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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

Nitrofish said:
Sure it is... You have no idea what will become of Schaub this season, and he certainly has a fine resume. Certainly better than a #1 overall pick who previously was under center for the Texans.

It seems to me it's far more desperate and pitiful to continue your assault on a QB you dislike after he has been traded to another team just so you can say "See I knew it all along" or "See I told you so". I think more than likely you want to see him fail so that it does not reflect badly on you and all of the nonsensical things you have had to say about him.

Some fans are just being mean for the sake of being mean. And after all of the QB's that have been run out of this town who deserved much better treatment from the fan base than they got. Is it any wonder that a guy like Warren Moon is doing Seahawks games instead doing Texans games. Could it be because he too was treated poorly by fans like you?

Like it or not, and regardless how low the bar is set. Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come. And all he gets for the blood sweat and tears he gave trying to entertain you is childish trash talking, even after he has been traded. That is truly sad and pitiful. What is it like to be so angry and miserable all the time? :pissed:
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Agreed, but I have a pretty good idea of how this season will turn out for MS. One thing I'm sure of is you will spend far too much time defending him. Agreed, MS is the best QB the Texans have ever had. Hopefully they can find a is better than MS if the Texans acclomplish what all of the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS want a SB champion.

Speaking of Moon, You must have a thing for QB's that shrink on the big stage in the playoffs. I don't like Moon, (Wife cheater/Beater, choker) I'm personally glad he moved ba to Washingon state where he went to college. (Where this man of great character served probation time for a DWI.) I guess the gentlemens clubs in Seattle must be the bomb.
 
Fred said:
Don't forget to mention that if Schaub is replaced by Carr or McGloin it won't be because they outplayed him, it will be because of the d!ck move the Texans pulled in waiting to trade him instead of just cutting him - thus not allowing him a fair chance at a starting opportunity.
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Bored? Trolling? Pretending to know what the Texans were waiting to do? Do you remember TJ Yates getting cut only to find out later he was traded after he was cut? So I think we can assume the Texans were not offered a trade for Schaub until it was clear he was about to be released and the Raiders did not want to risk losing him on the waivers.

It would have been a d!ck move to wait so long to cut Schaub that all of the starting jobs were already taken plain and simple. You act as if Schaub was a traitor or something. Schaub and Kubiak deserved better treatment than they got in the end IMO whether you agree or not. I'm not asking for your approval.

If Schaub is replaced it will be because he is injured, or truly has fallen off a cliff like most believe. (especially you Wesseling) But all of you fortune tellers don't know that yet. I would bet most of you have not even seen him play this preseason, but instead rely on your own bias, highlight clips and prize winning sports journalism from the likes of Chris Wesseling, and Dan Hanzus.

Let the dude play a 4 or 5 regular season games before digging his grave. Then if your scenario comes to pass, you can strut around and crow "See I told you so" all you want.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep

Hopefully MS is starting the 2nd game of the season. I cant wait to see MS trying to aoid the rush of JJ/Clowney/Cush etc... That should be fun. Ahhh!!!! good times are coming.
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Actually I fear for his health in this game if the Texans play up to the potential, but we have seen the Texans shrink so many times for no reason at all, anything is possible. Schaub could very well get his revenge and silence many critics however unlikely that might be.

steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but I have a pretty good idea of how this season will turn out for MS. One thing I'm sure of is you will spend far too much time defending him. Agreed, MS is the best QB the Texans have ever had. Hopefully they can find a is better than MS if the Texans acclomplish what all of the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS want a SB champion.

Speaking of Moon, You must have a thing for QB's that shrink on the big stage in the playoffs. I don't like Moon, (Wife cheater/Beater, choker) I'm personally glad he moved ba to Washingon state where he went to college. (Where this man of great character served probation time for a DWI.) I guess the gentlemens clubs in Seattle must be the bomb.
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I won't spend any more time defending Schaub. I won't even gloat if he proves you Schaub haters wrong. I won't deny that it will be fun to watch you all try to explain it all away though if he does play well. Honestly with the way that OLine looks, I do not expect him to finish the season if he remains the starter.

As far as Moon goes, I am not so smug as to judge someone's personal life as if I was there, or know anything about what happened. I know he gave a lot to the City of Houston, and I enjoyed watching him play in the Dome and on TV. I met him several times at the Gentlemen's Clubs in Houston, and he seemed to be a great guy. Very gracious to his fans and talked to you just like one of the guys. Not sure why you or others think these players personal lives should be on display, but whatever floats your boat bro.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I would.

They are going to be terrible with Schaub. At least Carr can learn on the fly and he provides some energy for the team.
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Yeah, "learn on the fly" how to get smashed and bashed around with a terrible line. That's always a confidence booster. Just ask his brother, or guys like Gabbert.
 
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Nitrofish said:
I won't spend any more time defending Schaub. I won't even gloat if he proves you Schaub haters wrong. I won't deny that it will be fun to watch you all try to explain it all away though if he does play well. Honestly with the way that OLine looks, I do not expect him to finish the season if he remains the starter.
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So it's "I told ya so" if Schaub does well (by your standards) or "It's not his fault" if he fails (by any metric)?

