All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[Nitrofish]

How many negative , game changing /breaking plays did Wilson make Vs Schaub ?!


Wilson 3 positive plays including a 4th down scramble that leads to a TD.

Schaub .... a pick six resulting in his giving opposing teams 31points from turnovers since the beginning of the season & the SeaDucks tying the score.


Just take the *** **** sack you frickin Moran!!!



Who's playin Qb for this team ....

Or this idiot ....

Hey float gucker , just take the damn sack!!!


Buck Fush.

Yea that's cute and all, but are you really giving all the credit to Wilson for what happened? There is no possible way that the D fell apart on that drive right? Because that would mean you would have to put some blame on someone other than Schaub right? It was just how damn good Wilson is, is that it? You are hilarious. I am sure that it was Schaub's fault that Tate fumbled, caused Daniels to allow a smaller man push him down and take the ball away from him, or that the D let Wilson run wild too right, or made Jackson commit a 15 yard personal foul to put the Hawks in FG range right?

You can keep coming up with all the anecdotal examples you want. It does not change the fact that Schaub did not lose the game. Trying to place the blame the loss on one guy is juvenile. It's easy to sit back in your lazy chair with a beer in your hands and say "Just take the damn sack" or "Just throw it away" but I imagine it is a bit harder when you are on the field. I could be wrong though.

 

[Nitrofish]

Take a look at this article. It has some good info on the upcoming match up between the Texans and the 49ers, but more importantly some stuff on Schaub and the offensive line problems. Below is a piece of the article I thought was interesting. Read the whole article.

Offense. The disconnect between yards, points and offensive efficiency come from inconsistency, particularly with 3rd down conversions. A lot of the inconsistency has come from an offensive line that hasn’t been able to be a steady 5, and injuries to that group.

If you look at Pro Football Focus’ game chart ratings (premium signup required, worth the money), you know what the one big-fat-glaring-neon-sign negative is?

Pass blocking. The Houston Texans have the lowest pass blocking rating in the NFL, according to their premium ratings, at -27.2.

To put that 32nd in the NFL rating into context, here are the final ratings for the last couple of years according to their numbers:

2013 to date: 32nd
2012: 11th (still a positive number)
2011: 7th
2010 5th
2009: 19th (still a positive number)
2008: 21st (a negative number)

So, if your option at quarterback is a guy who doesn’t have mobility as one of his assets, you better be able to fix your pass protection pronto. Does it get fixed with Duane Brown returning? With just more time with this group playing together? Reshuffling who is playing where at the expense of continuity?

The Texans evidently saw offensive line as an issue, drafting a few, but the new guys got hurt before the season started.

Lost in the pick-6 horror is that Matt Schaub wasn’t just taking sacks and self-sacks with pressures, but he was getting a lot of QB hurries and hits after the throw.

If you like looking at trains wrecking into car crashes, I want you to look at the hit that Matt Schaub took at the end of the half. It is the play where Michael Bennett was taken off the field. At the time, I wondered how Schaub would play in the second half.

The book on Schaub is to hit him as much as possible, before/after the throw, even if your team risks roughness penalties. Whatever your view on Schaub, if he can function at all, he stays in games but isn’t always as effective after taking a lot of hits. Obviously, it’s hard to stay in rhythm if you keep getting destroyed after you throw.

Looking at the past, Schaub stayed in the entire game where he broke his foot. He left a Jacksonville game with a non-throwing shoulder that was popped back in, and finished the game. The Denver game last year is one of the few where he took a ton of hits but still played well throughout.

In the Seattle game, he got hit in the head twice in the second half of the game. One of the hits took his helmet off. It could have been a game changer had either of those plays resulted in a penalty, but we do not get to entertain alternative histories.

Fans looking for various reasons for the start can look at all sorts of play calling or personnel factors. The bottom line is that unless the offensive line plays better, consistent offensive play is going to be difficult to achieve.

 

[thunderkyss]

In the Seattle game, he got hit in the head twice in the second half of the game. One of the hits took his helmet off. It could have been a game changer had either of those plays resulted in a penalty, but we do not get to entertain alternative histories.

Speaking of which... Has any fines been laid out for these hits?

