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Teddy Bridgewater

thunderkyss said:
So he's got a small head.

If he's got large/small hands, that will come out at the combine. It doesn't hurt now to say "small hands indicate small frame"
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Sure it does because it simply isn't true. It's no more connected than saying blonds are taller. They are distinct traits. However, measurements of the wrist circumference would be one indicator of frame size. Why? Because there is less body material between the bones and the measurement. Ankles would be another point for the same reason. The elbow, while sometimes a quick guide to frame is less useful because at least two muscle groups interfere with the measurement.

Since we have two conflicting stories about Teddy's hand size, it will be interesting to see what the combine measurements show. Honestly, x-rays are the best tool for determining frame size.
 
TexansFTW said:
Do QBs get hit nearly as much as RBs? There is a reason a GOOD RBs life in the NFL is substantially shorter than a good QBs.
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& the size requirement for RB is bigger than NFL. Reggie Bush is 6'0" 205lbs which would not be considered "frail" for a QB. The equivalent would be 6'0" 180.... imagine Jimmy Walker trying to play QB.
 
kingtexan said:
Wonder if scouts actually scout the players that are out there already in the limelight? It would seem to be a waste of time, since you can scout them at home on your computer. If I owned a team I would want the scout money I spent to be used to go out and find diamonds in the rough that no one has heard of.
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Scouts get the behind the scenes information from discussions with the coaching staff. How is he in the locker room? What are his work habits? Does he have family issues which interfere with focus? Does he have off field issues he has overcome which make his performance even more remarkable?

Has he been in trouble with local law enforcement or is he a loose cannon?

These things don't show up on film.
 
Mr teX said:
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By your definition, yes it is less than ideal. Every team wants that 6-5 230 lb prototype of a qb with a howitzer for an arm...but this is paralysis by analysis.

It's 1 thing to say his mechanics need a little work, its a completely different thing to say that his mechanics are "poor"...i can't agree with you there. When going thru progressions, the head more than anything is what tells you how they're going thru them. Even then you still cant tell sometimes b/c of how routes are stacked...you might have 2-3 guys in the same general area to where he may not have to turn his head much. The feet only really come into play when you're actually getting ready to throw the ball. In that regard, the kid is damn good at that. He almost never throws the ball off balance. So im not sure what you're looking at when you say his footwork is poor.

I also have never agreed with the notion that holding the ball up high in a static position like that is "good mechanics" for throwing a football....It "encourages" good mechanics b/c it helps position the arm to naturally bring the ball over the shoulder and it helps speed up the release, but holding it like that isn't natural in and of itself for throwing a football or any kind ball for that matter. I think that's the reason you dont see more guys in the NFL stick with throwing it like that after they leave college.

Look I'm not denying he's got a list....every kid coming out of college has a list, even the Mannings and Lucks...I just think that you're overplaying your hand a bit. i think his biggest issues are weight and strength which will be easily corrected Once he undertakes and nfl strength and conditioing program. Imo, the hitch you're seeing in his throwing motion is related to his overall strength. It's him "loading up" to generate the power/ velocity he needs to get the ball where it needs to be. Its sort of the same thing you see with young baseball batters when they see a ball they like and try to knock the cover off of it. Instead they either miss the ball completely or foul it off. What's happened is that little extra "umph" they took at the beginning of their swing to generate all that power threw off the timing of their swing. I also think the pro style offense thing is overplayed as well. Mark Sanchez and every other USC qb over the last 8 years played in pro style offense...it means next to nothing on the next level.

Obviously, if BoB thinks any of this stuff is a deal breaker then we'll select another guy...i just think he's the best prospect...
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I was a terrible father. My oldest is 6'7", about 300, strong as an ox and has HUGE hands, like 10 1/2 - 11 inches. But he's just a fireman/paramedic because I didn't insist he play QB. His Sargent wants him around because only my son could pick him up with one arm and carry him out of a burning building if required.

Sorry son.
 
TexansFTW said:
Would you like to provide something tangible to support the 8.5" hands?
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I'll let you know right after the Combine. I didn't say he did I only reference items that could drop his draft standing. I also said the same items applied to all other QBs. I think you're being a little sensitive this AM about anyone not writing glowing remarks about your beloved Teddy.
 
