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Clowney, then what?

thunderkyss said:
While I think McCarron & Murray should be at the top of this draft

McCarron & Murray are the only guys in this draft I'd think about starting day 1


& Aaron Murray looks a lot like Russell Wilson to me.
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Murray is 6"3 though, so how can you like him at the top of the draft considering he doesn't fit that certain height you made up yourself.
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm not sure if you're playing or being serious. Coming off 13 sacks,4 of which came in the last game vs clemson,why would he be the 1st in the history of cf to be schemed against? Peppers had 15 sacks as a freshman,I guess they didn't do anything to contain him right? After marios soph yr, I guess they just let him do whatever too right?
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Exactly.

But when you point to Clowney's lack of production this year, it's usually met by a chorus of "he was double-teamed and chipped on every play" and "teams were scheming against him" like he was the only player to ever face such a thing.
 
4.47/4.48 with 1.56 10 yard splits on both attempts, unofficial first 40 yard dash.

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matts290 said:
Murray is 6"3 though, so how can you like him at the top of the draft considering he doesn't fit that certain height you made up yourself.
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I didn't say you can't draft a guy 6'3" in the first round. I said no one shorter with the 1st overall. He'd have to be extremely gifted in untangibles to be a better prospect than other prototypical specimens at their position.

I don't have a problem drafting any of this year's top three outside of the top 10. I've been pretty consistent about that.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Exactly.

But when you point to Clowney's lack of production this year, it's usually met by a chorus of "he was double-teamed and chipped on every play" and "teams were scheming against him" like he was the only player to ever face such a thing.
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Not the only one but the level at which it was done was considerable. Still he had a bigger impact on games than given credit for. Sacks are not the only way to judge impact.
 
Can't say i'm not loving those 40 times and 10 yard split for Clowney......Something's just holding me back about that dude though.
 
IMHO Clowney's decision to pass on the field drills validates all questions and red flags about his work ethic.
 
mussop said:
What the hell were you expecting?
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Too often game tape speed doesn't really translate & you always hear the scouts "he plays faster than that.." well, no he doesn't. In addition to that You always here guys talking about what they have run before...or what they want to run at the combine & then they run slower than that.

So for him to declare what he runs & then actually follow thru on that.....just wasn't expecting that. That speed we see on tape actually translates. That bodes well for him in my eyes...it goes a long way in making me feel more comfortable with him if the Texans chose him over TB.
 
Mr teX said:
Too often game tape speed doesn't really translate & you always hear the scouts "he plays faster than that.." well, no he doesn't. In addition to that You always here guys talking about what they have run before...or what they want to run at the combine & then they run slower than that.

So for him to declare what he runs & then actually follow thru on that.....just wasn't expecting that. That speed we see on tape actually translates. That bodes well for him in my eyes...it goes a long way in making me feel more comfortable with him if the Texans chose him over TB.
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Ok I read your original response wrong. Dope!!!! Didn't see "not" in there. :fingergun:
 
Texian said:
IMHO Clowney's decision to pass on the field drills validates all questions and red flags about his work ethic.
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Guess we'll have to draft Teddy Bridgewater. :fingergun:

John F. Murphy ‏@draftjm13
#NFLCombine Anthony Barr does 15 reps is there going to be same vigor to tear down his game as Clowney @SigmundBloom @nfldraftscout
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Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko
If I am going to make a mistake in the draft, I am going to make it by taking an all-world talent like Clowney If it doest work out so be it

Warren Sapp criticizing Clowney for not taking Combine seriously.. He must forget that he failed Multiple drug tests at the combine in 1995

With his speed teams can't just leave him unblocked like other wide DE. He's too fast and explosive, they have to dedicate a blocker

Get point by Greg Cossell on Clowney. He changes how teams have to block run plays. Must be accounted for on backside when running away.

People complaing about Clowney no doing Bag Drills.. Here is Clowney putting that W Drill to game use http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIu22jokKKk …

If Khalil Mack comes out and runs like a 4.80 this afternoon (I dont think he will).. the Mayock excuse train will be at full steam ahead

This Mike Mayock - Clowney **** is getting old quick. We get it Mayock you hate the kid.
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This is one of the weirdest years to have the #1 overall pick. Every single one of these guys has tons of question marks. Clowney's freakish athleticism makes it super tough to pass on him.
 
Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Jadeveon Clowney official 40 time- 4.53
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"My second day here, he just jumped on me. Oh yeah, I love guys like that. I like being coached up hard." -- Clowney on Texans DL coach Bill Kollar.
 
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Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko
With his speed teams can't just leave him unblocked like other wide DE. He's too fast and explosive, they have to dedicate a blocker
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Another thing about Clowney..... not only is he fast & explosive, he's got a nose for the football. Like Demeco Ryans. He sniffs the ball out extremely fast & he gets to it.