 

[Nitrofish]

Speaking of which... Has any fines been laid out for these hits?

Good question. I have not heard of any yet, but because they were not called, does that mean they are not reviewed? Your guess is as good as mine, but I believe all of the fines that are going to be given already have been, so it looks as if because they were not called, they were not reviewed.

 

[Corrosion]

You can keep coming up with all the anecdotal examples you want. It does not change the fact that Schaub did not lose the game. Trying to place the blame the loss on one guy is juvenile. It's easy to sit back in your lazy chair with a beer in your hands and say "Just take the damn sack" or "Just throw it away" but I imagine it is a bit harder when you are on the field. I could be wrong though.

Im not placing the blame for "this loss" on Schaub alone , its easy to see there were a lot of other factors - Tates Fumble , Cushing going out and the defense being less effective .....


What Im talking about is much more than one game - Its a trend in the last 7 games. Ten INT's over that period of time with four of those being returned for scores.

Ive been a strong supporter of Schaub over the years here. But watching his performance over the last ~10 games , its hard to continue that support.

 

[thunderkyss]

Ive been a strong supporter of Schaub over the years here. But watching his performance over the last ~10 games , its hard to continue that support.

Mark my words. This Sunday will begin the rebirth of Matt Schaub. He's going to change the perception of him. They'll be calling him elite before the play offs start.

No lie.


Okay, maybe I don't believe this fully, but I'm working on it. I'll be 90% in by game time (thank God for a late start)

 

[Nitrofish]

Im not placing the blame for "this loss" on Schaub alone , its easy to see there were a lot of other factors - Tates Fumble , Cushing going out and the defense being less effective .....


What Im talking about is much more than one game - Its a trend in the last 7 games. Ten INT's over that period of time with four of those being returned for scores.

Ive been a strong supporter of Schaub over the years here. But watching his performance over the last ~10 games , its hard to continue that support.

Well, then I must be misreading what you are posting because it sure looks to me like you are placing all of the blame for the Hawks loss on Schaub.

I agree it has been a long term problem, but the problem is with the O Line, not with Schaub. Ever since the Texans lost Brisiel and Winston, this has been the problem. And we all thought Winston sucked at pass protection. I sure wish we had both of them back right now.

 

[Corrosion]

Mark my words. This Sunday will begin the rebirth of Matt Schaub. He's going to change the perception of him. They'll be calling him elite before the play offs start.

No lie.


Okay, maybe I don't believe this fully, but I'm working on it. I'll be 90% in by game time (thank God for a late start)

I sure hope you are right ..... I hate this negative feeling I have towards our QB right now.

Well, then I must be misreading what you are posting because it sure looks to me like you are placing all of the blame for the Hawks loss on Schaub.

I agree it has been a long term problem, but the problem is with the O Line, not with Schaub. Ever since the Texans lost Brisiel and Winston, this has been the problem. And we all thought Winston sucked at pass protection. I sure wish we had both of them back right now.

You aernt misreading - you are taking it out of context , out of proportion .... Schaub wasn't the only guy to make a mistake in that game (or any other) but he does shoulder a large chunk of the blame for their recent performances.


The QB is like the president , gets too much blame and too much credit.

 

[Nitrofish]

I sure hope you are right ..... I hate this negative feeling I have towards our QB right now.




You aernt misreading - you are taking it out of context , out of proportion .... Schaub wasn't the only guy to make a mistake in that game (or any other) but he does shoulder a large chunk of the blame for their recent performances.


The QB is like the president , gets too much blame and too much credit.

HA! If only that were true. Post a link to a thread where Schaub got any credit, let alone all of the credit.

I am not going to argue with you about your recent posts, I will let readers decide if you were blaming Schaub exclusively, and now are back tracking. I don't believe I took you out of context as I read all of your post in their entirety. But anything is possible.

 

[Corrosion]

HA! If only that were true. Post a link to a thread where Schaub got any credit, let alone all of the credit.

I am not going to argue with you about your recent posts, I will let readers decide if you were blaming Schaub exclusively, and now are back tracking. I don't believe I took you out of context as I read all of your post in their entirety. But anything is possible.

Im far from backtracking.


Schaub's performances have had a huge impact in the results of the past few games.