Marshall said:
I was a terrible father. My oldest is 6'7", about 300, strong as an ox and has HUGE hands, like 10 1/2 - 11 inches. But he's just a fireman/paramedic because I didn't insist he play QB. His Sargent wants him around because only my son could pick him up with one arm and carry him out of a burning building if required.

Sorry son.
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Ha, I'm beginning to like your attitude.

BTW, welcome to the board, man.
 
Corrosion said:
We will find out at the combine , they'll measure everything from his hands & feet to the pimples on his ass .... For now , its nothing but rumor , but if true it is another questionmark on an already questionable prospect.
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A lot of his question marks are based purely on speculation and nonsense. Someone in a message board says he has small hands and no credible proof and now it's a question mark.

Look if you hate the guy you hate him. Do your thing.

Marshall said:
I'd be interested to see BO'Bs evaluation of our current QBs compared to those on the board. Do any of them have the traits that he looks for, which might not have been fully utilized? Was the concern over what to avoid so pervasive that they were afraid to do what they could? Or did they just lack the skills, either from the start or from diminished ability due to injury?
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You don't go 2-14 in the NFL without lacking skills, so yeah, that's probably a safe guess.

thunderkyss said:
& the size requirement for RB is bigger than NFL. Reggie Bush is 6'0" 205lbs which would not be considered "frail" for a QB. The equivalent would be 6'0" 180.... imagine Jimmy Walker trying to play QB.
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I won't go back and forth with you forever on this, but you simply don't know what you're talking about. Every person with a shred of a science or medical background on this board is proving these things false, but you're just ignoring them.

Maybe I will give you a list of examples of great NFL RBs that played in a more physical time and had similar playing weights?

Walter Peyton - 5'10" , 200 lbs
Curtis Martin - 5'11" , 210
Tony Dorsett - 5'11" , 192
Thurman Thomas - 5'10" , 200
etc. etc. etc.

You know what you can also do? You can find me skinny guys that get hurt.

Then I can find fat guys that get hurt.

Then you can find fat guys that stay healthy.

Then I will say to you what most of the people with science/medical backgrounds on this board have been saying forever...

"Everyone is different".
 
Texian said:
I'll let you know right after the Combine. I didn't say he did I only reference items that could drop his draft standing. I also said the same items applied to all other QBs. I think you're being a little sensitive this AM about anyone not writing glowing remarks about your beloved Teddy.
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lol, you definitely did in another thread. That's where this small hand talk surfaced from. YOU were the origin. It's all good though bro.

Inception. Plant falsehoods into people's minds and keep bringing it up until it becomes a fact in the minds of the weak. You've watched your movies well. The top is still spinning though, probably because TB's massive hands spun the hell out of it.
 
TexansFTW said:
lol, you definitely did in another thread. That's where this small hand talk surfaced from. YOU were the origin. It's all good though bro.

Inception. Plant falsehoods into people's minds and keep bringing it up until it becomes a fact in the minds of the weak. You've watched your movies well. The top is still spinning though, probably because TB's massive hands spun the hell out of it.
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Please show me that post. I don't remember saying categorically that Teddy did in fact have small hands. Also that is not what I said in the post that you responded to.
 
TexansFTW said:
I won't go back and forth with you forever on this, but you simply don't know what you're talking about. Every person with a shred of a science or medical background on this board is proving these things false, but you're just ignoring them.

Maybe I will give you a list of examples of great NFL RBs that played in a more physical time and had similar playing weights?

Walter Peyton - 5'10" , 200 lbs
Curtis Martin - 5'11" , 210
Tony Dorsett - 5'11" , 192
Thurman Thomas - 5'10" , 200
etc. etc. etc.
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That proves you don't understand the conversation. Shorter, with similar weight to Reggie Bush = bigger than Reggie Bush. Built more robust, thicker, less frail.

Tell you what. Explain why there are weight classes in sports like boxing? Putting a 6'3" 205lb quarterback into the NFL game, where a 6'4" 265lb DE is considered small, is like putting Manny Pacquiao against George Foreman.
 
TexansFTW said:
lol, you definitely did in another thread. That's where this small hand talk surfaced from. YOU were the origin. It's all good though bro.

Inception. Plant falsehoods into people's minds and keep bringing it up until it becomes a fact in the minds of the weak. You've watched your movies well. The top is still spinning though, probably because TB's massive hands spun the hell out of it.
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Yep, it was only a poster here. :rolleyes:

Link

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michaelm said:
To me the question of hand size is barely relevant. The real question is, does he lose control of the football with whatever hand size he has?
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Agreed, I was just pointing out that it wasn't a story out of "nowhere".

