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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

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Nitrofish said:
Ok so what you are saying is that all of the INT's were Schaub's fault and the rest of the team and coach have nothing to do with them? Isn't that being a bit excessive blaming one guy even though this is a team game? Surely you do not believe that other factors were not involved in those INT's? So when the fans lay all of that at the feet of their QB and give passes to other mistakes by coaches and other players, it seems fair weather to me no matter how you slice it.

All this talk about putting Yates or Keenum in 4 weeks into the season because Schaub has made some mistakes is hilarious and desperate. The Schaub haters have been clamoring for years to get rid of Schaub, and now they smell blood in the water and have ramped up their emotional rhetoric in an attempt to say "see. I told you so." That is not supporting your team.

I am not saying there are not fair weather fans from other franchises, of course there are, but that does not mean the entire fan base feels the way they do. You assume because of all of the negativity on this board, or the fair weather posts people make on the official FB posts that all Texans fans hate Schaub and blame everything on him.

I mean how many active members does this board have? Is it a tiny fraction of ALL Texans fans? I would remind you what it was like to be without a team and how that felt, and then finally get a team and suffer through what a really bad team is, so yeah... I think there are way too many whiners on this board who complain about the dumbest things, and this mob mentality where you all gather your torches and pitch forks so you can burn Schaub's jersey, or ignore all of the good he has done for the franchise because you only see, or want to point on his mistakes make me sick as a fan.

Schaub looked like an elite QB in the first half of the Seahawks game, carving up the leagues no.1 D like it was child's play. But all some of you can do is talk about 1 play. 1 play that should never have been called, and pretend that it was that play that lost the game. That only ties the score, it did not lost the game. What lost the game was when Cushing went out, and suddenly Wilson is running all over the Texans D, and even then, the play that ultimately lost the game was the penalty on Jackson. That gave them a first down they did not earn, and put them in scoring position. Where is all of the hate and jersey burning towards Jackson?

No, instead fair weather fans pick the easy scape goat and ignore everything else. I mean how much worse can it get when our starting QB must be escorted by police to give an interview about a game? That is allot more shameful than Schaub's pick 6 in my book.

Edit: And one more thing... What about Tate's fumble? Where are all of you Tate is better than Foster guys now and how does that not play into this loss, yet I hear nary a word about that play. The Texans gave that game away, not Schaub alone.
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Ya wheres the Tate Fumble thread????
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20131001/matt-schaub-houston-texans/?sct=nfl_wr_a2

Imagine how strange and downright novel it must feel to be Tony Romo about now, waking up each day as merely the second-most embattled NFL quarterback in Texas. He owes Houston's Matt Schaub for that one.
Watching Schaub's struggles in recent weeks, Bill Walsh's devastatingly succinct critique of Steve DeBerg, his first 49ers starting quarterback, keeps coming to mind: "He plays just good enough to get you beat.''
It's a cruel summation to render about anyone, especially a quarterback who has contributed significantly to the franchise's first two playoff berths in its history the past two seasons, but that's kind of where things stand with Schaub in his shaky Texans tenure at this juncture.