One real criticism I had of Mario is that he didn't find the ball quick enough. He could be totally unblocked at times thinking the RB has the ball & miss out on a sack.

Then the running himself out of the play.... that's Mario's slow twitch muscles. Once he's past the QB, the play for him is over unless the QB stupidly runs into his path. That won't be an issue with Clowney. Once he gets past the QB, he's got the fast twitch muscles & flexibility to come back & explode into the QB.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I love this quote........concise and to the point.
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The decision on the 1.1 in this Draft for the Texans is far more difficult than the 1.1 decision they were faced with in 2006 because with the Texans already having David Carr as their QB that position was not a consideration/option.The downside for a mistake this year for O'brien is much more than it was for Kubiak in 2006.
 
Warren sapp talked about how saw clowneys tape and couldnt stand watching it. He said he had to pause it and just walk around the room and and be ashamed of what he saw on tape. He said there was no aggressiveness or hunt on many plays and he looked like he didnt love the game. That theres only one way to play the game and that is with your hair on fire and he didnt see it in clowney.
 
stingray said:
Warren sapp talked about how saw clowneys tape and couldnt stand watching it. He said he had to pause it and just walk around the room and and be ashamed of what he saw on tape. He said there was no aggressiveness or hunt on many plays and he looked like he didnt love the game. That theres only one way to play the game and that is with your hair on fire and he didnt see it in clowney.
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Yeah, that was a little perplexing to me considering all I've heard out of Sapp regarding Clowney has been nothing but praise.
 
thunderkyss said:
Another thing about Clowney..... not only is he fast & explosive, he's got a nose for the football. Like Demeco Ryans. He sniffs the ball out extremely fast & he gets to it.

One real criticism I had of Mario is that he didn't find the ball quick enough. He could be totally unblocked at times thinking the RB has the ball & miss out on a sack.

Then the running himself out of the play.... that's Mario's slow twitch muscles. Once he's past the QB, the play for him is over unless the QB stupidly runs into his path. That won't be an issue with Clowney. Once he gets past the QB, he's got the fast twitch muscles & flexibility to come back & explode into the QB.
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40 tackles, 0 ff ,3 sacks is a nose for th football? Yeah,right.
 
klockWork said:
Exactly. If we make a mistake at QB on 1:1, it's 4-5 years of purgatory.
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If u miss on any top pick it sets u back. Not as much now with the rookie wage scale. Cleveland missed on weeden,but they also missed on richardson. Even if you miss on your top pick,you still have 6 or 7 more picks. Imagine if New Orleans didn't draft colston,nix,and the othr guard who went to tampa. The texans basically hit on mario,demeco,winston,and daniels. I thought spencer would've been a pro bowl type before injury. Its not just the top guy.
 
ReliantTexan said:
Yeah, that was a little perplexing to me considering all I've heard out of Sapp regarding Clowney has been nothing but praise.
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I think Sapp loves Clowney's ability but hates his mindset.

Wouldn't be surprised. Sapp was a guy that had his motor running all the time.
 
bah007 said:
I think Sapp loves Clowney's ability but hates his mindset.

Wouldn't be surprised. Sapp was a guy that had his motor running all the time.
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Yep. We've seen physical freaks who played hard with skill and we've seen physical freaks who don't. I mean, jevon kearse measures out to clowney in every category physically. Kearse played hard even though he didn't really have a good counter move to his speed rush. Jason Taylor at 6'6 240 lbs was very unique as a physical prospect. That dude went from small school athletic guy,to one of the most complete and disruptive players in his 15 years.

Clowneys 40 time didn't surprise,excite,or disapoint me. Kearse ran a 4.56 in the 40,this isn't something new or mind blowing. He's a good enough athlete on paper,but his frequency of game changing plays are the concern.
 
bah007 said:
I've long thought that Kearse and Clowney are very similar.

Clowney can't touch Jason Taylor, IMO.
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I know,I'm just talking in terms of physical size even though taylor was thinner. That dude got better every yr. Hate he was wasted on some of those qb less miami teams. When I watch clowney,I keep seeing kearse. Except kearse had the v8 and clowney has the chevy volt motor,lol.
 
leebigeztx said:
I know,I'm just talking in terms of physical size even though taylor was thinner. That dude got better every yr. Hate he was wasted on some of those qb less miami teams. When I watch clowney,I keep seeing kearse. Except kearse had the v8 and clowney has the chevy volt motor,lol.
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I totally agree with that take.
 
Texian said:
Two words for you, Aundray Bruce .
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Bruce was never highly decorated coming out of HS. He wasn't highly rated until he came after he had 1 big yr and came out for the draft. Clowney has been highly rated throughout.