I remember hearing the same concerns years ago with Ken O'Brien.
 
disaacks3 said:
Yep, it was only a poster here. :rolleyes:

Link

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Good articles. Here is your smoking gun analysis:

1) The scout said the fact Bridgewater wears a glove on his throwing hand "kind of freaks me out a little bit," since that can be indicative about a quarterback with small hands

2) One scout, Fauria said, believes Bridgewater might have small hands – just because he wears a glove on his throwing hand.

OK, so people that don't know him or have seen his hands are purely speculating based on wearing gloves? Your smoking gun article #2 kind of sounds like it all it did was read article #1 too.

What about the people that know him, coach him, and work with him?

Playoffs said:
The Skinny On Teddy
By Greg A. Bedard | MMQB.SI
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A few NFL scouts have questioned the size of Bridgewater’s hands, which probably isn’t helped by the fact that he wears two gloves. (He’s done it since high school and it’s just a preference.)

“His hands are big enough. He has big hands, huge hands,” Watson said.

All good though people. I will bow out of this pissing contest for now. Feel free to attack me and Teddy B as you see fit.
 
No excessive fumbling, no losing of the ball in the midst of a throw...The only reason this is even a "concern" is b/c he wears gloves.....that's it. I'd be lying if i said it didn't bother me a teenie weenie bit, but the combine will sort it out. In the meantime, i'll take the word of his coach over the speculation.

maybe it's not a question of small hands and just a question of sweaty hands like that of
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Mr teX said:
No excessive fumbling, no losing of the ball in the midst of a throw...The only reason this is even a "concern" is b/c he wears gloves.....that's it. I'd be lying if i said it didn't bother me a teenie weenie bit, but the combine will sort it out. In the meantime, i'll take the word of his coach over the speculation.
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Throwing motion not an issue to you?
 
TexansFTW said:
Good articles. Here is your smoking gun analysis:

1) The scout said the fact Bridgewater wears a glove on his throwing hand "kind of freaks me out a little bit," since that can be indicative about a quarterback with small hands

2) One scout, Fauria said, believes Bridgewater might have small hands – just because he wears a glove on his throwing hand.

OK, so people that don't know him or have seen his hands are purely speculating based on wearing gloves? Your smoking gun article #2 kind of sounds like it all it did was read article #1 too.

What about the people that know him, coach him, and work with him?



A few NFL scouts have questioned the size of Bridgewater’s hands, which probably isn’t helped by the fact that he wears two gloves. (He’s done it since high school and it’s just a preference.)

“His hands are big enough. He has big hands, huge hands,” Watson said.

All good though people. I will bow out of this pissing contest for now. Feel free to attack me and Teddy B as you see fit.
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TexansFTW said:
"lol, you definitely did in another thread. That's where this small hand talk surfaced from. YOU were the origin. It's all good though bro.
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So, in this instance I wasn't the culprit as you implied and accused?
 
kingtexan said:
Throwing motion not an issue to you?
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No....His arm slot is fine & his release is similar to Cam Newton's imo. The only major difference is he tends to load up when throws instead of just whipping it outta there like he should. He could also stand to relax his shoulders a little bit more too...Too often i see him tensed up as he's throwing...you can't even see his neck. The picture below illustrates what i'm talking about.

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Mr teX said:
No....His arm slot is fine & his release is similar to Cam Newton's imo. The only major difference is he tends to load up when throws instead of just whipping it outta there like he should. He could also stand to relax his shoulders a little bit more too...Too often i see him tensed up as he's throwing...you can't even see his neck. The picture below illustrates what i'm talking about.

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It has been mentioned that one of the issues some have is that it is inconsistent. Sometimes side-arm, almost never over-the-top in a pure sense as QB's are taught from grade school. Not that it means he cant throw, but just an observation. They said Bagwell had a weird stance too ...

http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/teddy-bridgewater
 
Mr teX said:
No....His arm slot is fine & his release is similar to Cam Newton's imo. The only major difference is he tends to load up when throws instead of just whipping it outta there like he should. He could also stand to relax his shoulders a little bit more too...Too often i see him tensed up as he's throwing...you can't even see his neck. The picture below illustrates what i'm talking about.
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He also has a little loop in the top of his motion .... like Tebow had but not near as exaggerated. It doesn't go straight back and straight forward , there is a small circular motion in there.
 
