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Selection 1.1: JaDeveon Clowney DE-OLB

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Jadeveon Clowney just the second player to ace Detroit Lions' Jim Washburn's drill

Jadeveon Clowney wowed NFL scouts when he broad jumped seven tackling bags at his South Carolina pro day in March in a drill that Detroit Lions defensive line coach Jim Washburn has been using for years to evaluate pass rushers.

Asked about that workout Tuesday, Washburn, who ran the defensive line drills at the Gamecocks’ pro day, said “a lot should be made” of Clowney’s jump, something he’s seen just one other player do in his 16 NFL seasons.

“We just lay down bags and see if they could explode, and after they could explode, land on two feet and see if they could run and bend over and gather themselves and pick up the balls,” Washburn said. “I’ve been doing this for a long time and he was really impressive.”

Clowney, who went first overall in May’s draft to the Houston Texans, jumped seven bags laying side-by-side in the middle of the field, picked up one tennis ball with his left hand a step later and another with his right hand a few yards away.

The bags, three big and four small, covered about 3 yards, and Washburn said Clowney cleared them with “6, 8 inches to spare.” The drill is designed to measure a player’s explosion.

“He’s got it,” Washburn said. “He’s got explosion plus.”

Former Tennessee Titans defensive end Jevon Kearse also could jump seven bags, and Washburn said he’s used the drill to eliminate draft prospects in the past.

“There was a guy that was drafted in the first round several years back that I went to the school and did that, he had trouble with four,” Washburn said without naming the player. “He clipped the fourth bag and I came back and said he’ll never be a pass rusher because he just doesn’t have quite enough explosion.

“I never saw vertical jump as important as that, and the guy never became a pass rusher. And not saying there’s any absolutes, but Clowney did good.”...
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In the FWIW department, Clowney's Combine strength and explosion measurements (bench, broad, vertical) were a combined total of 68. 2 below the magical number of 70 that indicates great strength and explosion. For comparison sake, Mario blew the doors off with a combined total of 85.
 
Texian said:
In the FWIW department, Clowney's Combine strength and explosion measurements (bench, broad, vertical) were a combined total of 68. 2 below the magical number of 70 that indicates great strength and explosion. For comparison sake, Mario blew the doors off with a combined total of 85.
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They still haven't found a way to measure heart, though...:cowboy1:
 
DocBar said:
Yeah...cuz everyone knew JJ Watt was the right pick in 2011. The dude got booed by Texans fans. Nice manipulation of stats, though.

Besides. it's JJ's heart that makes him so dominant. Just imagine if Mario had that much in him. :fight:
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I didn't manipulate anything, I just posted actual NFL Combine results. How you decide to manipulate, explain or dismiss them is up to you. And we can clearly see you did.
 
Instead of continuing to break down the new guy why not start to embrace him?

I'm sure after a year or two with Watt and Cushing, Clowney will be stronger since that was the one glaring weakness in his workouts.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Instead of continuing to break down the new guy why not start to embrace him?

I'm sure after a year or two with Watt and Cushing, Clowney will be stronger since that was the one glaring weakness in his workouts.
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In another thread you will find I was defending his spindly legs. I don't consider posting Clowney's combine results, breaking down the new guy. His numbers are what they are and they are better than most.
 
DocBar said:
Yeah...cuz everyone knew JJ Watt was the right pick in 2011. The dude got booed by Texans fans. Nice manipulation of stats, though.

Besides. it's JJ's heart that makes him so dominant. Just imagine if Mario had that much in him. :fight:
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Texian said:
I didn't manipulate anything, I just posted actual NFL Combine results. How you decide to manipulate, explain or dismiss them is up to you. And we can clearly see you did.
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That 70 is for defensive lineman . JD is an OLB which means speed and agility is more important . What Mario and JJ have on JD is the bench press .
 
Uncle Rico said:
Instead of continuing to break down the new guy why not start to embrace him?

I'm sure after a year or two with Watt and Cushing, Clowney will be stronger since that was the one glaring weakness in his workouts.
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I'm on board with this. Clowney was the last guy I wanted headed into the draft, but he is one our team now. It's time to hope for the best and root for him.
 
DocBar said:
Yeah...cuz everyone knew JJ Watt was the right pick in 2011. The dude got booed by Texans fans. Nice manipulation of stats, though.

Besides. it's JJ's heart that makes him so dominant. Just imagine if Mario had that much in him. :fight:
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infantrycak said:
The 70 is for explosiveness. They made a deal of it because DeMeco's was real high in addition to Mario.
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Vernon Davis was off the chart as well .
 
