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Trimming the Fat - 2015 FA's & Cap Casualties

barrett

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As we enter the mid-way point of the 2014 season, many of the questions about a team in transition, have begun to come clear. Obviously there are still many unknowns but after the last three games we are beginning to see some performances that are settling into consistent play. Players are getting comfortable, coaches are getting comfortable and the result of this is that we as fans and film buff's are figuring out what we have going forward.

Injuries can effect this over the course of the second half of the season, so can players going in the tank in a new system, coaches getting in over their heads, et cetera. Assuming that everyone on the Texans team continues playing and coaching as well or better than what we've seen through the first half of the season, what roster changes do you predict Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith making as we look ahead to next year?

This staff has made changes to players that were known commodities and I think that is significant when you consider a players value going forward. Look at Kareem Jackson. Jackson was not highly regarded in his first two seasons. He improved to become an above average outside corner and now, Romeo Crennel has moved him inside to take advantage of his physical play and he has excelled. He's making more plays on the ball and is being used as a blitzer and a key defender in the outside run game.

Kareem is in the last year of his contract. He is playing a more significant role than his counterpart, Jonathan Joseph who has the third highest cap figure according to sportrac.com. Do the Texans make resigning him a priority? Can the Texans afford to make him a priority?

The Texans appear to be upside down on my favorite player, Brian Cushing. Committed money long term (2019) and physically he appears to be a shell of his former self after two significant knee surgeries. There have been plenty of discussions on this board about the significance of his injury. The part that appears the most devastating to my eyes, is that Cush appears to have lost his instincts and his aggression. He's become a two down 'backer, much like DeMeco Ryans after his achilles injury. Two down 'backer's should not be among the highest paid players on the roster, especially if under performing. But how do you compensate for his tenacity as a leader and a core member of the hard-working, football-obsessed player model that the Texans, and championship teams, want more of?

And then there is Andre Johnson. So much intrinsic value is placed on the greatest player to ever suit up in a Houston Texans uniform. Outside of that intrinsic value, there are clear signs of diminished skills as well as focus. 'Dre's not very good against contested catches anymore and his speed is a non factor at this stage of his career. He is a below average blocker. He is still a physical player who has to be respected and is good for a spectacular catch every few games, but there are many physical receivers who can play well inside and are good at catching the ball.

It would be crazy to even consider finding someway to move Andre if it weren't for the tourniquet effect that he has on the Texans salary cap, compared to his productivity.

What about Derrick Newton? The Texans RT might have been someone you let walk but the current coaching staff has renewed interest the young, athletic tackle and there is no one being groomed behind him. He's inconsistent as is much of the Oline this year but when he is on, he looks very good in both the run and passing game.

Many of you will suggest Fitzpatrick, but he's on a two year deal and this offense is complicated at the line of scrimmage. Even with an early round young QB, Fitzpatrick will be expected to lead the team, at least early, in 2015.

What parts of the roster should be considered fat trimming? What about Kendrick Lewis, Ryan Pickett, Brooks Reed and Akeem Dent? These are just a few names that should be up for discussion.

2015 FA's:--------------------AGE---EXP

Kareem Jackson--CB---UFA---26--4
Danieal Manning --S---UFA----32--8
Brooks Reed-----OLB---UFA---27--3
Derek Newton---RT--- UFA---27--3
Tim Jamison----DE--- UFA---28--5
Ryan Mallett-----QB---UFA---26--3
Akeem Dent-----ILB---UFA---27--3
Jerrell Powe-----DT--- UFA---27--3
Jeff Tarpinian---OLB---RFA---27--3
Kendrick Lewis----S---UFA---28--4
Damaris Johnson-WR---RFA---24--2
Cody White -------C----RFA---26--2
Ricky Sapp ------OLB---UFA---27 --3
Eddie Pleasant ----S---ERFA---25 --2
Ryan Pickett ------DT---UFA----35--13
John Simon ------OLB---ERFA---24--1
Zac Diles ---------ILB---UFA----29--7


