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Clowney, then what?

NCTexan said:
That's exactly his plan. He said he has 2 more, at least one with a trade.
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I think he's just doing his due diligence. No one has a clue what the Texans are thinking right now. His mocks show that he's just like the rest of us.

Talent evaluation is not McClains strong suit. I don't think he's tried to sell anyone on anything different. People like to read what he thinks, so he prints that.
 
Texan ownership came out early seemingly sold on Clowney, building a case to take him so other teams who covet his services need to be ready to win a bidding war :thisbig:
 
Blake said:
McClain went from Bortles, to Manziel and now to Clowney in his mocks. I guess he can say he was right if it is one of them.
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All analysts do that as do amateurs like me and others. Data changes as well as thoughts on position of need and value.
 
badboy said:
All analysts do that as do amateurs like me and others. Data changes as well as thoughts on position of need and value.
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Tania Ganguli said "McClain has vehemently insisted the Texans will take a quarterback with the top pick."

Nothing has changed since he mocked Bortles and Manziel to the Texans. It just makes him look foolish to "vehemently" say we are going QB, and then switch to Clowney with everyone else.

I have mocked 2 players to the Texans. Bridgewater and Clowney. And while they fill different needs, I never once said "vehemently" that we will draft a certain position.

If we can agree that McClain is simply switching around simply for page clicks and to do radio spots then fine.
 
Texian said:
Yep, still flabbergasted at the the number of media and talking heads who were completely over the moon after watching a man jump over a bean bag and then pick up a tennis ball.
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It's a drill meant to show explosive power and balance, I'm not sure why you think it's some sort of hedonistic ritual compared to anything else.
 
bhsman said:
It's a drill meant to show explosive power and balance, I'm not sure why you think it's some sort of hedonistic ritual compared to anything else.
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I DON'T! BUT .... there were sure a lot of media and talking heads who were down right giddy at his ability to jump and pick up a tennis ball.
 
bhsman said:
It's a drill meant to show explosive power and balance...
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The bags & balls drill is a test Lions/Eagles/Titans coach Jim Washburn has been using for years. (Washburn got his first gig at SMU in 1976.) The only significance of Clowney's performance was that no one had ever jumped 7 bags and snatched the balls before. Not Javon Kearse, who Washburn coached in Tennessee, not anyone he's tested. Interesting, but it ain't football.
 
Jags coach Gus Bradley talks about Clowney
"Physically, his appearance, you don't see many guys that are built like him, with the size and the speed and the agility that he has," Bradley said of Clowney.

Clowney's motivation has been an issue with some analysts, but Bradley professes not to be worried.

"You're always looking for that guy that wants to be great, and I think that's what you try to find out in your conversations," Bradley said. "And that comes through him, I think, when you talk to him. He might need direction, but that's our job as a coaching staff.

"You just get a real sense that this guy wants to be great, and to surround him with players that know what it takes, I think, will be very beneficial for him. We always look at does he have enough humility to identify his weaknesses because, if he has that, you know he has a chance to get better. And I do sense humility from him."
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Texian said:
Sounds like ole Gus is trying to talk the Texans in to taking Clowney #1. And that humility will be long gone moments after receiving that first check from his $20 million+ GTD contract.
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Noted internet character analyst, TexansTalk forum user Texian. :p
 
Blake said:
Tania Ganguli said "McClain has vehemently insisted the Texans will take a quarterback with the top pick."

Nothing has changed since he mocked Bortles and Manziel to the Texans. It just makes him look foolish to "vehemently" say we are going QB, and then switch to Clowney with everyone else.

I have mocked 2 players to the Texans. Bridgewater and Clowney. And while they fill different needs, I never once said "vehemently" that we will draft a certain position.

If we can agree that McClain is simply switching around simply for page clicks and to do radio spots then fine.
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Can we agree instead that McClain is talking out his keester as usual?
 
disaacks3 said:
Can we agree instead that McClain is talking out his keester as usual?
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He's not doing anything different than the rest of us, with the only difference being he gets paid to do it, and we do it for fun.

The article on NFL.com that says

There's a theory making the rounds in draftnik circles that Clowney is shutting down private workouts because he's already been told that he will be the No. 1 pick.
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I would think that would be a pretty big tell that anyone could figure out if true. What happened to playing their cards close to the vest?

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You can't blame the guy for wanting protect himself. I myself tore a pectoral muscle during warmups while playing baseball as a youngin'. So it happens and I think that is also why you saw Clowney take last season off for the most part. I think whomever is giving this kid advice is doing a good job and should be commended.
 
