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Selection 1.1: JaDeveon Clowney DE-OLB

Thumbs up or down on JaDaveon Clowney at 1.1?

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In two different conversations I've heard from Clowney, when people have asked him about individual stuff he has talked about how South Carolina went 11-2 and finished at #4 in the country which is the highest they finished in school history.
 
Think the kid will be better than Williams and could be great. Really liked that right after he was picked, when being interviewed by Deon Sanders, he said it was time to go to work. We will see ...
 
Found it interesting when someone asked Smith how clowney effects the linebackers on roster he assumed they meant Reed and not Mercilus and then went on about how flexible Reed is. Are we back to Reed moving inside? Does seem they are thinking clowney and Mercilus outside but we'll see.
 
deucetx said:
Does seem they are thinking clowney and Mercilus outside but we'll see.
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I hope not and I have listened to them talk a lot and I don't get that vibe.

Rick Smith said that he's not going to worry where those guys are going to play. He said Crennel is far more creative than he is with that stuff.

But I don't see how we could start Clowney and Mercilus. Both of them are primarliy pass rushers and both are better suited for the weak side where they can rush the QB most times.

At least one of the OLB's should be more of a strong side guy who can drop with some regularity.

And Mercilus isn't even good. He needs to be on the bench anyways. Reed is a limited player as well.

But I guess we'll see what they do.
 
toronto said:
Kinda but not really. I am not in the heads of NFL GMs. I saw what Buffalo paid to move up to 4 and it make me wonder what the Texans asked for the pick.
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Cleveland got nothing to move down five spots in this draft. They got nothing this year. All they got from Buffalo was next year's first & fourth.

No way that was going to fly for the first overall, to move up eight spots, not even close.

Again, Cleveland will not see any benefit from that trade until next year.
 
thunderkyss said:
Cleveland got nothing to move down five spots in this draft. They got nothing this year. All they got from Buffalo was next year's first & fourth.

No way that was going to fly for the first overall, to move up eight spots, not even close.

Again, Cleveland will not see any benefit from that trade until next year.
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You don't think next year's 1st and this year's 4th is steep for moving up 5 spots?

I suspect the Texans had no intention of ever trading this pick.
 
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014jclowney.php

Strengths:
One of the best size, speed, athletes in NFL Draft history
Extremely fast, runs as fast most wide receivers
Elite speed for an edge rusher
Intimidates offensive players and game plans
Able to beat other elite players
Dominant size
Raw, natural power
Explosion
Dominant pass-rusher
Commands double-teams
Can beat double-teams
Very disruptive
Excellent & underrated run-defender
Strong at the point of attack
Repertoire of moves
Plays his best in clutch time
Strives to be game changer
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Active hands
Able to use hands and feet at same time
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Adept at forcing fumbles
Lightning get off
Consistent source of pass pressure
Strong at shedding blocks
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Can take over games
Pursuit skills
Can rush from a variety of spots, including inside
Has the ability to drop in pass coverage as a 3-4 OLB
Good teammate
Should be able to produce quickly
Plug-and-play in any defense
Dominated college football's best conference
Tons of upside
Scheme versatile

Weaknesses:
Inconsistent motor
Took plays off, especially in 2012 season
Lackadaisical work ethic in conditioning
Can he handle the pressure?
How will he respond to money?

Player Comparison: Mario Williams. The closest thing to an edge rusher like Clowney to enter the NFL in the past decade is Williams. Like Clowney, Williams (6-6, 292) is a size-speed freak. Williams was the first-overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, and Clowney is the top player in his draft class as well. Williams has had four double-digit sack seasons in eight years. In the NFL, I think Clowney will be a better pass-rusher than Williams. Clowney is a better player entering the NFL than Williams was.

If you want some other comparisons, I think Clowney could also be compared to Julius Peppers. The veteran was an elite prospect coming out of North Carolina. There are also times where Clowney reminds me of watching old Lawrence Taylor highlights.
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Vinny said:
as in Just been Clowned? Is that what the bullpen is going to chant next season?
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May not be family friendly:

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Down because I don't think JC will be better than three players or more we could have gotten. Really more of an indictment of GM Smith. The Texans needed so much more. I guess Rick is the reason the Texans are in this position to begin with.
 
gafftop said:
Down because I don't think JC will be better than three players or more we could have gotten. Really more of an indictment of GM Smith. The Texans needed so much more. I guess Rick is the reason the Texans are in this position to begin with.
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And you know this from the wealth of historical examples of 1.1 pick trades? - or your ouija board?
 
