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Clowney, then what?

Grin spreads across Clowney's face when he's asked about going to the Texans, "I hope so."

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Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Clowney said if he had the option of leaving after his sophomore season, he would have.

Clowney: I was just trying to help my team win games. I wasn't worried about my draft stock.

Clowney: I just want to be the best. One of the greatest of all time.
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Matthew Fairburn ‏@MatthewFairburn
Jadeveon Clowney said he told Antonio Richardson to not let his mouth get him in trouble. Said he was looking forward to that matchup.


Clowney said the talk that he considered sitting out the season is nonsense.

Clowney said he was never worried about his draft stock.

Clowney believes he'll get better once he goes to the NFL.

Clowney on the hit: A lot of people expected stuff that was impossible.

Clowney said one if his goals is go No. 1. Says his greatest strength is his speed. Hoping to run a 4.4. 40.

Clowney has nothing to say about Spurrier's effort comments. That's just his opinion Clowney says. "I did work hard. You pull out any practice tape and it'll show that."

Jadeveon Clowney at the podium now. Very quiet guy.
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mike freeman ‏@mikefreemanNFL
Mayock really does not like Clowney. Sheesh.

Clowney is done and he walks off the podium with OK effort.
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Jadeveon Clowney is detailing his flight issues and delays out of Charlotte. Winning hearts and minds of reporters, who all nod knowingly.
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infantrycak said:
At 266 lbs I don't think it is much of a stretch.

3-4 DE's under Crennel
310 lbs Seymour
300 lbs Ty Warren
310 lbs Alvin McKinley
320 lbs Orpheus Roye
315 lbs Robaire Smith
320 lbs Shaun Smith
313 lbs Corey Williams
310 lbs Kelly Gregg
316 lbs Glenn Dorsey
290 lbs Ropati Pitotua
295 lbs Tyson Jackson

Nobody even remotely close to Clowney. Now that last pair is only a hair off of JJ and Antonio.
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Drafted by the Chiefs in the Herm Edwards regime as a penetrating defensive tackle for the Tampa-2, 4-3 defense in the mold of Tommie Harris or Warren Sapp, Dorsey was then moved to defensive end in 2009 when Todd Haley and then Romeo Crennel installed the 3-4 defense used by the Patriots.

During his rookie season, Dorsey had just one sack despite starting 16 games as the three-technique tackle, lining up on the guard’s outside shoulder. After moving to defensive end in a 3-4 - where, granted, sacks are not the best measurable to evaluate a defensive lineman - he collected just three more over the next four seasons while never really becoming a run stuffer either.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Has-Glenn-Dorsey-shed-the-bust-label.html
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As Texans's fans, this should be our biggest concern about the defense that
Crennel will probably operate as we've got to wonder if JJ ends up having the same fate that former LSU great Glenn Dorsey did when he was with the Chiefs playing for Crennel, who was then HC but playing in Crennel's D.
Say what you want to about Wade Phillips, but it's too bad Crennel and other
NFL DCs don't have the kind of adaptability & flexibility that Phillips had.
 
infantrycak said:
At 266 lbs I don't think it is much of a stretch.

3-4 DE's under Crennel
310 lbs Seymour
300 lbs Ty Warren
310 lbs Alvin McKinley
320 lbs Orpheus Roye
315 lbs Robaire Smith
320 lbs Shaun Smith
313 lbs Corey Williams
310 lbs Kelly Gregg
316 lbs Glenn Dorsey
290 lbs Ropati Pitotua
295 lbs Tyson Jackson

Nobody even remotely close to Clowney. Now that last pair is only a hair off of JJ and Antonio.
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Yep

Clowney would be an awesome version of McGinest/Justin Houston in RC's defense.
 
IDEXAN said:
Drafted by the Chiefs in the Herm Edwards regime as a penetrating defensive tackle for the Tampa-2, 4-3 defense in the mold of Tommie Harris or Warren Sapp, Dorsey was then moved to defensive end in 2009 when Todd Haley and then Romeo Crennel installed the 3-4 defense used by the Patriots.

During his rookie season, Dorsey had just one sack despite starting 16 games as the three-technique tackle, lining up on the guard’s outside shoulder. After moving to defensive end in a 3-4 - where, granted, sacks are not the best measurable to evaluate a defensive lineman - he collected just three more over the next four seasons while never really becoming a run stuffer either.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Has-Glenn-Dorsey-shed-the-bust-label.html
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As Texans's fans, this should be our biggest concern about the defense that
Crennel will probably operate as we've got to wonder if JJ ends up having the same fate that former LSU great Glenn Dorsey did when he was with the Chiefs playing for Crennel, who was then HC but playing in Crennel's D.
Say what you want to about Wade Phillips, but it's too bad Crennel and other
NFL DCs don't have the kind of adaptability & flexibility that Phillips had.
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Everybody want to know what BOB will do, but then ignores what he has said. We will not run any type of base system, but will instead run variations from all systems. He plans to be flexible based on match-ups. That's music to my ears.