Nitrofish said:
You can't blame the guy for wanting protect himself.
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Yes I can blame him. All he cares is protecting himself. LOL. Other guys are working their asses off, in workouts and in games, while this guy all he cares about is himself. A big red flag if I ever saw one. He will probably do the same in the NFL.

I didn't see JJ Watt protecting himself, before the draft or during games. I saw him give every effort every play.

Football is a contact sport, if a player's first priority is "protecting himself", it means he's half assing it. I wouldn't touch Clowney with a 10 foot pole.
 
pirbroke said:
My prediction, somebody is going to give us a lot to trade down, I would not be surprised if it's RG3 level of picks.
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If Clowney had 15 sacks in 2013 your prediction would've a higher probability. With only 3 sacks your prediction has a much lower probability.
 
Nitrofish said:
I would think that would be a pretty big tell that anyone could figure out if true. What happened to playing their cards close to the vest?
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I mentioned earlier that in the past it was important to the Texans that they had the #1 pick signed before the draft. It was one of the reasons we took Mario before Reggie. I'd think the new CBA would make it even easier to happen.

So I wouldn't be surprised if we are in talks, or signaled that we're ready to begin talks about a contract. But that doesn't mean he'll be the pick. Supposedly we were trying to talk to Reggie Bush's "peeps" before we turned to Mario.

Nitrofish said:
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You can't blame the guy for wanting protect himself. I myself tore a pectoral muscle during warmups while playing baseball as a youngin'. So it happens and I think that is also why you saw Clowney take last season off for the most part. I think whomever is giving this kid advice is doing a good job and should be commended.
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Except it keeps coming up. Is he going to be saving himself for the divisional games? Is he going to half ass it unless we're playing on prime time? Is he going to wait until we're playing an elite team? Is he going to wait until we're in the play-offs? The Conference Championship game? The Super Bowl? What's he going to do his contract year?

Sooner or later, there's got to be a limit. I like the kid (don't want to draft him), up 'til now, I've never questioned his work ethic. But it's getting old.
 
Texian said:
If Clowney had 15 sacks in 2013 your prediction would've a higher probability. With only 3 sacks your prediction has a much lower probability.
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I don't know, a lot of teams weigh traits as much as production. And it just seems the media has a huge man-crush on Clowney that is only growing every week. Remember it only takes one team to make the trade. Somebody's going to give the farm.
 
thunderkyss said:
I mentioned earlier that in the past it was important to the Texans that they had the #1 pick signed before the draft. It was one of the reasons we took Mario before Reggie. I'd think the new CBA would make it even easier to happen.

So I wouldn't be surprised if we are in talks, or signaled that we're ready to begin talks about a contract. But that doesn't mean he'll be the pick. Supposedly we were trying to talk to Reggie Bush's "peeps" before we turned to Mario.



Except it keeps coming up. Is he going to be saving himself for the divisional games? Is he going to half ass it unless we're playing on prime time? Is he going to wait until we're playing an elite team? Is he going to wait until we're in the play-offs? The Conference Championship game? The Super Bowl? What's he going to do his contract year?

Sooner or later, there's got to be a limit. I like the kid (don't want to draft him), up 'til now, I've never questioned his work ethic. But it's getting old.
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This. I was thinking about this the other day, when I kept hearing he is taking plays off because he doesn't want to get hurt, doesn't want to risk anything. I say try to trade the pick away, and give me another Watt, Demeco, Cushing, even Foster. Guys that give it their all regardless of how they feel.
 
Yaky said:
Yes I can blame him. All he cares is protecting himself. LOL. Other guys are working their asses off, in workouts and in games, while this guy all he cares about is himself. A big red flag if I ever saw one. He will probably do the same in the NFL.

I didn't see JJ Watt protecting himself, before the draft or during games. I saw him give every effort every play.

Football is a contact sport, if a player's first priority is "protecting himself", it means he's half assing it. I wouldn't touch Clowney with a 10 foot pole.
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The difference is going into his senior season Watt wasn't a projected 1-1 pick. The only reason Clowney wasn't 1-1 in the 2013 draft was because of NCAA rules. These are 2 totally different situations.

This just in all 275/300 lbs including Watt don't play hard on every down. I just wonder what all of these NFL idealists would do if put in Clowney's shoes with millions of $$$$ on the line for his family?

