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Ryan Mallett (Houston, We Have A Monster)

Just our curiosity, on how long it takes to recover from this type of injury. If Mallett is resigned, would he be ready to go come OTA's and mini-camp?

To put a timeline on it, if this injury occurred Week 1 of the season, would he be able to return in the same season?
 
Troy Chapman said:
Just our curiosity, on how long it takes to recover from this type of injury. If Mallett is resigned, would he be ready to go come OTA's and mini-camp?

To put a timeline on it, if this injury occurred Week 1 of the season, would he be able to return in the same season?
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Playoffs said:
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2422359#post2422359
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Yeah. Didn't Super Mario have the same injury? It took him out for the season, iirc.
 
Duane Brown said in the huddle they could tell it was bothering him, but that he was trying to not let it show and that he respects him trying to fight through it for the team all the way to the end.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Duane Brown said in the huddle they could tell it was bothering him, but that he was trying to not let it show and that he respects him trying to fight through it for the team all the way to the end.
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I don't see how people can't understand why he kept playing. After 3 seasons of waiting in the wings and he finally gets his shot only to see it taken away by injuries. I'm sure he told everyone it was just sore, he might of really believed that though.
 
This explains that double-clutching he kept doing. I'm guessing he couldn't get his upper body to uncoil, and he kept having to pull the ball back. It certainly sucks that he is out for the season. However, this is the best injury news I have heard in years, because the alternative (after that performance yesterday) was that he definitely was not the answer at quarterback... Now, at least, hope remains.

It was bizarre to see such a dramatic difference in decision-making, accuracy, confidence, etc... in one week. I assumed the Bengals were doing something at the snap, in coverage, that was confusing him. I am glad, apparently, that was not the problem.
 
dalemurphy said:
This explains that double-clutching he kept doing. I'm guessing he couldn't get his upper body to uncoil, and he kept having to pull the ball back. It certainly sucks that he is out for the season. However, this is the best injury news I have heard in years, because the alternative (after that performance yesterday) was that he definitely was not the answer at quarterback... Now, at least, hope remains.

It was bizarre to see such a dramatic difference in decision-making, accuracy, confidence, etc... in one week. I assumed the Bengals were doing something at the snap, in coverage, that was confusing him. I am glad, apparently, that was not the problem.
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yeah, it was wide open guys he was missing :kitten:
 
dalemurphy said:
This explains that double-clutching he kept doing. I'm guessing he couldn't get his upper body to uncoil, and he kept having to pull the ball back. It certainly sucks that he is out for the season. However, this is the best injury news I have heard in years, because the alternative (after that performance yesterday) was that he definitely was not the answer at quarterback... Now, at least, hope remains.

It was bizarre to see such a dramatic difference in decision-making, accuracy, confidence, etc... in one week. I assumed the Bengals were doing something at the snap, in coverage, that was confusing him. I am glad, apparently, that was not the problem.
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I feel exactly the same way... except I don't know if he couldn't "uncoil" I just think he was second guessing what he could & could not do.

I saw enough in the Cleveland game to want him here next season. Not so much that I think he's the QB of the future, but I saw enough to know we can win with Ryan Mallett & that's all that's important to me.

Not the same, "We can win with Ryan Fitzpatrick" kind of thing. With Fitz, the way he's played with us so far, it's about not making mistakes & riding Arian like he stole something.

Mallett can actually help Arian, Mallett can actually help Andre & Hop, Mallett can actually help the defense. We don't need to protect him from himself...

Before I knew about the injury, I wasn't blaming Mallett. I was blaming OB. Looked like that same Fitzpatrick "gameplan" that didn't give us a chance to win. Run on first down, run on second..... throw to get out of trouble, don't take shots downfield.

The injury makes more sense to me.
 
thunderkyss said:
I feel exactly the same way... except I don't know if he couldn't "uncoil" I just think he was second guessing what he could & could not do.

I saw enough in the Cleveland game to want him here next season. Not so much that I think he's the QB of the future, but I saw enough to know we can win with Ryan Mallett & that's all that's important to me.

Not the same, "We can win with Ryan Fitzpatrick" kind of thing. With Fitz, the way he's played with us so far, it's about not making mistakes & riding Arian like he stole something.