------------POS AGE EXP. CONTRACT TERMS AVERAGE SALARY GUARANTEED FREE AGENT
J.J. Watt DE 25 3 6 yr $100,005,425 $16,667,571 $51,876,000 2022
Andre Johnson WR 33 11 7 yr $67,800,000 $9,685,714 $20,500,000 2017
Duane Brown LT 29 6 6 yr $53,400,000 $8,900,000 $22,081,500 2019
Brian Cushing ILB 27 5 6 yr $52,500,000 $8,750,000 $21,000,000 2020
Johnathan Joseph CB 30 8 5 yr $48,750,000 $9,750,000 $23,500,000 2016
Arian Foster RB 28 5 5 yr $43,500,000 $8,700,000 $20,750,000 2017
Chris Myers C 33 9 4 yr $25,000,000 $6,250,000 $14,000,000 2016
Jadeveon Clowney OLB 21 4 yr $22,272,998 $5,568,250 $22,272,998 2018
Kareem Jackson CB 26 4 5 yr $13,520,000 $2,704,000 $7,365,000 2015
Garrett Graham TE 28 4 3 yr $11,250,000 $3,750,000 $4,500,000 2017
Whitney Mercilus OLB 24 2 4 yr $7,634,088 $1,908,522 $6,203,084 2016
DeAndre Hopkins WR 22 1 4 yr $7,626,702 $1,906,676 $6,181,697 2017
Ryan Fitzpatrick QB 31 9 2 yr $7,250,000 $3,625,000 $4,000,000 2016
Xavier Su'a-Filo G 23 4 yr $5,551,601 $1,387,900 $3,967,700 2018
Shane Lechler P 38 14 3 yr $5,500,000 $1,833,333 $1,000,000 2016
Brooks Reed OLB 27 3 4 yr $4,701,764 $1,175,441 $2,883,184 2015
D.J. Swearinger S 23 1 4 yr $3,491,301 $872,825 $1,315,628 2017
 
As I have said before, Texans fans should not get attached to any specific player. Over the next two years, I think the roster purge and house cleaning will continue. Bill will churn this roster until he gets this team to exactly where he wants it.
 
2015 FA's:--------------------AGE---EXP

Kareem Jackson--CB---UFA---26--4
Danieal Manning --S---UFA----32--8
Brooks Reed-----OLB---UFA---27--3
Derek Newton---RT--- UFA---27--3
Tim Jamison----DE--- UFA---28--5
Ryan Mallett-----QB---UFA---26--3
Akeem Dent-----ILB---UFA---27--3
Jerrell Powe-----DT--- UFA---27--3
Jeff Tarpinian---OLB---RFA---27--3
Kendrick Lewis----S---UFA---28--4
Damaris Johnson-WR---RFA---24--2
Cody White -------C----RFA---26--2
Ricky Sapp ------OLB---UFA---27 --3
Eddie Pleasant ----S---ERFA---25 --2
Ryan Pickett ------DT---UFA----35--13
John Simon ------OLB---ERFA---24--1
Zac Diles ---------ILB---UFA----29--7
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If that is the complete list of players becoming eligible for free agency this offseason, I think we are in good shape. I think the only really key guys would be K.Jackson and D.Newton, but don't know how much they will cost since capable CBs & OTs are always in high demand. I really don't know anything about Mallet and sure have no idea what BoB/Texans think of him.
Now several guys with big cap numbers and still to be under contract like D.Brown & J.Joseph are valuable, so there's also uncertainty, challenges there.
 
Start with the source of the fat. Even though his salary caught against the cap fire rick smiths inept, ineffective incompetent ass.
 
Start with the source of the fat. Even though his salary caught against the cap fire rick smiths inept, ineffective incompetent ass.
Just a reminder: since the Texans came on the NFL scene, there's been 22 teams besides them which haven't won the SB and certainly more than that # which haven't won it since Rick took over as GM.
 
Just a reminder: since the Texans came on the NFL scene, there's been 22 teams besides them which haven't won the SB and certainly more than that # which haven't won it since Rick took over as GM.


Without Schaub & Kubiak around, there are fans that will continuously need to find a scapegoat.
 