I bet these tough guys may look at things a little differently. BTW, posters who make Clowney out to have been playing like some scrub last yr are flat out wrong. He just didn't play at the star level he did the yr before while taking on chips and double teams.
 
steelbtexan said:
The difference is going into his senior season Watt wasn't a projected 1-1 pick. The only reason Clowney wasn't 1-1 in the 2013 draft was because of NCAA rules. These are 2 totally different situations.

This just in all 275/300 lbs including Watt don't play hard on every down. I just wonder what all of these NFL idealists would do if put in Clowney's shoes with millions of $$$$ on the line for his family?

I bet these tough guys may look at things a little differently. BTW, posters who make Clowney out to have been playing like some scrub last yr are flat out wrong. He just didn't play at the star level he did the yr before while taking on chips and double teams.
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Sure glad they don't chip and double team in the Big Boy League. :spy:
 
steelbtexan said:
The difference is going into his senior season Watt wasn't a projected 1-1 pick. The only reason Clowney wasn't 1-1 in the 2013 draft was because of NCAA rules. These are 2 totally different situations.

This just in all 275/300 lbs including Watt don't play hard on every down. I just wonder what all of these NFL idealists would do if put in Clowney's shoes with millions of $$$$ on the line for his family?

I bet these tough guys may look at things a little differently. BTW, posters who make Clowney out to have been playing like some scrub last yr are flat out wrong. He just didn't play at the star level he did the yr before while taking on chips and double teams.
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Yep, I saw andrew luck dogging it his last yr in college. Peyton too. What about Suh his last yr? If you watch the 2012 season,u see the same guy. The difference in production was coaches and college tackles found out was, just double kick. Double kick for speed rush and his ability to do something else is done. Go watch how many times he runs by the qb or is pushed by the qb in 2012 and 2012. We're talking college players,not nfl quality guys who can recover.
 
JB said:
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As a pass rusher, you have a certain angle to the qb. After the snap on a speed rush,the quality pass rushers get upfield,then convert the speed to power and reduce the pocket of the qb. With clowney, once he gets upfield,he's upfield,he doesn't convert speed to power or change his direction. Clowney will fare well vs undiscipline qbs who don't climb or step inside the pocket. Those guys stay in his angle because the drift into it. Go watch the games vs clemson when boyd literally gift wrapped sacks for him.That's where dee fords blind dog comment come from.

In drills vs dummies and air it appears clowney can change directions and look bendable until you watch the tape. There are many times when he's just pushed by the qb and pushed out of the play.
 
leebigeztx said:
Yep, I saw andrew luck dogging it his last yr in college. Peyton too. What about Suh his last yr? If you watch the 2012 season,u see the same guy. The difference in production was coaches and college tackles found out was, just double kick. Double kick for speed rush and his ability to do something else is done. Go watch how many times he runs by the qb or is pushed by the qb in 2012 and 2012. We're talking college players,not nfl quality guys who can recover.
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Different situations Manning/Luck were born into wealthy families Clowney?

Clowney is 21 yrs old. Is there a better chance that he will improve or wont, because I think we can all agree that he has the talent. I know I was much better at my job at 30 than I was at 21. How about you?
 
infantrycak said:
This just in all 275/300 lbs including Watt don't take seasons off.

We're talking a season, not a play here and there.
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Some do,

We aren't going to agree with each other on this. If I were in Clowney's shoes I would've done exactly the same thing. (Make a good business decision) Others have done the same thing in the past.
 
steelbtexan said:
Different situations Manning/Luck were born into wealthy families Clowney?

Clowney is 21 yrs old. Is there a better chance that he will improve or wont, because I think we can all agree that he has the talent. I know I was much better at my job at 30 than I was at 21. How about you?
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I've always had a great work ethic. Whether it was the 14 yards I used to mow with my friend when I was 10,the job I had at kfc in high school,the track work I put in as a d-1 college basketball player or the businesses I own and operate. I've been a hard worker from making minimum wage to half a million. When I speak to kids at church and high schools I tell them about work ethic. Work ethic is the fabric of your character. As my dad says all the time, nobody will outwork me.

Its easy to say he's 21, he'll get better. That's the easy way out, but I know this season he got outworked by a lot of guys and that bother me. I mean, I've said this before, if college o-line coaches can reduce him to pretty no production, what about the best in the world? We've never had a guy rated so high with such poor performance as a pass rusher. Even the so called dogs mario and peppers were far superior.
 
leebigeztx said:
I've always had a great work ethic. Whether it was the 14 yards I used to mow with my friend when I was 10,the job I had at kfc in high school,the track work I put in as a d-1 college basketball player or the businesses I own and operate. I've been a hard worker from making minimum wage to half a million. When I speak to kids at church and high schools I tell them about work ethic. Work ethic is the fabric of your character. As my dad says all the time, nobody will outwork me.

