Wow!!! How would you go about this? If you cut him, he's free to sign wherever he wants, so career not over. If you bench him, you just completely screwed up the locker room, making a bad situation worse.
Overreact much?
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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)
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Overreact much?
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Welp...I may have been too optimistic after hearing OB talk about AJ...
Seems there are people within the organization leaking info that AJ is just doing this because of money. Wants more guaranteed money. Based on things we've heard from people in the past it wouldn't surprise me if Rick Smith was playing hard ball with Dre.
Supposedly Dre went to them last season and asked for more money.
Now they are leaking this stuff about Dre just wanting money.
Could get ugly.
Seems there are people within the organization leaking info that AJ is just doing this because of money. Wants more guaranteed money. Based on things we've heard from people in the past it wouldn't surprise me if Rick Smith was playing hard ball with Dre.
Supposedly Dre went to them last season and asked for more money.
Now they are leaking this stuff about Dre just wanting money.
Could get ugly.
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Hall of Fame
Yep, thought so. Similarly awkward way he went about it last time.
markn
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This makes no sense. Trade him and get something in return.
Don't know if this got posted earlier. Good read
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24566785/trading-frustrated-andre-johnson-would-make-no-sense-for-texans
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24566785/trading-frustrated-andre-johnson-would-make-no-sense-for-texans
Hervoyel
BUENO!
houstonspartan
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Andre's agent has lost his freaking mind.
I think this is all about him being tired of losing AND wanting to play in Cleveland. I wish he'd just come out and say so.
kingtexan
All Pro
Never said I would cut him.
True.
kingtexan
All Pro
If you coddle him don't you screw up the locker room?
Fitzgerald and Megatron have been on losing teams too. They arent crying or holding out.
I have no problem trading him if he just mans up and says trade me. My comment was geared toward him going through the media then holding out of camp. If he did that he sits and watches for three years ... or can retire.
So..... You'd sit one of your best players (who makes over $10 million a year) for 3 years just to prove a point and you think you won't lose the locker room?
And still one of the best wideouts in the league.
You're a cowboy fan aren't you?
the "88" in your sig gave you away. that's Dez Bryant's number, right?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
We've been able to throw a little money at prior AJ "situations" and make them go away without doing too much damage to the bottom line. Imagine we do the same this time.
Fitzgerald had been in the NFL one less year than AJ but has been paid $15 million more than AJ. It's AJ's fault, but that's the rub.
Yeah, AJ in his prime was a top 5 WR. Last year he dropped to 6th... out of 111 WRs. #overthehill
that kinda thinkin gets us players like ed reed.
Are you for real?
Comparing the Reed situation to the best Texans player ever?
AJ can still play at a very high level, Reed was milkin it.
I wouldn't coddle him. I'd expect him to be an important part of the offense this year and live up to his contract.
I'd trade him next year, when his cap hit get's worse.
You're feeding the troll, DB?
You're feeding the troll, DB?
I know.
drs23 likes to feed ducks, I like to feed trolls sometimes.
Just give him a bouncy ball when you're done so he can go play on a freeway.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm sorry, clearly you missed your turn in Albuquerque. The road to Stupidville is I-35 N.
Sigma
Veteran
I think the main problem is, will he put effort in his play this year? or is he really done with the team?
because, if he is, they should trade him now and get a good deal rather than keep a player that plays like crap (because he doesn't put effort in it) and then being forced to release him instead of trading him.
because, if he is, they should trade him now and get a good deal rather than keep a player that plays like crap (because he doesn't put effort in it) and then being forced to release him instead of trading him.
drs23
Veteran
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't think Andre will ever be the type to slack off on the field.
Anybody have a link to something that talks about Andre wanting more money?
If he plays, he'll play with the same effort he always does.
I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. I think ya'll blowing it way out of proportion. He's a veteran player coming off a 2-14 season for the second time. Once again starting up with a new regime and so says he's not sure of the situation. It's not the first time and it'll be worked out again just like it was the last time.