Mallett can actually help Arian, Mallett can actually help Andre & Hop, Mallett can actually help the defense. We don't need to protect him from himself...

Before I knew about the injury, I wasn't blaming Mallett. I was blaming OB. Looked like that same Fitzpatrick "gameplan" that didn't give us a chance to win. Run on first down, run on second..... throw to get out of trouble, don't take shots downfield.

The injury makes more sense to me.
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Fitz needs to open it up as well...that game plan isn't working for him, either. The guy has thrown 24 TD's twice in a season and is capable of a lot more than he is showing here. When he was with the Bills, he put up points and yards (and even beat Brady in a game they were down 21-0), but the Bills had a very poor defense which led to many high scoring games and forced turnovers. He was also 5-6 as a starter on a very bad Titans team last season (they are 2-9 this year). I had some harsh criticism of Mallett before I realized the extent of his injury...he has admittedly shown some potential. The one I a most disappointed with at this time is the head coach. I have yet to be impressed with his decision making, playcalling, or comments...
 
NYTexansFan said:
Fitz needs to open it up as well...that game plan isn't working for him, either. The guy has thrown 24 TD's twice in a season and is capable of a lot more than he is showing here. When he was with the Bills, he put up points and yards (and even beat Brady in a game they were down 21-0)...
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I know. I've been waiting for him to open it up. I thought he was trying to minimize his mistakes. But when the INTs were coming & the lack of TDs, I thought he'd open it up, let the ball fly.

Maybe it was OB's doing, but Fitz has control at the LOS. Fitz decides where the ball goes.
 
I really want to believe that Mallett has some hidden superstar talent just waiting to
pop out. However, I just don't see how a team like the Patriots would have missed
that. Seems like they know what they're doing in terms of turning their roster over.

Either way, he is certainly a more promising option that Savage or Hoyer.

Just the thought of Hoyer leading this team gives me a migraine
 
If Bill O'Brien names his starter after OTA's again, then I'll have my doubts on him. Hopefully he gives these guys at least a preseason game to determine who should get the job.
 
santo said:
If Bill O'Brien names his starter after OTA's again, then I'll have my doubts on him. Hopefully he gives these guys at least a preseason game to determine who should get the job.
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If it's totally obvious which of these guys should be the starter because of their greater knowledge of the offense, I don't care when he names the starter.
 
Playoffs said:
Brett does another Mallett video, worth a watch...

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Perhaps Mallett is the front runner.
I want to see how Hoyer does with the ones before I buy into Mallett as the starter. I can't bring myself to dismiss Hoyer (especially given what they paid him) until I see what he can do in this offense.
 
speedfreek said:
I really want to believe that Mallett has some hidden superstar talent just waiting to
pop out. However, I just don't see how a team like the Patriots would have missed that.
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Oh, I don't know. Something about beating out a candidate for the G.O.A.T. at his position comes to mind.
 
ObsiWan said:
Perhaps Mallett is the front runner.
I want to see how Hoyer does with the ones before I buy into Mallett as the starter. I can't bring myself to dismiss Hoyer (especially given what they paid him) until I see what he can do in this offense.
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I don't see how either guy's pay will have anything to do with who gets the call as the starter.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't see how either guy's pay will have anything to do with who gets the call as the starter.
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I agree that pay shouldn't be a determining factor.
But I can't help but wonder why they didn't just keep Fitz at $3-something mil instead of signing Hoyer at $5+ something mil IF Mallett is the guy.
 
ObsiWan said:
I agree that pay shouldn't be a determining factor.
But I can't help but wonder why they didn't just keep Fitz at $3-something mil instead of signing Hoyer at $5+ something mil IF Mallett is the guy.
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I don't think anyone is the guy until they go out and do it. I think they want Mallett to be that guy, but until it's a done deal they're willing to pay a bit of a premium for insurance that OB feels better about than the guy he benched last year. Both Mallett and Hoyer are essentially on two one-year deals as it is. Mallett goes out and does it and he'll get paid while Hoyer is ditched for a cheap backup next year. If Mallett can't cut it, then next year is Armageddon as we look at Hoyer/Savage/probably drafted rookie.
 