Just a reminder: since the Texans came on the NFL scene, there's been 22 teams besides them which haven't won the SB and certainly more than that # which haven't won it since Rick took over as GM.

Don't start trying to confuse us with facts.
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Sad reality- cutting Andre Johnson saves enough cap room so that we can cut brian cushing... Not something i would have imagined as an option two tears ago... Well, that is the NFL.
 
How would Cushing retiring affect the cap? Would that open space and take us off the hook for the rest of that horrible contract?
 
Scapegoat? The guy is an average at best GM. That's being generous.

I disagree. So is that enough for you? Or does this constitute an attack on you which requires an assault on my character?

I'm not saying it will. I'm asking the question because many think any disagreement with an opinion requires an assault. It really doesn't.
 
Of importance is how much hit we take, for example on Joseph his guarantee has been taken care of and he has only $3.75 m dead $ hit. Numbers like total contract doesn't matter in this scenario. My concern is not his age so much as his injury history + normal age related decrease; as with AJ, we have little behind him. Not sure what you "Barrett" mean saying " but there are many physical receivers who can play well inside and are good at catching the ball. " None are available to Texans and certainly not on this roster.

IMO, Kareem returning is dependent on how much. I do expect another team to offer him mucho dinero. While I can see Joseph being cut and KJ leaving, doubt either happens. On my current mock in "draft forum" I have us taking CB and S first and second rounds which would allow one of these two players to leave or at least preparing for post Joseph in 2015. I would be okay with going into 2015 with Boye, Morris, a first round CB and Hal.

I think Reed is not re-signed & we see a rotation of Merci, Clowney and Simon with either a third day draft pick or a FA added. Cushing is a whole nuther matter as his $9 m upfront + his base this season of $2 m + roster and "option" bonus totals $12.75 m still leaves apprx $8.25 million owed to him. That ain't looking like such a smart deal today & even worse is no one on bench. My concern voiced in another thread is scenario was about same last year and no ILB was drafted.

Following should be brought back reasonably:
Crick, Newton, Simon, Jamison (if wanted)and Pickett. Lewis is a concern. We should be able to use the $1.2 million cutting Clabo to bring in another FA a bit more solid for some position.

Fitz: I have not seen this discussed much but his guarantee was $4 and he got 1.25 signing + 1.75 base + 1 roster so his guarantee is done end of season with dead $ only $625,000. Just saying. I do expect him back unless he gets much worse..cue the boos.

If AJ has a great year he will be back but he is on pace for 1100 yds and lowest full season since 2003 avg 12 per catch which is lowest since 2006 and his two fumbles already doubles his annual number ever; nothing to panic about but still 8 games to go. Argue anyway you want but he is shaky. He is not playing like he wants to be here. Lucky for him, we have absolutely nothing to replace him.
 
If AJ has a great year he will be back but he is on pace for 1100 yds and lowest full season since 2003 avg 12 per catch which is lowest since 2006 and his two fumbles already doubles his annual number ever; nothing to panic about but still 8 games to go. Argue anyway you want but he is shaky. He is not playing like he wants to be here. Lucky for him, we have absolutely nothing to replace him.

BS. He is at the whim of a HC and more particularly a QB who aren't using him. Keenum and Schaub found him, this is part of Fitz ' eternal mediocrity, not taking advantage of the talent available.
 
As much as I hate to say this I think AJ is the most likely cap casualty next off season. Its not a big hit and with his age his production is only going to get worse as the years go on.
 
BS. He is at the whim of a HC and more particularly a QB who aren't using him. Keenum and Schaub found him, this is part of Fitz ' eternal mediocrity, not taking advantage of the talent available.
BS right back at ya good buddy. Hopkins and Morris have gotten open for Fitz. Your blasting of Fitz is ridiculous as OBrien would call deep passes if he thought Johnson would get deep. It is obviously a confidence issue between Fitzpatrick and AJ who might have made it to the team a bit earlier to bond.
 