10 INT's in 7 games four of which are returned for TD's is flat out unacceptable. Its ultimately his decision to throw those balls .... and the ultimate responsibility for those decisions falls on him.


What I stop short of is saying "Its all his fault".

 

[thunderkyss]

I agree it has been a long term problem, but the problem is with the O Line, not with Schaub. Ever since the Texans lost Brisiel and Winston, this has been the problem. And we all thought Winston sucked at pass protection. I sure wish we had both of them back right now.

Winston did suck in pass protection. Matt's bad streak started when Newton got hurt. He's never recovered.

 

[ObsiWan]

Mark my words. This Sunday will begin the rebirth of Matt Schaub. He's going to change the perception of him. They'll be calling him elite before the play offs start.

No lie.Okay, maybe I don't believe this fully, but I'm working on it. I'll be 90% in od for a late start)

I've seen the results of your predictive abilities in the TexansTalk Pick 'Em game.
I am now officially worried.

 

[Nitrofish]

Winston did suck in pass protection. Matt's bad streak started when Newton got hurt. He's never recovered.

I would agree with that. What I am trying to point out is, Schaub has not regressed. He is still the same immobile QB he has always been. Last season he may have shown problems from the foot injury late in the season, but the foot is not the problem this season. His pass protection is what has regressed.

Until that problem is resolved, I do not care who you put back there, they will fail. Yea Yates or Keenum will run around allot more, and yeah they will pick up some first downs, but ultimately you cannot run you QB around all year long running for his life. It disrupts the rest of the offense all for the sake of extending plays. I think the simple example, at least in Kubiak's eyes is. The Tortoise and the Hare. Slow and steady.

 

[thunderkyss]

I've seen the results of your predictive abilities in the TexansTalk Pick 'Em game.
I am now officially worried.

You had to bring that up??

Everybody else was letting me quietly drag the bottom.... you gotta say something.

 

[Corrosion]

I would agree with that. What I am trying to point out is, Schaub has not regressed. He is still the same immobile QB he has always been. Last season he may have shown problems from the foot injury late in the season, but the foot is not the problem this season. His pass protection is what has regressed.

Until that problem is resolved, I do not care who you put back there, they will fail. Yea Yates or Keenum will run around allot more, and yeah they will pick up some first downs, but ultimately you cannot run you QB around all year long running for his life. It disrupts the rest of the offense all for the sake of extending plays. I think the simple example, at least in Kubiak's eyes is. The Tortoise and the Hare. Slow and steady.

We said the same thing about HHWNBM I don't know how many times .... then after he left , we realized many of those sacks and protection breakdowns were his fault.

 

[thunderkyss]

We said the same thing about HHWNBM I don't know how many times .... then after he left , we realized many of those sacks and protection breakdowns were his fault.

Uh..... y'all said the same thing about HHWNWBM. I told y'all he was creating those sacks. I remember saying if you've changed out all five positions, some more than once.... it's probably not the OL.

That said, comparing Schaub to Carr is a bit premature, though we're getting closer to that. I mentioned in another thread the "most blitzed QB in the NFL" stat is telling. He's not beating the blitz & DCs feel the rewards of blitzing him are well worth the risk (6 points).

He's got to fix that. No one else can. Throwing 2 yards short of the sticks doesn't help his cause. It only makes it worse.

Pushing the score, converting 3rd downs.... those have got to become more important to Matt Schaub than they are now. Sure, he's not a duma55, he knows they're important. But when we're down by 2 scores in the 4th qtr, like the Chargers game, it's like Defcon5 for Matt. He needs that sense of urgency when we've just scored 14 points on the best defense in the NFL & they just fumbled the ball on their own 19 yard line.

He's got to believe a TD there would have knocked the wind out of the Seahawks, & kicking them when they're down is the most humane thing he could do (as opposed to the long agonizing effects of letting them back in the game & letting his team down).

Then if the Seahawks still have a little spunk in them, he's got to resolve to do it again, & again, & again until the clock reads 0:00

 

[Corrosion]

Uh..... y'all said the same thing about HHWNWBM. I told y'all he was creating those sacks. I remember saying if you've changed out all five positions, some more than once.... it's probably not the OL.