Double Barrel said:
:thumbup

I look forward to a QB-eatin' MONSTER defense! :texflag:
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Likewise, I'm sure.

As well as a stonewalling OL. I love the way this draft unfolded. Could certainly see the difference in player types and priorities this year as opposed to years past.

Go Texans!
 
wanted manziel but they made up for it by drafting the guy with the highest upside.

still unsure if he has fast twitch muscle fibers or if he's another athletic stiff like mario williams.
 
On tonight's CBS local draft special, Clowney just said he has talked to Watt who told him he would help him out with everything in the NFL. Johnathan Joseph allegedly was "pulling for him for months and Clowney said he is looking forward to playing with Swearinger. They have some history but I missed what.
 
badboy said:
On tonight's CBS local draft special, Clowney just said he has talked to Watt who told him he would help him out with everything in the NFL. Johnathan Joseph allegedly was "pulling for him for months and Clowney said he is looking forward to playing with Swearinger. They have some history but I missed what.
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JJo and Clowney are from the same home town, Rock Hill, SC and of coarse, He and Swearinger were team mates at S Carolina.
 
drs23 said:
JJo and Clowney are from the same home town, Rock Hill, SC and of coarse, He and Swearinger were team mates at S Carolina.
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Thanks, I thought that was what he said about swear but did not want to post. All these guys are big, strong and tough. Man if Brennan WIlliams can come back healthy, we have some hosses. Those are type guys I've wanted to go with Brown and the FB should have a long career if he can remain healthy.
 
badboy said:
On tonight's CBS local draft special, Clowney just said he has talked to Watt who told him he would help him out with everything in the NFL. Johnathan Joseph allegedly was "pulling for him for months and Clowney said he is looking forward to playing with Swearinger. They have some history but I missed what.
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Clowney has three main connections on the Texans:

1. He played in with Swearinger. They know each other and I think they're friends. Swearinger was lobbying for Clowney before the draft.

2. JJo and Clowney are from the same place, Rock Hill. JJo was a very vocal proponent of Clowney's before the draft and I think they're friends, as well

3. Fitzgerald, our new S&C coach, was Clowney's S&C coach for some of the time he was there. They know each other and respect each other. I'm sure if Fitzgerald had any issues with Clowney and his work ethic, he would have made them known in private. I can't imagine him not being spoken to and I believe Rick Smith even mentioned talking to him.
 
CBS showing Clowney coming into airport saying "I am glad you chose me. You don't know how it is. I was sitting there sweating."

Ric Smith "We just had to stay true to our board."

OB agreed and very supportive of Smith. "These guys are all Texans type players." I guess he meant going forward. I want to hear AJ's take.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Clowney has three main connections on the Texans:

1. He played in with Swearinger. They know each other and I think they're friends. Swearinger was lobbying for Clowney before the draft.

2. JJo and Clowney are from the same place, Rock Hill. JJo was a very vocal proponent of Clowney's before the draft and I think they're friends, as well

3. Fitzgerald, our new S&C coach, was Clowney's S&C coach for some of the time he was there. They know each other and respect each other. I'm sure if Fitzgerald had any issues with Clowney and his work ethic, he would have made them known in private. I can't imagine him not being spoken to and I believe Rick Smith even mentioned talking to him.
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Good info and I agree, this would resolve some of my concerns. The kids has the talent and if he can just play hard he has my vote.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Clowney has three main connections on the Texans:

1. He played in with Swearinger. They know each other and I think they're friends. Swearinger was lobbying for Clowney before the draft.

