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Trimming the Fat - 2015 FA's & Cap Casualties

thunderkyss said:
But Aj has more catches than both of them.


& before you start yaking about YPC & TDs, the argument right now is that AJ doesn't get open. Then you're saying that Hop & Demaris get open.

& I do believe better ball placement to allow for a little YAC would help Andre's numbers. Take away that 76 yard catch & run, I wonder what Hopkins ypc would look like.
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You are missing the point. Nobody is criticizing AJ... Not even his ability to make plays. However, you can't build an effective team under the salary cap and pay a WR who no longer forces coverage to roll to his side 13 percent of the entire cap. At that price, he needs to not only make plays, but have an effect on how the defense schemes. AJ does not have the explosiveness to do that anymore.
 
steelbtexan said:
AJ is H-Town. Fan icon

No way McNair cuts/trades AJ. Regardless of the cap/$$$$.

Good orgs let go of their star players at the end of their careers. See: Montana/Rice.
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I didn't ask you about the wisdom of cutting AJ. You made the assertion McNair would keep him to make money and that's tripe.

Montana and Rice are horrible examples. The Niners miscalculated both were done prematurely. Emmitt would be a much better example.
 
AJ is not going anywhere. Why you ask?

Ready for the answer?
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Somehow Tom Brady is a Texan next year. BOOK IT!
 
dalemurphy said:
You are missing the point. Nobody is criticizing AJ... Not even his ability to make plays. However, you can't build an effective team under the salary cap and pay a WR who no longer forces coverage to roll to his side 13 percent of the entire cap. At that price, he needs to not only make plays, but have an effect on how the defense schemes. AJ does not have the explosiveness to do that anymore.
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AJ is a Hall of Fame caliber force out there on the field. In order to be explosive, the QB needs to light the opportunity fuse. Fitz has developed a good chemistry with Hopkins - there is no doubt there. He misfires quite a bit on reads to AJ, Graham, Johnson, etc. I know O'Brien has attributed lack of involvement of the TEs in the offense to game planning. That doesn't excuse only 3 receptions by the TEs against a Steelers team that has been susceptible to good games by opposing TEs.

This offense is limited with Fitz at QB. Get a QB under center with better field vision/reaction time and watch Johnson go.
 
TexansThunder said:
AJ is a Hall of Fame caliber force out there on the field. In order to be explosive, the QB needs to light the opportunity fuse. Fitz has developed a good chemistry with Hopkins - there is no doubt there. He misfires quite a bit on reads to AJ, Graham, Johnson, etc. I know O'Brien has attributed lack of involvement of the TEs in the offense to game planning. That doesn't excuse only 3 receptions by the TEs against a Steelers team that has been susceptible to good games by opposing TEs.

This offense is limited with Fitz at QB. Get a QB under center with better field vision/reaction time and watch Johnson go.
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Even if he wasn't saddled by his huge cap number, I think we'd have trouble
fetching a 4th round pick for Andre now based on his effort today. Just a shell of the player he once was.
 
Cap savings if #80 is cut: $8.825m. Sad to say , but I think its possible.

Cap savings if JJ0 is cut: $8.5m. I'm beginning to think this is probable.

Hard to see Cushing being cut as it would cost more to cut him in dead money ($10.2m) than to keep him ($8.25m)see if he recovers. Probably a 2016 cut if he doesn't improve significantly in that time period. The net savings in 2016 is $2.05m.

Don't see Foster getting cut even if he misses a couple more games. If he doesn't produce on a similar level next season , he too could be a 2016 casualty.
 
Marshall said:
I disagree. So is that enough for you? Or does this constitute an attack on you which requires an assault on my character?

I'm not saying it will. I'm asking the question because many think any disagreement with an opinion requires an assault. It really doesn't.
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I don't consider your pious and pompous response an assault.
 
Part of AJ's holdout imo was b/c he was worried about this new regime letting him go. He tried to strike 1st and force a trade so that he could get his money already scheduled and on the books for the next couple of years. The only reason he came back into camp was b/c Mcnair stepped in a probably guaranteed that he'll get his money and he's not going anywhere. So count on him being here until his contract runs out.

As far as the thread title is concerned....

We need to move on from Rick Smith..draft history in the 2nd and 3rd rounds over the last couple of years has absolutely killed this team.