That said, comparing Schaub to Carr is a bit premature, though we're getting closer to that. I mentioned in another thread the "most blitzed QB in the NFL" stat is telling. He's not beating the blitz & DCs feel the rewards of blitzing him are well worth the risk (6 points).

He's got to fix that. No one else can. Throwing 2 yards short of the sticks doesn't help his cause. It only makes it worse.

Pushing the score, converting 3rd downs.... those have got to become more important to Matt Schaub than they are now. Sure, he's not a duma55, he knows they're important. But when we're down by 2 scores in the 4th qtr, like the Chargers game, it's like Defcom5 for Matt. He needs that sense of urgency when we've just scored 14 points on the best defense in the NFL & they just fumbled the ball on their own 19 yard line.

He's got to believe a TD there would have knocked the wind out of the Seahawks, & kicking them when they're down is the most humane thing he could do (as opposed to the long agonizing effects of letting them back in the game & letting his team down).

Then if the Seahawks still have a little spunk in them, he's got to resolve to do it again, & again, & again until the clock reads 0:00

I'd rep you if I could .... One of your best posts.

 

[Nitrofish]

Uh..... y'all said the same thing about HHWNWBM. I told y'all he was creating those sacks. I remember saying if you've changed out all five positions, some more than once.... it's probably not the OL.

That said, comparing Schaub to Carr is a bit premature, though we're getting closer to that. I mentioned in another thread the "most blitzed QB in the NFL" stat is telling. He's not beating the blitz & DCs feel the rewards of blitzing him are well worth the risk (6 points).

He's got to fix that. No one else can. Throwing 2 yards short of the sticks doesn't help his cause. It only makes it worse.

Pushing the score, converting 3rd downs.... those have got to become more important to Matt Schaub than they are now. Sure, he's not a duma55, he knows they're important. But when we're down by 2 scores in the 4th qtr, like the Chargers game, it's like Defcom5 for Matt. He needs that sense of urgency when we've just scored 14 points on the best defense in the NFL & they just fumbled the ball on their own 19 yard line.

He's got to believe a TD there would have knocked the wind out of the Seahawks, & kicking them when they're down is the most humane thing he could do (as opposed to the long agonizing effects of letting them back in the game & letting his team down).

Then if the Seahawks still have a little spunk in them, he's got to resolve to do it again, & again, & again until the clock reads 0:00

Do you really think he doesn't? Do you really think it is only h\up to him what happens? That if he has enough will power it will happen just the way he envisions it no matter what happens with the blocking up front, or people dropping passes? Do you honestly believe he thinks "man a FG here would be kewl"?? You can't be serious. Schaub, like any QB needs help for that to happen. He cannot do it on his own.

 

[thunderkyss]

Do you really think he doesn't? Do you really think it is only h\up to him what happens? That if he has enough will power it will happen just the way he envisions it no matter what happens with the blocking up front, or people dropping passes? Do you honestly believe he thinks "man a FG here would be kewl"?? You can't be serious. Schaub, like any QB needs help for that to happen. He cannot do it on his own.

Why are you still asking this question? I've been saying exactly that for the last three days. Sure... it's a team game, someone's got to catch the ball, well, we've got one of the best in the game & we got Matt a shiny new toy. Sure, the OL has to do their job. But when they pay the guys on the other side of the ball from stopping you from doing what you want to do, you just have to be better than they are.

The examples I gave you in the other thread (or maybe this thread, I don't know) Matt did 90% of what he needed to do. He just needs to finish.

Remember when Antonio was always getting close, but never finishing? Well our defense got better when he started finishing, when he was setting career high sack counts year after year (2011 was a career year, 2012 was a career year)... well we need Matt to be better than he's ever been before. We need him to have a career year, to go where we want to go & do what we want to do.

We need him to finish those plays.

There was one, where he got out of the pocket, & threw what would have been a 3rd down conversion to Martin. That's not on him. maybe the ball could have been better thrown, but Martin had an opportunity to make a play..... that's all I'm asking Matt to do.

After the Lynch fumble, & Matt scrambled to his left & threw it out of bounds... no one had a chance to make a play but him & he didn't. He could have put the jump ball up for DeAndre, or if he'd have looked around he'd have seen Andre in the back of the end zone.