BS right back at ya good buddy. Hopkins and Morris have gotten open for Fitz. Your blasting of Fitz is ridiculous as OBrien would call deep passes if he thought Johnson would get deep. It is obviously a confidence issue between Fitzpatrick and AJ who might have made it to the team a bit earlier to bond.

You and I are so far apart from draft to resorting to "if then OB would call" arguments it isn't worthwhile. Have a fun offseason trying to trade AJ for more picks for your mock draft and then punching your cat when it doesn't happen.

PS - i do appreciate your individual college player scouting.
 
I like the concept of the op's post but couldn't disagree more with his view points on aj's weaknesses. Can't fight for contested balls or block? Are you kidding me? That's his wheelhouse. I'd focus Instead on getting separation, poor play design, and poorer qb play.

I like Kareem a lot. The problem with trying to assess his value at this point (or anyone else for that matter) is we dont know what he'll be asking for. I wont pay kj top 5 money to keep him. If thats what he wants ------ bye. Top 10-20 and I do it.

It was eluded Fitz is locked in here because the system is to complicated. If that's the case, the system is flawed. I WANT TO KNOW what we have in mallet and savage before next offseason. The nfl is not forgiving enough to wait. You either find out and pull the trigger (short of a playoff run) or you prepare for a successor to Obrien.
 
My frustration level with this organization is at all time high, just so many wasted years, money & time spent supporting an under-performing, well funded, mis-allocated payroll that is constantly disappoints its own, loyal fan base with horrendous meltdowns @ inappropriate times & officially the Colts bitches til end of time. Cannot fully support this team with Rick Smith GM. It starts & ends with him as key loss & cap casualty! :chickendance:
 
Cannot fully support this team with Rick Smith GM. It starts & ends with him as key loss & cap casualty! :chickendance:

I suspect and hope there's some talent on this roster that will emerge before seasons end. I'm not asking for miracles. When we went into the year with fitz as qb I expected a .500 team at best. It's been several years, 2 head coach tenures, and multiple bad contracts. I like Rick Smith by all accounts personally and have been roughly neutral thus far , but show me something. There's a laundry list of squandered 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks comparable to casserly. Find me another Arian foster or it's time to move on.
 
Sad reality- cutting Andre Johnson saves enough cap room so that we can cut brian cushing... Not something i would have imagined as an option two tears ago... Well, that is the NFL.

I'm curious if AJ's future will end up being A: aging gracefully into retirement in a Houston uni at the expense of the organization for the next two years. B: He is traded to a team of his choice who doesn't mind paying a ton of money for a superstar WR. C: He's cut. I wonder if Infantrycak has a valid point that AJ would not be tradable. I know you want him gone no matter what, but I still believe that the organization believes that he is worth the intrinsic value.

Having said that, your theory that saving enough to cut Cushing makes a really interesting point. I would be very impressed if the organization has the confidence to make a move like that. Not many, if any, in the NFL would.


How would Cushing retiring affect the cap? Would that open space and take us off the hook for the rest of that horrible contract?
Also an interesting point! I wonder if a guy like Cush would walk away because he can no longer play at a high level. I doubt it. I think if he can be a 2 down LB and attack the ball, he will want to keep playing. He makes no sense here in Houston in RAC's system if he can't play any better than he has thus far. He will be the most interesting player to watch over the second half of the season.

Of importance is how much hit we take, for example on Joseph his guarantee has been taken care of and he has only $3.75 m dead $ hit. Numbers like total contract doesn't matter in this scenario. My concern is not his age so much as his injury history + normal age related decrease; as with AJ, we have little behind him. Not sure what you "Barrett" mean saying " but there are many physical receivers who can play well inside and are good at catching the ball. " None are available to Texans and certainly not on this roster.

IMO, Kareem returning is dependent on how much. I do expect another team to offer him mucho dinero. While I can see Joseph being cut and KJ leaving, doubt either happens. On my current mock in "draft forum" I have us taking CB and S first and second rounds which would allow one of these two players to leave or at least preparing for post Joseph in 2015. I would be okay with going into 2015 with Boye, Morris, a first round CB and Hal.

