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2014 Texans Talk Mock Draft SELECTION

TexansFTW said:
And that's certainly your right and I respect your opinion. I will also just say I worry Cruse will never amount to anything on this team and will be cut soon. If he can't make a mark on STs his days in this league and especially the Texans are numbered.
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You're probably right about Cruse. But I will say that Cruse impressed me last preseason more than Martin ever has.
 
TexansFTW said:
Untrue. They would incur $4.2 MM dead money. He was JUST signed to a 5/30 MM deal. That's not slot WR money, he's not playing slot and he is not being cut next year.

There is a modern day obsession with slot WRs due to the emergence of some really great WRs like Welker, Cruz, and a few others, but many offenses don't really support a slot WR. Bill Lazor is the new OC in Miami, coming from Philly and Chip Kelly. Their offense featured a "slot" WR in Jason Avant having ~800 offensive snaps (more than Victor Cruz). Avant ended the year with like 40/450.

The obsession with slot WRs has just gone out of control. People were obsessing with the possibilities of Keshawn Martin preseason and I told them all that Garrett Graham would be the true beneficiary of the slot WR role and they damn near laughed me out of the thread because they had this vision of Wes Welker in their heads...
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You need to check the numbers again. Cutting Hartline next season saves the Dolphins over 7M. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/brian-hartline/. Zero dead money after this season. His deal was for only 12.5M guaranteed.

As for all the other stuff you said, I'm not sure how that applies. If Robinson is a better #2, Hartline will play the slot. He's better at it than Robinson would be anyway IMO. Most likely, they'd just cut him though as they will need to money to make a few key resignings.

Edit: actually spotrac looks to be wrong here, should have run the numbers myself. Even still, it would be worth cutting him as he isn't worth 7+M and they'll need the money. 3M or so isn't much for one year but when you factor in the 7+M for two more years, he isn't worth it.
 
I kinda like Rishard Matthews as a slot WR for the Dolphins. That guy is really talented and just starting to come into his own.
 
Bengals select Kareem Martin, DE, UNC.

Fits a position of need and is the best left DE on my board and not far off from here on my big board. Though I've seen him ranked lower.
 
NCTexan said:
Bengals select Kareem Martin, DE, UNC.

Fits a position of need and is the best left DE on my board and not far off from here on my big board. Though I've seen him ranked lower.
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Same, and I thought he'd be a steal at lower positions, but here or early 3rd is where he should be going in accordance with his talent.

Also never hurts to select a kid from your university :fingergun:
 
htownfan32 said:
Same, and I thought he'd be a steal at lower positions, but here or early 3rd is where he should be going in accordance with his talent.

Also never hurts to select a kid from your university :fingergun:
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For some reason I didn't like him when I was reading up on him and down graded him to a 4th rounder. He is the lowest rated player selected off my big baord.

What do you guys like about him?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
For some reason I didn't like him when I was reading up on him and down graded him to a 4th rounder. He is the lowest rated player selected off my big baord.

What do you guys like about him?
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Well, he's big and strong. He can move around a bit on the line on different downs because of it, which is nice. I didn't see a whole lot of UNC this year, only a few games, but I liked what I saw. He's a nice replacement for Johnson. They are pretty similar.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
For some reason I didn't like him when I was reading up on him and down graded him to a 4th rounder. He is the lowest rated player selected off my big baord.

What do you guys like about him?
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Length, decent off the snap, strength at initial contact and good ability to shoot the gap. 4-3 run-stopping end more than a pass rusher, but improving use of hands and developing pass rush moves would turn him into a very fine 4-3 all around end. Wouldn't expect him to be a sack machine, but I can see him with good TFL and stifling the run.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
For some reason I didn't like him when I was reading up on him and down graded him to a 4th rounder. He is the lowest rated player selected off my big baord.

What do you guys like about him?
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IMO, he doesn't get enough hype...

PLAYER A
Size: 6-6, 272
Arm: 35
40-Yard: 4.72
10-Yard: 1.53
3-Cone: 7.20
Bench: 22
Vert: 35.5
Broad: 10-9

PLAYER B
Size: 6-5, 266
Arm: 34 (1/2)
40-Yard: 4.53
10-Yard: 1.56
3-Cone: 7.27
Bench: 21
Vert: 37.5
Broad: 10-4


PLAYER A
Tackles:178
TFL: 45.5
Sacks: 19.5
PD: 13
FF: 4

PLAYER B
Tackles: 130
TFL: 47.0
Sacks: 24.0
PD: 7
FF: 9


PLAYER A is Kareem Martin, who many people have pegged as a 2nd-3rd round pick. PLAYER B is Jadeveon Clowney, who many people have pegged as the best defensive prospect in years. I don't see a huge difference...
 
