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Teddy Bridgewater
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TexansFTW
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LOL, Nice to meet you Captain Hindsight. I highly doubt you were banging the table for a busted up Keenan Allen last year that couldn't even work out at a combine. He was the biggest WR injury red flag coming out. The Chargers got themselves a damn steal with him.
LOL, what is your plan bro? To be the worst team in football for the next 3 years. You're something else man. That's awesome you're really doing your homework this far in advance, but the last thing I want is another head coach with a 6 year plan where we continue to lose in the worst division in football until then. Plus, I don't think a new HC will get that same liberty Kubes did and will likely be ousted by the time these potential, hopeful, future all stars possibly declare for the NFL.
TexansFTW
Veteran
I hear you and the fear of guys like Pat White. I also fear those guys big time. I see way more Aaron Rodgers than Pat White though.
Guess it will be a little quiet around here for a while, all the young know it all's are probably at some Inter-Galactic Kegger tonight.
lol. Most young Know it all's roll out around 10. We still got time to go back and forth until then.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Just a question: what is your knock on Bridgewater? It seems like the main concerns are his size and his not elite arm strength - and the weak schedule.
Now with 6´3 I am not too worried. Not elite arm strength? I can live with that, he has no Henne arm. Weak schedule? Nothing he can do about it. He showed up in big games. The rest will be shown at the combine.
What I read about him is he is elite at reading defenses, has great accuracy, rarely makes mistakes, is elite at avoiding pressure, has a good throwing technique, is a bright kid and a great leader. That sounds like a potential franchise QB to me.
He's not 6'3"
I know someone somewhere has him listed as 6'3" but when he gets to the combine, I bet he's not 6'3"
& 6'3" is not the magic number. He needs to be 6'5" every inch shorter is a knock on him (of course, this is only my opinion).
I don't have a problem with his arm. Looks plenty strong enough to me. & there's plenty of evidence of it. My biggest issue is that most of his highlights are off-schedule. I'd like to see more big throws within the system & on schedule.
Watching him break down defenses with his legs... that's Vince Young stuff.... impressive, nice to watch, won't mean as much on the next level.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Who's available late 1st noone knows....All i know is you have a golden opportunity to take the undisputed best prospect at the position....you simply cant pass that up.
Undisputed best prospect? What a joke. There is no undisputed number one QB prospect. Bridgewater may have the edge right now but he is far from being a true franchise QB prospect and isn't that much better a prospect than the top 5 QB's in this draft.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
WTF are u talking about? He is the undisputed best prospect at his position if he chooses to come out this year and has been since the beginning of the season. that doesnt project to change.
The rest of that is your opinion....amd you seem to be in the minority with it in that regard... No he's not a peyton manning/andrew luck type prospect, but noone we pick at that spot will be of that caliber prospect. Clowney isnt a bruce smith type prospect and Matthews isnt an orlando pace type prospect....
Why crap on bridgewater b/c he's the guy we're most likely to pick?
I guess we have a different definition of UNDESPUTED. and I'm not crapping on the guy. I'm fine with drafting him if after the process he turns out to be worthy of The pick. I'm just trying to keep an open mind. There is a lot of time left to make this decision. And Clowney is a better prospect than Smith was. Mathews shouldn't even go top 10.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Ok sub smith out for lawrence taylor...regardless, no prospect we pick at # 1 overall in this draft projects to be in that super duper prospect range. We just need to make sure we dont miss with the pick...and imo, bridgewater is the closest to that.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
All of these arguments about him being the undisputed best QB in this class are premature. There are more evaluations to come and QB's especially are volatile. Right now, I think he's the best but the gap between him and the next 2 or 3 might not be as large as to say from 3 to 4 or 5.
Again though, there are more measurements and evaluations to come and many can rise and fall throughout this process. I have a feeling Teddy is going to still come out of this being the best or 2nd best QB in the draft, and I think if he comes out the best QB, he really should be the pick.