JJ needs to restructure or be gone..
Cush needs to restructure or be gone
Brown needs to restructure or be gone.
Fitz needs to be gone next year if for no other reason so i can read other threads about how (insert qb name here) sucks.
Keyshawn martin needs to just be gone...he's adding very little to ST and is virtually a zero as a WR.
Posey needs to be gone...sick of wondering why this guy isn't getting on the field.
Graham needs to be cut..he's trash
Reed...can't rush the passer, can't stay healthy and is barely adequate as the Sam...go ahead and cut him.

Those are the only obvious ones to me.
 
Mr teX said:
As far as the thread title is concerned....

We need to move on from Rick Smith..draft history in the 2nd and 3rd rounds over the last couple of years has absolutely killed this team.

JJ needs to restructure or be gone..
Cush needs to restructure or be gone
Brown needs to restructure or be gone.
Fitz needs to be gone next year if for no other reason so i can read other threads about how (insert qb name here) sucks.
Keyshawn martin needs to just be gone...he's adding very little to ST and is virtually a zero as a WR.
Posey needs to be gone...sick of wondering why this guy isn't getting on the field.
Graham needs to be cut..he's trash
Reed...can't rush the passer, can't stay healthy and is barely adequate as the Sam...go ahead and cut him.

Those are the only obvious ones to me.
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Watt just got his deal and you want him to restructure?
In what way?
 
ObsiWan said:
The point of this thread is to outline what you would do if you had Rick Smith's job.
So let's hear it.

If I were GM I would

restructure J-Jo's contract to lessen the cap hit and re-sign KJ unless he wants insane money
restructure Cushings contract to be more performance based. He has to play all three downs to earn big bucks.
Cut Fitz, start Mallett. Now that's really an O'Brien decision so he and I would have a long conversation about why we're carrying someone he doesn't want to start. If O'Brien convinces me Mallett is the future then Fitz is gone. If he's not then Mallett is gone.
I'm giving Ryan Pickett a year extension to let him help groom Nix and Powell
And I'm on the prowl for ILBs - for Cushing insurance - and CBs with speed in case KJ finds someone willing to pay him big bank.
oh and I'm scouting for a Foster replacement unit. Even if Blue becomes the starter in 16 when Foster's deal is up, Blue will need a backup.

thoughts?
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^^^^
This

Except I would cut both AJ and Cushing and use the savings to find speed at the WR/LB/DB's position. This team needs to add speed in the worst way. If watching Hal get burned deep repeatedly by Maclin nothing will. Unfortunately adding team speed will have to come at the cost of AJ/Cushing, or Smith will not be able to add team speed.

I just hope that McNair only promised AJ a community relations job after he's done playing and didn't promise AJ that he would let him retire a Texan after the 2 yrs on his contract.
 
IDEXAN said:
Olajuwon ?
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Yep

The Rockets were smart and moved Olajuwon for a 1st rd pick at the end of his career. Another reason the Rockets are the best run franchise in the city.

To think Rocket fans were complaining about Morey trading away players like they were assets.
 
steelbtexan said:
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this

except i would cut both aj and cushing and use the savings to find speed at the wr/lb/db's position. this team needs to add speed in the worst way. if watching hal get burned deep repeatedly by maclin nothing will. Unfortunately adding team speed will have to come at the cost of aj/cushing, or smith will not be able to add team speed.

I just hope that mcnair only promised aj a community relations job after he's done playing and didn't promise aj that he would let him retire a texan after the 2 yrs on his contract.
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this
 
DX-TEX said:
AJ is not going anywhere. Why you ask?

Ready for the answer?
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Somehow Tom Brady is a Texan next year. BOOK IT!
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Last I checked, Brady's contract will cause a negative effect to New England's salary cap if they traded Brady. To have any kind of positive gain would be a Post June 1 release; and Houston signing Brady to a new contract.
 
Mr teX said:
Part of AJ's holdout imo was b/c he was worried about this new regime letting him go. He tried to strike 1st and force a trade so that he could get his money already scheduled and on the books for the next couple of years. The only reason he came back into camp was b/c Mcnair stepped in a probably guaranteed that he'll get his money and he's not going anywhere. So count on him being here until his contract runs out.

As far as the thread title is concerned....

We need to move on from Rick Smith..draft history in the 2nd and 3rd rounds over the last couple of years has absolutely killed this team.