But now we get pontification about whether players meet the specs of a system they assume we will run, directly in conflict with what has been said.

This variability is anticipated on both sides of the ball and on the line. Some Zone Blocking, some power schemes, some variations. We need athletes that can do multiple things from multiple systems.
 
IDEXAN said:
As Texans's fans, this should be our biggest concern about the defense that
Crennel will probably operate as we've got to wonder if JJ ends up having the same fate that former LSU great Glenn Dorsey did when he was with the Chiefs playing for Crennel, who was then HC but playing in Crennel's D.
Say what you want to about Wade Phillips, but it's too bad Crennel and other
NFL DCs don't have the kind of adaptability & flexibility that Phillips had.
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I think Tyson Jackson is a better comparison to Watt than Dorsey is. Here's some numbers.....

Tyson Jackson in college - 53 games, 17.0 sacks (0.32 spg)

TJ as a pro (under RC) - 59 games, 5.0 sacks (0.08 spg)

TJ as a pro (w/o RC) - 15 games, 4.0 sacks (0.27 spg)
 
Marshall said:
Everybody want to know what BOB will do, but then ignores what he has said. We will not run any type of base system, but will instead run variations from all systems. He plans to be flexible based on match-ups. That's music to my ears.

But now we get pontification about whether players meet the specs of a system they assume we will run, directly in conflict with what has been said.

This variability is anticipated on both sides of the ball and on the line. Some Zone Blocking, some power schemes, some variations. We need athletes that can do multiple things from multiple systems.
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I totally agree with this post.

But to play devil's advocate, it's not like you can play with 11 DEs or 11 LBs on the field. To some degree, regardless of what you are going to do schematically you still have to have the personnel to fit.
 
Marshall said:
Everybody want to know what BOB will do, but then ignores what he has said. We will not run any type of base system, but will instead run variations from all systems. He plans to be flexible based on match-ups. That's music to my ears.

But now we get pontification about whether players meet the specs of a system they assume we will run, directly in conflict with what has been said.

This variability is anticipated on both sides of the ball and on the line. Some Zone Blocking, some power schemes, some variations. We need athletes that can do multiple things from multiple systems.
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Everybody runs nickels and dimes in passing situations in the NFL these days, but you've got to have a base-scheme for your defense, and not just for first downs. And your examples there are of course for offensive schemes, but I heard O'Brien make no claim they'd intersperse 3-4 2-gap schemse with 4-3 penetrating gap defenses.
We know what the Patriots used when Crennel was there and what the Chiefs used when he was the DC and then HC there, and I expect Crennel and not O'Brien will be making the basic decision about the defense.
 
Marshall said:
Everybody want to know what BOB will do, but then ignores what he has said. We will not run any type of base system, but will instead run variations from all systems. He plans to be flexible based on match-ups. That's music to my ears.
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That's coach speak for, "I don't even know what I got yet... how you gonna ask me what we're going to run?"


But like everyone else, we generally revert back to what we know, especially when going gets tough.

Granted, New England does mix it up more than most, so we'll see.
 
Not that I like or dislike clowney,but I think the argument doesn't make sense of where he can play. I've watched enough of him to say,he's either a 4-3 de or olb. He's big and ethletic enough to stand up. He can stand guys up and shed. I don't question what he can do,I question and witnessed the frequency at which he does it.

Unlike a lot of people, I know its very hard to give 100% all the time,that's reality. I agree with bill polian when he said that he didn't pursue and cause fumblesor jarring hits like he could have. I mean that's a plan and a very effective one when teams run away from you. I've watched enough to see teammates pass him on the way to the football. I mean defensive tackles and such passing him in pursuit. Clowney is the kind of athlete coaches love to have as a talent.
 
Should help us make the right choice...

Jadeveon Clowney: Breer: Clowney 'very close' with HOU staffer

South Carolina edge player Jadeveon Clowney was "very close" to current Texans staffer, and former Gamecock strength coach, Craig Fitzgerald during the prospect's freshman year.

This is an interesting development. Obviously Clowney then spent two seasons without Fitzgerald on staff, but the connection can be made, especially with some questioning Clowney's work ethic.
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Videos:
Combine: Clowney presser (Part 1)

Combine: Clowney presser (Part 2)

Combine: Clowney presser (Part 3)
 
infantrycak said:
At 266 lbs I don't think it is much of a stretch.