Again though, there are more measurements and evaluations to come and many can rise and fall throughout this process. I have a feeling Teddy is going to still come out of this being the best or 2nd best QB in the draft, and I think if he comes out the best QB, he really should be the pick.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Do you think that all the QBs who play the Texans chip in a couple of bucks and send McCain a gift basket at the end of the season?
If Manziel declares he's headed for the NFL & the national media starts talking about him being possibly the best QB prospect... would that be because they're all from Texas?
You can either ask people around here in this college forum, or you can go back and check all the old threads.
How I worked the WR prospects last year.
It wasn't hindsight.
I began working on it even before the college season started.
Just because you don't follow college and high school football doesn't mean that the rest of us didn't.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
You also said Keenum was the best QB of his class, Luck included. Point is, no one here is an expert at predicting the future and can say there are no franchise QBs, etc in this draft.
Say....
If we draft Bridgewater, do you think the Colts fans are going to be saying, "Damn..... we gotta face Bridgewater twice a year."
If we draft Bridgewater, do you think the Colts fans are going to be saying, "Damn..... we gotta face Bridgewater twice a year."
BullNation4Life
All Pro
They would if they see Manziel on the other side...
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
We have the best defensive player in the league...i doubt they say "damn, we have to face JJ Watt twice a year..."....at the end of the day its about the team and if we can build 1 thats gonna give them hell every year, thats what we need to focus on...
If Bridgewater is a key cog in that, he's the right pick
I would be a dumbass to say such a thing.
What I did say is that if you think a guy can be a starting QB of your team than you need to consider him.
All the while, you also need to consider the shortcoming of a prospect.
Why is that that I wanted the Texans to take both Wilson and Keenum?
Neither garner good-great praises.
You had Schaub and Yates.
You want to plan ahead and find out if one of these under rated players can add to your plan going forward.
You need to have a long term, continuous goal for your team.
Fact: Keenum leapfrogged Yates in the pecking order.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Yea, because I want the Texans to make their decision based on the opinions of these people. Someone on their board also compared Bridgewater to Geno Smith. You are taking reaching to a whole new stratosphere lol.
bhsman
Rookie
This kind of argument is never productive, and basically relies purely on hindsight.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Well, you thought he was worth a 1st round pick and in your own words, "Another inch or inch and a half and some ten-fifteen more pounds of muscle, and I would take him over Luck and RGIII any day."
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2244697&postcount=369
Fact is the draft is a crapshoot and much of these prospect's success will rely heavily on the coaching they receive at the NFL level. Coach BOB, if as good as the Texans brass believes he is, can make a franchise QB out of Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel or whatever prospect they decide to hitch their wagon to.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2244697&postcount=369
Fact is the draft is a crapshoot and much of these prospect's success will rely heavily on the coaching they receive at the NFL level. Coach BOB, if as good as the Texans brass believes he is, can make a franchise QB out of Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel or whatever prospect they decide to hitch their wagon to.
Not exactly.
But there was a totally different atmosphere here when they had the #1 pick. None of us was "hoping" they would draft Luck. Most of us were "upset" because it was generally accepted there was a high probability he would be a franchise QB.
Not so much with Bridgewater.
Yeah, some of us are smitten with Manziel & because of that may be blind to his shortcomings & weaknesses.
At the same time, I think the #1 overall have some people drunk on "the best" QB prospect in the draft. & because of our need are overvaluing Bridgewater.
He should not be valued any more than Manziel. If Manziel isn't worth the #1 pick, Bridgewater isn't. At the very least, Bridgewater can't warrant a #1 overall grade & Manziel not warrant a top 10 pick.
Obviously, you and I are entitled to our own opinions.
I just stated mine and you, yours.
We are not expecting to accomplish anything here, are we?
But he wasn't an inch and a half taller nor does he has fifteen more pounds of good muscle . I would take a good back up QB with a third round pick
easily. The same argument goes, because it is the most important position on the team.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Because prospects of Andrew Luck's caliber come along how often? Pretty sure most people were saying best prospect since John Elway. You really wanna suck that long before we gamble on a QB or just keep digging through the trash heap hoping to find that rare diamond a la the Cleveland Browns.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
The difference between Luck and Keenum's ability to play QB in the NFL isn't an inch and a half in height and 15 pounds.