ObsiWan said:
I agree that pay shouldn't be a determining factor.
But I can't help but wonder why they didn't just keep Fitz at $3-something mil instead of signing Hoyer at $5+ something mil IF Mallett is the guy.
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With Hoyer, they get someone who knows the system, an experienced backup who could step in and run the whole thing better than Fitzpatrick ever did. They only paid Hoyer that money because there was an actual market for his services and someone was bidding against them.

Someone was bidding for Mallett, too, but Mallett wanted to be here and signed a much smaller contract than he could have gotten. (Which doesn't say a lot for his financial intelligence, but I think he knew this was the best spot for him to be successful.)
 
The Pencil Neck said:
With Hoyer, they get someone who knows the system, an experienced backup who could step in and run the whole thing better than Fitzpatrick ever did.
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We hope and that's really all that's there. Hoyer has exactly 0 starts in this system and he hasn't been in it for 3 years. Fitz had 12 starts in it last year.

I don't see the system thing as an advantage between Fitz and Hoyer. But Hoyer has some small slice of hope left of improvement whereas Fitz has none.
 
infantrycak said:
We hope and that's really all that's there. Hoyer has exactly 0 starts in this system and he hasn't been in it for 3 years. Fitz had 12 starts in it last year.

I don't see the system thing as an advantage between Fitz and Hoyer. But Hoyer has some small slice of hope left of improvement whereas Fitz has none.
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Hoyer may have 0 starts in the system, but he was in the system for several years before they drafted Mallett. I don't expect it to take him long to get back up-to-date with their modifications to it, and because of the time he spent studying Brady running it, I expect him to be able to understand the nuances of it better than Fitzy ever did.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Hoyer may have 0 starts in the system, but he was in the system for several years before they drafted Mallett. I don't expect it to take him long to get back up-to-date with their modifications to it, and because of the time he spent studying Brady running it, I expect him to be able to understand the nuances of it better than Fitzy ever did.
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I agree with 'cak... Hoyer's experience in "the system" is theoretical where Fitzpatrick's is practical.

& Hoyer is three years & several bad habits (I'm sure) removed.

It's possible OB couldn't get Fitzpatrick to loosen up, didn't think he could get him to perform at or near that 6 TD game again.
 
speedfreek said:
I really want to believe that Mallett has some hidden superstar talent just waiting to
pop out. However, I just don't see how a team like the Patriots would have missed
that. Seems like they know what they're doing in terms of turning their roster over.

Either way, he is certainly a more promising option that Savage or Hoyer.

Just the thought of Hoyer leading this team gives me a migraine
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the patriots simply wanted a cheaper backup, so they drafted garrapolo. garrapolo looked good in preseason, so mallett was let go.
 
brg88tx said:
the patriots simply wanted a cheaper backup, so they drafted garrapolo. garrapolo looked good in preseason, so mallett was let go.
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I think it's pretty obvious now that Mallet had no intention of signing any long term deal without auditioning for Free Agency first.

Patriots knew that before the draft which is why they drafted Garapolo to begin with.

We wanted Mallett, sure. But we weren't going to give up much without a long term deal in place.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with 'cak... Hoyer's experience in "the system" is theoretical where Fitzpatrick's is practical.

& Hoyer is three years & several bad habits (I'm sure) removed.

It's possible OB couldn't get Fitzpatrick to loosen up, didn't think he could get him to perform at or near that 6 TD game again.
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When we last saw Fitzpatrick, his shin had snapped like a twig... I don't think the team was excited to depend on Fitzpatrick being 100% when Mallett was also returning from a significant injury. I do think Hoyer's grasp of the system may be ahead of Fitzaptrick's despite the lack of starts. After all, that is the scenario we witnessed in week 12 when Mallett made his first start- replacing Fitz who had 10 starts under his belt + the preseason.
 
Playoffs said:
Brett does another Mallett video, worth a watch...

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To this point, this video offers the most important data on our QB situation. We only have one game of valid evidence for assessing our potential starter, so it needs to be analyzed closely. And there's enough there to tell you that Mallet is a moderate risk, high upside candidate. He has the academic part of the job mastered, now he just needs the experience. If you then hedge your bet with a second candidate with the same academic knowledge, plus starting experience, but a little less upside, you're in a decent situation for a team that had no long term answer one season ago.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's pretty obvious now that Mallet had no intention of signing any long term deal without auditioning for Free Agency first.