JJ needs to restructure or be gone..
Cush needs to restructure or be gone
Brown needs to restructure or be gone.
Fitz needs to be gone next year if for no other reason so i can read other threads about how (insert qb name here) sucks.
Keyshawn martin needs to just be gone...he's adding very little to ST and is virtually a zero as a WR.
Posey needs to be gone...sick of wondering why this guy isn't getting on the field.
Graham needs to be cut..he's trash
Reed...can't rush the passer, can't stay healthy and is barely adequate as the Sam...go ahead and cut him.

Those are the only obvious ones to me.
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Brown's cap figure for the next 4 seasons has him either #7 or #8 among all Left Tackles. I think Brown's contract as is is very reasonable for his performance.
 
steelbtexan said:
^^^^
This

Except I would cut both AJ and Cushing and use the savings to find speed at the WR/LB/DB's position. This team needs to add speed in the worst way. If watching Hal get burned deep repeatedly by Maclin nothing will. Unfortunately adding team speed will have to come at the cost of AJ/Cushing, or Smith will not be able to add team speed.

I just hope that McNair only promised AJ a community relations job after he's done playing and didn't promise AJ that he would let him retire a Texan after the 2 yrs on his contract.
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Releasing both Cushing & Johnson after this season would net ~$6m in additional cap space for 2015; while incurring a total of ~$17.5m in dead money in 2015 (without using a June 1 designation). If the team was really ready to move on from these two players; this would really clear up the books for 2016.

But the question would be could you find their replacements with $6 million in the short term?
 
Troy Chapman said:
Last I checked, Brady's contract will cause a negative effect to New England's salary cap if they traded Brady. To have any kind of positive gain would be a Post June 1 release; and Houston signing Brady to a new contract.
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Totally theoretical as it isn't going to happen, but why would Houston need to sign him to a new contract? The one he has is very team friendly - the Texans would have him for 3 years at 7-9 mil.

If the Pats were to do it, it isn't prohibitive after this season. It's a net of $5 mil in lost cap space which could be divided through June 1st. We took a much bigger hit on Schaub.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Releasing both Cushing & Johnson after this season would net ~$6m in additional cap space for 2015; while incurring a total of ~$17.5m in dead money in 2015 (without using a June 1 designation). If the team was really ready to move on from these two players; this would really clear up the books for 2016.

But the question would be could you find their replacements with $6 million in the short term?
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Johnson is still good enough that I don't think we can upgrade him without spending more money than we save by cutting him. Cushing can be upgraded by an early draft pick. Sad as it is to say, but Cushing has looked done this year. He has lost almost all mobility and has been hesitant when attacking as if fearing another injury.
 
Yeah the most disturbing thing on the field is how very slow we are. We have to be one of the slowest teams in the NFL. I know speed isn't everything, but goddamn it helps.
 
infantrycak said:
Totally theoretical as it isn't going to happen, but why would Houston need to sign him to a new contract? The one he has is very team friendly - the Texans would have him for 3 years at 7-9 mil.

If the Pats were to do it, it isn't prohibitive after this season. It's a net of $5 mil in lost cap space which could be divided through June 1st. We took a much bigger hit on Schaub.
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Does the June 1 designation work in trade situations? I was looking at it from a release by NE rather than a trade. I would love to get his contract on a trade; NE has to take a lot of dead money on to do it.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Does the June 1 designation work in trade situations? I was looking at it from a release by NE rather than a trade. I would love to get his contract on a trade; NE has to take a lot of dead money on to do it.
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No June 1st wouldn't work with a trade. It would be worth some picks just to get that contract instead of having to go on the open market. All pipe dream of course.
 
infantrycak said:
No June 1st wouldn't work with a trade. It would be worth some picks just to get that contract instead of having to go on the open market. All pipe dream of course.
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Just confirmed with Joel Corry, that a trade after June 1 would split the dead money (just like a post June 1 release). So in theory NE could do this.

But yes, just a pipe dream anyway.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Just confirmed with Joel Corry, that a trade after June 1 would split the dead money (just like a post June 1 release). So in theory NE could do this.

But yes, just a pipe dream anyway.
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Interesting, thx. It seems to universally be called the June 1st cut rule so good to learn.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep

The Rockets were smart and moved Olajuwon for a 1st rd pick at the end of his career. Another reason the Rockets are the best run franchise in the city.

To think Rocket fans were complaining about Morey trading away players like they were assets.
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yep and I quickly made fans forget Dream signed Bostjan Nachbar.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Releasing both Cushing & Johnson after this season would net ~$6m in additional cap space for 2015; while incurring a total of ~$17.5m in dead money in 2015 (without using a June 1 designation). If the team was really ready to move on from these two players; this would really clear up the books for 2016.