I'm not asking him to move mountains, I'm just asking for another 10%

Hopefully, that's what he's talking about when he says he's going to cut it lose. That he's going to give Andre an opportunity to beat that deep coverage. Or give DeAndre an opportunity to stab that dagger in Seattles heart.

That was a great catch Baldwin made to keep that drive alive...... yes, the only catch he made in the game. Had Matt been his QB he never would have thrown that ball, Baldwin never would have had the opportunity to make that catch.

Now... don't come back at me with that wounded duck he threw that Sherman took. Yes he gave Owen an opportunity to make a play, I like that. But he did so out of frustration. We don't make good decisions when we're frustrated.

 

[76Texan]

The Texans do need to do a better job on protection (and that include the TE and the backs); however, the D has generated more pressure on opposing QBs (except Rivers).

Schaub didn't lose the last game by himself, that's for sure, but he didn't do enough to win the game. He didn't pull his weight; and that's the bottom line.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

The Texans do need to do a better job on protection (and that include the TE and the backs); however, the D has generated more pressure on opposing QBs (except Rivers).

Schaub didn't lose the last game by himself, that's for sure, but he didn't do enough to win the game. He didn't pull his weight; and that's the bottom line.

As more of the O is spread out to receive (TEs, RBs), Schaub has more receiving options, but doesn't/can't take advantage of it, since he can't seem to go through all the reads fast enough for the best choice, and seems to end up going straight to his favorite single target, throwing it away or eating it. If there are TEs/RBs held back to pass block, then he has less receiving targets, and he seemingly has increased tunnel vision on who he targets anyway.

 

[Lucky]

... well we need Matt to be better than he's ever been before. We need him to have a career year, to go where we want to go & do what we want to do.

We need him to finish those plays.

That's it. He has to do his job. The winning QBs in this league get the job done without excuses. No QB has a perfect team behind him. Schaub has to make this offense work as is. And frankly, he has more to work with than other QBs who are getting it done (Brady, Rivers, and Luck, for example).

 

[Corrosion]

That's it. He has to do his job. The winning QBs in this league get the job done without excuses. No QB has a perfect team behind him. Schaub has to make this offense work as is. And frankly, he has more to work with than other QBs who are getting it done (Brady, Rivers, and Luck, for example).

Yeah , he has a hell of an offense around him , Foster & Tate. OD and Graham 80 and Hopkins.


No QB in the league has that much talent around him .... at least in my opinion.

 

[thunderkyss]

Yeah , he has a hell of an offense around him , Foster & Tate. OD and Graham 80 and Hopkins.


No QB in the league has that much talent around him .... at least in my opinion.

& he's got a bad as5 defense. Shouldn't have to score 30 points a week to win.

 

[Corrosion]

& he's got a bad as5 defense. Shouldn't have to score 30 points a week to win.

When you put that into perspective - all the weapons around him and a very strong defense .... Its on Schaub. No more excuses.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Despite all the big O stat numbers, while watching Schaub and the Texans, have you ever gotten the feeling that we're indeed always going somewhere, but still so often never quite seem to get there? Well, Pro-Football-Reference.com gives us a hint to why we may be getting that feeling. The Texans' percentage of drives leading to a score is a very unimpressive 28.8% (18th in NFL).

Compare that to:

1 Denver Broncos 52.0%
2 San Diego Chargers 46.5%
3 Indianapolis Colts 43.9%
4 Green Bay Packers 41.7%
5 New Orleans Saints 41.7%
6 Atlanta Falcons 40.5%
7 Seattle Seahawks 38.8%

 

[beerlover]

great stat doc, what is their red zone efficiency? Sure seems as field compresses the inability to extend plays from QB position costs points directly, number of hurries, sacks, bad throws, closed windows, ball security, list goes on & on

 

[DX-TEX]

Here is a scary hypothetical for everyone:

What would you do if Schaub throws a game killing Pick 6 this week?

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I would Kiffen him and leave him in San Fran for his own safety.

 

[ObsiWan]

Despite all the big O stat numbers, while watching Schaub and the Texans, have you ever gotten the feeling that we're indeed always going somewhere, but still so often never quite seem to get there? Well, Pro-Football-Reference.com gives us a hint to why we may be getting that feeling. The Texans' percentage of drives leading to a score is a very unimpressive 28.8% (18th in NFL).