1. The Texans should finish with a top 10-15 pick. I mean they did finish 2-14 for a reason. They aren't going to magically go 12-4 even if they pick Bridgewater.
2. There are 4 QB's that I like more than Bridgewater coming out next yr. Winston/Petty/Hogan/Mariota. If the Texans are picking say 12th, it wont cost as much as you think to trade up to the 5-7 range. I've already stated this in another thread or maybe it is in this thread.
3. I do consider Clowney to be a generational type talent. Sure he needs to go to driving school and didn't put up the stats that he did last yr. Probably because he knew he would've been the top pick last yr and was surely going to be a top 5 pick this yr. He didn't want to get Lattimored. I dont blame him.
I would be more than willing to settle for the next Bruce Smith at 1-1. Clowney is more likely to become Bruce Smith than Bridgewater is to become the next Peyton Manning.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Based on the number of starters and solid backups that will be lost to free agency, along with another year of poor salary cap management that will once again prevent signing equal Free Agent replacements, I expect the Texans will again be picking in the Top 10 in 2015. Teddy Bridgewater could well ensure another #1 pick in 2015.
You can either ask people around here in this college forum, or you can go back and check all the old threads.
How I worked the WR prospects last year.
It wasn't hindsight.
I began working on it even before the college season started.
Just because you don't follow college and high school football doesn't mean that the rest of us didn't.
True
Yep, But the Texans need a QB and they should draft Bridgewater even if he will only become an Andy Dalton type QB. Why because it's the Texans @1 need. Logical (Sarcasm///)
stingray
Hall of Fame
Bruce smith has more heart to play football in his right pinky than Clowney has in his whole body. I dont want another Mario Williams or the Tracy Mcgrady of football.
Really and you know this how?
BTW, Smith/Peppers had the same knock against them coming out of college. Not playing hard all of the time. Guess what JJ is the exception to the rule. DL are big men and are incapable of playing at a high level every down because of their weight/size.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
If Manziel was 6'3, this thread would have five pages.
stingray
Hall of Fame
I know this because i have a 55" tv in my house and have seen clowney play this year. I grew up watching bruce smith play. That dude didnt take many plays off.
And btw, clowney didnt take plays off this year, he took quarters off.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
What is so wrong with Mario Williams? The guy just had another solid season with 13 sacks for the Bills and made his third pro bowl. He's also a two-time all pro. I wish we had the salary cap space to keep him a few off-seasons ago and maybe our defense wouldn't be so bad.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Nothing wrong with him. Hes a good player but hes not a 100 million dollar player. Hes got more talent than watt but is satisfied with being a "good" player instead of a " great" one.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Not sure this fits here, but Mario had a hire draft grade then Clowney will, IMO.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Bridgewater declares for draft. IMO, no brainer #1 pick.
Honoring Earl 34
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LZ ... FWIW ... said there's no comparison between the two . CLowney has a much higher skill level than Mario .
http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/jadeveon-clowney
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Clowney a complete non-factor AGAIN. Mario was a much better prospect, unstoppable even with double teams and being schemed for like NFL teams won't double,chip and chop?
Khalil Mack also neutralized today for what its worth.
Khalil Mack also neutralized today for what its worth.
I was probably the only person here that wanted Mario over Bush and VY. Mario was not the prospect Clowney is.
Nawzer
Alienz
If he's the best QB then it is a no brainer. I don't know much about these guys but hopefully one of these QBs will impress the Texans enough for the no. 1 overall pick.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Care to extrapolate? Mario at 300 lbs did everything Clowney does. By virtue of being lighter he's faster than Mario, but not by much. Mario was bigger and stronger. I look at Clowney and he looks smallish, his play doesn't jump out and to tag him as generational is a reach. You're banking on what he could be vs what he is. Bad motor, questionable character. Just because his measurables are amazing doesn't mean he will be a great player. He doesn't have an inner fire like Watt, neither does Mario, but Mario has a better technical ability to split double teams and get to the QB. Just my two pennies.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Ummm, nope.