Got it.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
We talking about David Carr or Matt Schaub here?
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We're talking about Derek Carr actually. You say let Derek Carr learn on the fly, and I say that is foolish and point to a few recent examples of possible outcomes.

In the end coach Allen might be thinking the same thing I am. Let Schaub absorb all of that punishment for as long as he can while our future QB learns from a safe distance until he is ready. No sense is running your 2nd round pick if you don't have to.

Much like the Texans, it is unlikely that the Raiders are going to make the playoffs let alone make the Super Bowl. So why rush it? You traded a pick, and are paying a handsome some to Schaub, so let him play as long as he can, then bring in the rookie, or hope that Schaub somehow makes it through the entire season.

Are you or anyone else selling the illusion that Schaub under center for the Raiders could be worse than what they have had for the last decade, all based on some preseason action?

:kubepalm:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
We talking about David Carr or Matt Schaub here?
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We're talking about Derek Carr actually. You say let Derek Carr learn on the fly, and I say that is foolish and point to a few recent examples of possible outcomes.

In the end coach Allen might be thinking the same thing I am. Let Schaub absorb all of that punishment for as long as he can while our future QB learns from a safe distance until he is ready. No sense is ruining your 2nd round pick if you don't have to.

Much like the Texans, it is unlikely that the Raiders are going to make the playoffs let alone make the Super Bowl. So why rush it? You traded a pick, and are paying a handsome some to Schaub, so let him play as long as he can, then bring in the rookie, or hope that Schaub somehow makes it through the entire season.

Are you or anyone else selling the illusion that Schaub under center for the Raiders could be worse than what they have had for the last decade, all based on some preseason action?

:kubepalm:
 
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Nitrofish said:
In the end coach Allen might be thinking the same thing I am. Let Schaub absorb all of that punishment for as long as he can while our future QB learns from a safe distance until he is ready. No sense is ruining your 2nd round pick if you don't have to.
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Might not be that easy. Players want to win & it's hard to feel like a winner after losing all the time. If Allen is honest with his players, including Schaub, he might be able to hold them together for the entire season, "Schaub sucks, but these five guys can't protect him. There's no way I'm going to put our rookie, the future of our franchise behind that."

That's if Schaub is the problem, which right now I'm not 100% sold on. But if he is, the team won't understand if he is treated like a "Starting QB" who's sht don't stink.
 
thunderkyss said:
Might not be that easy. Players want to win & it's hard to feel like a winner after losing all the time. If Allen is honest with his players, including Schaub, he might be able to hold them together for the entire season, "Schaub sucks, but these five guys can't protect him. There's no way I'm going to put our rookie, the future of our franchise behind that."

That's if Schaub is the problem, which right now I'm not 100% sold on. But if he is, the team won't understand if he is treated like a "Starting QB" who's sht don't stink.
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There are many players on that team that are in the same boat as Schaub right now. That being they are all believed to be washed up and not worth the money they were signed for. I would assume they probably behind Schaub because they know what it is like to be written off by the media as trash so I am certain Schaub has their support.

The young guys look up to those veterans and probably circle the wagons because of the constant media attacks about those washed up players and how bad the Raiders are going to suck. So I would be they are a tight group of guys with chips on their shoulders and something to prove.

Their heart may be bigger than their skill level at this point so only time will tell if they are what many think they are. Washed up and over the hill. I just think it's foolish to write off players or a team based on what you saw, or think your saw in preseason.

Schaub may very well fail, but so will Carr if he is not ready and there is no reason to rush him into the lineup this season in hopes to win a few extra games. Unless you really believe that Carr is that good that he will overcome the horrible protection he is bound witness of 16 games, especially once there is an injury or two.

If I am Allen, I am going with the veteran as long as I possibly can until I throw my rookie out there. Allen and McKenzie are fighting for their jobs so he may just roll the dice and hope Carr can be magic and save his job. After all, if he feels he is out next year anyway, why does he care if Carr is ruined?
 
Nitrofish said:
Are you or anyone else selling the illusion that Schaub under center for the Raiders could be worse than what they have had for the last decade, all based on some preseason action?

:kubepalm:
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Not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm not selling anything like that. That's an out of left field comment that has no relevance. My David Carr comment was based on the fact that a lot if those same reasons for him being bad were given. But I'll play along with your comment....is Schaub worse than what they've had at qb in the recent past? I don't know. He's looking like he very well could be...but even if he's not I think he'll still be on the wrong side of bad. It's like some asking you for tissue in the next stall..you reach down to give it to them and they touch your hand and it's wet from piss. So you think, well at least it isn't $hyt. That's about the base case scenario for comparing Schaub to recent raiders qb's before him IMO.


I think Carr gives them a better chance to win. I don't think Schaub is any good at all and that's why I'm hoping they stick with him. Really, I don't know if Carr is even all that, but I think they have a better chance of winning games with him.
 