Compare that to:

1 Denver Broncos 52.0%
2 San Diego Chargers 46.5%
3 Indianapolis Colts 43.9%
4 Green Bay Packers 41.7%
5 New Orleans Saints 41.7%
6 Atlanta Falcons 40.5%
7 Seattle Seahawks 38.8%

It's data that supports the crowd that's been telling us (for years it seems) that Schaub is good-to-very good between the twenties but not good in converting those fancy yardage and completion stats into points.

Hard to argue with the data.
Query: is this just for this season or over his career with the Texans?


Is it possible to have an offense that bends but doesn't break (into the endzone)?

 

[ObsiWan]

Here is a scary hypothetical for everyone:

What would you do if Schaub throws a game killing Pick 6 this week?

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I would Kiffen him and leave him in San Fran for his own safety.

Watch and cheer them on next week.


The real question is what will Kubiak do?

 

[Houston_Fanatic]

Saw this banner at an HEB this past week and couldn't resist a little editing....

 

[mussop]

Yes Schaub is not the answer. I think everyone finally agrees with that. Well anyone with any sense. Still won't matter. Put whoever you want in. In the long run this system is going to hold back whoever is in there. When you are coached to be as conservative possible and your coach doesn't allow you to make play's or make adjustments to counter the defense eventually were going to end up right back here where we are with Schaub.


No matter whos in there Teams will just continue to give us the underneath stuff allowing us to rack up yards and on 2nd and 3rd and long apply pressure and key in on the check-down. Our only chance for success with this offense is if we have a very mobile QB that can create plays on his own when things breakdown.

 

[burro]

Here is a scary hypothetical for everyone:

What would you do if Schaub throws a game killing Pick 6 this week?

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I would Kiffen him and leave him in San Fran for his own safety.

If he does, I would reevaluate who our best option at QB is and likely come to the depressing conclusion that, for this season at least, it's still Matt Schaub.

Fortunately, I doubt it happens. Even if it's a losing effort, Schaub will be laser focused on not throwing picks to the extent that it probably leads to more sacks and throw aways than we'd like to see. Regardless, nobody should complain about "the fetal position" after what happened last week when he forced a pass under pressure.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

great stat doc, what is their red zone efficiency? Sure seems as field compresses the inability to extend plays from QB position costs points directly, number of hurries, sacks, bad throws, closed windows, ball security, list goes on & on

[doesn't break it down to FG vs TD]

2012---------54.69%
-----home---------------50.00%
-----away----------------60.71%
last 3 games-------------40.00%

2013---------66.67%
------home--------------71.43%
------away---------------60.00%

BUT

last 3 games------55.56%
(last game---------33.33%)



Rush Play %-----37.75%
Pass Play %------62.25%
Completion %----65.54%
3D Conv %-------35.59%

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team/houston-texans

 

[Corrosion]

Yes Schaub is not the answer. I think everyone finally agrees with that. Well anyone with any sense. Still won't matter. Put whoever you want in. In the long run this system is going to hold back whoever is in there. When you are coached to be as conservative possible and your coach doesn't allow you to make play's or make adjustments to counter the defense eventually were going to end up right back here where we are with Schaub.


No matter whos in there Teams will just continue to give us the underneath stuff allowing us to rack up yards and on 2nd and 3rd and long apply pressure and key in on the check-down. Our only chance for success with this offense is if we have a very mobile QB that can create plays on his own when things breakdown.

You make a lot of assumptions here .... Assuming that Kubiak is holding back Schaub (or another QB) when it really could be the other way around , and when you consider Schaub's inadequacies - arm strength , lack of mobility and recent poor decision making .... can you blame the coach for a conservative plan when all signs point to the QB not being capable of more ?!

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

You make a lot of assumptions here .... Assuming that Kubiak is holding back Schaub (or another QB) when it really could be the other way around , and when you consider Schaub's inadequacies - arm strength , lack of mobility and recent poor decision making .... can you blame the coach for a conservative plan when all signs point to the QB not being capable of more ?!