I think Reed is not re-signed & we see a rotation of Merci, Clowney and Simon with either a third day draft pick or a FA added. Cushing is a whole nuther matter as his $9 m upfront + his base this season of $2 m + roster and "option" bonus totals $12.75 m still leaves apprx $8.25 million owed to him. That ain't looking like such a smart deal today & even worse is no one on bench. My concern voiced in another thread is scenario was about same last year and no ILB was drafted.

Following should be brought back reasonably:
Crick, Newton, Simon, Jamison (if wanted)and Pickett. Lewis is a concern. We should be able to use the $1.2 million cutting Clabo to bring in another FA a bit more solid for some position.

Fitz: I have not seen this discussed much but his guarantee was $4 and he got 1.25 signing + 1.75 base + 1 roster so his guarantee is done end of season with dead $ only $625,000. Just saying. I do expect him back unless he gets much worse..cue the boos.

If AJ has a great year he will be back but he is on pace for 1100 yds and lowest full season since 2003 avg 12 per catch which is lowest since 2006 and his two fumbles already doubles his annual number ever; nothing to panic about but still 8 games to go. Argue anyway you want but he is shaky. He is not playing like he wants to be here. Lucky for him, we have absolutely nothing to replace him.

All good points. I expect them to keep Joseph for the remaining year as leverage against K Jac for a less than top 10 deal and add a early day draft pick. I do believe that RAC's system and coaching has shown that young corners can play well early, including the ones currently on the roster.

In reference to your question about my statements about AJ. I simply meant that the team can find a big physical receiver who can catch well with below average speed for a fraction of AJ's deal and achieve the same production, minus the intrinsics, obviously.

You and I are so far apart from draft to resorting to "if then OB would call" arguments it isn't worthwhile. Have a fun offseason trying to trade AJ for more picks for your mock draft and then punching your cat when it doesn't happen.

PS - i do appreciate your individual college player scouting.

What do you think AJ's trade value actually is?

I like the concept of the op's post but couldn't disagree more with his view points on aj's weaknesses. Can't fight for contested balls or block? Are you kidding me? That's his wheelhouse. I'd focus Instead on getting separation, poor play design, and poorer qb play.

I like Kareem a lot. The problem with trying to assess his value at this point (or anyone else for that matter) is we dont know what he'll be asking for. I wont pay kj top 5 money to keep him. If thats what he wants ------ bye. Top 10-20 and I do it.

It was eluded Fitz is locked in here because the system is to complicated. If that's the case, the system is flawed. I WANT TO KNOW what we have in mallet and savage before next offseason. The nfl is not forgiving enough to wait. You either find out and pull the trigger (short of a playoff run) or you prepare for a successor to Obrien.

Thank you for the compliments. I'm going to respectfully tell you that you are wrong in regards to your opinion about Andre Johnson. As I mentioned, he is still good for a spectacular catch from time to time (endzone catch vs the Colts, sideline catch last week coming back to the ball), but more consistently, when contested he will not.

Also, I think that Fitz would be locked in here because the system requires a smart accurate passer who can make the correct reads at the line of scrimmage. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best option out of the three quarterbacks on the roster. (No he's not nearly as accurate as Matt Schaub, but I'm sure many of you are okay with that.) You can tell that he's the best option because he lines up under center on Sunday's.

O'Brien's offense is designed to be run "through the quarterback's eyes". All week long the quarterbacks practice and the coaches coach them. If one of the other two quarterbacks on the roster were outperforming Fitzpatrick, you would see them start under center on Sunday. Just because the system is complicated doesn't mean it's a flawed. It means that it limits the possible candidates that can run it, not necessarily how effective it can be.

I suspect and hope there's some talent on this roster that will emerge before seasons end. I'm not asking for miracles. When we went into the year with fitz as qb I expected a .500 team at best. It's been several years, 2 head coach tenures, and multiple bad contracts. I like Rick Smith by all accounts personally and have been roughly neutral thus far , but show me something. There's a laundry list of squandered 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks comparable to casserly. Find me another Arian foster or it's time to move on.