Bruce also had nowhere near the natural ability Clowney has. But you already know that.

The 4 people that had Clowney type ability that comes to mind are Bruce Smith/Reggie White/Deion Samders/Lawrence Taylor.

Whether Clowney puts it together is the big question.
 
steelbtexan said:
Bruce was never highly decorated coming out of HS. He wasn't highly rated until he came after he had 1 big yr and came out for the draft. Clowney has been highly rated throughout.

Bruce also had nowhere near the natural ability Clowney has. But you already know that.

The 4 people that had Clowney type ability that comes to mind are Bruce Smith/Reggie White/Deion Samders/Lawrence Taylor.

Whether Clowney puts it together is the big question.
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How many big years did clowney have in college. To say he's anywhere close to those 4 guys in terms of talent is not even being close to objective unless you just started watching football.

Reggie White had 100 tackles when he had 20 sacks. Oh yeah,he was 300lbs ran a 4.6 ish and dominated all the time despite double,triples and chip. Clowney is nowhere in the stratospeher of those guys in terms of talent or production. Hey,that's your opinion though.
 
stingray said:
Warren sapp talked about how saw clowneys tape and couldnt stand watching it. He said he had to pause it and just walk around the room and and be ashamed of what he saw on tape. He said there was no aggressiveness or hunt on many plays and he looked like he didnt love the game. That theres only one way to play the game and that is with your hair on fire and he didnt see it in clowney.
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"Warren needs to watch his own film. *laughs* It wasn't too different...

The psychological tests will be dispositive, so you look at those. If he turned out to be low on drive, low on desire, low on work ethic that would be a concern. If he comes out just average or better on those three, he's home free." -- Bill Polian

Schefter reporting an NFL GM's investigation said JdC was: Somebody who's tough on the football field, who you want to go to battle with, someone you want on your side.

McShay: "He's gonna be a hot item if he gets out of that #1 spot."
 
He has Hanesworth written all over him.

Skipped the on-field drills at the combine because he did not like the starting position then claimed to have a hip flexor?
 
leebigeztx said:
If u miss on any top pick it sets u back. Not as much now with the rookie wage scale. Cleveland missed on weeden,but they also missed on richardson. Even if you miss on your top pick,you still have 6 or 7 more picks. Imagine if New Orleans didn't draft colston,nix,and the othr guard who went to tampa. The texans basically hit on mario,demeco,winston,and daniels. I thought spencer would've been a pro bowl type before injury. Its not just the top guy.
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Agreed it's not just the top guy. But if you get a Dalton type QB at 1-1 (I think all 3 of them would have done well if they become as good as Dalton.)

But we've rehashed this already. I want BPA Clowney/Robinson. You're a TB guy and if TB is the pick I will be a huge TB fan and hope that you're right. Although I think boardroom BoBBy will insist that JM be the pick.
 
If Billy O'Brien doesn't deem any of the top QBs to be franchise guys, I really don't see how any of us can have an issue with taking Clowney. His natural talent and skillset yields such a ridiculous upside that you simply cannot afford to swing for the fences with this guy. If he ends up busting, so be it.
 
leebigeztx said:
How many big years did clowney have in college. To say he's anywhere close to those 4 guys in terms of talent is not even being close to objective unless you just started watching football.

Reggie White had 100 tackles when he had 20 sacks. Oh yeah,he was 300lbs ran a 4.6 ish and dominated all the time despite double,triples and chip. Clowney is nowhere in the stratospeher of those guys in terms of talent or production. Hey,that's your opinion though.
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I didn't say he has the numbers. I just said he has that kind of rare ability.

4.48 at 265 and is only 21 yrs old. He will easily be 280-290 at 25 and be able to add the strength that's currently missing. IF Fitzgerald signs off on Clowney's work ethic then he should be the pick. But due to the Manziel Aggy done good thingy the Texans will probably blow the pick. You and I will be unhappy, but Lord Bills will probably jizz all over himself.
 
I have really been cooling off on Clowney recently. First the comments from Spurrier just left a bad taste in my mouth, and his bench and 3 cone times were unimpressive. After looking more into some of the other premier pass rushers in this draft, I am starting to feel Clowney has less of a gap over some of these guys; if any at all on a couple of them.
 
I have come to the conclusion and strictly IMHO I believe that Jadevon Clowney smokes a lot of dope. Not only do I think he smokes a lot of dope, I think he smokes a lot of dope all the time. He may be a true Rastafarian. :)

Why? everything is humorous, lackadaisical attitude, often has a hey man whatever no big deal response, is not goal oriented, lazy eyes half open, lazy speech. I expect he missed a lot of classes. I would not be surprised if he's already home listening to Ziggy with more smoke in the room than a Justin Bieber van. I would also would NOT be surprised if he fails a drug test in the NFL.
 
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