No you couldn't. Kubiak knows what he has in Schaub. He will be too much of a gentlemen to put a name to it or let you know..........until he is ready to replace Schaub on the field. His choice is getting less difficult with each game.

 

[mussop]

You make a lot of assumptions here .... Assuming that Kubiak is holding back Schaub (or another QB) when it really could be the other way around , and when you consider Schaub's inadequacies - arm strength , lack of mobility and recent poor decision making .... can you blame the coach for a conservative plan when all signs point to the QB not being capable of more ?!

I'm not making any assumptions. Have you been under a rock since Kubiak got here? It's well documented how much Kubiak shackles Schaub. It's been that way since the beginning. If he was only doing it to cover up Schaubs inabilities then why the hell would he stick with him this long?

 

[bOODRO87]

Despite all the big O stat numbers, while watching Schaub and the Texans, have you ever gotten the feeling that we're indeed always going somewhere, but still so often never quite seem to get there? Well, Pro-Football-Reference.com gives us a hint to why we may be getting that feeling. The Texans' percentage of drives leading to a score is a very unimpressive 28.8% (18th in NFL).

Compare that to:

1 Denver Broncos 52.0%
2 San Diego Chargers 46.5%
3 Indianapolis Colts 43.9%
4 Green Bay Packers 41.7%
5 New Orleans Saints 41.7%
6 Atlanta Falcons 40.5%
7 Seattle Seahawks 38.8%

Great stat, Doc. Very telling. Our current 3rd down conversion rate is 21/59. I heard a stat on the radio about how little the Broncos even reach a third down. I wish I could find it.

P.S., How do I send someone a rep?

Edit: I found the Broncos stat from the Philly game.

THIRD DOWNS: Teams always talk about getting off the field on third down, but the Eagles couldn’t even put the Broncos in third-down situations to begin with.

Manning drove Denver on a trio of touchdown drives in the third quarter covering 80, 80 and 65 yards, and not once did the Broncos face a third down in any of them.

Denver collected 35 first downs overall and only five of them were on third-down conversions.

 

[gafftop]

Watching Extra Points and they keep showing THE PLAY.
Look at it again and tell me this guy is going to lead us to the SB.
He shows no idea that he understands the QB position. This is not the first time he has done this. He assumes his receiver is going to be over and tries to make a quick throw to deceive defense. Look to make sure open first. It is not like we are throwing to a speedster that can break it for a TD. We are throwing to 81 that will be lucky to run 10 yards if he is wide open. I don't think that type of play is worth it unless you can make a big play every once in a while.

I think Kubiak needs to handle Matt like a rookie and tell him the obvious like before the play, " Matt if it isn't open eat the ball so the clock continues to run."
After the game Matt said he should have thrown it at his feet.

 

[ObsiWan]

Watching Extra Points and they keep showing THE PLAY.
Look at it again and tell me this guy is going to lead us to the SB.
He shows no idea that he understands the QB position. This is not the first time he has done this. He assumes his receiver is going to be over and tries to make a quick throw to deceive defense. Look to make sure open first. It is not like we are throwing to a speedster that can break it for a TD. We are throwing to 81 that will be lucky to run 10 yards if he is wide open. I don't think that type of play is worth it unless you can make a big play every once in a while.

I think Kubiak needs to handle Matt like a rookie and tell him the obvious like before the play, " Matt if it isn't open eat the ball so the clock continues to run."
After the game Matt said he should have thrown it at his feet.

After watching the play over and over myself, there's one thing that's been glossed over: Watch OD. He throws up both hands in the classic "I'm open" pose. He basically tells Schaub he's open then proceeds to let the DB run up his back and take the ball. Look at the angle. I wonder if Schaub could even see the DB behind OD with the oncoming blitzer in his face.

I also wonder if that shouldn't have been PI since the DB ran thru OD while the ball was in the air to make the pick.

Still, if there was any doubt, he shouldn't have thrown it.

 

[gafftop]

After watching the play over and over myself, there's one thing that's been glossed over: Watch OD. He throws up both hands in the classic "I'm open" pose. He basically tells Schaub he's open then proceeds to let the DB run up his back and take the ball. Look at the angle. I wonder if Schaub could even see the DB behind OD with the oncoming blitzer in his face.