Nitrofish said:
Are you or anyone else selling the illusion that Schaub under center for the Raiders could be worse than what they have had for the last decade, all based on some preseason action?

:kubepalm:
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Rich Gannon lead the Raiders to a Super Bowl at one point in time. Had it not been for a stupid "Tuck Rule" in 2002 and a neck injury in 2005, Gannon could have gotten them back...

Only thing Schaub ever help lead his team to was a 2-14 season and the 1st pick of the NFL draft...

Now had you said the last 5 years, you may have had an argument but Schaub was not better than Rich Gannon.
 
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Nitrofish said:
In the end coach Allen might be thinking the same thing I am. Let Schaub absorb all of that punishment for as long as he can while our future QB learns from a safe distance until he is ready. No sense is ruining your 2nd round pick if you don't have to.
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Nitrofish said:
Schaub may very well fail, but so will Carr if he is not ready and there is no reason to rush him into the lineup this season in hopes to win a few extra games.

If I am Allen, I am going with the veteran as long as I possibly can until I throw my rookie out there.
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And just when do you think Carr will be ready? If Schaub can only take the pounding for 3, 4, 8 games, is Carr ready then? I just don't understand the thought process there.

If Carr comes in in week 10 because Schaub just can't go any more, I don't think it makes Carr any more ready. He's still going to have to play behind the same line Schaub is whether it's week 1 or week 14.

You really don't learn to play this game holding a clipboard. You have to go out there and get the experience. See the defense in your face. Even Peyton Manning had to learn to play this game. He threw more INT than TD his 1st season and went 3-13. You don't learn to play this game if you don't play it.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
...It's like some asking you for tissue in the next stall..you reach down to give it to them and they touch your hand and it's wet from piss. So you think, well at least it isn't $hyt. ...
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Ok you are creeping me out. Are you speaking from experience? Wait... don't answer that.

Speedy said:
...You don't learn to play this game if you don't play it.
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Tell that to Aaron Rodgers and others. I would bet the number of rookies thrown into the ocean to sink or swim is more on the sink side than swim. You honestly don't think having 2 more months to practice and watch film would help Carr? He came from a totally different offense, and right now is playing on a limited playbook. It will be similar to what happened to Keenum. He will come out on fire, then fizzle because DC's will know he is limited.

If that is your stance then you say we should just toss Savage out there now right?
 
Vance87 said:
Regardless, in week 2 we will be facing either a Schaub or a Carr. I don't know which one is weirder.
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You know what will happen. We face them both. We pick-6 Schaub and they will replace him with Carr and he will commence to sack himself repeatedly.
 
Vinny said:
You know what will happen. We face them both. We pick-6 Schaub and they will replace him with Carr and he will commence to sack himself repeatedly.
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Vinny said:
You know what will happen. We face them both. We pick-6 Schaub and they will replace him with Carr and he will commence to sack himself repeatedly.
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You know how when there's two siblings, one hot one that's popular in school and the other one who's not quite as hot but is pretty smart and ends up being really successful.

Well, thanks to Uncle Bob, we dated the hot one.
:D
 
ObsiWan said:
You know how when there's two siblings, one hot one that's popular in school and the other one who's not quite as hot but is pretty smart and ends up being really successful.

Well, thanks to Uncle Bob, we dated the hot one.
:D
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I didn't know David was your type. :backsout:
 
Carr will start game 1 for the Raiders.

Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Breaking: Raiders players have been informed that the team is making the switch at QB and starting Derek Carr over Matt Schaub
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xtruroyaltyx said:
But, but, but....Schaub has played so well all things considered....

Anyone that didn't think there was a good chance this would happen was in denial. Schaub hasn't even been an ok qb in over a year.
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I had hopes it was Schaub we'd face in week 2.
I think he may be done.
 
jaayteetx said:
Damn. I so wanted to face him week two, oh well.
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You might still get your wish. Rex Ryan is going to bring the heat and we will find out in short order what the younger Carr is all about. Can he makes the reads fast enough? Will he get the time he needs? I doubt it.

Besides they have not named Carr the starter for the rest of the season yet. Just week 1. If Schaub's elbow is better next week he could very well be the starter.
 
Playoffs said:
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
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Quote:
#Raiders coach Dennis Allen tells reporters making Derek Carr starter is not week to week. Their hope is it’s forever.


Nitrofish said:
You might still get your wish. Rex Ryan is going to bring the heat and we will find out in short order what the younger Carr is all about. Can he makes the reads fast enough? Will he get the time he needs? I doubt it.

Besides they have not named Carr the starter for the rest of the season yet. Just week 1. If Schaub's elbow is better next week he could very well be the starter.
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:coffee:
 
Hope he gets through his emergency ok.

As far as football....he wasn't better than mcgloin or Carr in pre season. That's how I knew they weren't getting rid of mcgloin. I figured he'd end up the back up at some point. Schaub looks really bad.
 
McGloin replaced Carr today...Hmmmm.....:thinking:

I bet Schaub sends a hitman after Fat Albert.
 
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