Of course you can't count on luck. That is why it is called luck.
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Then there's no argument here.
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Ryan Mallett traded to Texans
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Then there's no argument here.
That kinda takes the fun out of it!!
Considering the fact that not one single person even remotely involved with the Texans in an official capacity has my contact info, I have no idea why OB and RS traded for RM.
If Sunday was what I can expect from Fitz, I'm all for seeing what Mallett brings to the table. Slinging INT's is about the only way it could get worse.
If Sunday was what I can expect from Fitz...
I'll give him this. He might not be better than RGIII, but he was better than RGIII that day.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
That kinda takes the fun out of it!!
Considering the fact that not one single person even remotely involved with the Texans in an official capacity has my contact info, I have no idea why OB and RS traded for RM.
If Sunday was what I can expect from Fitz, I'm all for seeing what Mallett brings to the table. Slinging INT's is about the only way it could get worse.
So even though Fitz did what OB wanted, we won the game, and Fitz came through "when we absolutely had to have it...." as OB put it, you're still ready to replace him with 1 of 2 guys who haven't even done what Fitz did yesterday....
I get and understand that noone's impressed with Fitz....but if we continue to win games and he's not causing us to lose games like Schaub was last year, i don't see what the big deal is in letting this guy continue to play....especially if the other 2 behind him clearly aren't ready. One couldn't unseat him in preseason & the other got beat out by a rookie for his position. Everyone including Fitz knows that he's likely not the long term answer and trotting our young guys out there before they're ready harms our chances of winning this year more than letting a guy like Fitz do what he's currently done to date.
Fitz was able to win 7 games with a titans team worse than the current one he's playing on. Lets at least let the guy play himself out of the starting job before we start jumping all over him.
Yes, that's correct.
You're living on borrowed time. We got away with one. Whatever cliche you want to use... a leopard doesn't change his stripes.
Fitz is who he is & one of these days we're going to need our QB to win a game for us... Or the next two weeks, we've got an excellent opportunity to go 3-0 for the season, but we might lose to a rookie Raider QB because our QB is liable to play like a rookie.
If he showed a mastery of the play book, I can understand the "gives us the best chance to win." But I'm not seeing it... not that I'm the one making the call, but if I'm giving my opinion, which I am.... we need to move on before he costs us something he shouldn't.
The difference between 8-8 and 9-7 (& a Wild Card) is probably going to be Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
According to OB Fitz did what he was supposed to on that TD pass to Hopkins:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...r-Week-1/e6cf04ff-31c0-404d-9b69-4528c119f4ef
For the record, I'm rooting on replacing Fitz ASAP.
But I'm also ok with OB sticking with him for now
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...r-Week-1/e6cf04ff-31c0-404d-9b69-4528c119f4ef
For the record, I'm rooting on replacing Fitz ASAP.
But I'm also ok with OB sticking with him for now
Vance87
All Pro
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
So how many games do you estimate the 2 young and unproven guys behind him will cost us this year if we were to go ahead and start them though? Both guys likely spends a minimum 6-7 games just adjusting to life as a full time starter.... making rookie type mistakes and experiencing growing pains that ultimately cost us games..............and that's mostly a best case scenario with Mallett. Anyone who watched Savage this preseason knows he's no where close to being ready and you'd be effectively throwing away any chance we'd have of going to the playoffs or 8-8, 9-7......however small that might be with Fitz now.
You're right, if everyone stays healthy Fitz probably is the difference between 8-8 and 9-7. But what you're failing to realize is that Mallet nor Savage at this point in their experience and development likely can't even best that 8-8, 9-7 record...despite the higher talent and potential.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
And what's the difference with Mallett/Savage? 6-10 and 8-8?
I think most of you are just so curious to see what we may have in Mallett or Savage that you would be willing to throw away this season just to find out. O'Brien has said that Savage isn't ready and it appears that Mallett isn't ready either. Thus Fitz. He may not be the future but he gives this team the best chance to win right now and Bill O'Brien came here to win.
Tigers don't change their spots, ya know!!!
I don't care to see Savage on the field at all this season, but I would take a good look at Mallett in a real NFL game situation to see how he does.
I see no value or link to reality saying that the Texans will win x games with y QB. None of us have much more than a s.w.a.g.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Was anyone saying Fitz screwed up the play (other than it being a poor throw)?
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think TKyss said Fittz should have gotten rid of the ball sooner because he saw a LB on Hopkins or something like that...