I am very late to this thread however was just reading through. Personally I don't see TB as being that skinny or fragile looking.

Actually, they were saying that about Mike Glennon right after he was drafted. The local radio guys kept talking about how Glennon was too skinny and that there was no way he could step in and play in the NFL this season. Not only did he play, he took most of the snaps and turned out to be very durable after taking hits.

Glennon looks like a bean pole compared to Bridgewater.

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I am still undecided where I want the Texans to go however I am leaning towards TB. I like the reports that he has a high football IQ and is a true student of the game.

To me Johnny Manziel looks more fragile. The guy just looks like he would get killed on a NFL field. He also looks like Brick from "The Middle".

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_King_ said:
BOB on the radio right now. Claims he hasn't watched much of manziel or bridgewater.
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Our new HC hasn't seen much of the top QB prospects in the draft?!. I know he got a good look at Bortles when they played against him at Penn St, but common man, time to get with the scouting dept.
 
Im sure he is well aware of the top prospects. Its just a nice side-step tactic to avoid the topic and sound like he is falling in love with a certain kid.
 
revan said:
Our new HC hasn't seen much of the top QB prospects in the draft?!. I know he got a good look at Bortles when they played against him at Penn St, but common man, time to get with the scouting dept.
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I suspect his definition of "haven't seen much" is different than your definition. With the level of preparation it sounds like he demands, I think his definition of "haven't seen much" is probably on the lines of "I've only watched a year's worth of games and haven't even broken everything down, yet."

But also, he has his hands full right now evaluating our current personnel.

AND... he'd never say anything that would give anyone a clue of what he really thinks anyway.
 
revan said:
Our new HC hasn't seen much of the top QB prospects in the draft?!. I know he got a good look at Bortles when they played against him at Penn St, but common man, time to get with the scouting dept.
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First things first. He first gets his staff together. Then evaluate where you are at and where you want to go. Then determine whether FA acquisitions are affordable while still leaving you with money for the higher cost draft picks, each being higher this year than previous years because of our draft slot. Also, determine your own draft criteria with input of coaches, scouts and the GM.

Then determine which of the available draft picks meets your criteria. I'm sure the scouts are already working, but the head coach has more pressing priorities right now. I'd love both Crenel and Munchak to be in a position to join the staff. Crenel is likely and Munchak merely possible. But that would be an all-star staff which I hope could work together smoothly. (Please - No more Ryan/Gilbride.)

As posters, we get ahead of ourselves at times.
 
Marshall said:
First things first. He first gets his staff together. Then evaluate where you are at and where you want to go. Then determine whether FA acquisitions are affordable while still leaving you with money for the higher cost draft picks, each being higher this year than previous years because of our draft slot. Also, determine your own draft criteria with input of coaches, scouts and the GM.

Then determine which of the available draft picks meets your criteria. I'm sure the scouts are already working, but the head coach has more pressing priorities right now. I'd love both Crenel and Munchak to be in a position to join the staff. Crenel is likely and Munchak merely possible. But that would be an all-star staff which I hope could work together smoothly. (Please - No more Ryan/Gilbride.)

As posters, we get ahead of ourselves at times.
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Great post, very true. He likely isn't past the point of even seeing exactly who they have on the team and how he values them. We are still early in this process.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I am very late to this thread however was just reading through. Personally I don't see TB as being that skinny or fragile looking.

Actually, they were saying that about Mike Glennon right after he was drafted. The local radio guys kept talking about how Glennon was too skinny and that there was no way he could step in and play in the NFL this season. Not only did he play, he took most of the snaps and turned out to be very durable after taking hits.

Glennon looks like a bean pole compared to Bridgewater.

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Physically, Glennon reminds me of Patriots QB Steve Grogan, another tall, skinny guy. He was listed at 6'4" and 210lbs.
FWIW, Grogan was in the league for 16 years.


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The Pencil Neck said:
I suspect his definition of "haven't seen much" is different than your definition. With the level of preparation it sounds like he demands, I think his definition of "haven't seen much" is probably on the lines of "I've only watched a year's worth of games and haven't even broken everything down, yet."

But also, he has his hands full right now evaluating our current personnel.

