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The improbable improvement of Kareem Jackson

Brisco_County said:
I think we're still drafting a CB in the top three (My list: ILB, RT, CB).
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Agreed. I'm with you on drafting a cornerback in the first, second or third round. Although I have hope that Brian Cushing is closer to 100 % in 2015 and Jadeveon Clowney (OLB) and Louis Nix III (NT) also add more muscle in our front seven. I'd rather draft a wide receiver and quarterback in the first three rounds as well. I'm not as worried about RT and ILB right now. We can draft one in the 4th or 5th round. Easier to target those positions in free agency or trades also.
 
JB said:
I'll go with speedy WR, coverage ILB, and ball hawking FS
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I like that plan better if we feel like we have our quarterback of the future already in Tom Savage, Ryan Mallett or insert any trade target or free agent option quarterback that may become available. A ballhawking free safety is a nice luxury we haven't really had.

A solid young cover corner can likely help us defend T.Y. Hilton for many years to come. We're likely going to lose one, if not both, of our starting cornerbacks in Kareem Jackson and Johnathan Joseph. We can probably draft a cornerback and free safey in the 2015 draft. Probably two cornerbacks as I browse through our current roster. It depends who we lose in free agency.

I believe Brian Cushing and Max Bullough are both going to beast in 2015. Mercilus has become one heck of a player as well. i'm okay with the current linebackers we have now. Assuming they are healthy. Our defense is pretty damn good at the moment even with the injuries. But we still need more secondary help to become a dominating defense. We have enough horses in the front seven if Clowney and Nix III come back with a vengeance in 2015.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I like that plan better if we feel like we have our quarterback of the future already in Tom Savage, Ryan Mallett or insert any trade target or free agent option quarterback that may become available. A ballhawking free safety is a nice luxury we haven't really had.

A solid young cover corner can likely help us defend T.Y. Hilton for many years to come. We're likely going to lose one, if not both, of our starting cornerbacks in Kareem Jackson and Johnathan Joseph. We can probably draft a cornerback and free safey in the 2015 draft. Probably two cornerbacks as I browse through our current roster. It depends who we lose in free agency.

I believe Brian Cushing and Max Bullough are both going to beast in 2015. Mercilus has become one heck of a player as well. i'm okay with the current linebackers we have now. Assuming they are healthy. Our defense is pretty damn good at the moment even with the injuries. But we still need more secondary help to become a dominating defense. We have enough horses in the front seven if Clowney and Nix III come back with a vengeance in 2015.
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Cushing is the very first person I'd cut the second our season is over.
 
JB said:
I'll go with speedy WR, coverage ILB, and ball hawking FS
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Great minds thinking alike.

Even if I had to trade back up into the 2nd to fill these 3 needs I would do it. My dream draft.

1.Thompson
2. Prewitt
2. Greene

If Rashad Greene is there at pick # 60 I hope Smith trades up. All of these guys are safe/huge upgrades.
 
houstonspartan said:
Cushing is the very first person I'd cut the second our season is over.
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Why? So he can sign with another team and become an all pro in 2015? It would be like losing Mario Williams and Connor Barwin. Both became amazing players, even better than what they were, after leaving the Texans. They won the AFC and NFC defensive players of the month for the Bills and Eagles for November I believe. We have to stay faithful to some of these guys. Don't allow the injuries to influence your thought process. We have to believe in Cushing, Clowney and Nix III going into 2015. We also have a ton of other young and talented linebackers. Our secondary has been exposed all season long. That's a problem we don't seem to have a quick fix to.
 
Heck, I'd be okay drafting a cornerback and free safety in the first two rounds. We can keep A.J. Bouye for depth but a starter he is not. Just the way A.J. Green ate him alive when the Bengals beat us, while he mockingly screamed out, "put another guy on me!" still makes my stomach hurt. I know it's hard to find a good shutdown cornerback. Our odds of finding one are better if we draft one in the first or second round. A good free safety, a ballhawking playmaker out there, would elevate our defensive backfield and take our defense to another level.
 
steelbtexan said:
Great minds thinking alike.

Even if I had to trade back up into the 2nd to fill these 3 needs I would do it. My dream draft.

1.Thompson
2. Prewitt
2. Greene

If Rashad Greene is there at pick # 60 I hope Smith trades up. All of these guys are safe/huge upgrades.
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That would be a dream draft :highfive:
 
I've always argued that KJ was being judged too harshly. During the "he sucks" phase of his career, all I ever said, was that he's making mistakes you'd expect a rookie to make on a historically bad defense making him look a lot worse than he really is.

I think he's come a long way, but he's a #2 corner at best. He's got the skills to be a shutdown corner, not going to make a lot of plays on the ball, but more of a Nmandi type, where you don't throw the ball his way, because his guy is covered.