The San Francisco 49ers select....


Keith McGill - CB - Utah - Pac-12


With the departure of incumbent CB’s Carlos Rogers and Tarell Brown, the 49ers are relying on in-house CB’s Chris Culliver and Tramaine Brock to start. However, they need a 3rd CB to man the outside in Nickel packages when Brock shifts down to the slot. My original intention was to draft Kyle Fuller to compete for a starting job, but he was snatched up in front of me in the 1st round (I grudgingly applaud New Orleans for that great pick) and I had to change tack. In the real draft, they have the ammunition to trade up to make sure they get Fuller just like they did with Eric Reid last year.

SF runs a lot of press man and McGill certainly has the body type to excel as a press corner. He needs technique work in press coverage and some overall development and refinement, but I think he has the requisite skills to play CB in the NFL. He will compete with the newly signed Chris Cook and recently re-signed Eric Wright for the #3 CB job.
 
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WolverineFan said:
The San Francisco 49ers select....


Keith McGill - CB - Utah - Pac-12


With the departure of incumbent CB’s Carlos Rogers and Tarell Brown, the 49ers are relying on in-house CB’s Chris Culliver and Tramaine Brock to start. However, they need a 3rd CB to man the outside in Nickel packages when Brock shifts down to the slot. My original intention was to draft Kyle Fuller to compete for a starting job, but he was snatched up in front of me in the 1st round (I grudgingly applaud New Orleans for that great pick) and I had to change tack. In the real draft, they have the ammunition to trade up to make sure they get Fuller just like they did with Eric Reid last year.

SF runs a lot of press man and McGill certainly has the body type to excel as a press corner. He needs technique work in press coverage and some overall development and refinement, but I think he has the requisite skills to play CB in the NFL. He will compete with the newly signed Chris Cook and recently re-signed Eric Wright for the #3 CB job.
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This was a guy I was looking at for one of my teams. He reminds me of Darius Slay from last yrs draft. Hopefully he's more productive.
 
steelbtexan said:
This was a guy I was looking at for one of my teams. He reminds me of Darius Slay from last yrs draft. Hopefully he's more productive.
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He definitely needs some work but unlike some of the other "big CBs" in this draft I think he actually has a future at the position.
 
TexansSeminole said:
You need to check the numbers again. Cutting Hartline next season saves the Dolphins over 7M. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/brian-hartline/. Zero dead money after this season. His deal was for only 12.5M guaranteed.

As for all the other stuff you said, I'm not sure how that applies. If Robinson is a better #2, Hartline will play the slot. He's better at it than Robinson would be anyway IMO. Most likely, they'd just cut him though as they will need to money to make a few key resignings.

Edit: actually spotrac looks to be wrong here, should have run the numbers myself. Even still, it would be worth cutting him as he isn't worth 7+M and they'll need the money. 3M or so isn't much for one year but when you factor in the 7+M for two more years, he isn't worth it.
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Well when Hartline is still on that team in 2015, they don't use a top 2 pick on a WR, and Hartline never plays the slot until the final days of his career I guess we will see.
 
TexansFTW said:
Well when Hartline is still on that team in 2015, they don't use a top 2 pick on a WR, and Hartline never plays the slot until the final days of his career I guess we will see.
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That very well could happen, I was just giving my opinion on what I think would be best for them after a WR was drafted by Miami here in this mock. It makes a lot of sense to me.

They've got Pouncey, Charles Clay, Odrick and Matt Moore to resign or make a decision on in 2015 and they are pretty up against it in that year as is.

WolverineFan, you took one of my guys for the Bucs!
 
TexansFTW said:
Well when Hartline is still on that team in 2015, they don't use a top 2 pick on a WR, and Hartline never plays the slot until the final days of his career I guess we will see.
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I'm not Dennis Hickey. My ideas for the Fins are likely to be different than his, and I see Hartline as an unnecessary expenditure. You'll have to excuse me if I find the idea of paying Hartline his current salary for 10 career touchdowns a bit dumb. There's a chance Hickey might find it dumb too, given it was a Jeff Ireland contract.
 