I also wonder if that shouldn't have been PI since the DB ran thru OD while the ball was in the air to make the pick.

Still, if there was any doubt, he shouldn't have thrown it.

Just got finished throwing up again after watching play. Is there any QB even close to MS is lack of physical ability and pocket presence. He is in full retreat and awkwardly tries to throw the ball. Not only was it a weak throw it was not accurate. Throw was wrong on EVERY level. Can someone post full play so every one can see.

 

[thunderkyss]

Here is a scary hypothetical for everyone:

What would you do if Schaub throws a game killing Pick 6 this week?

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I would Kiffen him and leave him in San Fran for his own safety.

I'm going to go out tomorrow & buy a puppy. That way if Schaub throws a pick 6 (& I really don't think he has any influence over whether it's returned for 6 or not, that's just bad luck) I'm going to kick the sht out of that puppy.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I'm going to go out tomorrow & buy a puppy. That way if Schaub throws a pick 6 (& I really don't think he has any influence over whether it's returned for 6 or not, that's just bad luck) I'm going to kick the sht out of that puppy.

How bout if you just leave the puppy with the kids.........and go meet and kick the $H*T out of Schaub when he gets off the plane?

 

[thunderkyss]

You make a lot of assumptions here .... Assuming that Kubiak is holding back Schaub (or another QB) when it really could be the other way around , and when you consider Schaub's inadequacies - arm strength , lack of mobility and recent poor decision making .... can you blame the coach for a conservative plan when all signs point to the QB not being capable of more ?!

It really don't matter to me. I don't care how conservative we are, as long as we win games. We won 12 of them bad boys last year & one January of this year (I was there, I saw it).

We don't challenge deep safeties over man coverage. So what, they're giving us the first down underneath. We don't throw into the endzone, so what we've got two badas5 RBs & one of them is especially tough around the goal line.

Yeah, we'll run into problems from time to time. We might lose a game or two.... it happens. But get our backs against the wall & we'll test them deep, we'll throw into the endzone... but we might make a mistake.

 

[thunderkyss]

Look at it again and tell me this guy is going to lead us to the SB.

I sure would like for Andre to lead us to the Super Bowl. Or Arian. I don't have a problem with Matt doing it... but I'm not expecting him to. I just want him to play his part.

 

[thunderkyss]

After watching the play over and over myself, there's one thing that's been glossed over: Watch OD. He throws up both hands in the classic "I'm open" pose. He basically tells Schaub he's open then proceeds to let the DB run up his back and take the ball. Look at the angle. I wonder if Schaub could even see the DB behind OD with the oncoming blitzer in his face.

I also wonder if that shouldn't have been PI since the DB ran thru OD while the ball was in the air to make the pick.

Still, if there was any doubt, he shouldn't have thrown it.

I mentioned it days ago. Nobody wants to talk about it. If there wasn't so much attention on Schaub... if he hadn't thrown 2 pick 6es already, they would be saying the receiver has to help his QB, can't sit & wait for the ball.

As far as PI, Sherman can play through Owen if he's going for the ball. If it was just a hit to try to stop OD from catching it, that would be pass interference.

 

[thunderkyss]

How bout if you just leave the puppy with the kids.........and go meet and kick the $H*T out of Schaub when he gets off the plane?

Uh... I only talk sht on the internet. I'm not "really" a bad ass.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Uh... I only talk sht on the internet. I'm not "really" a bad ass.

I'd still like to see you kick the sht out of Schaub if he throws another INT.

 

[gafftop]

I sure would like for Andre to lead us to the Super Bowl. Or Arian. I don't have a problem with Matt doing it... but I'm not expecting him to. I just want him to play his part.

I should have said be the QB of a team that makes it to the SB. 2011 Matt could but 2013 Matt is a shadow of 2011 Matt.

I will predict MS for some reason or another will not finish season as starting QB. Have they done a concussion study on him?

 

[DocBar]

I should have said be the QB of a team that makes it to the SB. 2011 Matt could but 2013 Matt is a shadow of 2011 Matt.

I will predict MS for some reason or another will not finish season as starting QB. Have they done a concussion study on him?

They need to do a gonad and heart study on him. He doesn't appear to have either.

Schaub just doesn't have the right stuff.