But the question would be could you find their replacements with $6 million in the short term?
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Please clarify your numbers, cut pre June 1 2015 per OTC as follows:

AJ Dead money $7.319583 Cushing $ 13.592500 Total $20.912083
Cap savings $8.25 5.545 Total $14.37

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/houston-texans/
 
AJ will retire a Texan. That conversation should be over.

Of the list of FA I would be interested in seeing what Kendrick Lewis would cost for another two year deal. Depending on how Mallett does maybe sign him to a three to five year deal if it looks like he can be our starter. The rest of them can go unless they want to stay real cheap.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Releasing both Cushing & Johnson after this season would net ~$6m in additional cap space for 2015; while incurring a total of ~$17.5m in dead money in 2015 (without using a June 1 designation). If the team was really ready to move on from these two players; this would really clear up the books for 2016.

But the question would be could you find their replacements with $6 million in the short term?
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With the expected 2015 cap increased you can find a Darryl Smith vet type LB in FA and have $$$$ left over to add a speedy Brandon Loyd type vet WR and be in great cap shape in 2016. Would the McNair's/Smith ever make a bold move like this? Never, these types of moves are what makes the Texans the Texans and the Pats the Pats. See: Mankins/Seymour/Moss.
 
IDEXAN said:
2015 FA's:--------------------AGE---EXP

Kareem Jackson--CB---UFA---26--4
Danieal Manning --S---UFA----32--8
Brooks Reed-----OLB---UFA---27--3
Derek Newton---RT--- UFA---27--3
Tim Jamison----DE--- UFA---28--5
Ryan Mallett-----QB---UFA---26--3
Akeem Dent-----ILB---UFA---27--3
Jerrell Powe-----DT--- UFA---27--3
Jeff Tarpinian---OLB---RFA---27--3
Kendrick Lewis----S---UFA---28--4
Damaris Johnson-WR---RFA---24--2
Cody White -------C----RFA---26--2
Ricky Sapp ------OLB---UFA---27 --3
Eddie Pleasant ----S---ERFA---25 --2
Ryan Pickett ------DT---UFA----35--13
John Simon ------OLB---ERFA---24--1
Zac Diles ---------ILB---UFA----29--7
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If that is the complete list of players becoming eligible for free agency this offseason, I think we are in good shape. I think the only really key guys would be K.Jackson and D.Newton, but don't know how much they will cost since capable CBs & OTs are always in high demand. I really don't know anything about Mallet and sure have no idea what BoB/Texans think of him.
Now several guys with big cap numbers and still to be under contract like D.Brown & J.Joseph are valuable, so there's also uncertainty, challenges there.
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I would start with Pickett myself. I know he's older, but he has performed well in his role and can probably be signed at a reasonable price.

I do not expect to see Jackson back. He has come into his own, but the fans have burned any bridge of desire to remain with the Texans with their relentless criticism in his first few years and there is little left of the coaches that stuck with him. Maximizing his value probably means a fresh start somewhere else.

Between Lewis and Manning, I think I'd rather have Lewis at this point. But he may get an offer we will choose not to match.

The others are somewhat fungible. Only a year in BOB's system would give them a slight edge.

The exception is Mallett who might or might not be in the future plans after this year.
 
most of these players are price related, i wouldn't offer money that would stick past camp. the one exception i'd make is kareem jackson. if i were a GM i wouldn't allow a solid corner to get away. jackson wont get #1 money anywhere. he'll get #2 money across the league, and i'd pay him that before someone else does.

manning has tested the market and knows he doesn't have value at his age and position, i'd give him enough to stay. pickett is another that wont command much but i'd make it worth his while to stay - guys with his width are just too hard to find. newton will probably need to be paid simply because we're so thin on the line we cant lose anyone and dont have the scheme/coaching to create the next star from nothing, but a RT needs to be draft/FA priority (again). jamison will probably return at the minimum and is someone for the end of the 53 or a camp casualty.

the rest should be offered lowest salaries. returns are great, those that dont arent really a loss because if we want to get better they'd lose their jobs in camp.
 
Marshall said:
I do not expect to see Jackson back. He has come into his own, but the fans have burned any bridge of desire to remain with the Texans with their relentless criticism in his first few years and there is little left of the coaches that stuck with him. Maximizing his value probably means a fresh start somewhere else.
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I don't expect to see him back either, but seriously? The fans? Nobody gives a sht about what the fans want or done (save showing up on your front door harassing kids & spouses).