But the defense was in some kind of zone...
OB called it a "nice" throw btw.
Looked like a guy who struggles to throw on a rope to me.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Pretty much TK in posts #1082 and #1088
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Tiger don't change their spots either....
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I suspect OB may very well have said something in the film room about getting that ball out quicker. If the safety hadn't whiffed horrifically ("missed him in his blind spot") recovering from being too low he'd a been all over Hopkins.
Of course OB called it a nice throw. What's he gonna say in that setting? I mean seriously, when have you ever seen a coach talking about a successful play throw his QB under the bus with a "despite Fitz under throwing the ball Hopkins was able to get back to it and make a nice move" which is obviously what happened?
Anyway, I'm done with that play. Glad it happened.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think OB is being honest there. Throwing it sooner could have lead to it getting picked off as the flow was coming back towards Hopkins. Easily could have been undercut.
Even if the safety plays that better and finds Hopkins sooner, he's still not in a good position to make a play as he'd have to redirect to Hopkins route and still would've been in a trailing position.
As far as OB calling it a good throw...He could have left the adjective out and stuck with the noun and just said he made the throw...Or maybe like Matt Schaub he underthrew it on purpose to give Hopkins a chance to catch it and make a move....
I don't think it was a good throw either, but how it worked out it was perfect because if Hopkins catches it in stride he might run out of bounds or just try to keep running up the sideline and give the DB an angle to push him out...
Maybe fitz is smarter than all of us and used that big brain of his to do a math problem in his head measuring the DB's speed, direction change ability, hopkins speed, distance of the throw, trajectory needed and calculated that **** real fast and decided that was the perfect throw to put a TD on the board...
Even if the safety plays that better and finds Hopkins sooner, he's still not in a good position to make a play as he'd have to redirect to Hopkins route and still would've been in a trailing position.
As far as OB calling it a good throw...He could have left the adjective out and stuck with the noun and just said he made the throw...Or maybe like Matt Schaub he underthrew it on purpose to give Hopkins a chance to catch it and make a move....
I don't think it was a good throw either, but how it worked out it was perfect because if Hopkins catches it in stride he might run out of bounds or just try to keep running up the sideline and give the DB an angle to push him out...
Maybe fitz is smarter than all of us and used that big brain of his to do a math problem in his head measuring the DB's speed, direction change ability, hopkins speed, distance of the throw, trajectory needed and calculated that **** real fast and decided that was the perfect throw to put a TD on the board...
Saying it was a nice throw... actually he said Fitz did a good job getting DeAndre a good ball... it's not the same as saying he did what he was supposed to do. Looking at it again I can see Fitz saw man under on that side of the field, with a safety over the top before he turned his back due to the play fake.
I honestly don't know what he's expecting when he turns back around.
Still there's no denying DeAndre is wide open for a long time before Fitz saw him. If Rambo doesn't have his head up his ass Fitz misses his window.
Vance87
All Pro
He wasn't. You have a bird's eye view of the play, Fitz had a ground level view. It's a lot tougher to gauge depth at that distance when you are on the ground and you have guys moving around all in front of you. If you watch, Fitz waited until Hopkins (moving right) crossed the path of the secondary (moving left) to make the throw.
But tigers love pepper. They hate cinnamon.
How does this Ryan Mallet thread change into a discussion of the Fitzpatrick TD pass and tigers? These threads are dysfunctional. Seriously, how would someone know where to get into this discussion by looking at the thread title?
Nope.
Tell y'all what. I'm supposed to be in love me some Texans mode right now. Having to pick this play apart again & again is putting me in the "kinda hard to love my QB" situation.
If y'all want to believe Fitz did what he was supposed to do in that situation, fine. Have at it.
But think about it. The safety Fitz was "waiting" for DeAndre to cross, was sucked up to the LOS because of the two previous zone runs. He bit on the play fake, then he got back to a spot (overran it) where he could have made a play on the ball.
What's the point of the play fake?
banned1976
sleeper mode
I have no dog in this hunt, I don't care much for Fitz or Mallet, but why are you still complaining about a touchdown that helped lead to a Texans win? It makes no sense.
Vance87
All Pro
You are wrong and I'm done.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Mallet is clearly not ready? based on what? I think the idea he was beat out is nonsense. When they drafted Garoppolo, Mallett was beat out because they were not going to carry 3 QB's and not going to pay Mallett a hefty contract when they can get Garoppolo cheaper. As long as the rookie was competent they were moving on from Mallett regardless of his talent IMO.
