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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread II

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I dont know who is the commentator with Kalu but he just called it. Said everything with Case and Kubiak was smoke and mirrors. Nice to hear the media finally call it.

I wonder if Kubiak called the best plays for Case...

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I was in the camp for keeping kubiak next year and to see out his contract. but after seeing schuab put back out there.....well i just want to say hi to everyone in this thread :kitten:
 
Kubiak should be fired tonight and Dennison promoted to interim HC for the remainder of the season. I would prefer Sumlin replace him and build a spread offense around Keenum like he did at UofH, but that's a pipe dream.
 
Clown should have been gone years ago. Wade saved his job but didn't make him a better coach. He'll be someone's OC next
 
A wholesale change of players and letting the front office and the coaching staff remain intact is treating the symptoms and ignoring the disease. This team is lost in the FOG (Friends of Geary).

Geary calls the plays, the QB's cannot audible out unless it is to one of the other called plays. The play calling has been childish at best, which is why Case's best plays have been the product of him running for his life and improvising with the WR's (ask AJ) and the tight ends. On the other hand, Schaub cannot escape so he relies on dumping his famous 2 yd pass - either near one of our players or to one of theirs.

Kubiak's famed offense has been figured out, game-planned and every team is ready for it. To say it isn't is to ignore the fact that the Run and Shoot was once all the rage, as was the famed Dallas Flex-Defense. Gimmicks get figured out.

Time has come to get this team out of the FOG. Cut Geary, the special teams coach and the O-Line coach on Monday. Make Wade the interim head HC, Kollar the DC and move Dorrell to OC. Reorganize the position staff to fill out the gaps. Put Rick Smith and everyone left that they are on notice - they are coaching for their (and Rick's) jobs. The new special teams coach, the new OC and new DC will be responsible for their units (Wade will not DC) and everyone will be held responsible for their units.

Finish cleaning out the players that are lost in the FOG. Bench Schaub and Frig Newton. Tell the Kicker his next miss will be his last. If they pout, put them on the inactive list and activate someone that knows no one owes them a position (Keenum starts, Yates over Schaub).

This season can build toward the draft and next year, or it can suck and create a toxic and disorganized situation at draft time.
 
What some of us were saying years ago.

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Good points made in this thread from the pink soapers

consistently see too many opportunities to do the little things winning teams do, that we don't do. Like pick up additional yardage with 8 seconds on the clock and 1 timeout. Or try to get the ball to your best player inside the 10 yard line, not have him block on a play most saw coming.

4 years is long enough for someone to turn a team into a winner. Kubiak has failed to do so and other coaches have done it quicker and with no more to work with than Kubiak has had.

Kubiak's problem is he is too loyal to players and coaches that suck. Myers should be gone. Richard Smith should have been gone after his first season. Weaver was kept around too long. Chris Brown still sucks.

Cowher says he won't talk to any teams that still have a coach.

we are 1-5 in or division this year, and we got the 1 win against a team that was starting an 0-6 run. Kubiak has built a team whose achilles heel is the teams in its own division.

Every D in the league knows Schaub can only audible to run plays....so he doesn't audible.

McNair gave Dom Capers the boot as his head coach after four playoff-less seasons, and Kubiak now deserves the exact same treatment. Despite having some of the most gifted players in the league at several positions, the Texans lack heart, killer instinct and the know-how to win. If that's not a reflection on a head coach's leadership, what pray tell is?

Why wait until the end of the season? Getting the new guy, now, can get his feet onto the ground and with the players before the season is done.
four years without one winning season is failure.

do we hope Kubiak pulls it together next season and give him another year? And, if we do give him another year and he doesn't pull it off, we'll fire him, but that would put us a year behind where we COULD HAVE BEEN had we fired him THIS year.

Miami, Atlanta, Denver, New Orleans, I could go on. Teams can switch coaches and immediately make the playoffs.

am not for firing Kubiak just to fire him. it has to be an upgrade and this is the year for hiring a top head coach.

are you really going to bring Kubiak back as a lame duck coach without a contract or God forbid, re-sign him to an extension?

All of the stupid mistakes are on those coaches as much as the players.

Is it out of the question to think a new coach, with different strengths and weaknesses, might correct some of the long running problems with this team while building on the foundation Kubiak has put in place?

The team is getting better and better each year...the bad thing is the losses are more heartbreaking because the team is getting better and better.
Kubiak has only managed to beat Capers best record by one win...in 3 years. For a guy who has brought the team so far he sure does have a crappy record.

Given the Jekyll / Hyde of this team this team has shown from one half to the next in every game this year (w/ poss. exception of Bengals) one of two things must be true. Either: A) Kubiak & Co. performed miracles keepng us tied / ahead in games we had no business being in. or.. B) We are really as talented as we looked in the "good" half and the other half was so dreadfully coached, executed, etc. that it was painful to watch.

