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JaDeveon Clowney

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I don't mean to discourage people from posting the content they come across, but don't confuse insider leaks with a managed PR release. There won't be a meaningful update on Clowney's condition for a while, but there will be plenty of these fluff pieces. Remember that the sources quoted are guys covering their own asses after squandering a rare opportunity in the draft.
 
Brisco_County said:
I don't mean to discourage people from posting the content they come across, but don't confuse insider leaks with a managed PR release. There won't be a meaningful update on Clowney's condition for a while, but there will be plenty of these fluff pieces. Remember that the sources quoted are guys covering their own asses after squandering a rare opportunity in the draft.
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What would that be?
 
PapaL said:
They'd cover their ass if the guy sucked, not if he had a season ending injury. Stuff happens.
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There were flags. We've already covered this ad nauseum.

I don't know what choice I would have made, but I do know that anyone in their position is covering one's own ass.
 
Brisco_County said:
There were flags. We've already covered this ad nauseum.

I don't know what choice I would have made, but I do know that anyone in their position is covering one's own ass.
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Yeah. You're right. Tons of flags saying he'd blow his knee out jumping on the field. We all saw that coming.
 
LOL what hasn't been covered ad nauseum in this thread?

My own view . . . is that he never plays another regular season down ever again, a bum knee is a bum knee, I don't care how many times they fracture the micros. Do I 'hope' I'm wrong? Well yeah, but hope has nothing to do with it.

If Rick Smith is carrying any of this 'hope' **** into the draft, instead of going into it as if Clowney never plays again, then maybe everyone around here is right about him.
 
Marcus said:
LOL what hasn't been covered ad nauseum in this thread?

My own view . . . is that he never plays another regular season down ever again, a bum knee is a bum knee, I don't care how many times they fracture the micros. Do I 'hope' I'm wrong? Well yeah, but hope has nothing to do with it.

If Rick Smith is carrying any of this 'hope' **** into the draft, instead of going into it as if Clowney never plays again, then maybe everyone around here is right about him.
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I can agree with this, but I also believe there wasn't a right pick to make at 1.1 in the 2014 draft other than trading out of it. I have no idea (no one really does that wasn't in on the discussions) of what might or might not have been offered, but without said trade, JDC was the clear choice. Hindsight is what it is.
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DocBar said:
I can agree with this, but I also believe there wasn't a right pick to make at 1.1 in the 2014 draft other than trading out of it. I have no idea (no one really does that wasn't in on the discussions) of what might or might not have been offered, but without said trade, JDC was the clear choice. Hindsight is what it is.
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And I can agree with that. Even though drafts are crapshoots, in which you have just as much chance of getting it wrong as you do getting it right, sometimes fate deals a bad hand even if you do get it right.

The fact still remains that Watt is still carrying the load without any help, and it still needs to be addressed.
 
DocBar said:
I can agree with this, but I also believe there wasn't a right pick to make at 1.1 in the 2014 draft other than trading out of it. I have no idea (no one really does that wasn't in on the discussions) of what might or might not have been offered, but without said trade, JDC was the clear choice. Hindsight is what it is.
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Well, maybe OT Jake Matthews.
 
PapaL said:
Yeah. You're right. Tons of flags saying he'd blow his knee out jumping on the field. We all saw that coming.
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Ah, ok, I was under the impression you had kept up with pre-draft discussion and CnD's posts about his injury concerns. My bad for assuming you were informed. I didn't know you were just being contrarian out of boredom.
 
Any chance we can start a new JDC thread after 2100+ posts?

Maybe let CnD or DocBar start it with a few posts that summarize the various and sundry injuries, surgeries and rehab work? Give us a chance to talk about what this team will look like moving forward with and without him? This thread has become a referendum on Rick Smith.
 
Brisco_County said:
Ah, ok, I was under the impression you had kept up with pre-draft discussion and CnD's posts about his injury concerns. My bad for assuming you were informed. I didn't know you were just being contrarian out of boredom.
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I'm sorry. I assumed you knew everyone that has ever played football has dealt with injury. Thought that was a given. As for being informed, yeah it was covered in Hartman suing Reliant over the field conditions. Imagine that.
 
PapaL said:
I'm sorry. I assumed you knew everyone that has ever played football has dealt with injury. Thought that was a given. As for being informed, yeah it was covered in Hartman suing Reliant over the field conditions. Imagine that.
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Yep, the courts will be the ultimate judge.

It's not Smith's fault that his boss/HLS&R didn't want to pony up and have the field fixed correctly. See: I can defend Smith. LOL
 
Rockville said:
For what it's worth, Matthews battled an ankle injury last season and had Lisfranc surgery this off season. Not sure what that means for his future given it is a different prognosis for each instance.
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I don't want to side track this thread. But I do wish to respond to your post. (Mods, if there is a more appropriate thread to insert these posts, please feel free to move them)

Athletes can sustain an ankle twist or roll and this can be automatically assumed to be an ankle sprain. Lisfranc injuries, notably lesser ones, are not uncommonly mistaken at first for ankle sprains, especially as ankle pain may be a presenting symptom. If a subtle joint separation (which is characteristic of a Lisfranc) is not carefully looked for, it may be missed. Mathews injured his "ankle" at the very beginning of the season, and, despite continued problems, played with it throughout the season. Then after the season was completed, he was reported to have undergone surgery for a Lisfranc. There is a good possibility, that he initially suffered a mild Lisfranc separation, worsened it as the season progressed.........it was then recognized for what it was and surgery was performed. If these were the true events, it is unfortunate, in that the prognosis typically worsens with delay of diagnosis and surgical repair.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't want to side track this thread. But I do wish to respond to your post. (Mods, if there is a more appropriate thread to insert these posts, please feel free to move them)

