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Finally: Romeo Crennel Hired as DC

Texn4life said:
Do you think its worth it for him to wait and not start putting together his defensive staff or do you think the wheels are already in motion for that too? Evaluation could come without him being the coach.
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I think that if he's unofficially been offered and accepted the job then he's probably already put out feelers to the guys he wants and they've also unofficially been offered and accepted the jobs as well.

It's just a few weeks. I doubt it gets in the way of anything and what he'll learn coaching those kids will be worth the wait.
 
Texn4life said:
My thinking as well, but I guess there's value in coaching up these kids to see what they have. Most of the players in the game or 3rd-4th round or later prospects, but its important for us to hit on a few of those this year considering none of ours besides Griffin did a single thing this year. ( Technically Chris Jones did but it wasn't for us ). That was a wasted opportunity considering how bad we were.

If he can get insight into some of these players not normally accessible then I guess I'm good with it. Hopefully some of our 2013 picks step up next year too. It looks like a blown draft right now though.
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How does Rick still have a job?

It will be huge if Ques and the Williams can step up and be bigtime contributors.
 
Not sure if anyone said this yet. But I just heard on the radio that Crennel has 2 years left on his contract for $7 mil. But there's language in the contract that says if he get's hired by another team whatever his salary is for those 2 years get's deducted from what KC has to pay him. So that could also be a factor.
 
cbs1507 said:
Not sure if anyone said this yet. But I just heard on the radio that Crennel has 2 years left on his contract for $7 mil. But there's language in the contract that says if he get's hired by another team whatever his salary is for those 2 years get's deducted from what KC has to pay him. So that could also be a factor.
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He had 2 years when he got fired, so technically only one more year, or $3.5MM left. But yeah, that could be a factor.
 
I thought when coaches got fired the organization that fired him has to buyout the remaining contract?
 
He's probably going to do the East West Shrine game, then decide if his hearts in it, or if he's ready to retire.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I thought when coaches got fired the organization that fired him has to buyout the remaining contract?
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They pay it off as if the contract is in place (which it is) unless their is a buyout term in the contract. After the termination they can work out an agreement to have a buyout if the coach wants to get the money sooner but he can wait to get the whole amount. Some contracts have provisions for for an offset.
 
EllisUnit said:
This site loses all credability when they say Deenison may be one of the best OCs on the market, and why would bob want an OC when he calls his own plays. HAHA Kubiak called his own plays as well, and Dennison was less than impressive when he actually did call the plays
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Agreed. Dennison will be working in a Walmart soon. I think he absolutely sucked as OC. He was completely unprofessionial in refusing to answer the media's questions about the dismissal of Kubiak.
 
Romeo Crennel Hired as DC
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Double Barrel said:
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I know, we need some confirmation!
 
jaayteetx said:
How is that a factor? He gets paid either way, only thing is, does he want back in?
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Maybe you don't see the ramifications. If he signs with the Texans whatever his salary is from the Texans is deducted from what the Chiefs owe him, so he'd be losing money. That sounds like a major factor to me.
 
cbs1507 said:
Maybe you don't see the ramifications. If he signs with the Texans whatever his salary is from the Texans is deducted from what the Chiefs owe him, so he'd be losing money. That sounds like a major factor to me.
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How's he losing money? Effectively working for free, I can see, but not losing money.
 
cbs1507 said:
Maybe you don't see the ramifications. If he signs with the Texans whatever his salary is from the Texans is deducted from what the Chiefs owe him, so he'd be losing money. That sounds like a major factor to me.
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No, he would be making the same amount of money regardless. The Texans will pay him whatever the Chiefs don't.
 
ChampionTexan said:
How's he losing money? Effectively working for free, I can see, but not losing money.
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The point is he is better off financially to not coach because he's guaranteed $3.5 mil to sit on the couch next year. However, if he goes to the Texans whatever he "earns" there will offset any balance owed by the Chiefs. So essentially, yes, he'd be working for free (which is losing money). Maybe a 66 year old that's spent over 30 years in the league might not want to put his time and effort in for no actual gain, when he can make the same amount doing absolutely nothing.

TheIronDuke said:
No, he would be making the same amount of money regardless. The Texans will pay him whatever the Chiefs don't.
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SO he is not making the same amount because you must factor that he has to actually work to make the same thing he could make taking a year long vacation. You do the math.
 
jaayteetx said:
Ding ding ding!^^^^
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If the Chiefs deduct his salary with the Texans, then I propose salaries of $1 for 2014 and $5M in 2015 or something to that effect so that the Chiefs don't get bailed out. We simply defer salary to the first year past his old Contract. This is the realm of Contract negotiations and ingenuity is at a premium.
 
cbs1507 said:
SO he is not making the same amount because you must factor that he has to actually work to make the same thing he could make taking a year long vacation. You do the math.
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He's already taken a year long vacation from coaching and it's not out of the realm that he may want to coach again. He's already doing the East/West game so it's not as if he's not out there doing his thing as it is.
 
