the other.
 
JB said:
If it's up to me, I say HOF eligible '75 or later or current players. Let's get the Qb out of the way 1st.

My nominations are

Bradshaw
Staubach
Brady
Manning
Montana

in no particular order

We gonna carry 2 or 3?
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Man, how do you leave Marino off that list?
 
3 QB
3 HB
1 FB
5 WR
2 TE
2 LT
2 LG
2 C
2 RG
2 RT

2 LDE
2 RDE
4 DT
2 LOLB
5 MLB
2 ROLB
5 CB
2 SS
2 FS

1 K
1 P
1 ST

53 by my count, thoughts? MLB is heavier than needed, but i'm not sure where to put the 53rd spot. Or we could leave that spot open for an end-game debate on who got snubbed.
 
After consideration, I'm not sure we'd need a cutoff for the HOF. By the age of the members here I doubt there will be many nominations of the older players, but a date of 1975 would disqualify guys like Jim Brown and 'Night Train' Lane.
 
Is this something we could do similar to the Babe of the Year threads? A page of nominations followed by voting?
 
Scooter said:
After consideration, I'm not sure we'd need a cutoff for the HOF. By the age of the members here I doubt there will be many nominations of the older players, but a date of 1975 would disqualify guys like Jim Brown and 'Night Train' Lane.
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I was making the cutoff suggestion as a starting point so that all sorts of 30's, etc. players didn't make the initial list. I'd suggest folks initially cut off could be added back on just like say a Brazille who has never made it or Ray Lewis who hasn't made it yet.

Your suggested roster looks good to me.
 
infantrycak said:
I was making the cutoff suggestion as a starting point so that all sorts of 30's, etc. players didn't make the initial list. I'd suggest folks initially cut off could be added back on just like say a Brazille who has never made it or Ray Lewis who hasn't made it yet.

Your suggested roster looks good to me.
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I think the cutoff should be the super bowl era
 
QB nominations:

Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas (I think he's the greatest ever and he gets left off of lists like this all the time)
 
The QB debate alone will be interesting. I think it's obvious that Montana makes the list, but there could be lots of different perspectives after Cool Joe.

My 3 choices:

Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Roger Staubach
 
Double Barrel said:
The QB debate alone will be interesting. I think it's obvious that Montana makes the list, but there could be lots of different perspectives after Cool Joe.

My 3 choices:

Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Roger Staubach
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So far it looks fairly easy. Those are my 3 as well.
 
Scooter said:
After consideration, I'm not sure we'd need a cutoff for the HOF. By the age of the members here I doubt there will be many nominations of the older players, but a date of 1975 would disqualify guys like Jim Brown and 'Night Train' Lane.
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No way in hell you leave off Jim Brown
...or Jim Taylor or John Mackey or Dick Butkus...
see whutimean
 
Scooter said:
53 by my count, thoughts? MLB is heavier than needed, but i'm not sure where to put the 53rd spot. Or we could leave that spot open for an end-game debate on who got snubbed.
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3 QB - Unitas, Montana, Brady
3 HB - Sanders, Dickerson, Simpson
1 FB - Jim Brown (man it was tough to leave Czonka out of this spot)
5 WR - Biletnikoff (best possession guy ever), J.Rice, P.Warfield, C.Carter, S.Largent
2 TE - Mackey, Winslow Sr.
2 LT - J.Ogden, W.Roaf
2 LG - B.Matthews, J.Hannah
2 C - J. Otto, M.Webster
2 RG - M.Munchak, G.Upshaw
2 RT - A.Munoz, J.Slater

KR/PR - Gayle Sayers

This was harder than I thought
 
Mollywhopper said:
What differentiates a halfback and a fullback here Obsi?
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Brown is generally listed as a FB but honestly for the purpose of this I think he should be in the RB category (and would be #1 there). The Browns ran a pro-set and he was designated FB but he rarely did any lead blocking and was the primary runner - HB would get around 100 carries and Brown around 300.
 
infantrycak said:
Brown is generally listed as a FB but honestly for the purpose of this I think he should be in the RB category (and would be #1 there). The Browns ran a pro-set and he was designated FB but he rarely did any lead blocking and was the primary runner - HB would get around 100 carries and Brown around 300.
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The bold is what my question was getting at.
 
infantrycak said:
Brown is generally listed as a FB but honestly for the purpose of this I think he should be in the RB category (and would be #1 there). The Browns ran a pro-set and he was designated FB but he rarely did any lead blocking and was the primary runner - HB would get around 100 carries and Brown around 300.
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I don't have an issue with Jim Brown being listed as a RB. But, as Cak points out, he's listed in HoF as a FB. I just was trying to sneak an extra stud in the backfield.
 
QB- Brady, Montana, Bradshaw
HB- Sanders, Brown, Franco Harris
FB- Csonka
WR- Rice, Carter, TO, Reed, Lofton
TE- Tony G, Sharpe
LT- Ogden, Pace
LG- Grimm, L.Allen
C- B. Matthews, Kent Hull
RG- Upshaw, Tom Thayer
RT- Roaf, Munoz

LE- B.Smith, D.Jones
RE- R.White, H.Long
DT- Joe Greene, Randy White, Cortez Kennedy, Sapp
LOLB- Bobby Bell, J.Ham
MLB- Lambert, Butkus, Norton Jr., Singletary, R.Lewis
ROLB- LT, Seau
CB- Daryl Green, Deion, Willie Brown, Mel Blount, Dick Lane
FS- Rod Woodson, B. Dawkins
SS- Lott, Lynch

K- M.Anderson
P- R.Guy
 
Mollywhopper said:
Why '75 or later?
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Because people are too lazy to think about researching anything that happened before their personal exposure to it. Also they are enamored of the stat inflation due to 16 game schedule vs 14 or 12, and guys hanging on for 20 years to inflate their lifetime stats (I'm looking at you, Robert Parrish).

QBs - Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, and Johnny Unitas should be in the discussion.
RB - Jim Brown #1 - discussion over.
WR - Don Hutson and Jerry Rice - probably in that order.

That is just the obvious positions. Probably lots of great linemen etc from back in the day that would be tough to rank.
 
Now for the defense

LE - Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones
RE - Reggie White, Lee Roy Selmon
DT - Joe Greene, Bob Lilly, Alan Page, Buck Buchanan (man, I hated leaving Curley Culp off this list)
LOLB - Bobby Bell, J.Ham, Ted Hendricks (loved the Mad Stork)
MLB - Lambert, Butkus, Singletary, R.Lewis
ROLB - Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas
CB - Herb Adderly, Daryl Green, D.Sanders, Mel Blount, Dick Lane
FS - R.Woodson, Larry Wilson
SS - R.Lott, John Lynch

P - Ray Guy
PK - Jan Stenerud
 
ObsiWan said:
Now for the defense

LE - Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones
RE - Reggie White, Lee Roy Selmon
DT - Joe Greene, Bob Lilly, Alan Page, Buck Buchanan (man, I hated leaving Curley Culp off this list)
LOLB - Bobby Bell, J.Ham, Ted Hendricks (loved the Mad Stork)
MLB - Lambert, Butkus, Singletary, R.Lewis
ROLB - Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas
CB - Herb Adderly, Daryl Green, D.Sanders, Mel Blount, Dick Lane
FS - R.Woodson, Larry Wilson
SS - R.Lott, John Lynch

P - Ray Guy
PK - Jan Stenerud
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I believe we agreed on 19
 
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