Over the hill indeed.
Do trolls follow ya to the car, pooping every other step, when ya quit feeding them?
They do actually.
Then they cry like big babies.
Maybe because McLame made a comment that when players or agents say "it's not about the money", it's always about the money
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I don't know for sure, but there was talk last year about the reason schaub had words with Dre was because he stopped short on a route...which some say he'd have been hit for a TD if he'd have kept going. He and Schaub both showed displeasure with each other and then Dre stormed off the field early...Not something you'd think he'd do
These guys are people. They aren't super heroes. I can't say what Dre will or won't do for sure. The guy has been a great football player and by all accounts to this point has been a great guy...But having said all that, I wouldn't rule out some in season trouble with Dre if this team struggles.
Being as great a player and teammate Dre has been, all that losing wears on him I'm sure. I mean...at this point, that's more than apparent.
These guys are people. They aren't super heroes. I can't say what Dre will or won't do for sure. The guy has been a great football player and by all accounts to this point has been a great guy...But having said all that, I wouldn't rule out some in season trouble with Dre if this team struggles.
Being as great a player and teammate Dre has been, all that losing wears on him I'm sure. I mean...at this point, that's more than apparent.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
hmmmm.... IF true, is this really going on or is this pre-emptive spin from over on Kirby making an Andre trade more "sellable" to the fanbase...?
I mean, think about it, all A.J. has to do is show up, go to work as he has in past years and they'll owe him $16 mil.
If Kirby paints AJ in a bad light (another greedy, diva player) then if they trade/cut him they look like they were painted into a corner. But don't they save some $$$??
You cap guys help me here. What's cheaper for the Texans' payroll, for AJ to sit or play out the contract and make his incentives??
I doubt AJ would say publicly that this is about money. If that is his goal, he should keep that behind closed doors. Any way it goes, he can surely see the end of the road. He is entering the last years of his contract, years most players never see as no one really expects teams to live with those cap hits. His cut from the roster is coming and it is coming when it serves the Texans needs, which may not be convenient for him or the remaining years of his career.
Being human, he might as well make a move to either get more guaranteed money or accelerate his dismissal. Both things would work well for him.
As a fan, I hope he comes to terms with his ultimate fate, whatever that may be, and shows up ready to go at training camp, if the team hasn't pushed ohm out the door.
Lord Bills
Destruction
he deserves it.
how many times has he restructured his contract for the sake of the team?
if the team is just interested in sucking for awhile which is what this new regime is signaling by not addressing the QB position then why not pay your greatest franchise player of all time what he's worth?
how many times has he restructured his contract for the sake of the team?
if the team is just interested in sucking for awhile which is what this new regime is signaling by not addressing the QB position then why not pay your greatest franchise player of all time what he's worth?
heymak
"I know nothing!". (Veteran)
He did restructure but if I recall didn't take cuts, just converted money to bonuses. Maybe someone in the know can confirm it.
Here's on example.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...hnson-dez-bryant-restructure-their-contracts/
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michaelm
vox nihili
The way I understood it, he never took any cuts, but just got his money sooner, probably by having his bonuses accelerated.
kingtexan
All Pro
Link please ...
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Lol, you make it sound like he took a pay cut. A restructure accelerates money into player bonuses and allows team to massage the cap #'s. In other words, the Texans have done AJ right..PERIOD
Remaining contract details: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/andre-johnson/
badboy
Hall of Fame
If it were me, I'd appeal to AJ's pride and dignity which he has always projected. He is known throughout the league for this and as example see how he was treated after Finnegan fight. He knows he has been paid & treated well. I'd explain how the offense will be ramped up for success and how D. picks should be great. A little sweetner in guaranteed money and "Fans need you AJ" should do it. I would also start working with him for an after retirement "job" that we see a lot in baseball.
silvrhand
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seriously?? The guy is getting very much top money.. he's aging and getting old er and on the down side.. sorry he's getting paid enough..
