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Ryan Mallett

gafftop said:
Anybody think what we saw in the first and second game for Mallett is Mallett.

It seems as though everyone is giving him a pass on the second game because of the injury. I am not so sure that what we saw in Mallett may just be Mallett. If we can get him for next to nothing then get him. If anything more let someone else pay him. Savage seems to be another mistake by upper management. Just my opinion.
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Your solution/plan is what exactly? Not start a QB? Since it seems that you think our two best options, thus far, are mistakes.
 
gafftop said:
Anybody think what we saw in the first and second game for Mallett is Mallett.
It seems as though everyone is giving him a pass on the second game because of the injury. I am not so sure that what we saw in Mallett may just be Mallett. If we can get him for next to nothing then get him. If anything more let someone else pay him. Savage seems to be another mistake by upper management. Just my opinion.
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Of course. You've never said anything positive. JJ is just another DT also.
 
gafftop said:
Anybody think what we saw in the first and second game for Mallett is Mallett.
It seems as though everyone is giving him a pass on the second game because of the injury. I am not so sure that what we saw in Mallett may just be Mallett. If we can get him for next to nothing then get him. If anything more let someone else pay him. Savage seems to be another mistake by upper management. Just my opinion.
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If you compare the two games by Mallett, you can see that his decision making was correct. The difference in games was accuracy, with the pec injury revealing exactly what you'd expect from such an injury to a throwing arm: strong throws going over the heads of his targets because he lacked the physical ability to bring them down accurately.

So, we have a valid medical reason that can logically explain the difference in performances.

What do you offer that can logically explain it? "Mallett being Mallett" offers nothing without supporting evidence.
 
Double Barrel said:
If you compare the two games by Mallett, you can see that his decision making was correct. The difference in games was accuracy, with the pec injury revealing exactly what you'd expect from such an injury to a throwing arm: strong throws going over the heads of his targets because he lacked the physical ability to bring them down accurately.

So, we have a valid medical reason that can logically explain the difference in performances.

What do you offer that can logically explain it? "Mallett being Mallett" offers nothing without supporting evidence.
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Damnit, MSR.
 
gafftop said:
Anybody think what we saw in the first and second game for Mallett is Mallett.

It seems as though everyone is giving him a pass on the second game because of the injury...
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Dr. CND has stated that while the triceps can provide strength it's the pectoralis that supports accuracy. I gotta go with that.
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gafftop said:
Anybody think what we saw in the first and second game for Mallett is Mallett.
It seems as though everyone is giving him a pass on the second game because of the injury. I am not so sure that what we saw in Mallett may just be Mallett. If we can get him for next to nothing then get him. If anything more let someone else pay him. Savage seems to be another mistake by upper management. Just my opinion.
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Obviously you have never had even a mild pectoral muscle strain......let alone a complete rupture.......and tried to throw a paper wad.

He should have never been trodded out and allowed to practice so soon after his initial injury. Even a Grade I tear requires at least 1-2 weeks of rest to properly rehab and prevent extension of the tear which obviously occurred by game time.

I not only give him a pass for the second game, I give him an A+ for the performance that he was able eek out......a performance that must have been under the most excruciatingly painful situation imaginable.
 
Originally my only interest in Mallett was that he knew the system... meaning we did not have to start off at square one finding a QB, like Minnesota did, like Jacksonville did, or like Cleveland did.

Of course all those guys had "veteran" signal callers to ease their rookie QBs in. We had Fitzpatrick.

I'm still optimistic about finding our QB next season. We've got two options, it's either Mallett, or it's Savage. For Minnesota, Jacksonville, & Oakland, they've got all their eggs in one basket. Arguably their basket is better than ours, but still it is only one basket.

& we still might draft a QB in 2015, 2016, so who knows.
 
gafftop said:
Anybody think what we saw in the first and second game for Mallett is Mallett.
It seems as though everyone is giving him a pass on the second game because of the injury. I am not so sure that what we saw in Mallett may just be Mallett. If we can get him for next to nothing then get him. If anything more let someone else pay him. Savage seems to be another mistake by upper management. Just my opinion.
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lol. That's cool. I'm almost exactly the opposite.