Athletes can sustain an ankle twist or roll and this can be automatically assumed to be an ankle sprain. Lisfranc injuries, notably lesser ones, are not uncommonly mistaken at first for ankle sprains, especially as ankle pain may be a presenting symptom. If a subtle joint separation (which is characteristic of a Lisfranc) is not carefully looked for, it may be missed. Mathews injured his "ankle" at the very beginning of the season, and, despite continued problems, played with it throughout the season. Then after the season was completed, he was reported to have undergone surgery for a Lisfranc. There is a good possibility, that he initially suffered a mild Lisfranc separation, worsened it as the season progressed.........it was then recognized for what it was and surgery was performed. If these were the true events, it is unfortunate, in that the prognosis typically worsens with delay of diagnosis and surgical repair.
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In the above scenario, would a dramatic drop in mobility like what we saw with Schaub be expected or is there a chance of close to full recovery? #8 wasn't the fleetest of foot but to me it looked like day and night after the injury.
 
PapaL said:
In the above scenario, would a dramatic drop in mobility like what we saw with Schaub be expected or is there a chance of close to full recovery? #8 wasn't the fleetest of foot but to me it looked like day and night after the injury.
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A Lisfranc that requires surgery cannot be perceived as being anything good. Push off or holding off under great resistance is an important part of being a lineman. It would be surprising if this injury does not negatively affected these aspects of his play. No information as to if this is a Lisfranc with or without fracture. Schaub's was a Lisfranc fracture injury, which carries a better prognosis than one without fracture............and we all know how that turned out. You usually don't wish a player to have a fracture.........but in Mathews case, it would be a limited positive for a type of injury that holds very few positives.
 
MODS,

In order not to bog this thread down, could you start a thread in the National Football section entitles "Jake Mathews Undergoes Lisfranc Surgery" and move these last posts to that thread (and remove them from this one).

Thanks,

CND
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, the courts will be the ultimate judge.

It's not Smith's fault that his boss/HLS&R didn't want to pony up and have the field fixed correctly. See: I can defend Smith. LOL
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You love assuming that anything and everything Texan is wrong or bad. How do you possibly enjoy spending time following them? Lawsuits without merit are filed every minute, so jumping to conclusions based on a lawsuit being filed may not be a wise way to obtain determine facts.

Everything I've seen indicates that the field, with any real faults, is still superior to any artificial turf and among the better natural grass turfs in the league. NO field prevents injuries. Some are just better than others and we have one.
 
So is he gonna sit out another year?
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Pearland (CBS Houston) – Plagued by injuries during his initial year in the NFL Jadeveon Clowney can add another one to the list which already includes hernia surgery, a concussion, and eventually a knee injury requiring microfracture surgery.

SportsRadio 610 has learned that last week Clowney was bitten by teammate D.J. Swearinger’s pit bull. Police records obtained describe a bite to Clowney’s right arm that sent him to a Pearland emergency room....

...The Texans declined to offer a comment on the situation.

An update on Clowney’s knee surgery, which ended his rookie season early, was give by general manager Rick Smith in February at the NFL combine in Indianapolis.

“That training camp, first game of the season is within the normal context of what the time element for what we would expect from his recovery and he’s doing well,” Smith said.

He went on to add he thinks Clowney could be an “impactful” player for the team in 2015 but didn’t discuss a timeline for when he thought Clowney would accomplish that feat.
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Don't remember Kelce being mentioned in comparison to Clowney for recovery timeliine:

The Chiefs passing offense wasn’t a thing of beauty in 2014, but the lack of touchdown passes to the team’s wide receivers didn’t mean there were no positives at all.

Tight end Travis Kelce returned from microfracture surgery that kept him out of all but one game in his rookie season and showed an ability to make big plays as a receiver. Kelce caught 67 passes for 862 yards and five touchdowns despite playing a somewhat limited role early in the season. Kelce said he wasn’t able to start running until just before camp, which led the team to limit him early, and said this year would run more smoothly.

“My knee still wasn’t full strength last year which is why I’m excited about this year. Now I get the time to take a full offseason, get my legs ready, get my upper body and my explosiveness back that I know I had. I didn’t really feel that comfortable on the field, but we made it work,” Kelce said on 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland.
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steelbtexan said:
I wonder if Clowney getting bit by a dog at 3 AM is part of his rehab schedule?
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You'd think guys like this would see the second contracts handed to the likes of Suh and Watt and knuckle down to return full strength as quickly as possible. I hope I'm wrong but you'd think this dude would be working himself half to death every day chasing the best possible physical condition, put up the numbers his natural talent can obviously give him, to bloat that contract as far as possible, plenty of time to live like a rockstar after his relatively short career is over and he's got 100 million sat in the bank.

I hope I'm wrong, and such incidents are only a snapshot of how the man goes about his training/general lifestyle but you've gotta wonder what the hell is going through his mind at such a critical point in his career.

Fingers crossed we see a similar recovery, if he can even be JAG for us early next season and gradually progress towards domination then that'll be fantastic, if he can't grow up then he's going to miss out on that super-rich lifestyle.
 
welsh texan said:
You'd think guys like this would see the second contracts handed to the likes of Suh and Watt and knuckle down to return full strength as quickly as possible.
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I wonder if he's to that part of his rehab yet. I know the first several months is about not doing anything physical at all on the knee to allow it to heel.
 
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