I don't know what the tax laws are there, but it might benefit him to be employed by a team from Texas considering we don't have state taxes.
 
cbs1507 said:
SO he is not making the same amount because you must factor that he has to actually work to make the same thing he could make taking a year long vacation. You do the math.
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Maybe he just wants to coach instead of sitting around with his thumb up his butt? It certainly won't hurt his wallet either way if he decides to coach again this year or not. He probably loves the game of football and maybe even enjoys the camaraderie and competition instead of helping Mrs. Crennel hang drapes in the study.
 
TheIronDuke said:
No, he would be making the same amount of money regardless. The Texans will pay him whatever the Chiefs don't.
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Yeah, but it's kind of like people on unemployment benefits. Why bother working at minimum wage for 40 hours a week for $250, when you can sit at home and do whatever you want for $200 a week? The incentive isn't really there unless they make it worth his while. And I have a hard time seeing the Texans paying more than 3.5m a year for a DC. Wade was a special case.

The Texans would need to make it worth his while for him to come back, and I don't think they are ready to do that.
 
Jumping off the ship..........some swimming to the Texans?

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 30m
PSU recieved resignations from FB coaches Charles London (RBs) Stan Hioxon(WRs) Anthony Midget (S) S&C coach Craig Fitzgerald per @BobbyFlo7
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Dutchrudder said:
Yeah, but it's kind of like people on unemployment benefits. Why bother working at minimum wage for 40 hours a week for $250, when you can sit at home and do whatever you want for $200 a week? The incentive isn't really there unless they make it worth his while. And I have a hard time seeing the Texans paying more than 3.5m a year for a DC. Wade was a special case.

The Texans would need to make it worth his while for him to come back, and I don't think they are ready to do that.
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If you know any coaches like I do then you'll know they are crazy people. They love the game. I know quite a few on every level and all they do is talk about football. I don't know anyone that knows Romeo, but I'd guess he misses being in that environment.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Jumping off the ship..........some swimming to the Texans?


James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 30m
PSU recieved resignations from FB coaches Charles London (RBs) Stan Hioxon(WRs) Anthony Midget (S) S&C coach Craig Fitzgerald per @BobbyFlo7
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That is Anthony Little Person, He does not like to be called Midget....

:kitten:
 
I am very excited we have a new S&C coach. The Texans have had WAY too many injuries in my book. It is a great day to be both a Texas Longhorns and Houston Texans fan.
 
cbs1507 said:
The point is he is better off financially to not coach because he's guaranteed $3.5 mil to sit on the couch next year. However, if he goes to the Texans whatever he "earns" there will offset any balance owed by the Chiefs. So essentially, yes, he'd be working for free (which is losing money). Maybe a 66 year old that's spent over 30 years in the league might not want to put his time and effort in for no actual gain, when he can make the same amount doing absolutely nothing.
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I kind of doubt many folks view it as being better off financially. Sometimes folks want/need some time off, and Romeo's had that. The fact of the matter is that if he's not ready to retire, and wants to continue his career as an NFL coach, getting a job (albeit an "unpaid" one) right now is probably a better career move than staying on the couch another year, and then seeing what's available in 2015. The better career move is the better financial move (given the previous caveat about not wanting to retire). This is even if you choose to ignore the fact that he'd probably get a minimum of a 3 year contract (O'brien's is supposedly for 5) thereby guaranteeing income for two years more than he's guaranteed if he voluntarily takes another year off. (and FWIW, I don't know if there's NFL rules, or anything else related to the offset that addresses the structuring of coaches contracts, but if not, it could even be written to minimize the impact of the 2014 offset)
 
Texn4life said:
If you know any coaches like I do then you'll know they are crazy people. They love the game. I know quite a few on every level and all they do is talk about football. I don't know anyone that knows Romeo, but I'd guess he misses being in that environment.
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Hey if he wants to do that, I'm all for it. However, I hope he tells Rick and McNair to pay him 1 dollar next year, and then up his salary for the next 2-3 years. Let the KC franchise waste their money on him, and keep McNair happy.

Suppose he would normally get 1.5m a year over 4 years for a total of 6m. I'd give him $1 in 2014, and $1,999,999.33 for the other 3 years. I think that would be pretty awesome if he's game.
 
Texn4life said:
If you know any coaches like I do then you'll know they are crazy people. They love the game. I know quite a few on every level and all they do is talk about football. I don't know anyone that knows Romeo, but I'd guess he misses being in that environment.
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Agreed. If he loves the game, he'll find a place to work this year. I don't know why anyone would think we have some kind of inside track to his services. Maybe he'll go work with an old collegue, say Marvin Lewis, & help that team get over the hump. Maybe he'll find a way onto the 49ers staff & help them win a Super Bowl.