His teammates & what they say will have a lot more influence on his decision than anything we say or do.

But he'll probably be the best corner on the market... may not have the best reputation, but true talent evaluators will know what he is & they'll offer more than what his true value is. The Texans should make him a fair offer, but he'll have to decide if he'll take it, or if he'll take that inflated offer.... hopefully OB will have convinced him we're on the verge & that we give him a better opportunity to win than the next club.
 
badboy said:
Please clarify your numbers, cut pre June 1 2015 per OTC as follows:

AJ Dead money $7.319583 Cushing $ 13.592500 Total $20.912083
Cap savings $8.25 5.545 Total $14.37

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/houston-texans/
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Cushing's 2015 cap savings is in parenthesis; meaning negative. So that's why your totals are off here if using OTC's calculator.

But there are different sources of info, Spotrac has completely different numbers that Jason does at OTC. Jason (OTC) has adjusted Cushing's pro-rated bonus numbers (I am not sure why), but Jason has combined his pro-rated signing bonus & option bonus into one column. Jason is also accounting for Cushing's roster bonus, which is paid on a per game active status (Cushing's 2014 cap number drops $78.125 per game he is not active). That kind of roster bonus money is not counted as dead money since it is not paid up front.

My interpretation of the numbers are as follows, provided a pre-June 1 cut after the 2014 season:

Cushing: $8.0m projected cap hit (no roster bonus since he isn't on the team) but only $10.2m in dead money....a negative hit of $2.2m.

Andre: $15.1m projected cap hit (no roster bonus since he isn't on the team) but only $7.3m in dead money....a positive gain of $7.8m.

So it's $5.6m gain in projected cap space, my initial post said ~$6m as I was just ball parking it.


Jason (OTC) accounts for upcoming roster bonus money, you need to factor that based on how it is paid; offseason roster bonus (like AJ) or a per game roster bonus (like Cushing).

Hope this clarifies my thinking on this. If I am mistaken, I am open to other explanations.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't expect to see him back either, but seriously? The fans? Nobody gives a sht about what the fans want or done (save showing up on your front door harassing kids & spouses).

His teammates & what they say will have a lot more influence on his decision than anything we say or do.

But he'll probably be the best corner on the market... may not have the best reputation, but true talent evaluators will know what he is & they'll offer more than what his true value is. The Texans should make him a fair offer, but he'll have to decide if he'll take it, or if he'll take that inflated offer.... hopefully OB will have convinced him we're on the verge & that we give him a better opportunity to win than the next club.
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I truly hope we can resign Jackson. The projected free agent list for CB this coming off season is pretty slim. Maybe 3-4 other players worth pursuing as a possible starter replacement for Jackson. Depending on how Bouye & Morris improve the remainder of this season; I would be open to releasing Joseph and taking that money to Jackson. Run with Jackson, Bouye, and Morris as your Top 3.
 
Troy Chapman said:
I truly hope we can resign Jackson. The projected free agent list for CB this coming off season is pretty slim. Maybe 3-4 other players worth pursuing as a possible starter replacement for Jackson. Depending on how Bouye & Morris improve the remainder of this season; I would be open to releasing Joseph and taking that money to Jackson. Run with Jackson, Bouye, and Morris as your Top 3.
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I could sign up to this if we couldn't talk Joseph into a restructuring or a flat out pay cut. Trouble is, now we're hurting for depth. Gotta carry at least 6 CBs now days... maybe 7.
 
ObsiWan said:
I could sign up to this if we couldn't talk Joseph into a restructuring or a flat out pay cut. Trouble is, now we're hurting for depth. Gotta carry at least 6 CBs now days... maybe 7.
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Reduction is pay probably unlikely. But I agree with you I would also be open to a restructure that is basically an extension to lower his salary cap hits. Multiple ways to do that luckily.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't expect to see him back either, but seriously? The fans? Nobody gives a sht about what the fans want or done (save showing up on your front door harassing kids & spouses).

His teammates & what they say will have a lot more influence on his decision than anything we say or do.