Patriots knew that before the draft which is why they drafted Garapolo to begin with.
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Mallett flat out said to the press before the 2013 season that he would not re-sign with the Pats and would be looking for a team with a potential starting gig.
 
I find it interesting that last season Brady averaged a 2.27 second pass release. Manning timed at 2.3 seconds. In the Browns game, according to ProFootballFocus, Mallet timed out at an average of 2.06 seconds.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I find it interesting that last season Brady averaged a 2.27 second pass release. Manning timed at 2.3 seconds. In the Browns game, according to ProFootballFocus, Mallet timed out at an average of 2.06 seconds.
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Granted 30 attempts is a small sample size compared to an entire season, but at 7.02 YPA he was in company with Brady, Stafford, Dalton and Kaepernick. Most elites are in the 7.2-7.8 range. He wasn't getting that quick timing by checking down quickly to the backs. Interesting to see how that plays out over the season (assuming he is the starter).
 
infantrycak said:
To reinforce this, he had zero passes to backs.
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yeah I saw that in the game log but didn't want to data vomit. It also included a 2-yard TD to JJ. Trying to look through the data and it appears he had 4 pass attempts in the first half alone that were 20+ yards. There was a lot of Blue in that game. Too much Blue. IMHO the ball control ground game didn't protect Mallett from anything. He was prepared. It actually hindered him from having a much better game.

Unless OB has his mind already made up with Hoyer and doing this competition as a dog and pony show, this is going to be an interesting camp and pre-season with Mallett being able to showcase his talents.
 
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 2 hours ago
Mentioned this offseason that O'Brien wants Hoyer to win the starting job. As @kimydavis said yesterday, "Hard Knocks" makes that difficult.
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
W/ the cameras most likely showing the QB comp up in practice & more, it'll be difficult for OB to name Hoyer over Mallett, IMO w/o scrutiny
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
Last year, yes. This year, Hoyer was his guy. RT @michaelschwab13 I thought BOB was the one pushing for Mallett to begin with?
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
"Political". Fans not ready to believe the arrogance of decisions not football based RT @michaelschwab13 Does he see something we dont…?
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
Plan B & Rick likes him but OB has final say over 53 & will appoint starter RT @RGBIII if that's the case then why bring Mallett back?
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:mcnugget:
 
infantrycak said:
I may pull out a soap avatar if Hoyer is named starter.
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Is this based solely on his time with the Browns? Brady might not be able to win with the Browns, don't you think he deserves a chance to earn the skepticism based on his performance here?
 
infantrycak said:
I may pull out a soap avatar if Hoyer is named starter.
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Yup! Let's hope it's "the scheme" that makes the QB successful. Not the QB making the scheme successful. Certain QBs are better in one scheme than another? Kubiak's offense made mediocre QBs look good, so who knows? I don't. All we have is the amount of suckage we've seen from them in the past

All we can do is hope. Our defense should be damn good, so that makes me happy, at least
 
JB said:
Is this based solely on his time with the Browns? Brady might not be able to win with the Browns, don't you think he deserves a chance to earn the skepticism based on his performance here?
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Does he deserve the starting job just because Brady could not have won with the Browns either?

He doesn't have any performance here. That is what the open competition in camp/pre-season was supposed to be about.

But if OB already has his mind made up...
 
sandman said:
Does he deserve the starting job just because Brady could not have won with the Browns either?

He doesn't have any performance here. That is what the open competition in camp/pre-season was supposed to be about.

But if OB already has his mind made up...
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Did anyone say he deserves the starting job? And yeah exactly the point, let him compete and see how he does here before you declare that you need soap before competition starts. And I'm not buying that OB has his mind made up, wanting someone to win is not the same as already won even if it's true what Braddock thinks
 
paycheck71 said:
This doesn't make any sense. What is he basing this on? It's "political" for the sake of what? OB doesn't want to win? I'm having a hard time finding any logic in any of these messages.
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Well, that's a relief. I wasn't finding any logic in them either.

I also don't quite understand why everyone has concluded that the quarterback competition is going to be a mockery.
 
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