Maybe he needs to coach the East/West Shrine game to figure out if his heart is even in it.

But if he's the kind of guy who wants to sit on his rump & collect a $3M check, instead of "coaching" do we want that kind of guy?

I can understand taking a year off. He's been through a lot. But when 1 year turns to two. Then two turns into three... he's gone. Nothing wrong with that. At least if I were 66 & just collected $7M, I'm going to have to really think about whether I want to be "working" for someone else.
 
Marshall said:
If the Chiefs deduct his salary with the Texans, then I propose salaries of $1 for 2014 and $5M in 2015 or something to that effect so that the Chiefs don't get bailed out. We simply defer salary to the first year past his old Contract. This is the realm of Contract negotiations and ingenuity is at a premium.
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Yeah that would be a good thing if we do decide to get him, but with an even lower number than $1m in the first year (if possible).

b0ng said:
He's already taken a year long vacation from coaching and it's not out of the realm that he may want to coach again. He's already doing the East/West game so it's not as if he's not out there doing his thing as it is.
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Yes he has taken a 1 year vacation, and I was was not ruling out that he may want to get back into coaching. So that could defintely be a factor. If so, then we could do something like what Marshall proposed.

TheIronDuke said:
Maybe he just wants to coach instead of sitting around with his thumb up his butt? It certainly won't hurt his wallet either way if he decides to coach again this year or not. He probably loves the game of football and maybe even enjoys the camaraderie and competition instead of helping Mrs. Crennel hang drapes in the study.
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That's always a possibility.

ChampionTexan said:
I kind of doubt many folks view it as being better off financially. Sometimes folks want/need some time off, and Romeo's had that. The fact of the matter is that if he's not ready to retire, and wants to continue his career as an NFL coach, getting a job (albeit an "unpaid" one) right now is probably a better career move than staying on the couch another year, and then seeing what's available in 2015. The better career move is the better financial move (given the previous caveat about not wanting to retire). This is even if you choose to ignore the fact that he'd probably get a minimum of a 3 year contract (O'brien's is supposedly for 5) thereby guaranteeing income for two years more than he's guaranteed if he voluntarily takes another year off. (and FWIW, I don't know if there's NFL rules, or anything else related to the offset that addresses the structuring of coaches contracts, but if not, it could even be written to minimize the impact of the 2014 offset)
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Well maybe. But the again we're taking about a 66 year old man who's coached in the NFL for over 30 years. Maybe it's just that time for him. 65 is when folks start collecting SS income ($3.5m sound like a nice SS check). But then again there's that love of the game stuff. We'll see what happens.
 
I'm being told "not so fast"... Crennel & OB don't know each other, did not coach together, and Crennel gets paid for sitting on his butt.

-- Adam Caplan/ESPN NFL Insiders
 
Jumping off the ship..........some swimming to the Texans?
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 30m
PSU recieved resignations from FB coaches Charles London (RBs) Stan Hioxon(WRs) Anthony Midget (S) S&C coach Craig Fitzgerald per @BobbyFlo7
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Hey Doc, bigoted much? I think folks prefer "Short People"!
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;)
 
Romeo is a decent head coach and a hell of a defensive coordinator. He's like Capers. As a Head Coach he's crap but as a DC he's got skills.
 
Is it a little weird that he already put some of the positional coaches in place on defense before he hired the DC?

I don't know maybe that's normal, just seems a little weird to me.
 
GoCoogs said:
Is it a little weird that he already put some of the positional coaches in place on defense before he hired the DC?

I don't know maybe that's normal, just seems a little weird to me.
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who has been hired, other than Kollar being retained?
 
GoCoogs said:
Is it a little weird that he already put some of the positional coaches in place on defense before he hired the DC?

I don't know maybe that's normal, just seems a little weird to me.
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Bringing in a handful of guys from college does not equate with hiring position coaches on behalf of the unnamed DC... I doubt he promised guys like Butler anything more than a job and a certain amount of money... He could end up coaching ST, being special assitant o O'Brien, etc...

From what I've seen, Kollar is the only coach that was likely promised a specific roll on defense, and I'm sure Crennel approved of that move before it happened.
 
dalemurphy said:
Bringing in a handful of guys from college does not equate with hiring position coaches on behalf of the unnamed DC... I doubt he promised guys like Butler anything more than a job and a certain amount of money... He could end up coaching ST, being special assitant o O'Brien, etc...

From what I've seen, Kollar is the only coach that was likely promised a specific roll on defense, and I'm sure Crennel approved of that move before it happened.
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Im pretty sure Romeo had input on all these hires beforehand. This was just his first chance to fly down from coaching the Shrine Game
 
DX-TEX said:
Im pretty sure Romeo had input on all these hires beforehand. This was just his first chance to fly down from coaching the Shrine Game
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Still trying to learn what hires? I have seen nothing official except the announcement that Kollar would be retained
 
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