I think even the first game was Mallett playing with injury. I don't think we've seen him play anywhere near what he's capable of, yet. I think the Cincy game was totally playing through an injury.

I don't think we're going to have to break the bank for him and I don't think we should. But I think we're going to be golden at the QB spot next year.

And I'm not worried about a guy looking like a rookie in his first game as a rookie, so I'm not worried about Savage at this point, either.

I wouldn't be against drafting a QB relatively high, either, if we can improve that position even more but I suspect we can get more bang for the buck drafting other spots, concentrating on the best players available that fit our various schemes.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
lol. That's cool. I'm almost exactly the opposite.

I think even the first game was Mallett playing with injury. I don't think we've seen him play anywhere near what he's capable of, yet. I think the Cincy game was totally playing through an injury.

I don't think we're going to have to break the bank for him and I don't think we should. But I think we're going to be golden at the QB spot next year.

And I'm not worried about a guy looking like a rookie in his first game as a rookie, so I'm not worried about Savage at this point, either.

I wouldn't be against drafting a QB relatively high, either, if we can improve that position even more but I suspect we can get more bang for the buck drafting other spots, concentrating on the best players available that fit our various schemes.
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^^^^ Totally agree with this (not sure if Mallett was injured for first game, but I could see that).

MSR
 
PapaL said:
Your solution/plan is what exactly? Not start a QB? Since it seems that you think our two best options, thus far, are mistakes.
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My plan was to trade 1.1 for picks that would allow us to pick a QB earlier last year maybe Garrapalo, or have an additional pick in 2015 to move up and get a QB in 2015. It is hard to come up with a good plan when you are in the position our upper management has put us in. I think the Texans will sign Mallett, I just hope they don't over value him in a way that if he does not work out we are screwed. If they can get him at a reasonable price get him but based on his history I think he will be inconsistent. Just my opinion.
CloakNNNdagger said:
Obviously you have never had even a mild pectoral muscle strain......let alone a complete rupture.......and tried to throw a paper wad.

He should have never been trodded out and allowed to practice so soon after his initial injury. Even a Grade I tear requires at least 1-2 weeks of rest to properly rehab and prevent extension of the tear which obviously occurred by game time.

I not only give him a pass for the second game, I give him an A+ for the performance that he was able eek out......a performance that must have been under the most excruciatingly painful situation imaginable.
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I agree he should never have played the 2nd game. Why didn't he tell OB he was hurt or if he did why did OB play him. I think Fitz could have won the game if he had started and we would be playoff bound now.

I would keep Keenum and let him compete for a spot. So you go into next year with Fitz, Mallett(if you can get him at a reasonable price), Keenum. Savage and whatever. If we had gotten anything out of this year's draft class we might have made the playoffs. My main problem with the Texans is with the upper management we have now I see no chance of building a long lasting competitive team. We finally got rid of Kubiak for the better and I think a change at GM etc could be for the better but even if not at least we will be doing something.
 
gafftop said:
...My main problem with the Texans is with the upper management we have now I see no chance of building a long lasting competitive team...
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This I don't understand. We were in the playoffs two years ago. We had a melt down last year and replaced our coaching staff. This year, learning new systems on both offense and defense, and counting my eggs before they're hatched, we've recovered to 9-7 - still mathematically in the hunt to make post season play. Things are looking favorable for us win at least 10 wins next year.

This is not competitive football?
 
gafftop said:
I agree he should never have played the 2nd game. Why didn't he tell OB he was hurt or if he did why did OB play him. I think Fitz could have won the game if he had started and we would be playoff bound now.
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OB doesn't make that call. The medical staff does. Watching him play should have been enough to physically re-examine him on the sideline, an extending pectoralis tear should have been evident.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
OB doesn't make that call. The medical staff does. Watching him play should have been enough to physically re-examine him on the sideline, an extending pectoralis tear should have been evident.
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And as to why Mallett didn't say anything (and this is really kind of obvious), he was a 4th year NFL QB in the 4th year of a 4 year contract, he'd started one game in his career, and thrown all of 4 passes prior to that one game. I'm guessing unless an essential body part fell off, and then got lost so he couldn't just tape it back on, he wasn't gonna say squat about maybe needing to not play due to injury.