In his seventh season as Houston's full-time starter, he is no longer viewed as part of the solution, he is part of the problem. The main problem, judging by the sound and fury (and arson-related antics) coming from irate Houston fans and some in the media. And Schaub keeps getting the Texans beat with rookie-like mistakes, as he did again Sunday with that brutal pick-six to Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman in the final minutes of regulation.
If you're scoring at home, that makes three consecutive games in which Schaub has gifted his opponent with an interception return for a touchdown, a ghastly streak that has been matched by only three other quarterbacks in the past 20 years, according to research by the Elias Sports Bureau. That the Colts' Peyton Manning (in 2001) and the Broncos' John Elway (in 1994) are on that dubious list proves it's a passing slump that's survivable. At least if your last name is Manning or Elway, which pretty much exempts Schaub.
Schaub's glaring, game-turning miscue occurred much earlier in Week 3's Texans' loss at Baltimore, but it was just as ugly. With Houston dominating the game statistically despite scoring just six points on a pair of first-half field goals, Schaub threw a ghastly interception to Ravens inside linebacker Daryl Smith, who returned it 37 yards for a touchdown with 2:39 left in the first half, giving Baltimore a lead it would never relinquish in the 30-9 victory.
Those two picks have changed the tenor of the season in Houston for the time being, after the Texans rallied to gutty wins at San Diego and home against Tennessee in Weeks 1-2, getting off to a 2-0 for the second year in a row. With a month of the schedule gone, Houston (2-2) trails both Indianapolis and Tennessee (3-1) in the AFC South, and is in the midst of an ultra-challenging stretch that includes Sunday night's big-stage game at San Francisco, a Week 7 trip to turnaround-team-of-the-year Kansas City and a post-bye showdown against the visiting Colts in Week 9.

The Texans simply can't afford the kind of self-inflicted wounds Schaub keeps producing at this stage of their development. They're not an ascending AFC playoff wannabe any more, they're an established, two-time division champion trying to seize their Super Bowl window of opportunity. Right now. Did you see the look on J.J. Watt's bloodied face after the excruciating and inexcusable loss to the Seahawks? This is no time to preach patience and talk about learning from one's mistakes. The training wheels have long since come off for Schaub and the Texans. Schaub is in his 10th NFL season and is supposed to be past the point of consistently making these kind of blunders. Houston's defense has given up just four touchdowns in the past three games, but Schaub has nearly matched that, serving up three all by himself. All told, Schaub has tossed at least one pick in Houston's past seven games, including the playoffs. The Texans are a decidedly mediocre 3-4 over that span, and after 2012's sparkling 11-1 start, Houston is just 4-6 in its past 10 games, including the postseason. Schaub threw for 355 yards and a pair of touchdowns against Seattle's tough defense, completing 31-of-49 passes to eight receivers. But he also threw two interceptions, and Houston's three turnovers led to 13 Seahawks points in a game the Texans outgained Seattle 476-270. Schaub's record fell to 1-5 in his last six games against 2012 playoff teams, and the buzzards started circling.The Texans fans who chose the rather sophomoric stunt of burning Schaub's jersey in the parking lot after the Seattle loss aren't what the veteran quarterback has to concern himself with. The trouble will come if his turnover struggles continue and his teammates or the coaching staff/front office start to view backup T.J. Yates or home-state fan favorite Case Keenum as a more viable QB option. We're not there now, but it's never a long way off in the NFL. Even for a guy like Schaub, who threw for 4,005 yards last season, with 22 touchdowns, a 64.3 completion percentage and a solid 90.7 passing rating.

Head coach Gary Kubiak and the Texans locker room sound solidly in Schaub's corner for now. But the Houston Chronicle report that Texans running back Arian Foster called a players-only meeting on Monday is a sure sign that all is not copacetic in Texans-land. As a result, Schaub will enter the primetime game against San Francisco with more pressure bearing down on his shoulder pads than he has ever experienced in his stint as a Texan. That's the reality of the situation, whether there's a decent reservoir of support for Schaub or not at the moment. He's one more damaging pick-six away from crisis territory.

Reading all the available tea leaves, I think it's all but over for Schaub in Houston and there won't be any way to put this genie completely back in the bottle. As many coaches and players believe, you're either getting better or you're getting worse in the NFL, and at best, Schaub's play has leveled off, putting him squarely among the ranks of quarterbacks who are good but far from elite. He has clearly helped Houston get to this point, but winning one playoff game and going out in the AFC divisional round two years running wasn't the goal the Texans were chasing. There were bigger dreams than that, but I'm convinced Schaub isn't the quarterback who's going to lead Houston those last few difficult rungs up the ladder. He was the right guy for a certain stage of the Texans' climb to relevance, but he hasn't raised his game as the stakes have increased.