But he'll probably be the best corner on the market... may not have the best reputation, but true talent evaluators will know what he is & they'll offer more than what his true value is. The Texans should make him a fair offer, but he'll have to decide if he'll take it, or if he'll take that inflated offer.... hopefully OB will have convinced him we're on the verge & that we give him a better opportunity to win than the next club.
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KJ's situation sort of reminds me of Dunta Robinson sans the shoe thing. I think Texans could use the "We want you but we have Morris" plus some good corners in draft. My return if KJ's agent "why should he play here?"

I also believe Houston will follow historical pattern of signing ILBs and at least one OT in free agency.
 
PapaL said:
And he's not injured.
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Good point.

badboy said:
Yep but did not mention as I think all know that, but if he leaves I hope he plays as average as DR did in Atlanta.
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Yeah, I guess the shoe thing is something few remember.

Other than they are both starting CBs, I'm just not seeing the similarity.

Strong start, weak finish v. weak start, strong finish to rookie contract.
Injured v. not injured.
Shoe v. no shoe.
Giant ego v. no notable ego.
Believes himself top 5 CB v. no indication of such evaluation.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Cushing's 2015 cap savings is in parenthesis; meaning negative. So that's why your totals are off here if using OTC's calculator.

But there are different sources of info, Spotrac has completely different numbers that Jason does at OTC. Jason (OTC) has adjusted Cushing's pro-rated bonus numbers (I am not sure why), but Jason has combined his pro-rated signing bonus & option bonus into one column. Jason is also accounting for Cushing's roster bonus, which is paid on a per game active status (Cushing's 2014 cap number drops $78.125 per game he is not active). That kind of roster bonus money is not counted as dead money since it is not paid up front.

My interpretation of the numbers are as follows, provided a pre-June 1 cut after the 2014 season:

Cushing: $8.0m projected cap hit (no roster bonus since he isn't on the team) but only $10.2m in dead money....a negative hit of $2.2m.

Andre: $15.1m projected cap hit (no roster bonus since he isn't on the team) but only $7.3m in dead money....a positive gain of $7.8m.

So it's $5.6m gain in projected cap space, my initial post said ~$6m as I was just ball parking it.


Jason (OTC) accounts for upcoming roster bonus money, you need to factor that based on how it is paid; offseason roster bonus (like AJ) or a per game roster bonus (like Cushing).

Hope this clarifies my thinking on this. If I am mistaken, I am open to other explanations.
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thanks always interested in takes. OTC and Spotrac are two I use as Roto seems to copy others. Off MB, I've seen comments that Spotrac is not as accurate as OTC but I still refer to them. As of today, I think both are on roster 2015.
 
badboy said:
thanks always interested in takes. OTC and Spotrac are two I use as Roto seems to copy others. Off MB, I've seen comments that Spotrac is not as accurate as OTC but I still refer to them. As of today, I think both are on roster 2015.
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I sent Jason a note to see what the difference on Cushing's pro-rated numbers is. Personally I keep my own Google Spreadsheet on the cap for Houston.; and I trust my numbers the most.

Also I think Spotrac & OTC calculate the final salary cap numbers differently; which also contributes how they get their final numbers especially in the offseason with the Top 51 rule. The two sites use information from each other daily as they each have their own sources.

I agree, both AJ & Cushing will be on the roster 2015 at a minimum barring something drastic happening (new GM). If a new GM is brought in then all bets are off.
 
MistaRed said:
How much would it cost if we cut Arian Foster after this year?
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Pre June 1 release: $5m dead money, $4m in savings in 2015.

Post June 1 release: $2.5m dead money in 2015, $2.5m dead money in 2016, $6.5m savings in 2015.

He has some roster bonus money but that is paid on a game by game basis for his contract.
 
I'm trying to figure out how stupid it is to contemplate getting rid of one of the best RBs in the league.

Nope, just doesn't compute and won't happen.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm trying to figure out how stupid it is to contemplate getting rid of one of the best RBs in the league.

Nope, just doesn't compute and won't happen.
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At the beginning of the season, it was on my radar. Now, despite him maybe missing another game....he should be on the roster come 2015. Going with (insert name here) rookie QB & Alfred Blue next year is scary.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm trying to figure out how stupid it is to contemplate getting rid of one of the best RBs in the league.

Nope, just doesn't compute and won't happen.
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Stupid is not contemplating all scenarios; doesn't mean he should/will be cut or traded.
 
badboy said:
Stupid is not contemplating all scenarios;
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No it's not. You don't need to contemplate running your car into a redwood to know it is stupid.

We aren't pulling a Walker trade for him so you can trade down 35 times and we end up with 100 draft picks.
 
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