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ChampionTexan said:
And as to why Mallett didn't say anything (and this is really kind of obvious), he was a 4th year NFL QB in the 4th year of a 4 year contract, he'd started one game in his career, and thrown all of 4 passes prior to that one game. I'm guessing unless an essential body part fell off, and then got lost so he couldn't just tape it back on, he wasn't gonna say squat about maybe needing to not play due to injury.

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While I sort of understand Mallett's line of thinking, the fact is he put his future chances to get paid above the team's chances for success.
 
ObsiWan said:
While I sort of understand Mallett's line of thinking, the fact is he put his future chances to get paid above the team's chances for success.
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Or he believed that as long as he could attempt to make a play, and as he was continuing to be asked to, he would do so. Getting yanked shouldn't be left to a competitor. That's why the white towel is left to the trainer.
 
ObsiWan said:
While I sort of understand Mallett's line of thinking, the fact is he put his future chances to get paid above the team's chances for success.
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Or, in his mind, his future chances to get paid, and his team's chances for success were in total allignment, and he would be able to play through the pain and lead them to victory.

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ChampionTexan said:
And as to why Mallett didn't say anything (and this is really kind of obvious), he was a 4th year NFL QB in the 4th year of a 4 year contract, he'd started one game in his career, and thrown all of 4 passes prior to that one game. I'm guessing unless an essential body part fell off, and then got lost so he couldn't just tape it back on, he wasn't gonna say squat about maybe needing to not play due to injury.

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Mallet may have had his reasons for not saying anything, but when his play was obviously affected by his already known to exist pectoralis tear, the medical staff still had the obligation to examine him on the sidelines. It wouldn't have mattered whatever he told them or not, physical examination of the pec muscle would have told the story. Since they were not interested enough to give him the proper rest after the initial injury, they were evidently not very interested in whether he extended the injury either. They were focused just like coaches only in gaining the win............that approach resulted in loss on 2 counts.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Mallet may have had his reasons for not saying anything, but when his play was obviously affected by his already known to exist pectoralis tear, the medical staff still had the obligation to examine him on the sidelines. It wouldn't have mattered whatever he told them or not, physical examination of the pec muscle would have told the story. Since they were not interested enough to give him the proper rest after the initial injury, they were evidently not very interested in whether he extended the injury either. They were focused just like coaches only in gaining the win............that approach resulted in loss on 2 counts.
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you're right. I shouldn't blame the kid for wanting to play. Anyone in his shoes would have.
But those witch doctors the Texans have on their payroll.... Their heads should roll. It's not like this is the first time.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Mallet may have had his reasons for not saying anything, but when his play was obviously affected by his already known to exist pectoralis tear, the medical staff still had the obligation to examine him on the sidelines. It wouldn't have mattered whatever he told them or not, physical examination of the pec muscle would have told the story. Since they were not interested enough to give him the proper rest after the initial injury, they were evidently not very interested in whether he extended the injury either. They were focused just like coaches only in gaining the win............that approach resulted in loss on 2 counts.
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Was the injury known to exist? It should have been known, but was it?
 
ObsiWan said:
While I sort of understand Mallett's line of thinking, the fact is he put his future chances to get paid above the team's chances for success.
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He still made some pretty good throws that game.

Mallett's not a doctor either. All he knew was that there was some pain in his chest/shoulder, but felt he could play through the pain like every other NFL player that far into the season.
 
ObsiWan said:
you're right. I shouldn't blame the kid for wanting to play. Anyone in his shoes would have...
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He was playing for his second contract, which is what most of these guys will end up living off of.