2. JJo and Clowney are from the same place, Rock Hill. JJo was a very vocal proponent of Clowney's before the draft and I think they're friends, as well

3. Fitzgerald, our new S&C coach, was Clowney's S&C coach for some of the time he was there. They know each other and respect each other. I'm sure if Fitzgerald had any issues with Clowney and his work ethic, he would have made them known in private. I can't imagine him not being spoken to and I believe Rick Smith even mentioned talking to him.
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4. Lawing, our defensive quality control guy, his father was Clowney's defensive line coach during 2012. Another intimate connection
 
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Strengths:
One of the best size, speed, athletes in NFL Draft history
Extremely fast, runs as fast most wide receivers
Elite speed for an edge rusher
Intimidates offensive players and game plans
Able to beat other elite players
Dominant size
Raw, natural power
Explosion
Dominant pass-rusher
Commands double-teams
Can beat double-teams
Very disruptive
Excellent & underrated run-defender
Strong at the point of attack
Repertoire of moves
Plays his best in clutch time
Strives to be game changer
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Active hands
Able to use hands and feet at same time
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Adept at forcing fumbles
Lightning get off
Consistent source of pass pressure
Strong at shedding blocks
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Can take over games
Pursuit skills
Can rush from a variety of spots, including inside
Has the ability to drop in pass coverage as a 3-4 OLB
Good teammate
Should be able to produce quickly
Plug-and-play in any defense
Dominated college football's best conference
Tons of upside
Scheme versatile

Weaknesses:
Inconsistent motor
Took plays off, especially in 2012 season
Lackadaisical work ethic in conditioning
Can he handle the pressure?
How will he respond to money?

Player Comparison: Mario Williams. The closest thing to an edge rusher like Clowney to enter the NFL in the past decade is Williams. Like Clowney, Williams (6-6, 292) is a size-speed freak. Williams was the first-overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, and Clowney is the top player in his draft class as well. Williams has had four double-digit sack seasons in eight years. In the NFL, I think Clowney will be a better pass-rusher than Williams. Clowney is a better player entering the NFL than Williams was.

If you want some other comparisons, I think Clowney could also be compared to Julius Peppers. The veteran was an elite prospect coming out of North Carolina. There are also times where Clowney reminds me of watching old Lawrence Taylor highlights.

Okay, so "Mr. Dominant Pass Rusher" and the 2nd coming of godzilla, Julius Peppers and Lawrence Taylor had only 3 sacks all of last year. Please explain this to me? If he is only 1/4 of "all that" he should have had 3 sacks in one half of at least one game ... not all year.
 
maddogmrb said:
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Strengths:
One of the best size, speed, athletes in NFL Draft history
Extremely fast, runs as fast most wide receivers
Elite speed for an edge rusher
Intimidates offensive players and game plans
Able to beat other elite players
Dominant size
Raw, natural power
Explosion
Dominant pass-rusher
Commands double-teams
Can beat double-teams
Very disruptive
Excellent & underrated run-defender
Strong at the point of attack
Repertoire of moves
Plays his best in clutch time
Strives to be game changer
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Active hands
Able to use hands and feet at same time
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Adept at forcing fumbles
Lightning get off
Consistent source of pass pressure
Strong at shedding blocks
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Can take over games
Pursuit skills
Can rush from a variety of spots, including inside
Has the ability to drop in pass coverage as a 3-4 OLB
Good teammate
Should be able to produce quickly
Plug-and-play in any defense
Dominated college football's best conference
Tons of upside
Scheme versatile

Weaknesses:
Inconsistent motor
Took plays off, especially in 2012 season
Lackadaisical work ethic in conditioning
Can he handle the pressure?
How will he respond to money?

Player Comparison: Mario Williams. The closest thing to an edge rusher like Clowney to enter the NFL in the past decade is Williams. Like Clowney, Williams (6-6, 292) is a size-speed freak. Williams was the first-overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, and Clowney is the top player in his draft class as well. Williams has had four double-digit sack seasons in eight years. In the NFL, I think Clowney will be a better pass-rusher than Williams. Clowney is a better player entering the NFL than Williams was.

If you want some other comparisons, I think Clowney could also be compared to Julius Peppers. The veteran was an elite prospect coming out of North Carolina. There are also times where Clowney reminds me of watching old Lawrence Taylor highlights.