2009 - Week 13 - 5-7
2008 - Week 13 - 5-7
2007 - Week 13 - 5-7

At the end of the season, you are what your record says you are. When it's obvious that the talent has improved, but the record stays the same...who do you blame?

If this "improved" team finishes 8-8 next year, do you give Kubiak a new contract or let him go?

But can anybody really argue that Kubiak himself has improved? Does anyone yet have any confidence in Kubiak's clock management? Does anyone yet have any confidence in his game preparation? Does anybody yet have any confidence in his ability to make in-game adjustments? Does anybody yet have any confidence that, when the game is on the line, Kubiak will make the right decisions?

The team has improved under Kubiak. The Texans have better, more talented personnel. They're no longer the abomination of a team that they were pre-Kubiak.

But Kubiak is still making the same mistakes he made in his first season. If he's not going to get any better at his job, then why should he be kept around to drag the team down?

these are the teams that haven't made the playoffs since 2002. There's always next year!

Detroit Lions
Buffalo Bills
Houston Texans

Why assume that a replacement can't be found? Is it a complete lack of confidence in Bob McNair's ability to attract a competent and proven head coach? The reasoning that Kubiak should stay because the Texans are unable to bring in a quality coach is depressing. I guess I have more optimism. Maybe that's unfounded, but you can't fire the owner.
44 Kubiak coached games and absolutely zero big wins.

inability to win an important game or have more than 5 wins before week 14 in 3 years and 48 regular season games.

they come out of the bye with the idea that Chris Brown is their best option at HB... Moats looked great at Indy and today yet he couldn't get touches even with Slaton sidelined.

In the off-season, they inexplicably don't address the safety position. So, they are content with Barber, Wilson, and Ferguson as primary backup. We had cap room and also players like Sean Jones available for almost nothing.

still haven't figured out that our current group of OLmen can't run the zone scheme every freakin' play!

Why on earth is Kyle Shanahan more qualified to call plays than Matt Schaub? Schaub's intelligent and knows what he's doing. Instead, they continue to handcuff him.

Richard Smith lasted 3 seasons! that's too long. If you're working with a guy every day for years, it shouldn't take 3 years to realize he's a moron!
Inconsistency with teams are the head coach's responsibility, plain and simple.

What I don't get is, this team can't handle pressure of expectations. If Kubiak comes back next year, do they know how much pressure they will be under? It's going to be insane. If Gary even blinks wrong the fans are going to kill him.

One thing is for certain: It would be difficult to bring in any new assistants, when they know Kubiak is in his last season. So, McNair had better hope none of his assistants decide to retire (like Alex Gibbs) or move on to other club (like baby Shanny following his dad somewhere). It would also be difficult to sign a top free agent, when the coaching situation is unstabilized.


years is a long time period in the NFL. The average NFL career is less than 4 years. Most NFL player contracts are 4 years or less. A team has to be built in less than 4 years, or the players you are building around will be gone. That's just the reality that is the NFL. Great organizations realize this and constantly reload their talent. While winning.

What good is a top 10 YPG offense if it cnt score when the game is on the line?

McDaniels will accomplish something in his first season that Kubiak has failed to in four. It's about results. It's about performance. No one has to judge Kubiak on potential, like a draft prospect. Kubiak has a 4 year track record. And that record clearly show that he has not gotten the job done.
The coach also has to play the players who give them the best opportunity to win. Not take our best player off the field in crunch time like the 1st Jags game and Cardinals game. It would also help if we stopped forcing a square peg into a round hole (I.E. everything having to do with Chris Brown this season. MAYBE our 4th best RB?)

Chris Brown doesn't give us the best chance to win, yet we gave him the ball in crucial situations that contributed to 3 of our losses. That's on the coach for not getting the ball to a better player (like maybe that Andre Johnson guy?)

Lets not forget that we didn't sign Pollard until week 3 when our safety play was some of the worst in NFL history...
You know, it's the same thing EVERY year. We pick up rather meaningless wins in meaningless December games. I don't care that we won this game by 27 points. It doesn't really matter. I'm watching to see if the problems that we have been suffering from all season are getting worked out. And they aren't.

I watch other football teams, that can actually run the ball when they need to. Teams that have balance in their offense. We don't have that. Sure we can beat a 5-7 Seattle team that is injury riddled, and really just bad in almost every facet of the game. But when it comes to beating our division opponents, or just games that we need to win PERIOD, we fail using the same formula almost every time.

But there’s no doubt that Texans offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan will join his father Mike, probably in Washington when he returns to coaching next year. Kyle is a very bright coach who will be his father’s offensive coordinator.

Couldn't agree more, in fact, I feel what we saw today was just a continuation of the same old BS. The offense failed to play 4 quarters of football. If our competition had continued to play, we'd have probably seen the typical fold by our team at the end of the game.