Keep in mind, Rick Smith found you one of the best, complete, game changing, running backs in all of football and he didn't use a draft pick to get him. He was smart enough to offer him a two year UDFA deal to ensure he would chose Houston. (Remember, Foster had his choice of teams.) He found you one of the best, complete, left tackles, after 6 other tackles were taken by GM's you'd probably question just as much. He also found you one of the best, complete, game changing, defensive linemen in the history of the game. (I can tell you as someone who walked out of Reliant with the seat that I shattered when J.J. intercepted Dalton leading to our first home playoff win in franchise history, he was a good pick, for me, personally!)

But you're right... what has he done for you lately?
 
You and I are so far apart from draft to resorting to "if then OB would call" arguments it isn't worthwhile. Have a fun offseason trying to trade AJ for more picks for your mock draft and then punching your cat when it doesn't happen.

PS - i do appreciate your individual college player scouting.
As we have said before, you and I are closer than observers would think. We both get frustrated at things, just voice different options.
 
As we have said before, you and I are closer than observers would think. We both get frustrated at things, just voice different options.

I know that. To outside observers it would look like RZ and I have nothing in common in the NSZ but really we are fighting about 5%. Have a good one, but plan on AJ being on the team next season.
 
I know that. To outside observers it would look like RZ and I have nothing in common in the NSZ but really we are fighting about 5%. Have a good one, but plan on AJ being on the team next season.
agree 1000 % and a 1100 yard season is still nothing to sneeze at. More importantly, I believe McNair wants him here and not much behind him.
 
My understanding is that Hopkins is getting single coverage, which is why Fitz goes to him as much as he has. He gets single coverage because AJ is still getting double coverage. When AJ starts drawing more single coverage, Fitz will start going to him more. This is OB's system and when Fitz makes his read, his primary receiver will be the one drawing the single coverage. Although there's been numerous times Fitz has tried to force the ball to AJ when he's in double coverage; usually an incompletion.
 
My understanding is that Hopkins is getting single coverage, which is why Fitz goes to him as much as he has. He gets single coverage because AJ is still getting double coverage. When AJ starts drawing more single coverage, Fitz will start going to him more. This is OB's system and when Fitz makes his read, his primary receiver will be the one drawing the single coverage. Although there's been numerous times Fitz has tried to force the ball to AJ when he's in double coverage; usually an incompletion.
Perhaps the double coverage is easier closer to line of scrimmage. I want to see AJ go deep and then fight for the ball as he used to. I think he can still win most of those. For at least three years I have been yelling to stop throwing to AJ at or behind LOS. He can be successful but that can get him clobbered.
 
I agree; but Fitz needs more time for the routes to develop. The sacks are beginning to build up - admittedly some on him - but it's the pressures he's getting. Everyone here knows our pass blocking is not all that good.

The receivers, the QB, the OLine - all must be in tune. OB, every week, says something about this.

But I'm with you. I want to see AJ on the deeper routes with single coverage. But please, not Fitz throwing the ball up into double coverage, with his arm.
 
BS. He is at the whim of a HC and more particularly a QB who aren't using him. Keenum and Schaub found him, this is part of Fitz ' eternal mediocrity, not taking advantage of the talent available.
while researching the data associated with Toxic Differential, I saw that 26 of our 34 "explosive plays" (20+ yds) came from the passing game. Of those 26, AJ leads all receivers with 10. Hopkins is right on his tail with 9. No other receiver has more than 2. It sure as hell doesn't feel like Fitz is finding AJ for big plays but the stats say different.
 
while researching the data associated with Toxic Differential, I saw that 26 of our 34 "explosive plays" (20+ yds) came from the passing game. Of those 26, AJ leads all receivers with 10. Hopkins is right on his tail with 9. No other receiver has more than 2. It sure as hell doesn't feel like Fitz is finding AJ for big plays but the stats say different.

This reflects on Texans fans who love to declare players who have had an injury or who are getting older done. Manning, Brady or Rogers would be tearing Ds apart with AJ and Hop. A QB with the ability to throw in a tire instead of a zip code would have this team in a much different situation.
 
