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Ryan said:
27 TDs to 2 INTs in any instance is much better than above average. That would be fun to see and if they do make that trade, we should get on the phone and make a trade for Nick Foles ASAP.
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I was thinking the same thing. Wonder if they would take 33 for Foles?
 
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Interesting take I got from one NFC executive yesterday: "If Johnny (Manziel) was 6-4, 230, he'd be a slam dunk for the first pick."
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‏@BruceFeldmanCFB
IF he were 6-4, 230 Mack Brown would still be #Texas HC
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If Russell Wilson were 6'4, 230, he would be a Super Bowl champion - oh wait...

if Johnny Manziel was 6-4, 230, he likely wouldn’t run away & chuck it up

I think we’d all be better off, in general, if we were 6-4, 230.

if my uncle had boobs, he'd be my aunt.

If Teddy Bridgewater was 6'4"/230 he'd be Andrew Luck
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FirstTexansFan said:
Well if Skip Bayless says it, it must be true! :sarcasm:
Even the doubters fear he could turn into a star.

On "First Take" the other day, Gruden told me: "I think he can create offense unlike most guys I've ever seen. And he has guts, quickness, vision, and he loves the big arena, the big stage. Guys like him don't come across the map very often.

"I called plays for 14 years [in the NFL] and this is the kind of kid I'm looking for. This is the kind of quarterback I want to be around. I just get a certain feeling when I'm in the room with him. I think he permeates confidence throughout the entire building. He just has a certain magic to him."
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10868265/skip-bayless-johnny-manziel-nfl?src=mobile
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He makes some good points.
 
I don't put a lot of stock into what Bayless says, but he's saying what I've said all along. There is something special about Manziel. The guy could transform this franchise. I'm so tired of the Texans not getting any play or respect nationally. Across the U.S., and in Texas, they're considered second tier. Houston fans put them number one, but no one else cares about the team. Johnny makes the Texans relevant nationally. He makes them better at the QB position. Does he have flaws? Yes, a lot of them. Can he improve? Yes. I think the Texans need him.


If I was in the Texans organization, he would be my first pick -- hands down.

But, the Texans won't do it. They will keep the status quo of mediocrity. Drafting a DE is not going to get you to the Super Bowl. The premier teams in the league have star-power -- they always have. Manning, Brady, Elway, Favre -- all have star power and charisma to them. David Carr, Schaub, Tony Banks -- they all did not. Keenum is the only QB ever on the Texans who has had an inkling of star power. The rest have been plain vanilla.

Think about this: Johnny is just 2 inches shorter and weighs about the same as Joe Montana. Montana wasn't the most polished passer out of college. But, the guy had drive and knew how to win. Guys on his team always had his back and believed that he could do it. Aggies who played with Manziel say the same thing.

Texans need to take a chance. But, I will say again -- they don't have the guts to do it. Manziel will make the Texans pay if they don't take him. Book it.
 
What kind of play or respect do you think we deserve? We haven't done **** and most every time we're on national TV we get embarrassed.

We deride ESPN then want their affection? **** that.
 
I'd be curious to find out if Keenum's inkling of star power helped him to a better winning percentage than vanilla guys like Carr, Schaub, and Banks..
 
Allstar said:
Watt gets the star treatment. Clowney seems to be primed for media love if he produces.
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Watt has earned his. The Clown hasn't. The jury is out on Clowney until he actually plays in the NFL. Watt? He's earned the star treatment. Non-story
 
DocBar said:
Watt has earned his. The Clown hasn't. The jury is out on Clowney until he actually plays in the NFL. Watt? He's earned the star treatment. Non-story
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Best thing Watt could teach Clowney is how to reach out and touch/change the lives of our youngest. Jadeveon would become better at everything if he could learn that.
 
Conventional NFL offenses ask the quarterback to pass from the pocket - read through your progressions, then throw to the best option. That’s what the system dictates.
But Johnny Manziel isn’t a system quarterback. He built his legend at Texas A&M on his ability to freelance and improvise. He’s at his best when he’s out of the pocket on the move. When he’s scrambling, running, extending plays and creating havoc with his legs.
If you draft Manziel, he becomes your offense. His NFL team must craft a scheme that features what Johnny Football does best. That means letting go of what most offensive gurus consider sacred: their playbook.
Few offensive gurus would be willing to do that. Giving up their playbook and the ability to dictate plays would be giving up control of their own destiny as a coach.
That’s why I think there are only a handful of teams seriously considering Manziel: those teams whose head coaches have backgrounds on defense. Those coaches aren’t worried about their ego on the offensive side of the ball. They can draft Manziel, then order their offensive staff to make it work.
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Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville, Minnesota, Oakland and Tampa Bay are all in the market for a quarterback, and all select in the top 10 of the NFL draft Thursday night. All but the Texans have head coaches with defensive backgrounds.
My guess is the Browns (head coach Mike Pettine), Jaguars (Gus Bradley), Vikings (Mike Zimmer), Raiders (Dennis Allen) and Buccaneers (Lovie Smith) will all know Johnny Manziel inside and out by the time they go on the clock Thursday night.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...head-coach-likely-to-draft-johnny-manziel.ece
 