Who the hell let's the foot off the gas in the second half like that seriously.. put them away keep your foot on the gas and keep going. Another playing not to lose half by Gary Kubiak, signed by Gary Kubiak..

The Texans are 7-25 against teams with winning records in the Kubiak era.
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aussie_texan said:
I was in the camp for keeping kubiak next year and to see out his contract. but after seeing schuab put back out there.....well i just want to say hi to everyone in this thread :kitten:
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I did not expect to see Schaub in the game. When he was in the game... it almost made sense. Keenum wasn't moving the ball. We had no chance to win, unless he made some miraculous play like the TD to Graham & the big play to Andre before that. But if you pull him, that miracle can't happen.

So when Schaub did come into the game, I knew we better win. If we don't win, there couldn't possibly be anyway to explain it. There's no coming back... he signed his resignation. What's he going to say, "Look we were able to move the ball with Matt!!"

So the Fck what. We couldn't score a TD when we needed one. That was just as much a reason to bench Schaub as the pick 6's, INTs, injury... the smart money is on Matt not throwing a TD, Ben Tate's got 4 broken ribs...

There's no way to explain it. None.
 
burro said:
Kubiak should be fired tonight and Dennison promoted to interim HC for the remainder of the season. I would prefer Sumlin replace him and build a spread offense around Keenum like he did at UofH, but that's a pipe dream.
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I agree with the Kubiak being fired tonight. I agree Dennison should be interim HC. Definitely not Wade. 28 points to a rookie undrafted free agent in his first start ever..... pfft.

I don't care about Keenum. Most everybody is looking past his faults but they're getting bigger & bigger to me. I can't see passing on a 1st round QB if Case can't move the ball on the Raiders. 22nd against the pass. & Ben Tate ran pretty well against the 7th ranked run defense.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with the Kubiak being fired tonight. I agree Dennison should be interim HC. Definitely not Wade. 28 points to a rookie undrafted free agent in his first start ever..... pfft.

I don't care about Keenum. Most everybody is looking past his faults but they're getting bigger & bigger to me. I can't see passing on a 1st round QB if Case can't move the ball on the Raiders. 22nd against the pass. & Ben Tate ran pretty well against the 7th ranked run defense.
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They either need to draft Jake Matthews, or get a pass rusher next to Watt. The draft is deep with QBs. Or possibly trade down for more picks.
 
I like mike holmgren. He's almost 65 but he's been to 3sbs with 2 teams. He's wco which is cool and he's probably cool with the 3-4. He will also bring some great asst coaches with him especially on the offensive side.

I like cowher a lot too,but I'm worried about him being away from that steelers structure.
 
leebigeztx said:
Can't pass a qb. Easier to find rts.
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you get a qb and risk youre defense sucking again

for all cases faukts, he is good enough to win with especially while we fix the rest of our team.

we need a new starter at

lg, rt, nt, olb, ilb, olb, cb, s

good luck filling those and drafting a qb high
 
While we're calling out players, has anyone found out if the texans were successfully able to peel Swearinger up off the turf after Jennings ran him over?

God that was bad.
 
I'm genuinely surprised we haven't heard the announcement yet. I can understand some apprehension because of the stroke, but dragging it out is only going to make it worse.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
They either need to draft Jake Matthews, or get a pass rusher next to Watt. The draft is deep with QBs. Or possibly trade down for more picks.
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No way you're going to bring a new regime in here & not take a QB. It's the most important position on the field & we don't have one. If Gary stays, Case has a future here. If they can land Sumlin (which I doubt, Sumlin is going to play out his contract) maybe. Other than that... we're drafting a 1st rounder.
 
Take this for what it's worth - I have a couple contacts with inside Texans info, was just told by one that the mood at Reliant this afternoon and evening was different that normal after recent losses. Apparently Bob McNair was visibly upset with someone or something, he and Cal and Rick Smith were meeting alone. I've been told that Bob is very high on Keenum, he likes Case and likes the spark he provides and also the way fans follow him. I was told not to be surprised with a firing tomorrow but again my source stressed that was just the thoughts of those at the offices this evening based on the unusual meetings and mood around Kirby. Again this is just what those working this evening felt in the offices...
 
Pollardized said:
Take this for what it's worth - I have a couple contacts with inside Texans info, was just told by one that the mood at Reliant this afternoon and evening was different that normal after recent losses. Apparently Bob McNair was visibly upset with someone or something, he and Cal and Rick Smith were meeting alone. I've been told that Bob is very high on Keenum, he likes Case and likes the spark he provides and also the way fans follow him. I was told not to be surprised with a firing tomorrow but again my source stressed that was just the thoughts of those at the offices this evening based on the unusual meetings and mood around Kirby. Again this is just what those working this evening felt in the offices...
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Don't go getting folks hopes up around here now.
 
amazing80 said:
you get a qb and risk youre defense sucking again

for all cases faukts, he is good enough to win with especially while we fix the rest of our team.

we need a new starter at

lg, rt, nt, olb, ilb, olb, cb, s

good luck filling those and drafting a qb high
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There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.
 
