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Realistically, is AJ going to the hall of fame??
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bah007
Hall of Fame
Anyone with half a brain could tell that Andre has more than enough talent to be considered for the Hall of Fame.
I think the issue has always been, are his stats good enough? I don't know the answer to that, but if you look at who he was playing with as he put up those stats then the answer is a most definite yes.
I think the issue has always been, are his stats good enough? I don't know the answer to that, but if you look at who he was playing with as he put up those stats then the answer is a most definite yes.
AJ for the first time or very soon will have serious competition as the best player in Texans' history, nevertheless there's little doubt that he's going to be the first Texans player nominated to a ballot for HOF consideration and by then it will be time if it's not already time that the Texans to have somebody in the Hall.
Couple that with the general popularity/respect for franchise founder Bob McNair and just the fact that AJ is fully HOF eligible on the merits alone, and I got little doubt that he's the Texans first HOFamer.
Couple that with the general popularity/respect for franchise founder Bob McNair and just the fact that AJ is fully HOF eligible on the merits alone, and I got little doubt that he's the Texans first HOFamer.
His receptions and yardage by the time he hangs it up are easily Hall of Fame worthy. His TDs are low, but i'm curious to know his numbers for all time redzone targets, because for whatever reason we never throw it to him in the redzone.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Yes. I think a better question is will he be first ballot?
Andre in the Hall is a given if the only consideration given is what he did with JAG's for QB's, much less what could have been.
The shame is that Andre's greatness will forever be coupled with a required remembrance of the Texans ineptness.
Barry Sanders is the only other player, off the top of my of head, of such great ability and production that also had to endure such mediocrity from their franchise.
The shame is that Andre's greatness will forever be coupled with a required remembrance of the Texans ineptness.
Barry Sanders is the only other player, off the top of my of head, of such great ability and production that also had to endure such mediocrity from their franchise.
Eh, there's a lot of players whose potential was not maximized during their primes.
Who has Tom Brady had to throw to?
How many championships did Marino win?
How many times has Calvin Johnson been in the playoffs?
Who has Larry Fitzgerald had to throw to him?
Tom Brady had Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski. Not to mention very quality o-lines.
I considered Marino, but he had Clayton & Duper and overall some pretty competitive teams throughout.
Calvin's still pretty early on to consider, but he's got a pro bowl caliber qb as is.
Fitzgerald has had f*ck all as of late, but he had a HoF qb early and played on a super bowl team.
I don't think any of those guys for the duration of their careers have settled for the frustration of an Andre or Barry Sanders in terms of team futility. I could see Marino in that convo though.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You just named one guy who is in, one guy who is a lock and 2 guys who are probables. Your point was?
Vance87
All Pro
I think that was his point.
I wonder about this too. AJ's cap space sure would come in handy.
No he's not a HOF'er. He was the best WR in the NFL for a 5 yrs window and still performed well with avg to below avg QB play. I personally thought Schaub was above avg before he hurt his foot.
AJ doesn't make the HOF due to injury and not doing it long enough. I know this wont set well with the koolaid drinkers but just wait and see what happens. Was AJ a HOF talent? Of course he was/is. The numbers wont be there though.
Lets look at this objectively:
AJ has been considered a top 10 receiver for almost his entire career. He has been considered a top 5 receiver for probably 8 years, a top 3 receiver for 5 or six years and most people would have put him as 1 or 1a for 3 or 4 years.
He is 3rd over all in yards/game but his greatness was never measured in statistics. There are so many of his plays that you can look at and see just pure dominance. You can look at him on a spreadsheet and he looks awesome but watch a highlight clip and he is so much more than his statistics. That play against AZ for example (you know the play). It is like Campbell's plays running over people, it is old school physically beat you down football.
Mike
AJ has been considered a top 10 receiver for almost his entire career. He has been considered a top 5 receiver for probably 8 years, a top 3 receiver for 5 or six years and most people would have put him as 1 or 1a for 3 or 4 years.
He is 3rd over all in yards/game but his greatness was never measured in statistics. There are so many of his plays that you can look at and see just pure dominance. You can look at him on a spreadsheet and he looks awesome but watch a highlight clip and he is so much more than his statistics. That play against AZ for example (you know the play). It is like Campbell's plays running over people, it is old school physically beat you down football.