Based on what?
Sigma
Veteran
well I'd say either:
1- he isn't ready
2- he is ready but still worse than Fitz
3- he is ready but OB doesn't want to play him
4- he is ready but OB is forced to keep him out
otherwise he would be playing, I guess...
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Mixed metaphors are funny.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I think it is unrealistic to expect Mallett to start week 1 with the timing of the trade. But for the poster to say Mallet is not ready requires a reason why he thinks that, other than Mallett did not start week 1 therefore he is not ready, or has not been named starter of week 2 yet, therefore he is not ready. It is possible O'Brien is going to let Fitz hang himself like most of us are pretty sure eventually he will. I had predicted Mallett will start by game 4, and I say now, sooner if Fitz starts tossing picks in the next few games.
Your list pretty much covers all the possibilities, but I was looking for a more direct answer from the person I quoted as to why he felt Mallett is not ready.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Based on the fact that there hasn't even been an inkling from OB that he's ready to step in and play since he's gotten here. Based on the timing of when he got here....Based on his lack of experience as a starting qb which he's never been in this league. It takes time to get comfortable with all that...& not just 2-3 weeks like you're guessing either.
Mallet may play for us at some point, but i think that if OB truly thought Mallet was a franchise guy & he was ready to take the reigns, he would've went after him earlier and alot more agressively....price be damned and he would've already made the move to start him.
And regardless of why he was traded to us, if the patriots felt he was valuable enough of an asset to their franchise, they would've made an attempt to keep him...they didn't. They usually don't waste time on guys they don't want (samuels) nor do they waste time getting deals in place for guys they do want to keep. They'd effectively been shopping Mallet since the draft...even before they took Garapolo.
banned1976
sleeper mode
When the Texans lose, and Mallett plays poorly that will all change.
I think you meant Fitzpatrick, and I'm sure you're right about that.
That makes sense. Just as if O'Brien felt Savage was a future franchise QB, he would have taken him higher in the draft. I don't think there was a QB available this offseason that O'Brien was in love with. Doesn't mean he doesn't like the guys he has now.
Except Mallett will be a free agent at the end of the season... I like the price be damned m.o. but if he wasn't willing to commit long term, kinda hard to give up a decent draft pick.
Is this still a Mallett thread?
Based on their dislike for Mallett.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Really?
Garoppolo:
24/37 (64.9%)
334 Yards (9.0 ypa)
4 TD
0 INT
0 Sacks
Mallett:
14/26 (53.8%)
161 Yards (6.2 ypa)
1 TD
0 INT
3 Sacks
Those were their stats in the first 3 preseason games. NE announced Garoppolo as the backup after the third game (rightfully so by the numbers) and he started and played the entire 4th preseason game. Nothing about their competition this preseason suggested Mallett as the more talented player.
Based on the fact that he's thrown 4 NFL passes with 1 of those being a completion and 1 of them being an Interception. Based on the fact that O'Brien hasn't even hinted at the prospect of him pushing Fitz for the job. Based on the fact that the Pats drafted him with a 3rd round pick and dumped him 3 years later for a conditional 7th.
What are you basing your opinion on?
Sigma
Veteran
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Garopollo was drafted because Brady continues to assert that he is going to play until he sucks. They knew Mallett would not stick around for another contract after this year. That is pretty freaking obvious to anyone who takes a look at things beyond the stat lines of glorified scrimmages. Completely freaking obvious.
For three years Mallett was THE guy who was going to be in the game should Brady go down. I doubt that BB would put him in that position if he was a bust. It just happens to be that BB got lucky on Brady's durability and never had to find out. Combined with Brady never leaving a game so he could pad stats, Mallett is a complete unknown at this point. That is why they are still using the word POTENTIAL for a guy in the last season of his rookie contract.
We all have opinions, but it was clear that Mallett was going to be the heir apparent before Brady started doing a Favre. Not everyone is like Kubiak and content to be a backup for their entire career to an HOFer. Garopollo has a much better chance of being that heir apparent simply because of Brady's age by the time his rookie contract is up.
But to say that they went with Garopollo instead of Mallett based only on their pre-season performances? That decision was made on draft day, and it had nothing to do with whether Mallett was a good QB or not.
If they believed Mallet could be their Aaron Rodgers, they wouldn't have let him go - even if it would've cost them a lot of money, you don't let a potential franchise QB go, especially not if your QB is 37 years old.