Its easy to say he's 21, he'll get better. That's the easy way out, but I know this season he got outworked by a lot of guys and that bother me. I mean, I've said this before, if college o-line coaches can reduce him to pretty no production, what about the best in the world? We've never had a guy rated so high with such poor performance as a pass rusher. Even the so called dogs mario and peppers were far superior.
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Now I see where you're coming from and I was raised the same way. I can definitely see where your concerns are valid.

With that said, kids today are raised differently than you and I were.
 
inebacker Brian Cushing said South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney is going to make an immediate impact in the NFL.


"A guy like Jadeveon Clowney is obviously going to be an instant-impact player, whether it's us picking him or somebody else," Cushing said Monday on "The SXM Blitz" on Sirius XM Radio. "I think he's going to be a great football player in the NFL. He's going to do a great job.

"Like I said, whether it's with us or someone else, he could definitely improve our defense or somebody else's. We'll see what happens."

Cushing, who was the Texans' first-round pick in the 2009 draft, said he pays attention to the draft and the draft process.

"I watch every draft," said Cushing, who has been limited to just 12 games over the past two seasons because of injuries. "It's what I do: I'm a football player, so I watch every guy coming in and who's going to help our football team and how we're going to improve overall."
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...great-football-player?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb
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OK so that does it, Cushing is a Clowney fan so nothing remains to be done but sign him on the dotted line. Now ! End of story.
 
steelbtexan said:
Peppers/Moss/George/Wilkinson just to name a few off of the top of my head.
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I never heard that Peppers took a year off, or any concerns about Moss's work ethic. Off field concerns for Moss in plenty but he was a top talent on the field

Don't know which george or wilkinson you are talking about
 
Yaky said:
Yes I can blame him. All he cares is protecting himself. LOL. Other guys are working their asses off, in workouts and in games, while this guy all he cares about is himself. A big red flag if I ever saw one. He will probably do the same in the NFL.

I didn't see JJ Watt protecting himself, before the draft or during games. I saw him give every effort every play.

Football is a contact sport, if a player's first priority is "protecting himself", it means he's half assing it. I wouldn't touch Clowney with a 10 foot pole.
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This should be you avatar.
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Each of these threads (Clowney, Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles) is a no-win for everybody involved. Nobody is changing their minds and the circular discussion is way past old.

Really can't wait for the actual draft to get here so we can inject some new discussion into this forum.
 
If it wasn't for the whole Texas A&M thing, most of the objective posters on this board would clearly see the Clowney defenders are WAY more annoying than the Manziel lovers or even the VY fans. The excuses you guys make for Clowney are simply laughable. The guy took a whole freaking season off and basically just runs with a full head of steam straight ahead with very little variation or skill in his pass rush moves! Other than an athletic freak of nature, I really do not understand what you people see in this guy. At least be honest with yourselves (like PencilNeck was) and admit you simply want him on the Texans because you don't like anyone else enough. But the whole defense for Jadeveon Clowney is just weaksauce.

IF he learns some pass rush moves and doesn't take plays (or whole games) off once he gets paid, Clowney could be a phenomenal football player. I am happy to admit that and would be a fool not to. But that is a huge IF.
 
steelbtexan said:
The difference is going into his senior season Watt wasn't a projected 1-1 pick. The only reason Clowney wasn't 1-1 in the 2013 draft was because of NCAA rules. These are 2 totally different situations.

This just in all 275/300 lbs including Watt don't play hard on every down. I just wonder what all of these NFL idealists would do if put in Clowney's shoes with millions of $$$$ on the line for his family?

I bet these tough guys may look at things a little differently. BTW, posters who make Clowney out to have been playing like some scrub last yr are flat out wrong. He just didn't play at the star level he did the yr before while taking on chips and double teams.
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You're pissing in the wind. These guys don't like Clowney so their not going to listen reason. Bottom line is There is only a handful of REAL NFL personnel that have a problem with Clowneys performance or effort last year. Let these guys cry and wine and act like they are smarter than all those REAL NFL personnel guys and enjoy the fact that even though we didn't suck during a year when a Luck or RG111 were available, we still are going to end up with an elite prospect.
 
infantrycak said:
Oooh such a well reasoned response. Here you dropped your avatar:

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It was as well thought out response as the one I was responding to. It's all it deserved. To suggest he took the whole season off is borderline trolling. Here you dropped your avatar.
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