AND... he'd never say anything that would give anyone a clue of what he really thinks anyway.
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Marshall said:
First things first. He first gets his staff together. Then evaluate where you are at and where you want to go. Then determine whether FA acquisitions are affordable while still leaving you with money for the higher cost draft picks, each being higher this year than previous years because of our draft slot. Also, determine your own draft criteria with input of coaches, scouts and the GM.

Then determine which of the available draft picks meets your criteria. I'm sure the scouts are already working, but the head coach has more pressing priorities right now. I'd love both Crenel and Munchak to be in a position to join the staff. Crenel is likely and Munchak merely possible. But that would be an all-star staff which I hope could work together smoothly. (Please - No more Ryan/Gilbride.)

As posters, we get ahead of ourselves at times.
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Good posts guys. I for one got ahead of myself, I read his post and started crying chicken little. You guys are right, lets get the right personel first then we can focus on the draft in a couple of months.
 
Kiper has dropped Teddy to 8th in his 1st mock draft. And he said this about him:

"Bridgewater will need to prove to teams that he can command an NFL huddle and be the face of a franchise"

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BigB0iFresh said:
Kiper has dropped Teddy to 8th in his 1st mock draft. And he said this about him:

"Bridgewater will need to prove to teams that he can command an NFL huddle and be the face of a franchise"

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I'm not really even sure what that means. Do JFF and Bortles not also face that same task?
 
BigB0iFresh said:
Yea that statement had me scratching my head to.

Edit: I'm guessing he's saying Teddy isn't a "rah rah" guy.
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I've seen Teddy 'rah rah' as much as Bortles. Manziel is obviously more fiery on the field, but I don't see any of the 3 as lacking in the leadership department. Especially Bridgewater, to be honest.
 
Take anything Kiper says with a grain of salt that'd take a wheelbarrow to move.

IMO, he and McShat are the worst at what they do. A select few on this board have more credence than those two boneheads. IMO, of course.

I follow a lot of what Mayock has to say, be even he has missed quite a bit the past year or two. Maybe he's studied less since he's been commentating? Dunno, but hopefully he'll come out of the wood work soon. I reckon he's probably catching up on a lot of tape now

* Former scout Daniel Jeremiah currently has us taking Clowney #1. I'd be cool with that
 
santo said:
ESPN was also sure the Texans were taking Reggie Bush back in 2006. :mariopalm:
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lol Enjoy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060421

But here's the punch line in Houston: The Texans have worked so hard to talk themselves out of Young that they're now talking themselves into North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams. Huh?
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Don't get me wrong -- Bush will be a Pro Bowl back. But Vince Young will be an MVP -- especially if he's allowed to strap his hometown team on his back and carry it into the playoffs.
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And now to make you sad.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2325442

league sources here for the Pro Bowl confirmed late Thursday that the Houston Texans have exercised a "buy back" clause in quarterback David Carr's contract, paying him an $8 million bonus to secure his services for three more seasons.
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HOU-TEX said:
Take anything Kiper says with a grain of salt that'd take a wheelbarrow to move.

IMO, he and McShat are the worst at what they do. A select few on this board have more credence than those two boneheads. IMO, of course.

I follow a lot of what Mayock has to say, be even he has missed quite a bit the past year or two. Maybe he's studied less since he's been commentating? Dunno, but hopefully he'll come out of the wood work soon. I reckon he's probably catching up on a lot of tape now
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I really like Mayock, but I would imagine that he has fallen off a little bit since every Saturday he is now calling Notre Dame games instead of scouting other games live.

I don't dislike Kiper. He doesn't know jack about football, but he works his *** off all year long to get ready for the draft. I respect that.

McShay is a total hack. Doesn't have an original thought in his mind because he's too busy stealing the hard work of other analysts.
 
Anybody have that link of rankings of how accurate the scouts have been over the last 5 years, would very much appreciate it.
 
Mr teX said:
Found this part particularly interesting.....

"Teams shouldn't be all that worried about Vince's extracurricular activities."

You could easily sub out "Vince's" with "johnny's" this year.
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You "could"...if you're incapable of any deeper analysis.
 
matts290 said:
Anybody have that link of rankings of how accurate the scouts have been over the last 5 years, would very much appreciate it.
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There was a post not-so-long ago that had a breakdown of accuracy on the draft experts over the past 4 years. I don't have the link handy, but if you search the board, you should be able to find it.
 
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