Pollardized said:
Take this for what it's worth - I have a couple contacts with inside Texans info, was just told by one that the mood at Reliant this afternoon and evening was different that normal after recent losses. Apparently Bob McNair was visibly upset with someone or something, he and Cal and Rick Smith were meeting alone. I've been told that Bob is very high on Keenum, he likes Case and likes the spark he provides and also the way fans follow him. I was told not to be surprised with a firing tomorrow but again my source stressed that was just the thoughts of those at the offices this evening based on the unusual meetings and mood around Kirby. Again this is just what those working this evening felt in the offices...
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SchaubApologist said:
chiefs are such frauds.

they will be exposed come playoff time.
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I agree that they are frauds this year. They haven't beat anybody and were beat soundly tonight, IMO.

That said.....the Chiefs are a QB away from being a SB contender. Reid walked into a fantastic situation there. They have a great defense, a great running game, and a good O-Line.

Reid did a great job upgrading the QB position in the offseason (Brady Quinn/Matt Cassell to Alex Smith) but that took them from struggling team to good team. They won't take the next step until they get better at QB.

Sound familiar?
 
mussop said:
People said the same thing about Jeff fisher.
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Fisher had 5 years pro experience as a player also and starred at USC. I'm not saying he (Baby Shanny) can't be a good hc but I don't think the situation in Houston is right for a really young first time head coach. The Texans need some serious leadership, direction, and discipline. And do you really want to sign up for Kubiak offense part deaux?
 
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We've had a defensive minded coach and an offensive minded coach. I'm hoping for a special teams minded coach.

Then after he gets fired McNair will have experience from all 3 phases of the game and take on a Jerry Jones role
 
Mr. Bob McNair and Cal,

There are many that think you only care about the money. There are many that think you have no clue on how to run a football team. if you really want a winner you need to take action.

I am not sure how it feels to be the owner of the Texans, the biggest disappointment in the NFL, but as a fan of the Texans it really sucks. We have no ability to change what is happening. You on the other hand have complete control to make a change.

Show the fans that you really do want a champion. Clean house including the GM. Understand it does not take forever to start over but it will take longer than forever to have a champion with this front office.
 
Honestly, if this coach and GM come back next year I think the love affair this city has with the team will be over..

Houston is a fickle market and if the Howard/Hardin combo kicks it into high gear we'll see more clutch-city type hype than love-ya-blu talk..

TJ
 
speedfreek said:
Honestly, if this coach and GM come back next year I think the love affair this city has with the team will be over..

Houston is a fickle market and if the Howard/Hardin combo kicks it into high gear we'll see more clutch-city type hype than love-ya-blu talk..

TJ
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Duh. This city is in love with winning. Once Texans win again, love will be right back.
 
I think McNair realizes that he can't bring back Kubiak next year. I believe it's just a matter of time before Kubiak is gone. Rick Smith I don't have a gut feeling on, but I honestly would be shocked if Kubiak is back next year, I really would.

So who replaces Kubiak is the question I worry about.
 
2012 Champs said BoB doesn't owe the fans anything.

He's unfortunately correct.

The only way to get to BoB is thru his wallet.
 
Thorn said:
I think McNair realizes that he can't bring back Kubiak next year. I believe it's just a matter of time before Kubiak is gone. Rick Smith I don't have a gut feeling on, but I honestly would be shocked if Kubiak is back next year, I really would.

So who replaces Kubiak is the question I worry about.
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Everything that Kubiak has done this season says should be fired, but I seriously doubt that will happen. I have resisted the urge to jump on the "McNair doesn't care because he's making big money regardless of the teams failure', but I am so dismayed that I don't even know what it will take to force McNair to admit this is a total failure of a team and hire people that know how to win.
 
Brandon420tx said:
We've had a defensive minded coach and an offensive minded coach. I'm hoping for a special teams minded coach.

Then after he gets fired McNair will have experience from all 3 phases of the game and take on a Jerry Jones role
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We could try a rugby coach.
 
Brandon420tx said:
We've had a defensive minded coach and an offensive minded coach. I'm hoping for a special teams minded coach.

Then after he gets fired McNair will have experience from all 3 phases of the game and take on a Jerry Jones role
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You need to get away from the old school I control the world coach . Bill B is controlling but I bet he doesn't get too much into Brady's business .
 
i think ive come to the conclusion that i want ray horton as our next head coach. everywhere has gone for the last DECADE, his defenses have been stout
 
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