WolverineFan said:
IMO, he doesn't get enough hype...

PLAYER A
Size: 6-6, 272
Arm: 35
40-Yard: 4.72
10-Yard: 1.53
3-Cone: 7.20
Bench: 22
Vert: 35.5
Broad: 10-9

PLAYER B
Size: 6-5, 266
Arm: 34 (1/2)
40-Yard: 4.53
10-Yard: 1.56
3-Cone: 7.27
Bench: 21
Vert: 37.5
Broad: 10-4


PLAYER A
Tackles:178
TFL: 45.5
Sacks: 19.5
PD: 13
FF: 4

PLAYER B
Tackles: 130
TFL: 47.0
Sacks: 24.0
PD: 7
FF: 9


PLAYER A is Kareem Martin, who many people have pegged as a 2nd-3rd round pick. PLAYER B is Jadeveon Clowney, who many people have pegged as the best defensive prospect in years. I don't see a huge difference...
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I really like Martin.
 
I always like doing these because I always learn about some players that I wouldn't have been aware of otherwise.

Martin's one of those guys. He was not on my radar at all.
 
Just want to point out that Tampa does have a 3rd rounder (#69) but not a 4th rounder. The draft order shows that the Jets have it.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Just want to point out that Tampa does have a 3rd rounder (#69) but not a 4th rounder. The draft order shows that the Jets have it.
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I will correct. NFL.com showed that the Jets owened it, because at the time they did. The Revis release changes it from a 3rd to a 4th. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Thanks to all that are keeping this thing moving. The selection list is up to date.

Via Proxy, Texan4Ever and the San Diego Chargers select:

Jeremiah Attaochu - LB - Georgia Tech
 
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The end of round 2 should come quick since we have duplicate members picking. So people at the top of round 3 need to get their boards ready. Thanks.

On a side note, if anyone is wanting to join, or add a team, the Jets are open.
 
I'm way higher on Martin than the consensus. I've got him as a late first round talent going to Denver at #31 in my mock. He's not a finished product yet but I have a hard time believing that I'm the only one who rates him that high.

On another note, I've seen Mewhort rated highly in some places so I get the pick for the Ravens. But I've got him rated as a 6th round talent. IMO, best case scenario he's a career backup at RT or a below average starter at LG. Never been impressed with him. The name on the front of his jersey is doing him a lot of favors.

That doesn't mean it's a bad pick. I just think it's interesting how viewpoints can differ so drastically.
 
bah007 said:
I'm way higher on Martin than the consensus. I've got him as a late first round talent going to Denver at #31 in my mock. He's not a finished product yet but I have a hard time believing that I'm the only one who rates him that high.

On another note, I've seen Mewhort rated highly in some places so I get the pick for the Ravens. But I've got him rated as a 6th round talent. IMO, best case scenario he's a career backup at RT or a below average starter at LG. Never been impressed with him. The name on the front of his jersey is doing him a lot of favors.

That doesn't mean it's a bad pick. I just think it's interesting how viewpoints can differ so drastically.
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I've got Martin rated as a 3rd rder. He's got the talent to become a 1st rder. Hopefully he puts it all together and becomes the player that his talent level says he can be.
 
Martin is one of those guys that I could have just whiffed big or gotten a steal. It's a position a need and I personally (with the risk and everything) have him rated around there on my big board. I've seen him all over the place though.


From watching him in person he definitely flashes high level talent but also isn't completely consistent yet. I don't think he's going to be the best rookie, but in a few years I think he'll be one of the better edge rushers in the league.
 
I thought that Crichton might fall to me but he didn't, so I will go another direction. Sproles is in Philly, Pierre Thomas is getting old, and Mark Ingram just plain sucks. With that said....
The New Orleans Saints select the best back in the draft
Bishop Sankey- RB- Washington
 
I PM'd Texian, he's around the forum on another thread. Upcoming picks:

27(59) Indianapolis Colts (Texian)
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29(61) San Francisco 49ers (WolverineFan)
30(62) New England Patriots (WolverineFan)
31(63) Denver Broncos (Blake)
32(64) Seattle Seahawks (Bah007)
 
Hey all,

I just wanted to let everyone know I really appreciate commentary on my picks. I'm relatively new to evaluating players (only seriously started for the mock draft last year, and casually a year before that) and want to get better, so hearing from everyone is really appreciated.
 