IDEXAN said:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...head-coach-likely-to-draft-johnny-manziel.ece
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OB, short of some "adjustments," will never (and should never) give up control of his offense and its playbook to a 21-year-old "partner coach".........and Manziel, even with attempts at some adjustments, will not be able to play within a well-structured OB playbook. When a QB is reasonably structured, the rest of the offense knows exactly what they need to do. When a QB is unstructured, it's virtually like playing sandlot football.........and NFL football is NOT sandlot football.
 
agproducer said:
But, the Texans won't do it. They will keep the status quo of mediocrity. Drafting a DE is not going to get you to the Super Bowl. The premier teams in the league have star-power -- they always have. Manning, Brady, Elway, Favre -- all have star power and charisma to them. David Carr, Schaub, Tony Banks -- they all did not. Keenum is the only QB ever on the Texans who has had an inkling of star power. The rest have been plain vanilla.
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Winning makes star-power not vice versa. Neither Brady nor Favre had star power coming out of college. Jeff George did. Ryan Leaf did.
 
noxiousdog said:
Winning makes star-power not vice versa. Neither Brady nor Favre had star power coming out of college. Jeff George did. Ryan Leaf did.
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For everyone you point out, I can counter. Manning (both Peyton and Eli) had satr power coming out of college. So did Elway. So did Vick (maybe he is a bad example because he has no SB). Even McNabb had some buzz coming out about him before he was drafted.

Leaf and George had character question marks when they were drafted.

I saw this on another board, but I will repeat it. The Texans are basically "The Nickelback of the NFL." And, if they keep drafting the way they do, they will continue to be that way.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
OB, short of some "adjustments," will never (and should never) give up control of his offense and its playbook to a 21-year-old "partner coach".........and Manziel, even with attempts at some adjustments, will not be able to play within a well-structured OB playbook. When a QB is reasonably structured, the rest of the offense knows exactly what they need to do. When a QB is unstructured, it's virtually like playing sandlot football.........and NFL football is NOT sandlot football.
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That's the part nobody knows. It's not even about OB specifically. There are coaches (like Kubiak) that abhor letting their QB even audible very often. He made strides in a year of Whitfield's tutelage, I'm wondering what a year of day-to-day NFL work will do.

Blake said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000346729/article/charley-casserly-johnny-manziel-wont-go-in-1st-round Charley Casserly: Johnny Manziel won't go in 1st round
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I'd bet Charley a paycheck he's wrong.
 
agproducer said:
For everyone you point out, I can counter. Manning (both Peyton and Eli) had satr power coming out of college. So did Elway. So did Vick (maybe he is a bad example because he has no SB). Even McNabb had some buzz coming out about him before he was drafted.

Leaf and George had character question marks when they were drafted.

I saw this on another board, but I will repeat it. The Texans are basically "The Nickelback of the NFL." And, if they keep drafting the way they do, they will continue to be that way.
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Right. Star power means nothing as a predictive trait.
 
badboy said:
I really like it when people say Manziel cannot do something as he will then do it. The only think he can't do is grow taller. If he is there at 33 I draft him no matter who I take in first.
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Agree. He's a good risk at 33 but a terrible risk at 1. Can't see him lasting until 33.
 
markn said:
Agree. He's a good risk at 33 but a terrible risk at 1. Can't see him lasting until 33.
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any QB can get hurt--pick the best and give them supportive cast which we can do and turn them lose. We want intelligence, he has it (32). We want a play maker, he is. We want a QB with decent arm that can toss it long, he can.
We want a leader that motivate team and takes it on his shoulders...
Risk? That is what you do if you pass on him.
 
Noxiousdog-

I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Star-power is in no way predictive of winning or success. What I'm saying is, teams that are successful usually have a QB with star power. The Texans have never had that. Manziel would bring that. I'm not saying because Manziel has star power that equates to success.