This reflects on Texans fans who love to declare players who have had an injury or who are getting older done. Manning, Brady or Rogers would be tearing Ds apart with AJ and Hop. A QB with the ability to throw in a tire instead of a zip code would have this team in a much different situation.

Agreed. However, if you notice, those QBs don't have $17million WRs on the back side of their career playing on their teams. I believe the struggles at QB create a myth that all issues in the passing game are the quarterbacks fault and masks additional issues... For instance, I do not believe schaub, keenum, and fitz are the reason why Andre Johnson hasn't broken a tackle in three years. I don't think Andre Johnson's lack of big plays is the fault of noodle-armed Qbs. I think he simply has lost the explosive speed to run by NFL corners and safeties.

If you recall, AJ's best game this year was the one where he caught 4 or 5 back shoulder throws from Fitz.... Really nice catches. I believe he had that game because he was single covered and the texans attacked it. The alarming part of that is that AJ never gained any separation. In other words, he couldn't get open in single coverage vs. a CB-though he still made plays. That is who he is. He is an athletically declining playmaker at WR. He does not command double teams. If he is getting double teamed, it is more of an endictment of the other Texan receivers.
 
As I believe obsi iirc pointed out, AJ leads the league in big plays.

I think the rumors of his demise are not just over stated but false. Sorry but on this one I just disagree and think your eyes are off.

Hasn't broken a tackle. That's good. Repeat it a couple more times and it will become Internet fact.

I like how you know the mindset of the misguided NFL coaches who still double team AJ.

I'm done with this subject. And I'll enjoy watching AJ in a Texans uniform next year, hopefully with a competent QB. Have a good one.
 
As I believe obsi iirc pointed out, AJ leads the league in big plays.

I think the rumors of his demise are not just over stated but false. Sorry but on this one I just disagree and think your eyes are off.

Hasn't broken a tackle. That's good. Repeat it a couple more times and it will become Internet fact.

I like how you know the mindset of the misguided NFL coaches who still double team AJ.

I'm done with this subject. And I'll enjoy watching AJ in a Texans uniform next year, hopefully with a competent QB. Have a good one.


He broke a tackle or two just last week I'm certain but people are just set in their ways.
 
My frustration level with this organization is at all time high, just so many wasted years, money & time spent supporting an under-performing, well funded, mis-allocated payroll that is constantly disappoints its own, loyal fan base with horrendous meltdowns @ inappropriate times & officially the Colts bitches til end of time. Cannot fully support this team with Rick Smith GM. It starts & ends with him as key loss & cap casualty! :chickendance:


I feel your pain, I think many of us do, your not alone here. Add in the numerous failed draft picks from the past few years and the total collapse of the 2014 draft class to go with all the expensive contracts to Cushing, AJ, Graham, etc. that aren't performing up to their pay level and you get total fan frustration. I see these contracts as an anchor around our neck holding us down and we can't get rid of it due to guaranteed money still owed. Very frustrating indeed. It gets to the point that you just have to laugh at our situation because if you dwell on it, it will drive you nuts.
 
As I believe obsi iirc pointed out, AJ leads the league in big plays.

I think the rumors of his demise are not just over stated but false. Sorry but on this one I just disagree and think your eyes are off.

Hasn't broken a tackle. That's good. Repeat it a couple more times and it will become Internet fact.

His longest play this year is 26 yards. You can categorize things however you would like... But defending andre johnson's explosiveness by insisting he leads the league in "big plays" when he doesnt have a single catch and run of 30 yards through 8 games smacks of desperation.
 
Without Schaub & Kubiak around, there are fans that will continuously need to find a scapegoat.

So you like a guy who will throw anybody and everybody under the bus to save his job? Yes men are your thing? Good luck with that.

I understand that the McNair's are behind the failure of the on the field product. But I'm pretty certain Rick Smith isn't helping things. Hope you're enjoying mediocrity.
 
I disagree. So is that enough for you? Or does this constitute an attack on you which requires an assault on my character?

I'm not saying it will. I'm asking the question because many think any disagreement with an opinion requires an assault. It really doesn't.