Okay, so "Mr. Dominant Pass Rusher" and the 2nd coming of godzilla, Julius Peppers and Lawrence Taylor had only 3 sacks all of last year. Please explain this to me? If he is only 1/4 of "all that" he should have had 3 sacks in one half of at least one game ... not all year.
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There are about a thousand pages of this regurgitation in the Draft talk section. Any question you could conceivably ask has been asked a hundred times before, and answered in a hundred different ways.
 
maddogmrb said:
Quote:
Strengths:
One of the best size, speed, athletes in NFL Draft history
Extremely fast, runs as fast most wide receivers
Elite speed for an edge rusher
Intimidates offensive players and game plans
Able to beat other elite players
Dominant size
Raw, natural power
Explosion
Dominant pass-rusher
Commands double-teams
Can beat double-teams
Very disruptive
Excellent & underrated run-defender
Strong at the point of attack
Repertoire of moves
Plays his best in clutch time
Strives to be game changer
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Active hands
Able to use hands and feet at same time
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Adept at forcing fumbles
Lightning get off
Consistent source of pass pressure
Strong at shedding blocks
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Can take over games
Pursuit skills
Can rush from a variety of spots, including inside
Has the ability to drop in pass coverage as a 3-4 OLB
Good teammate
Should be able to produce quickly
Plug-and-play in any defense
Dominated college football's best conference
Tons of upside
Scheme versatile

Weaknesses:
Inconsistent motor
Took plays off, especially in 2012 season
Lackadaisical work ethic in conditioning
Can he handle the pressure?
How will he respond to money?

Player Comparison: Mario Williams. The closest thing to an edge rusher like Clowney to enter the NFL in the past decade is Williams. Like Clowney, Williams (6-6, 292) is a size-speed freak. Williams was the first-overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, and Clowney is the top player in his draft class as well. Williams has had four double-digit sack seasons in eight years. In the NFL, I think Clowney will be a better pass-rusher than Williams. Clowney is a better player entering the NFL than Williams was.

If you want some other comparisons, I think Clowney could also be compared to Julius Peppers. The veteran was an elite prospect coming out of North Carolina. There are also times where Clowney reminds me of watching old Lawrence Taylor highlights.

Okay, so "Mr. Dominant Pass Rusher" and the 2nd coming of godzilla, Julius Peppers and Lawrence Taylor had only 3 sacks all of last year. Please explain this to me? If he is only 1/4 of "all that" he should have had 3 sacks in one half of at least one game ... not all year.
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There's only five million responses referencing the red on this forum. Instead of bringing this burned out subject up for the eight billion time, why don't you read through the Clowney threads and get caught up??

And seriously what does it matter now? He's a Texan, deal with it!
 
michaelm and mussop ... sorry you got your panties in a wad but, I have been thru the posts and I didn't see where anyone was concerned about his LACK of production. Everyone talks about his motivation and work ethic but not lack of production.

I hope he becomes great ... I'm just concerned that he's not worthy of the #1 overall pick. I would have traded down if a decent offer was there.
 
maddogmrb said:
michaelm and mussop ... sorry you got your panties in a wad but, I have been thru the posts and I didn't see where anyone was concerned about his LACK of production. Everyone talks about his motivation and work ethic but not lack of production.

I hope he becomes great ... I'm just concerned that he's not worthy of the #1 overall pick. I would have traded down if a decent offer was there.
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No worries, but the lack of production topic was covered just as extensively as every other Clowney related topic.
 
maddogmrb said:
michaelm and mussop ... sorry you got your panties in a wad but, I have been thru the posts and I didn't see where anyone was concerned about his LACK of production. Everyone talks about his motivation and work ethic but not lack of production.

I hope he becomes great ... I'm just concerned that he's not worthy of the #1 overall pick. I would have traded down if a decent offer was there.
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I don't know what thread you were reading, man. His low production was a big talking point against him. It was something I really didn't like because it seemed that he shut it down this year knowing that he was going to be a top draft pick whatever he did, and I didn't like that.

However, there are other LBs who've had a sharp decline in their sack totals the last year in college who've come in and done really well. Willie McGinnest was one who went from double digit sacks to just 3-4 his senior year. Granted, he wasn't a sack monster except in the playoffs but he was a very good OLB.

I was initially against him because of his motor and because I felt he shut it down that last year. Coach Spurrier called him out a couple of times about it during the season. And when I watched the tape, I saw a lot of plays where I felt like he could have put more effort into it.

BUT.

Despite all that, every game, he was able to pick his spots and just dominate when he wanted to. He was able to totally disrupt plays, make great TFLs in the run game, and make the offense's life hell.

So I eventually warmed up to him.

However, all of that was in the thread on him. Not THIS thread. But the thread that is devoted to him before the draft.
 
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