Never a particularly demonstrative leader even when he was at his most successful, Schaub's body language and postgame demeanor seemed particularly defeated and downtrodden on Sunday. Understandable, of course, after that demoralizing turn of events. But that's when a quarterback needs to be his most defiant and resilient, and send the message to his coaches and teammates that his turnaround has already begun. At least mentally. Fiery isn't always good, but sometimes a dose of emotion is needed.
Schaub seemed at a total loss to explain or understand the game-changing mistakes that keep happening, and that makes it difficult to believe he knows how to fix the problem. Are there many who truly envision his best football being still to come in Houston? Chances seem better that it's in the past, but the Texans are a team that still must make the best of it with Schaub as their franchise quarterback in 2013. At least until they think they have no choice but to play Yates or Keenum.

According to a ProFootballTalk.com report on Monday, the Texans can escape from the four-year $69.7 million contract extension they awarded Schaub last September without great pain if they choose that path. The salary cap charges will be $3.5 million in 2014 if he's cut after June 1, and $7 million in 2015. But they also haven't guaranteed any of the $40 million he's still owed from the deal after 2013, and that's an important element of their out clause.
Schaub's play in the coming weeks will dictate which way his future unfolds in Houston. But the signs are beginning to look ominous. If the "just good enough to get you beat'' trend continues, his career as the Texans' No. 1 quarterback almost certainly won't.
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chenjy9 said:
Speak for yourself. I think it's hilarious and well deserved. Schaub deserves every bit of hate for his performances.
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ok you think? You have never screwed up on your job? You idiots need to realize that this is a game first. The last thing I want is the guy to get gunshy. Most of the bashers have probably never done anything athletic in their lives and don't understand how hard it is. Its not like the Seahawks are a bunch of chumps.
 
Come On Breh said:
im so glad the national media has finally started bashing Schaub unlike the chronicle (only major newspaper in town) who babies schaub more than kubiak.

So glad that all the major sports outlets have started putting the heat on schaub because he has gotten away with it for far too long here in houston because of the utterly soft (probably paid off media see tania ganguli & mclain) houston media.

Congrats on being two years late.
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You are not a true fan rookie. You are a bandwagon fan. Just jump off now please.
 
chenjy9 said:
When Tate averages basically a turnover a game for god knows how many games now, then we can talk about Tate in the same light as Schaub.
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Well there certainly is the small little details that Tate doesn't attempt passes or touh the ball every snap but don't let that get in your way
 
Well, this about sums up what real Texans team fans have been talking about since lasts years slide to mediocrity. I like Schaub, I for years believed he was "The Man", just like folks in New York felt Mark Sanchez was their man. But, an individual reaches a certain point where their previous experience level is not commensurate with a team's growing needs, and as the look on the Texans faces after the Pick-6 playing Seattle...you just knew there were going to be problems. Many "fans" don't or cannot see the Big Picture...maybe they will now.
 
2012Champs said:
Well there certainly is the small little details that Tate doesn't attempt passes or touh the ball every snap but don't let that get in your way
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Just like how people are forgetting Tate is in his 3rd year as well as Yates? That Schaub is a TEN YEAR VET and SEVEN YEAR STARTER still making the same dumb mistakes? Considering how much younger Tate is than Schaub, I don't put his fumble on nearly the same level of Schaub's. Mistakes have different weight. Schaub's mistakes greatly outweigh Tates.
 
chenjy9 said:
Speak for yourself. I think it's hilarious and well deserved. Schaub deserves every bit of hate for his performances.
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The team gets a pass? I think Matt has reached his limit and the front office should see that fact.
 
gary said:
The team gets a pass? I think Matt has reached his limit and the front office should see that fact.
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I never said the rest of the team was blameless. I am saying that the mistakes of Schaub weigh far more than any other individual player due to his seniority, contract, and position. You cannot honestly compare his game changing mistakes to the mistakes of a 3 year backup. I personally think Matt had reached his limit a long time ago and the idiocy of Kubes prevented us from looking for a legitimate QB that the team can consistently depend on when needed. Now do I think Keenum or Yates will do better? Not necessarily, though I do believe that given a chance, they can be competitive to Schaub. At this time, I am more in a anyone-but-schaub mentality than start Yates/Keenum.
 