Mike
That's one of the main criteria for consideration in the HOF. Best at your position for multiple years... not many can say that
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
If John McClain is still alive, he's getting in for sure.
He'll be beating that horse from the day AJ retires.
He'll be beating that horse from the day AJ retires.
I was just getting to post about McClain. He has already said that he will be lobbying hard for AJ when he's eligible. McClain also has a vote, iirc.
I forgot about Pancakes.
He lobbied hard for Moon and he made the HOF. I would expect the same for AJ. I retract my previous statement.
I've been thinking on this and AJ is getting close to being a lock for the HOF. TD's and inflated numbers due to the era he's playing in will hurt him, but I think if he can get to 75-80 TD's, the era issue will go away. I also think that he's been a model citizen will be a factor due to the increased attention being paid to off-field behavior.
I clown on the guy a lot. But his record for hawking Houston players to the HOF is impeccable.
He still has a lot of respect around the league... he was a damn good reporter at one time
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Andre Johnson is the best receiver not named Jerry Rice that I have ever seen, taking into account size, speed, route-running, heart, and performance. Just an unreal, unreal player. Not to mention he's basically been the model citizen and teammate, outside of a couple instances of whining. Even Andre's allowed that, I guess.
He should definitely be in the HOF, stats be damned.
He should definitely be in the HOF, stats be damned.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I do not see him as a first ballot, but will ultimately get in due to his professionalism and consistency between the red zones
If by "consistency between the red zones" you mean "his ability to be a f*ck*ng reliable menace for every team to contend with between the red zones throughout his career", then I definitely agree. And any voter worth his salt should be aware that Andre's usage inside the red zones has been a crime to the franchise that he's not been an accomplice.
He should be a certifiable Hall lock, and a Hall heavy year should be the only remote concern as a first ballot goes.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I'll break out the Pro Football Reference stats again if you would like, but Tory Holt is the only player in the top 15 all time in reception and yards who has gotten there in the same amount of years or quicker than AJ has. For all of our talk about Larry Fitzpatrick, he has had one less year than Andre in the NFL and is 100 receptions and 1500 yards behind him, or basically one season.
In other words, he has produced at a faster rate than all but one person at the top of the All Time list. Even though he missed a major portion of two seasons. Everyone in the top 15, with the exception of Holt, played at least 14 years. Andre is already surpassing them in year 12.
Not sure how you can justify the position that he doesn't have the numbers currently, or won't have the numbers if he plays for the 14 year minimum of his contemporaries.
eriadoc
Texan-American
If by "impeccable", you mean not interested in pushing for Dr. Doom, I agree.
Torry Holt is the guy I always point to when this question comes up. Their numbers are very similar, except Holt has something like 18 more TDs through the same point in their career (from memory, probably off by a couple). But no one seriously considers Holt. Holt was the fastest ever to 10000 yards, and Fitzgerald was the second fastest. Anquan Boldin was the fastest player to 600 receptions. So I'm not sure what those kinds of numbers will even mean to the voters in 10 years, when every star WR will be putting up those sorts of numbers. Hell, CJ is on pace to make all of these WRs' stats obsolete.
I don't know if AJ will get in or not, but I do know he passes the eyeball test. Compare his numbers to whoever you like, but people who have watched AJ, especially in his prime, know how good he is.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Yeah, the process of being considered an HoFer is definitely more than just stats. I *think the point I was trying to make is that the poster made the comment over AJ not having done it for long enough or having good enough stats right now, as if his career was already over.
Right now, if he never played another down, he is in the conversation. If he continues to play for a few more years, he puts himself stats-wise in the Top 5-7 all time. His owning or sharing several NFL records are what I think will separate him from the Tory Holt's and Tim Brown's that are at the top of the list.
Most games with 10+ receptions in a season: 7 (tied with Wes Welker)
Most seasons with 100+ receptions: 5 (tied with Wes Welker)
Most seasons with 100+ receptions and 1,400+ yards: 4
Most games with 10+ receptions and 100+ yards: 17