With the 59th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Indianapolis Colts select: Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State.
 
Texian said:
With the 59th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Indianapolis Colts select: Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State.
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The Colts certainly could use some interior OL help. Jackson will be a rock that stops all of the pressure up the middle on Luck as well as improving the running game. Surely your not through strengthing the Colts OL? Who is currently their starting center? LOL
 
WolverineFan said:
Proxy pick for bah007 via PM.

The Carolina Panthers select...

Brandon Thomas - OT - Clemson - ACC
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If the Texans draft Clowney 1-1 and Garappolo 2-1 I hope they trade into the botton of the 2nd and pick Thomas. Thomas is one of my favorite OL in this draft. Strong/long arms/good feet at 6'3 he's a little short for a OT but can play that position. He will be a great OG.

Top 40 IMHO Great pick.
 
The New England Patriots select...

Weston Richburg - C - Colorado State - MWC

I have Richburg as my top rated Center and the Pats have a huge need there. Ryan Wendell graded out as one of the worst Centers in the league last year and is now gone via Free Agency. Richburg offers a huge upgrade as a pass blocker and has the strength to take on NT's in the run game (something Wendell was awful at). This is a big upgrade on an interior line that really needs it.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I've got an uneasy feeling that Adams is going to bust. This may have to do with my dislike of any/everything Fresno St. bias.
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He's extremely raw. Didn't start playing football until his junior year of high school. Redshirted his freshman year at Fresno State so he's only played 4 seasons of football. Lots of room for potential growth, but also some risk in taking an unfinished product who's never played in a real offense.

He has great physical gifts though and, if developed properly, he could explode.
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
I see him projected as a guard because of his size. This is one of those guys where the various grades on him vary pretty wildly.
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I see him projected as an OG too, and that's where I have him as well, but he did measure extremely long arms at the combine and has plus athleticism for the position. Carolina has needs all over the O-Line so that guy is likely starting somewhere even if it's not LT.
 
NCTexan said:
Hey all,

I just wanted to let everyone know I really appreciate commentary on my picks. I'm relatively new to evaluating players (only seriously started for the mock draft last year, and casually a year before that) and want to get better, so hearing from everyone is really appreciated.
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I feel the same way. And I implore the same. Doing so helped me to realize that although Kony Ealy has sick upside, he might not be a fit for the Texans under Romeo C (even though Walter Football has him listed as a 3-4 DE: http://walterfootball.com/draft2014DE3-4.php).

There is a fine line between commentary and critique and attacking, so take everything in this area with a grain of salt (from me anyway) and feel free to throw it back if you think I do something dumb.

I don't like the Saints drafting ANOTHER RB. They have way too many needs on the defensive side of the ball getting adjusted to Rob Ryan's D and they already have several RBs on the squad. Ingram, Thomas (just extended), Robinson, etc.

steelbtexan said:
If the Texans draft Clowney 1-1 and Garappolo 2-1 I hope they trade into the botton of the 2nd and pick Thomas. Thomas is one of my favorite OL in this draft. Strong/long arms/good feet at 6'3 he's a little short for a OT but can play that position. He will be a great OG.

Top 40 IMHO Great pick.
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Hey bro, this isn't another of your fantasy scenario threads. Texans didn't draft Clowney 1-1 and take loser Jimmy 2-1. You get that talk out of here.
 
TexansFTW said:
I don't like the Saints drafting ANOTHER RB. They have way too many needs on the defensive side of the ball getting adjusted to Rob Ryan's D and they already have several RBs on the squad. Ingram, Thomas (just extended), Robinson, etc.
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Saints have a ton of needs and RB isn't necessarily one of them. That said, hard for me to hate the pick because Sankey is my #1 rated RB in the draft and he's an instant starter for New Orleans. Looks like a pure BPA selection.
 
Denver Broncos have a glaring hole in the middle of their linebacking core.

Shayne Skov - LB - Stanford

Could be a little high for Skov, but I think he fills a drastic need for the Broncos, and is still getting back into form. Instincts, instincts, instincts. I didnt think he would make it back to me in the 3rd.
 
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