Schaub was a backup QB for the Falcons. A great backup to have on any team, but...he has reached his potential I do believe as an effective starter; notwithstanding ~ he's getting up there in age as well. I have always liked Schaub, but as a leader of an up-and-coming NFL powerhouse, I just don't see his enthusiasm in the huddle or on the sidelines, even after he makes a great play. It's almost as if he cannot believe he helped make a great play. His involvement and camaraderie with the team and coaching staff, as far as I can see; is barely evident during a game. I have been questioning this ever since the team had it's disastrous ending last year. Matt is a great passing quarterback, only if he has time in the pocket. He does run the play-action very well. However, his judgement is shortsighted and he cannot scramble in most any situation. His falling down to the turf at any hint of physical contact has emerged more and more each game. It seems to me that ever since his foot injury, Matt has not been the same quarterback. The more we play Matt and lose games, the more the team's moral will decline...the winning attitude of competent players will surely suffer. It's time to search for a viable candidate to lead the team, or perhaps start rotating T.J. or Case into the lineup. The longer the team waits to do so, the heavier the downfall will be.
 
chenjy9 said:
Just like how people are forgetting Tate is in his 3rd year as well as Yates? That Schaub is a TEN YEAR VET and SEVEN YEAR STARTER still making the same dumb mistakes? Considering how much younger Tate is than Schaub, I don't put his fumble on nearly the same level of Schaub's. Mistakes have different weight. Schaub's mistakes greatly outweigh Tates.
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Their age is highly irrelevant to the situation. The drop off from starting qb to second is huge and the step from 2nd rb to the 3rd isn't nearly as much. Take that into account when you are talking about turnover allowance and the factor in the increased number of touches qb to rb.

Does Schaub's int outweigh Tate's fumble? Sure. Does one excuse the other? Not a chance
 
infantrycak said:
Dead money is not new money. It is accounting for money already paid which has not gone on the caps to date. So it is not an issue of additional money coming out of McNair's wallet.
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Yes its already accounted for. It's still money paid out to a player no longer on the team and I doubt seriously McNair likes paying it.
 
At the end of last season there was a lot of infighting here about the merits of Schaub. People fought tooth and nail over it. Nobody wants to say I told you so yet, but some of us spotted the iceberg ahead last december. Some of us picked it out a LOT farther back. Now we're inseason and there's nothing to do but sit it out and watch the boat go down.

Everything I ever said about Romo to cowboy fans is true of schaub. Collapses underpressure. I still dont understand how you run a bootleg offense with a qb who cant run.

And I dont blame kubiak for not allowing audibles. We've seen schaub's decision making skills. I blame kubiak for not having the sack to bring in legit competition for schaub. Here's the next bad news: schaubs not going to recover and we'll draft a rookie...and that rookie wont start until next season is lost. Because kubiak is to conservative to start a rookie qb. This aint over till november '14. Captain ******** pick 6 is gonna be here.
 
powda said:
At the end of last season there was a lot of infighting here about the merits of Schaub. People fought tooth and nail over it. Nobody wants to say I told you so yet, but some of us spotted the iceberg ahead last december. Some of us picked it out a LOT farther back. Now we're inseason and there's nothing to do but sit it out and watch the boat go down.

Everything I ever said about Romo to cowboy fans is true of schaub. Collapses underpressure. I still dont understand how you run a bootleg offense with a qb who cant run.