So Clowney has gone from a retar... errrrrr Aundray Bruce, to now lacking athleticism?

boy, that bortles jizz must be something.
 
Just putting it in perspective people. Folks were having multiple orgasms about jumping over 7 bags. The BIG whoop about jumping over 7 bags may be overstated. The Combine results doesn't verify it's greatness. His 37" vert and 10' broad is still above avg but jumping over bags from a standing position is basically a broad jump.
 
Texian said:
Just putting it in perspective people. Folks were having multiple orgasms about jumping over 7 bags. The BIG whoop about jumping over 7 bags may be overstated. The Combine results doesn't verify it's greatness. His 37" vert and 10' broad is still above avg but jumping over bags from a standing position is basically a broad jump.
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and the broad jump is only done to gauge explosiveness...so yeah
 
My focus is & has always been the draft. Love the process, can't get enough College Football & the real beauty is projecting them into NFL, specifically Texans!

Once the draft is concluded I just file information away & move on try to make sense of why teams do what they do.

Most important for Clowney is he has a mentor in Vrabel. College film, combine, pro-days, private workouts, medical opinion it all boils down to talent meets support group. He has that with Texans & I expect him to be wildly successful & puller of strength in his community!
 
beerlover said:
My focus is & has always been the draft. Love the process, can't get enough College Football & the real beauty is projecting them into NFL, specifically Texans!

Once the draft is concluded I just file information away & move on try to make sense of why teams do what they do.

Most important for Clowney is he has a mentor in Vrabel. College film, combine, pro-days, private workouts, medical opinion it all boils down to talent meets support group. He has that with Texans & I expect him to be wildly successful & puller of strength in his community!
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I'm just not as positive about Texans' medical team.
 
Texian said:
In another thread you will find I was defending his spindly legs. I don't consider posting Clowney's combine results, breaking down the new guy. His numbers are what they are and they are better than most.
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Actually that wasn't a criticism on my part but more of an observation which I made in response to another poster saying he thought Clowney was a "big dude". JD is long or lengthy, but he's not big in the sense that he's heavy or thick, certainly not his limbs.
 
"He reminds me so much of when I was with the Cowboys, there was a young player, a rookie coming in named DeMarcus Ware," Nguyen said. "This guy’s bigger, stronger, seems like faster, than DeMarcus Ware was when he came into the league. Pretty scary.”
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...-to-Ware/f58de4f3-164d-42b4-b994-55125b6d775b
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"Bigger, stronger, seems faster, than DeMarcus Ware" ? Hey don't look at me, I didn't say. It was just some guy who played with Ware, a teammate in the NFL who said it.
 
Left tackle Duane Brown gives Clowney tips on how to beat him.
"I'm learning a lot," Clowney said. "He's helped put me on moves to do on against certain guys. You just have to watch offensive linemen and know where to attack them at. I ask him every day, 'How was my pass rush today?' He says to just keep working, 'You're pretty good, you're just getting better. Just keep doing what you're doing.'"
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"We are battling and I'm trying to make him as best as I can," Brown said. "And he's making me work too to get me better. So it's a great competition over there."
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Texian said:
In the FWIW department, Clowney's Combine strength and explosion measurements (bench, broad, vertical) were a combined total of 68. 2 below the magical number of 70 that indicates great strength and explosion. For comparison sake, Mario blew the doors off with a combined total of 85.
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Just to understand, if a player gets 25 on the bench and has a vert of 30, does that mean he only has to broad jump 15 inches to make the magic number of 70? How does it work?
 
Playoffs said:
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What's up with the camera man's forearm???
 
Lambert said:
What's up with the camera man's forearm???
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CloakNNNdagger said:
From the overlying old scar, looks like an old radius bone forearm (Colle's ) fracture that was either poorly reduced or developed a large bone callus.

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Where else could you get an answer to that except TexansTalk? :fostering:
 
8/02 practice tweets on JD's "not tweaked" hip-somethingorother...

James Palmer @JPalmerCSN
Clowney still sitting on trainers table.

Jadeveon Clowney putting ice on his upper right leg by his waist. Don't want to assume specific injury. That's all we have for now.

Jadeveon Clowney sitting on trainers table with head trainer. He's upset. Grabbing right thigh and hip flexor area.
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Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
Clowney has been on the trainer's table for a few minutes. Has an ice pack on what looks like the hip flexor area. #Texans
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AdamWexlerCSN @awexler
Clowney is icing down his upper right leg/hip area now

Clowney been with trainers for a bit, appear to be looking at right leg, groin, hip. Walks over to tent to get looked at more
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Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
Jadeveon Clowney leaves practice field on a cart.