3-4 DE's under Crennel
310 lbs Seymour
300 lbs Ty Warren
310 lbs Alvin McKinley
320 lbs Orpheus Roye
315 lbs Robaire Smith
320 lbs Shaun Smith
313 lbs Corey Williams
310 lbs Kelly Gregg
316 lbs Glenn Dorsey
290 lbs Ropati Pitotua
295 lbs Tyson Jackson

Nobody even remotely close to Clowney. Now that last pair is only a hair off of JJ and Antonio.
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And the OLBs on those defenses were around Clowney's size?
What bothers me is that I've never seen an OLB that didn't have some cover responsibilities - be they a lot or a little, they will have to cover RBs or TEs - I've never heard/seen any one rave about Clowney's cover skills. His raw speed, yes. Cover skills, not so much.
That's where I was going with my question to backwards Possum.:)
 
ObsiWan said:
And the OLBs on those defenses were around Clowney's size?
What bothers me is that I've never seen an OLB that didn't have some cover responsibilities - be they a lot or a little, they will have to cover RBs or TEs - I've never heard/seen any one rave about Clowney's cover skills. His raw speed, yes. Cover skills, not so much.
That's where I was going with my question to backwards Possum.:)
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I agree with your concern. I don't think he is a good fit for the Texans at all. He looks like he needs to go be the prototype 4-3 DE for some team to me.
 
Clowney is my pick. To me, he's the best player in this draft. If we pass on him to take a QB, I'd like Bridgewater from that group. Ideally I'd like Clowney and then whichever QB after; Garoppolo or even McCarron.
 
Lucky said:
Along with Reggie Bush's, Clowney has the most impressive high school highlight reel I've seen. Freaky.
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I've said this here before but Clowney and Adrian Peterson are the two guys I remember who could have gone straight to the NFL after high school.
 
Lucky said:
Along with Reggie Bush's, Clowney has the most impressive high school highlight reel I've seen. Freaky.
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But is that really a valid comparison ? Many, many people were wondering about the wisdom of taking Bush 1.1 after he wasn't in the backfield instead of fellow back White on that fateful 4th down play vs UT in the national championship game, while nobody would doubt anybody but Clowney on the los vs an Andrew Luck or a Peyton Manning or whoever on third and long when the game is on the line.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's coach speak for, "I don't even know what I got yet... how you gonna ask me what we're going to run?"


But like everyone else, we generally revert back to what we know, especially when going gets tough.

Granted, New England does mix it up more than most, so we'll see.
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That is certainly possible, but I hope he sticks to a plan of variability.
 
PapaL said:
We have a need for a QB. We'd be fools to think otherwise. Is Blake/Johnny/Teddy better than Clowney AND Garoppolo/McCarron? I'd say no but only time will tell.
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Why leave one side of the equation shy?

How about is Blake/Johnny/Teddy & Dee Ford/Amaro/Van Noy/Richardson better than Clowney & Garoppolo/McCarron?
 
leebigeztx said:
He's not any more special than simeon rice,jevon kearse,or jason taylor. If he gets to where he's as good as those guys,that would be a win.
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Given multiple time pro bowlers/all pro DE's over any QB's in the top 3 I will take the DE. You get Rice/Taylor/Kearse at worst at best you get Bruce Smith/Richard Dent/Deacon Jones.

You tell me who has the lowest floor/ceiling? Clowney or the QB's?
 
steelbtexan said:
Given multiple time pro bowlers/all pro DE's over any QB's in the top 3 I will take the DE. You get Rice/Taylor/Kearse at worst at best you get Bruce Smith/Richard Dent/Deacon Jones.

You tell me who has the lowest floor/ceiling? Clowney or the QB's?
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Lowest floor?
Bortles
Manziel
Clowney
Bridgewater

Lowest ceiling?
Bridgewater
Manziel
Bortles
Clowney

Clowney is not quite the boom or bust pick that two of the QBs are and he's not the low risk/low reward that Bridgewater is considered to be.

But Jason Taylor/Jevon Kearse/Simeon Rice as his floor is an absolute joke.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Cushing got 30 reps. Jared Allen got 13. JJ Watt got 34. Robert Quinn got 22.
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Thanks TPN.

I guess the word on Clowney was that he was some physical freak show.

So far he has been relatively light, and not particularly strong. Unless he REALLY blazes with his speed, I'm not seeing it.


This is a freak show.
6’7 295
40-yard dash - 4.66
225 bench press - 35 reps
vertical jump - 40.5"
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Thanks TPN.
This is a freak show.
6’7 295
40-yard dash - 4.66
225 bench press - 35 reps
vertical jump - 40.5"
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True, that was outstanding. But, Mario is a stiffer athlete than Clowney. I would compare Clowney more to Aldon Smith. Their athleticism shows up more on the field than the gym.
 
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