But, the Texans need a QB with star power. It is obvious that plain vanilla hasn't worked.
 
badboy said:
any QB can get hurt--pick the best and give them supportive cast which we can do and turn them lose. We want intelligence, he has it (32). We want a play maker, he is. We want a QB with decent arm that can toss it long, he can.
We want a leader that motivate team and takes it on his shoulders...
Risk? That is what you do if you pass on him.
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I don't mean the risk of him getting injured, I mean the risk of his skill-set not transferring to the nfl.

Anyway it's moot, we won't take him 1.1. If we do, I'll be back here eating crow.
 
markn said:
I don't mean the risk of him getting injured, I mean the risk of his skill-set not transferring to the nfl.

Anyway it's moot, we won't take him 1.1. If we do, I'll be back here eating crow.
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Gravy helps--believe me, I know.
 
agproducer said:
Noxiousdog-

I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Star-power is in no way predictive of winning or success. What I'm saying is, teams that are successful usually have a QB with star power. The Texans have never had that. Manziel would bring that. I'm not saying because Manziel has star power that equates to success.

But, the Texans need a QB with star power. It is obvious that plain vanilla hasn't worked.
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You're getting the formula backwards.

Success creates star power; not vice versa.
 
noxiousdog said:
You're getting the formula backwards.

Success creates star power; not vice versa.
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So, the Mannings weren't successful in college? They were stars coming out of college. Manziel is 20-6 as A&M's starter. Does he not have star power?

I'm saying the Texans need that. I'm tired of the team being boring without a real, vocal leader on offense.

Who are the leaders the Texans have had? Carr? Schaub? Tony Banks? Mario?

The only ones I can think of are Watt, Cush and Andre. Only Watt and Cush are vocal. Andre has a quiet calm about him. He leads by example. Sometimes, players need a kick in the pants from a peer. There is no vocal leader on offense.
 
agproducer said:
So, the Mannings weren't successful in college? They were stars coming out of college. Manziel is 20-6 as A&M's starter. Does he not have star power?

I'm saying the Texans need that. I'm tired of the team being boring without a real, vocal leader on offense.

Who are the leaders the Texans have had? Carr? Schaub? Tony Banks? Mario?

The only ones I can think of are Watt, Cush and Andre. Only Watt and Cush are vocal. Andre has a quiet calm about him. He leads by example. Sometimes, players need a kick in the pants from a peer. There is no vocal leader on offense.
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I hear you and I´d welcome Manziel - but he is a real risky player. Manning was a sure thing, he had it all. Manziel might be the next Tebow, Vince Young or out of the league because some defender killed him. There is a big question mark, if he will workout in the NFL. If you take him, you bank the next 4 years of this team on him. If you are wrong, we are in "hell" for the next years.

All the while, there are several players that WILL make this team better and help this team win, perhaps for the next 10 years. Robinson and Matthews look like sure starters/stars, Clowney and Mack look like impact players that will wreak havoc, Waktins and Evans look like stars to me. Not selecting a QB first overall may be a smart thing, if no QB is worth being selected first overall. And that`s what the scouts are trying to decide. If they think, Manziel is worth being picked first, they will pick him.
 
LikeMike said:
I hear you and I´d welcome Manziel - but he is a real risky player. Manning was a sure thing, he had it all. Manziel might be the next Tebow, Vince Young or out of the league because some defender killed him. There is a big question mark, if he will workout in the NFL. If you take him, you bank the next 4 years of this team on him. If you are wrong, we are in "hell" for the next years.

All the while, there are several players that WILL make this team better and help this team win, perhaps for the next 10 years. Robinson and Matthews look like sure starters/stars, Clowney and Mack look like impact players that will wreak havoc, Waktins and Evans look like stars to me. Not selecting a QB first overall may be a smart thing, if no QB is worth being selected first overall. And that`s what the scouts are trying to decide. If they think, Manziel is worth being picked first, they will pick him.
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You are right. Manziel is the ultimate boom-bust pick. But, I think his potential to boom is much greater than his potential to bust. I've said that all along.

There are other really great players in the draft, but the QB position is the most influential position on the field. I think if it comes down to a great DE versus a better than average QB in the draft -- you take the QB. The other QBs don't do it for me. I have questions on all of them, but the fewest on Manziel.
 
agproducer said:
So, the Mannings weren't successful in college? They were stars coming out of college. Manziel is 20-6 as A&M's starter. Does he not have star power?
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Of course they were successful. That's why they were stars coming out of college.