However, he hasn't developed that way & I think he's taken a step away from that direction this year. Maybe it's the scheme, or another philosophy they've got going on back there, or whatever... but my point is that he's not a #1 corner, he shouldn't get #1 corner money (not that any one is saying he is)...

But most importantly, we shouldn't be looking forward to him in the backfield with guys like Bouye, Morris, Hal, unless you think they have what it takes to be better. #1 CB should still be on our list of needs, along with franchise QB, & play making ILB.

The main thing I didn't like about Dunta was how much "the fans" liked him & how content the Texans seem to be with him being our best corner. Without a doubt he was a good player, so is Kareem. Just not #1 corner.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Why? So he can sign with another team and become an all pro in 2015? It would be like losing Mario Williams and Connor Barwin. Both became amazing players, even better than what they were, after leaving the Texans. They won the AFC and NFC defensive players of the month for the Bills and Eagles for November I believe. We have to stay faithful to some of these guys. Don't allow the injuries to influence your thought process. We have to believe in Cushing, Clowney and Nix III going into 2015. We also have a ton of other young and talented linebackers. Our secondary has been exposed all season long. That's a problem we don't seem to have a quick fix to.
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And don't allow emotion and sentiment to influence yours.

What you are saying is absurd.

Mario was not worth $100m when he was here. Ok, we finally grew up and a change of scene finally forced him to care about football, and he's doing well. Good for him. I wish him well; but, I'm glad we didn't keep him.

I like Connor Barwin as a person, but the guy was inconsistent and never really was the dominant player here that he could have been. If he's doing great in Philly, good for him. I wish him well.

And Cushing? Come on. There is a high probability that he will not become the same dominant player he once was. If he goes to another team and blows up, great. That would mean a change of scene would be good for him. But I would have no remorse about letting him go.

Regarding Clowney: You're right. I do believe in him. Still. He deserves a chance to prove he can come back from his injury and play. Same with Nix. I'm not adovcating getting rid of either of those guys.

What you are advocating is what has kept this team back for years: Hey, let's be loyal to our guys, regardless of performance! Let's sign them to massive contracts even though they don't deserve it!

No. We have to get away from that.

Cushing's gotta go.
 
Playoffs said:
Bouye has had 3 good games... 2 of those were against the Colts.
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The kid has played well. Beside the obvious hiccups a young CB will have, I thought he has played well. AJ Green beat him up BUT Green beats up a lot of seasoned CB's.

What about giving KJ a shot at Safety? Is he suited for that?
 
austins23 said:
The kid has played well. Beside the obvious hiccups a young CB will have, I thought he has played well. AJ Green beat him up BUT Green beats up a lot of seasoned CB's.

What about giving KJ a shot at Safety? Is he suited for that?
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The franchise tag amount for safeties is about $3.4 million less than that for cornerbacks. Not that KJ's gonna get franchised, or get franchise money, but it's all relative, and if we're gonna make him a safety, we need to pay him safety money, and since we'll be competing with other teams willing to pay him starting cornerback money, attempting to re-sign him to play safety pretty much guarantees he'll be leaving.
 
ChampionTexan said:
The franchise tag amount for safeties is about $3.4 million less than that for cornerbacks. Not that KJ's gonna get franchised, or get franchise money, but it's all relative, and if we're gonna make him a safety, we need to pay him safety money, and since we'll be competing with other teams willing to pay him starting cornerback money, attempting to re-sign him to play safety pretty much guarantees he'll be leaving.
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And there you have it. Hadn't thought about the dollars and cents part of it.
 
austins23 said:
What about giving KJ a shot at Safety? Is he suited for that?
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KJ's highest/best use is as is -- a boundary CB who can slide into the slot. He'll get paid as a CB and there will be strong competition to sign him. Ravens, Jets, Jags, Bucs, Redskins, Titans to name a few.
 
Brisco_County said:
His knee was swelling halfway through the season, indicating that his injury was not 100% healed. He has always been the type to play hurt. I expect improvement from him after another offseason of recovery.
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That is my expectation as well. He was improving weekly and then swelled/drained and played through it.
 
Brisco_County said:
His knee was swelling halfway through the season, indicating that his injury was not 100% healed. He has always been the type to play hurt. I expect improvement from him after another offseason of recovery.
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If he can't perform due to injury, then we may get reimbursed by insurance for part of his salary. But I've never seen an adjustment to the cap. But the poster is correct in that it will cost $5.7M more to cut him than to keep him around.

I'm no doctor, but it does seem that SOME athletes come back strong after two or three years while some never get the chance.
 
Just seems like more often than not all of Houston's sports teams let players go and then once they leave they become more successful.
 
KJ's getting hitched. Congrats

Kareem Jackson ‏@ReemBoi25 · 17h17 hours ago
Done deal!!! Call her Mrs. Jackson now!!!!
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They should rename this thread to . . .