And I dont blame kubiak for not allowing audibles. We've seen schaub's decision making skills. I blame kubiak for not having the sack to bring in legit competition for schaub. Here's the next bad news: schaubs not going to recover and we'll draft a rookie...and that rookie wont start until next season is lost. Because kubiak is to conservative to start a rookie qb. This aint over till november '14. Captain ******** pick 6 is gonna be here.
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Don't you blame a lot of that on Rick Smith's decision to extend Schaub after the first game of last season ??


I recall Doc telling us that even tho the foot had healed , it would get worse with use .... and that's exactly what we've seen.

They jumped the gun on extending Schaub ....


As for going forward from here , If Schaub doesn't dig his way out of this funk and the team reaches the AFC Championship game at the very least .... I don't think he's on the roster next season as they can spread the cap hit out over two years at 3m & 7m each.
The big question is how that affects other players coming up to FA that they would like to keep.

There will be quite a few QB's in the first round of next years draft .... Maybe as many as 8. A couple of them I really like .....
Considering what Kubiak has been able to squeeze out of Schaub - a perennial top tier offense in both yards & scoring along with leading the league in time of possession ..... despite Schaub's inadequacies and mental breakdowns , I'd really like to see what he could do with a real talent at the position.
 
chenjy9 said:
Speak for yourself. I think it's hilarious and well deserved. Schaub deserves every bit of hate for his performances.
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WOW!! Just wow!!

HATE??? Really? Maybe you should look up the definition of "hate".

Angry? Yes! Disappointed? YES!!!! Ready to move on? Sure...

BUT HATE?? Seek help for your cranial-anal inversion syndrome!
 
Corrosion said:
Don't you blame a lot of that on Rick Smith's decision to extend Schaub after the first game of last season ??


I recall Doc telling us that even tho the foot had healed , it would get worse with use .... and that's exactly what we've seen.

They jumped the gun on extending Schaub ....


As for going forward from here , If Schaub doesn't dig his way out of this funk and the team reaches the AFC Championship game at the very least .... I don't think he's on the roster next season as they can spread the cap hit out over two years at 3m & 7m each.
The big question is how that affects other players coming up to FA that they would like to keep.

There will be quite a few QB's in the first round of next years draft .... Maybe as many as 8. A couple of them I really like .....
Considering what Kubiak has been able to squeeze out of Schaub - a perennial top tier offense in both yards & scoring along with leading the league in time of possession ..... despite Schaub's inadequacies and mental breakdowns , I'd really like to see what he could do with a real talent at the position.
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Dont get me wrong, I blame ricky to. This habit of signing players comming off injury has normally worked out ok for him. But to gamble on your most important position with that percentage of the cap was stupid. I was harping back then to draft a qb to.

And you present one of my opinions better then I could. Kubiak's offense has masked schaub's deficiencies well enough to fool a lot of fans. His system is so ubber qb friendly they felt like they could address other spots on the team freely. What could this offense really do with a guy who could vertically threaten the field? How good could this offense be with a qb who threatens a defense east-west with an honest chance to run?

Here's another nostratexans prediction: when we find out what that kinda qb can do, aj and foster will be used up and gone. The window will have closed.
 
I don't know how much is on Kubiak and how much is on Schaub, but I think the conservative nature of the offense is actually hindering Schaub and the passing game as a whole. I'm no expert so maybe I'm way off here, but I feel like the offense is being so conservative that it is also making them predictable. I feel like it's all stemming from the "take what the defense gives us" approach. The Texans need to challenge defenses a whole lot more than they have been. Teams are catching on that the Texans are not going to throw deep or challenge them in any meaningful way. The Texans rarely even attempt to throw beyond the sticks on 3rd downs. All three of the recent pick sixes have been on short routes that the opposing teams saw coming from a mile away. We have Hopkins and Andre outside and speedy options in the slot, but teams know that Schaub is going to sit back there and dump off to the backs or hit TE's over the middle for 8 to 9 yards. Guess which team has the most TE targets in the NFL. Not to mention TE to WR TD ratio.