I'm saying the Texans need that. I'm tired of the team being boring without a real, vocal leader on offense.
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Ok. I'm not sure that star power means leader. I'm not a sure a rookie can step in and be a leader.

But I'm ok with saying that if Manziel is successful, he'll likely be a good leader.
 
LikeMike said:
I hear you and I´d welcome Manziel - but he is a real risky player. Manning was a sure thing, he had it all. Manziel might be the next Tebow, Vince Young or out of the league because some defender killed him. There is a big question mark, if he will workout in the NFL. If you take him, you bank the next 4 years of this team on him. If you are wrong, we are in "hell" for the next years.

All the while, there are several players that WILL make this team better and help this team win, perhaps for the next 10 years. Robinson and Matthews look like sure starters/stars, Clowney and Mack look like impact players that will wreak havoc, Waktins and Evans look like stars to me. Not selecting a QB first overall may be a smart thing, if no QB is worth being selected first overall. And that`s what the scouts are trying to decide. If they think, Manziel is worth being picked first, they will pick him.
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None of the bolded are as likely as a "good" starting QB to have an impact on the team's W/L record. It doesn't matter if it's Manziel, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr or someone else. The Texans traded their starter, they need another one if they hope to see the Sunny side of 8-8.
 
Doesn't matter what any of us think. The Texans aren't selecting JM Thursday night, and probably not Friday night if he fell although that is iffy.

The Texans prefer Bortles. End of story.

So, all you JM fans can get an early start by crying in your beer tonight instead of waiting until Thursday.

As far as Casserly, I would be surprised, but not totally shocked if Manziel fell out of round one as he is a true boom/bust prospect.
 
The last thing the Texans want is for folks to think they're drafting manziel at 1.1 because it kills the trade -up value for teams thinking of clowney. Since McClain only gets told what the Texans want him to spew as misdirection, I can only think he's doing a Jack Nicholson impression.
 
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The last thing the Texans want is for folks to think they're drafting manziel at 1.1 because it kills the trade -up value for teams thinking of clowney. Since McClain only gets told what the Texans want him to spew as misdirection, I can only think he's doing a Jack Nicholson impression.
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I don't think McNair really cares. His mind is made up. It's 48 hours before the draft.
 
Texian said:
Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
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Possibly. I think if we're not trading then you are right, but I'm hanging my hopes on a trade down because I don't love anyone at 1.1 and we've got a shed-full of needs. My understanding is that a lot of these trades go right down to the wire. In which case I'd expect the Texans media mouthpiece to be bigging up clowney. I don't believe anyone is contemplating trading up for anyone else.
 
Texian said:
Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
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And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
 
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And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
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I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
 
htownfan32 said:
And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
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McNair is going to defer to the coaching staff. O'Brien will make the first decision on whether he wants a QB at 1.1. If he makes the decision to go defense with the first pick, he will mostly defer to Crennel, who'll make the decision whether it's going to be Clowney or Mack.

If OB decides to go QB, McNair will press for Manzel, but will defer to OB if he insists on Bortles.
 
Texian said:
I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
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I agree with you. When a prospect's name gets thrown out a lot I tend to think the team will lean the other way but I can't shake that Bortles is just physically speaking the best fit to what BOB wants. The mental stuff I'm sure BOB is confident he can teach Bortles during the coaching process.
 
Texian said:
I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
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I agree that BOB probably like Bortles. There's a few connections between them.
I bet McNair is losing sleep over Manziel. He's probably just as tantalized by the upside and as terrified by the downside as every other person who's interested in the draft or the NFL. It's certainly has me all over the map.

Maybe if this goes down like the Bowie-Jordan draft, the Texans will end up with the NFL version of Olojuwon.
 
DocBar said:
I agree that BOB probably like Bortles. There's a few connections between them.
I bet McNair is losing sleep over Manziel. He's probably just as tantalized by the upside and as terrified by the downside as every other person who's interested in the draft or the NFL. It's certainly has me all over the map.

Maybe if this goes down like the Bowie-Jordan draft, the Texans will end up with the NFL version of Olojuwon.
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I'd rather get Jordan and Michael Young

with a trade with Cleveland.
 
badboy said:
I'd rather get Jordan and Michael Young

with a trade with Cleveland.
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But I bet you would be perfectly happy if the Texans draft a 1st ballot HOF'er at 1.1 Thursday night!! :kitten:

And no trades in this mock!!! :D
 
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