And if anybody in the league believed he could be a starting QB, the Pats would've gotten more than a 6th or even 7th rounder for him.
Mallet is an unknown that has not shown any promise in the NFL so far. But he is also a guy with all the tools and great size and perhaps the strongest arm in the NFL. BoB wanted him, because he knew the system - and because coaches love projects. They are convinced that they could be the one who can teach a guy with all the tools how to be a great QB. That's why he took Savage and that's why he wanted Mallet. Usually that doesn't work, but every so often it does - and if it works here, well that'd be huge.
Low risk high reward - but there is only a very small chance that we get that high reward...
Preseason stats mean nothing without watching the game. The coach has an expectation of each & he calls the game accordingly. If I were the coach, I would expect Mallet to know the play book much better than Garappolo & I would expect him to call & run the plays as designed. I would call a different game for Garoppolo.
Mallet would be told to stay in the pocket, go through his progressions before breaking the pocket to make something happen. Garoppolo would have no restrictions, may be one read, then go.
I would expect Garoppolo's numbers to be higher, because for him it doesn't matter if the receivers ran the wrong route, or if the protection wasn't called correctly. Mallet... if his receiver runs the wrong route, he's not supposed to throw the ball.
I know this explanation won't make sense with most fans. Especially if they're Garoppolo fans. But there's no way Garoppolo knows the play book as well as Mallet. & just because one does "better" in the preseason than someone else, doesn't mean they are more talented..... Garoppolo is more talented than Brady, just because he's more athletic than Brady makes him more talented. But he's not a better QB, he's not more ready.
I am not saying that Mallet is better than Garoppolo, just saying you can't prove it one way or the other with preseason stats. If that were the case, then Zack Mettenberger is the most talented QB from this draft. & we know that's not true. If it doesn't hold water in Mettenberger's case, it doesn't prove anything in Garoppolo's.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
No team can afford two franchise QBs. Since Brady's still playing, Mallet had to leave to get a contract.
No team can afford letting a franchise QB leave for only a guaranteed 7th rounder. Mallett wouldn't have gotten a huge contract. Most probably not even Fitz money. If the Pats believed someone was gonna give him starting QB type money, they wouldn't have traded him to us for only a guaranteed 7th since they would've gotten a higher compensatory pick.
If the Pats were convinced, that Mallett was their guy, they wouldn't have drafted a QB in the second round and they would've extend Mallett at premium backup QB money. If he wouldn't bite, they'd either get a higher compensatory pick or a better trade offer, than what we gave them.
The reality is: Mallett was a third round pick that hasn't shown anything in preseason or regular season so far. He has talent, that's why we traded for him. But labeling him a franchise QB or even a QB worth starting is way premature and most probably never gonna be true.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
He was going to be a FA after this season anyways, i think that's what a lot of people don't understand. The pats were either going to lose him for nothing or get something for him.
He's a back up QB that's thrown 4 passes in the regular season. They weren't getting a compensatory pick for him.
The reality is we've got fans saying they believe Mallet can be a franchise QB, some say they feel really good about it.
& you gotta remember, if Mallet wasn't willing to sign a long term contract, which it appears he wasn't/isn't, no one is giving New England much of anything to borrow him for a season.
That's an interesting point...
I'm asking because I haven't seen/heard that a contract extension was offered and he turned it down...
Anyone got a link or quote or something to that affect?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You say "no team would" so convincingly I am sure you have examples of teams signing high dollar backup contracts to keep expiring rookie contract QBs?
Mallett had an interview back before the draft where he made pretty clear when it was time to sign his next contract he wanted a starting shot. Haven't heard a hint of a whisper about either the Texans or Patriots actually talking contract to him. But all this the Patriots could re-sign him if they want stuff is nonsense. He would be a fool to do it. It would be all but the end of his football career. Brady's going to play another 4+ years and then he'd be an 8 year backup with 20 NFL throws, dead in the water. Look to see this same saga play out with Garoppolo at the tail end of his rookie contract unless Brady is clearly on his way out.
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
Or, if you just look at how NE manages their personnel, they get role players on the cheap and let the big contracts walk. There is lots of turnover in their system. Garoppolo is going to cost them a whole lot less than Mallett over the next four years. For someone who is essentially insurance. That is a smart business decision.
And what the hell is a "premium backup QB"? What teams are paying $$$ to their backups?