Just follow through with your committments.
houstonspartan
All Pro
LOL. I love Andre to death, and admit that he is the soul of this team.
But... no way would I do what you're suggesting.
We have restructured his contract over and over and over again. We have treated him very well. The one thing we have not done was fire the head coach when we should have. But that's all in the past.
No, love ya, 'Dre, but, it's time for the Texans to play hardball.
I'm way too excited about the possibility of a big, physical football team that O'Brien is assembling to worry about Andre. Either he gets on board, or the train leaves.
markn
All Pro
I love ''Dre and he's been my favorite player, but I'm pretty cynical about this and have to put everything AJ has done for the team to one side. I don't really care about his legacy, the hall of fame, or what laundry he's wearing when he retires. What I care about is the fact that this team is rebuilding and apparently he doesn't want to be a part of that. We have to weigh up what's best for the team in the next few years: a disgruntled, aging wide receiver, or a 2nd round pick in 2015 plus extra cap room for the next 3 years. Given we're extremely unlikely to be relevant this season, I vote for the latter.
Sigma
Veteran
If he plays, he'll play with the same effort he always does.
I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. I think ya'll blowing it way out of proportion. He's a veteran player coming off a 2-14 season for the second time. Once again starting up with a new regime and so says he's not sure of the situation. It's not the first time and it'll be worked out again just like it was the last time.
Over the hill indeed.
just to clear my point, I don't think he would play bad on purpose
I think it is possible for him to feel - let's say - less excited to play this year.
Usually if you feel excited about something you will perform better, being on the worst team in the NFL sure is a mood killer, and since this is his second time... idk, it seems reasonable that he could be going through a rough period and maybe perform less than 100%. maybe not even "by choice".
I've been bouncing this AJ thing around in my head for awhile now.
If it was all about winning I can't imagine that he wouldn't be happy that the old regime was torn down.
I think he learned something from Ed Reed. Get your money while you still can.
He wants more guaranteed money because there is no guarantee that he will remain healthy.
We could give him more money this year, a bonus, higher pay, advance on his signing bonus, etc... call it what you will. This would pacify him for now, it's money we have to pay him anyway, while also paying off more of his guaranteed money so that if he's traded next year or cut the cap hit doesn't hurt the team so much.
drs23
Veteran
Even though it might help the team in the long run I think it's a slippery slope to embark on. I think it sets a bad precedent that could haunt this team later.
I thought of that as well. It does set a bad precedent for other players but we could call it a longevity bonus, available for players in their 12th year with the Texans or more. That would virtually assure no one else would be eligible ever.
Don't the vast majority of these contracts contain injury gaurantees? I don't know if that just gaurantee's the specific year the injury occurs or the remainder of the contract if it's a career ending injury, though.
They do, but if you have more guaranteed before the injury you walk away with more after one.
I think they should give it to him. He's only got three years left, if we're lucky. He's got about $12M left in prorated roster bonus left, that is part of his cap number over the next three years.
He's got salaries of $10M, $10.5M, & $11M those three years.
His cap numbers will be $15.6M, $16.1M, & $14.7M
I'd give him a $16M signing bonus this year, adding a fourth year to his contract. Also reducing his salaries to $2M, $4M, $6M, & $8.7M
Then his cap numbers will be $12.7M, $12.7M, $12.7M, & $12.7M
We'll save $2.9M, $3.4, $2M for the first three years.
Cutting him three years from now, or trading him, or him retiring would cost us $10.7M against the cap (+ $2M)... Four years from now, it will cost us $4M (+ $8.7M).
So his current deal has him brining in $31.5M in new money.
My new deal, he'll be bringing in $28M in new money over the same time period (- $3.5M). $36.7M in new money if he stays 4 years.
If he decides to retire in 2016, or we cut or trade him in 2016 it will hurt. $16.7M in dead money.
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