Jadeveon Clowney icing his upper right leg near his waist.

Texans trainers looking at Jadeveon Clowney.
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Texans rookie Jadeveon Clowney exited practice Saturday, dealing with what appeared to be a right leg injury.

The No. 1 overall pick of the 2014 NFL draft was active from 8 a.m. until about 10, when he moved toward the trainer’s table.

Clowney lifted his right leg several times and ice was applied. He eventually left practice on a cart.

“We’re just trying to manage him,” coach Bill O’Brien said at NRG Stadium. “He’s coming off of surgery and we’re just trying to manage him. He’s out there and he wants to go every rep. And I’m sure just like all the guys, after seven practices I’m sure he’s a little sore and we’ll just continue to manage him.”

O’Brien said Clowney didn’t tweak anything, stressing the team is simply keeping the rookie defender on a “pitch count.”

The former South Carolina star underwent sports hernia surgery during offseason workouts. He’s had a strong training camp, despite being restricted during some activities.

“I go with (trainer) Geoff Kaplan on that,” O’Brien said. “We try to measure or count how many reps he has in practice. … He wants to be in every drill, so we’ll just continue to do that.”

Clowney looked sharp again Saturday before his early exit. He blocked a Shane Lechler punt and displayed the explosiveness that made him the first pick in this year’s draft
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http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/08/texans-jadeveon-clowney-exits-practice/#25408101=0
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I dunno, what exactly are we to make of O'Brien's comments here ? It would seem that Clowney was injured but O'Brien seems to be saying otherwise ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno, what exactly are we to make of O'Brien's comments here ? It would seem that Clowney was injured but O'Brien seems to be saying otherwise ?
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The real-time, as it happened tweets tell the tale. Trainers table, icing a specific area, upset, left on a cart...
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Geppetto has evidently come out of retirement.
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Hmmm... which one of the voices do I listen to...?
the optimist:
Oh our crack medical staff is just trying to minimize the chance that Clowney reinjures his recently repaired groin area by taking him off the field. And Clowney, being a baller, isn't happy about being pulled out of the mix.

or the pessimist:
Clowney is hurt yet AGAIN!! He'll be another Mario. AAAALLways something wrong with him.

:thinking:
 
ObsiWan said:
Hmmm... which one of the voices do I listen to...?
the optimist:
Oh our crack medical staff is just trying to minimize the chance that Clowney reinjures his recently repaired groin area by taking him off the field. And Clowney, being a baller, isn't happy about being pulled out of the mix.

or the pessimist:
Clowney is hurt yet AGAIN!! He'll be another Mario. AAAALLways something wrong with him.

:thinking:
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You had me up until you said "crack medical staff".
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Geppetto has evidently come out of retirement.
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As it happened...

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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2362965#post2362965
 
This makes sense.

"I go with [Texans head trainer] Geoff Kaplan on that," O'Brien said. "We try to measure or count how many reps he has in practice and kind of keep him on a pitch count there. He wants to be in every drill, so we'll just continue to do that."

Typically that involves sitting out certain plays. This is the first time Clowney has left practice early on a cart since training camp started.
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Pitch count? WTF is that?
 
Lambert said:
It's what O'Brian said, counting the reps he gets each day, so he doesn't overwork his repaired groin----as they do in baseball, to be careful that a pitcher doesn't hurt his arm.
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I understand what a pitch count is.

This was the point.

Typically that involves sitting out certain plays. This is the first time Clowney has left practice early on a cart since training camp started.
 
Texian said:
You had me up until you said "crack medical staff".
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Maybe he meant our medical staff is on crack?

dc_txtech said:
I understand what a pitch count is.

This was the point.

Typically that involves sitting out certain plays. This is the first time Clowney has left practice early on a cart since training camp started.
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He just felt the time was right to try the cart.
 
Playoffs said:
As it happened...

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[IMGwidthsize=600]http://www.texansbullpen.com/14photogallery/Preseason/2014-08-02-TrainingCamp/Photos/DSC_0850.JPG[/IMG]


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2362965#post2362965
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With a typical groin pull (adductor muscle), you would expect the ice pack to be positioned lower over the upper inner thigh. The position of Clowney's ice pack is more centralized over the lower anterior abdominal wall/pubic bone area, more consistent with concern over the region more associated with athletic pubalgia (sports hernia).
 
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