"The improbable re-signing of Kareem Jackson"

He's gone. Book it.
 
Marcus said:
They should rename this thread to . . .

"The improbable re-signing of Kareem Jackson"

He's gone. Book it.
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Maybe, but I want him back. I ragged him pretty hard early on. It seemed like once JJo arrived he became a different cat all together. He progressed both on and off the field ever since.

I really hope we get him back. Hopefully he won't be offered some Raider-like deal and we're able to bring him back at a 'good' tier CB deal rather than the elite, outrageous type deals
 
Marcus said:
They should rename this thread to . . .

"The improbable re-signing of Kareem Jackson"

He's gone. Book it.
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JB said:
Why do you assert that?
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I think he's gone because the Texans won't be able to afford him. Someone will pay him big money, kind of like we paid JJo in 2011, and the Texans FO won't even try to match.
 
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paycheck71 said:
I think he's gone because the Texans won't be able to afford him. Someone will pay him big money, kind of like we payed JJo in 2011, and the Texans FO won't even try to match.
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I'm a big fan of KJax, but he has never been at the level of JJo when we signed him at 2011 imo. JJo was at an elite level, and at the end of the day KJax is just a glorified #2 CB imo.
 
Well from one top 50 free agents list - Link

7. Darrelle Revis CB 30 NE Option
19. Brandon Flowers CB 29 SD
34. Kareem Jackson CB 27 HOU
35. Chris Culliver CB 27 SF
49. Antonio Cromartie CB 31 ARI
50. Sterling Moore CB 25 DAL
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Walterfootball

Brandon Flowers, CB, Chargers. Age: 29.
Antonio Cromartie, CB, Cardinals. Age: 31.
Kareem Jackson, CB, Texans. Age: 27.
Byron Maxwell, CB, Seahawks. Age: 27.
Tramon Williams, CB, Packers. Age: 32.
Chris Culliver, CB, 49ers. Age: 27.
Tarell Brown, CB, Raiders. Age: 30.
Rashean Mathis, CB, Lions. Age: 35.
Walter Thurmond III, CB, Giants. Age: 28.
Patrick Robinson, CB, Saints. Age: 27.
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infantrycak said:
Looks to me like the options are re-sign him or sign an older stop-gap like Cromartie or Williams and draft one no later than the 2nd.
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I'd rather pay the money for a known commodity than roll the dice for maybe

Vet FA + rookie is going to eat up most of what we'd have to pay KJ
 
JB said:
I'd rather pay the money for a known commodity than roll the dice for maybe

Vet FA + rookie is going to eat up most of what we'd have to pay KJ
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Keeping KJ is my preference as well. I just think those are the options for not having the secondary slip. I don't see Bouye or Morris stepping up or a rookie moving straight in. So a vet and draft pick (to go to nickel) would be a plan B that might keep us even.
 
infantrycak said:
Keeping KJ is my preference as well. I just think those are the options for not having the secondary slip. I don't see Bouye or Morris stepping up or a rookie moving straight in. So a vet and draft pick (to go to nickel) would be a plan B that might keep us even.
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Agreed, but we'd have to get pretty lucky... maybe Gaines can find someone but the previous regime couldn't. I have no faith in our draft finding a decent corner that can help the first year
 
to lose a franchise cornerback at kareem's age and level ... it's beyond comprehension. someone's going to pay kareem. know why? he's THAT GOOD! only texans fans know of the kiddie corners and "and jackson falls down". management across the league only knows that kareem is a hitter, has spent impossible hours learning from the best how to improve his sideline shadow, he's got all of the burst and top end to play the position, and though he'd be a solid #1, kareem is capable of not only being a left or right or interchangeable - but can slide into the slot and remove interior threats. it's unlikely that there is a more complete cornerback in the league.

how do you NOT keep that guy on the roster?
 
Scooter said:
to lose a franchise cornerback at kareem's age and level ... it's beyond comprehension. someone's going to pay kareem. know why? he's THAT GOOD! only texans fans know of the kiddie corners and "and jackson falls down". management across the league only knows that kareem is a hitter, has spent impossible hours learning from the best how to improve his sideline shadow, he's got all of the burst and top end to play the position, and though he'd be a solid #1, kareem is capable of not only being a left or right or interchangeable - but can slide into the slot and remove interior threats. it's unlikely that there is a more complete cornerback in the league.

how do you NOT keep that guy on the roster?
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12.96 million projected for a franchise tagged cb this year? Bye.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
He's not gonna get a major deal imo or overpaid. He will get paid in the Mcourty/ Finnegan range
http://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/
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We will not franchise him. I want you to be right but i think your wrong. Time will tell I guess. Recent deals like Carr and grimes work in our favor but cb's are always a commodity. Copy cats across the league are still in awe of the sb hawk secondary and someone -- no -- SOMEONE'S will overpay.
 
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