Why do you disagree? Tell me why should Rick Smith keep his job and Kubiak be fired?

Truth is the fans of this franchise deserve much better than Rick Smith. Not that the McNair's give a rats a** about the fans or the on the field product. Just keep those $$$$ flowing.
 
How would Cushing retiring affect the cap? Would that open space and take us off the hook for the rest of that horrible contract?

It would be the same as cutting him or trading him. Any of the pro-rated bonus would be accelerated into the current year's cap.
 
Obviously AJ's lack of separation, drops, and fumbles are all because of OB..

:kubepalm:

Unless you're looking at the all 22 & bring evidence to back it up, I don't want to hear about "lack of separation" It's not like Andre only caught balls when he was WTF open.
 
BS right back at ya good buddy. Hopkins and Morris have gotten open for Fitz. Your blasting of Fitz is ridiculous as OBrien would call deep passes if he thought Johnson would get deep. It is obviously a confidence issue between Fitzpatrick and AJ who might have made it to the team a bit earlier to bond.

But Aj has more catches than both of them.


& before you start yaking about YPC & TDs, the argument right now is that AJ doesn't get open. Then you're saying that Hop & Demaris get open.

& I do believe better ball placement to allow for a little YAC would help Andre's numbers. Take away that 76 yard catch & run, I wonder what Hopkins ypc would look like.
 
agree 1000 % and a 1100 yard season is still nothing to sneeze at. More importantly, I believe McNair wants him here and not much behind him.

To the detriment of the team being able to cut Cushing and add more young blood AJ will be a Texan, because McNair always does what's best for business.
 
LOL - yeah, because keeping AJ makes more money for McNair. In what universe?

AJ is H-Town. Fan icon

No way McNair cuts/trades AJ. Regardless of the cap/$$$$.

Good orgs let go of their star players at the end of their careers. See: Montana/Rice.

One of the reasons the Astros have been so terrible is because they hung on to Biggio/Bagwell to long instead if trading them late in their careers for young and up coming talent. Did McClane need the $$$$?

Fans of all sports in Houston have problems trading stars at the end of their careers for some reason. I don't get it. The name on the front of the jersey has always meant more to me than the name on the back of the jersey.
 
To the detriment of the team being able to cut Cushing and add more young blood AJ will be a Texan, because McNair always does what's best for business.

The point of this thread is to outline what you would do if you had Rick Smith's job.
So let's hear it.

If I were GM I would

restructure J-Jo's contract to lessen the cap hit and re-sign KJ unless he wants insane money
restructure Cushings contract to be more performance based. He has to play all three downs to earn big bucks.
Cut Fitz, start Mallett. Now that's really an O'Brien decision so he and I would have a long conversation about why we're carrying someone he doesn't want to start. If O'Brien convinces me Mallett is the future then Fitz is gone. If he's not then Mallett is gone.
I'm giving Ryan Pickett a year extension to let him help groom Nix and Powell
And I'm on the prowl for ILBs - for Cushing insurance - and CBs with speed in case KJ finds someone willing to pay him big bank.
oh and I'm scouting for a Foster replacement unit. Even if Blue becomes the starter in 16 when Foster's deal is up, Blue will need a backup.

thoughts?
 
AJ is H-Town. Fan icon

No way McNair cuts/trades AJ. Regardless of the cap/$$$$.

Good orgs let go of their star players at the end of their careers. See: Montana/Rice.

One of the reasons the Astros have been so terrible is because they hung on to Biggio/Bagwell to long instead if trading them late in their careers for young and up coming talent. Did McClane need the $$$$?

Fans of all sports in Houston have problems trading stars at the end of their careers for some reason. I don't get it. The name on the front of the jersey has always meant more to me than the name on the back of the jersey.
Olajuwon ?
 
His longest play this year is 26 yards. You can categorize things however you would like... But defending andre johnson's explosiveness by insisting he leads the league in "big plays" when he doesnt have a single catch and run of 30 yards through 8 games smacks of desperation.

Whoa..... so 30's the new 20?

I must have missed the memo.
 
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