ObsiWan said:
But those witch doctors the Texans have on their payroll.... Their heads should roll. It's not like this is the first time.
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It's a shame that O'Brien doesn't have the institutional memory that we have. Hope it doesn't take long for him to get up to speed.
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JB said:
Was the injury known to exist? It should have been known, but was it?
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He was on the Injury Report for the injury throughout the week after the Browns game.......and played every practice........no 1-2 week (required for the mildest grade I pec tear) rest before returning to play. Anyone watching him from the beginning of the Bengals game would have seen he was not the same QB we saw against the Browns. There was good reason.....as Mallet admitted later that he had extended the injury in morning warmups prior to the Bengals game........an injury that obviously was inexcusably allowed to further extend to complete rupture by the end of that game.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He was on the Injury Report for the injury throughout the week after the Browns game.......and played every practice........no 1-2 week (required for the mildest grade I pec tear) rest before returning to play. Anyone watching him from the beginning of the Bengals game would have seen he was not the same QB we saw against the Browns. There was good reason.....as Mallet admitted later that he had extended the injury in morning warmups prior to the Bengals game........an injury that obviously was inexcusably allowed to further extend to complete rupture by the end of that game.
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Thanks for refreshing my memory :D
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Mallet may have had his reasons for not saying anything, but when his play was obviously affected by his already known to exist pectoralis tear, the medical staff still had the obligation to examine him on the sidelines. It wouldn't have mattered whatever he told them or not, physical examination of the pec muscle would have told the story. Since they were not interested enough to give him the proper rest after the initial injury, they were evidently not very interested in whether he extended the injury either. They were focused just like coaches only in gaining the win............that approach resulted in loss on 2 counts.
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I'm not arguing with a bit of this. The poster you quoted asked why Mallett himself didn't tell OB about the injury, or why OB didn't pull him, and your response seemed to only reference the latter of those two.
 
Once Mallett was clearly seen to be failing in the game against the Bengals (read: the first quarter), he should have been pulled.

A failure on all fronts. We would have won that game had we had a ****ing QB that was able to accurately throw to our players.

That game was freakin' critical. Critical. And we lost it directly because of the medical staff, Mallett thinking he could play through and O'Brien for not pulling him. I'm not sure there's anything that happened this season that pisses me off more than what happened in that Bengals game. Maybe the stupidity at the beginning of the first Colts game, maybe that 3 minute stretch against Pittsburgh, but top-to-bottom, probably nothing as infuriating and entirely avoidable.
 
QuiGonGinNTonic said:
is this a new product?
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Not sure how "new" it is, I think it makes a common rehab process easier.

Company started by a Texans rehab specialist...
Roland Ramirez, ATC, LAT, PT, SCS, CSCS
Coordinator of Rehabilitation
Assistant Athletic Trainer
Houston Texans

Roland Ramirez, founder of DS2 Rehab Systems, LLC and inventor of the DS2 PLATFORM, is entering his fourth season as the Coordinator of Rehabilitation/ Assistant Athletic Trainer with the Houston Texans. He held this same position with the Atlanta Falcons during the 2007 season, and served as a contract athletic trainer for the Tennessee Titans during the 2005 and 2006 seasons...

He earned a dual masters degree in physical therapy and athletic training from the Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center in 2004 and 2005, respectively. Ramirez completed his undergraduate work at Texas Tech University, where he played football from 1998-99.

He is board certified as a clinical specialist in sports physical therapy by the American Board of Physical Therapy Specialists. He also holds a certification as a strength and conditioning specialist and is a member of the NATA, APTA, NSCA, and PFATS.
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Playoffs said:
Ryan Mallett ‏@Ryan_mallett_15


Mal and KLew.
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See his last retweet?

Ryan Mallett retweeted
worldplay wes ‏@wildwildwess · 36m36 minutes ago
Ima let new england celebrate outta respect for greatness, but bulls on parade in t-minus 221 days.. #houstontexans @Ryan_mallett_15 squaaad
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Ryan knows something
 
dream_team said:
Hopefully both flying to Houston to sign extensions.
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Interesting that two Texans FA are on plane to Houston during Super Bowl game. Two signed reasonable priced contracts would sure look good and cause some discussion this time of year.
 
badboy said:
Interesting that two Texans FA are on plane to Houston during Super Bowl game. Two signed reasonable priced contracts would sure look good and cause some discussion this time of year.
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When are the Texans allowed to extend contracts -vs- having to wait for FA?
 
JB said:
any idea who world play wes is?
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Just some guy I think but DO NOT look at his twitter bio. Some pretty nasty pics there. You have been warned

EDIT: New tweet:

Ryan Mallett ‏@Ryan_mallett_15 · 56s56 seconds ago
Somebody tell Beast Mode I'll give him the ball on the 1 yard line 15-15 times. #Texans
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But you have Arian?
 
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