The worst thing any team can be is predictable. We need to throw some deep balls just to keep the defenses honest. Hell, send Martin on a deep streak and overthrow him by 10 yards just to make a point. Throw some jump balls to AJ DHop in the endzone, those guys are huge aerial threats going to waste. Our longest pass play this year is a short catch and long run to Martin that went for 32 yards. 32! That's actually pathetic. Yeah, that's good for 87th longest pass play this season, and I had to go to the 3rd page of stats to find it. If that doesn't scream predictable, I don't know what does. I really believe they have got to throw the ball deep to keep teams guessing and keep them honest.
 
Corrosion said:
Don't you blame a lot of that on Rick Smith's decision to extend Schaub after the first game of last season ??
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Rick Smith doesn't make that decision alone, or is even the tiebreaker. Kubiak/Smith/McNair had to agree on the extension. And they had to rely heavily on the future prognosis from the team doctors.
 
RTP2110 said:
I don't know how much is on Kubiak and how much is on Schaub, but I think the conservative nature of the offense is actually hindering Schaub and the passing game as a whole.
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If he cant execute simple plays .... what makes you think he can execute a less conservative gameplan ?!

The entire offense is designed to make life simple and easy for the QB ... He's making simple addition and subtraction seem like quantum physics.
The system has been highly productive over the long term. The change needs to occur under center , not in the X's & O's.
 
Lucky said:
Rick Smith doesn't make that decision alone, or is even the tiebreaker. Kubiak/Smith/McNair had to agree on the extension. And they had to rely heavily on the future prognosis from the team doctors.
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I think they need some new doctors .... seems they've made a lot of mistakes.

A healthy Schaub - the guy we saw between 2009 to the point in 2011 where he went down , I would have been comfortable giving an extension , this broken version .... not so much.


Hindsight is always 20/20 ...... :rake:
 
Corrosion said:
I think they need some new doctors .... seems they've made a lot of mistakes.


Hindsight is always 20/20 ...... :rake:
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That's kind of where I was coming from. I'm not a doctor. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But it's pretty obvious to me the Texans aren't receiving the best medical advice they could. Who makes the call on the team physician anyway? McNair?

I've felt that Schaub's extension was unnecessary. Yes, he would have been a free agent in the 2013 offseason. But, I think the market would have been limited and no other team would have given him such a long term deal. Was Schaub better than several QBs on other teams? Yes. That doesn't mean these teams would have committed to him long term. Schaub should have gotten something above the deal Carson Palmer received from Arizona (3 years, $26 million, $10 mil guaranteed). Not the $29 million guaranteed he picked up for what will likely be two years of work.

I hate to describe posters as "supporters". But I would like to ask a few questions to those who believe that Schaub should remain at QB. What makes you think that Schaub will get better? I want to believe. I saw hope in the Seahawk game. And then came the lay down sacks and the pick six. I don't see a spark and I don't see anything getting better. Do you wait until the Texans are out of contention before making a move? So you wait until they go sub .500 (which could be Sunday). What will it take for you to want to see a change at QB?
 
Lucky said:
I hate to describe posters as "supporters". But I would like to ask a few questions to those who believe that Schaub should remain at QB. What makes you think that Schaub will get better? I want to believe. I saw hope in the Seahawk game. And then came the lay down sacks and the pick six. I don't see a spark and I don't see anything getting better. Do you wait until the Texans are out of contention before making a move? So you wait until they go sub .500 (which could be Sunday). What will it take for you to want to see a change at QB?
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I am not believer that you change QBs to "see what the other guy can do." You make a change when you feel the other guy(s) give you a better chance at winning.. so what we have is Schuab playing so awful that he leaves you no choice, getting injured, or that the Texans brass literally think that Yates or keenum are already better than Schuab. I think injury is the only way we see another QB.

Stay the course, comes from the top with the Texans. Many if not most of us would have dumped Kubiak after 2010 (I would have).
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
...so what we have is Schuab playing so awful that he leaves you no choice...
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So you don't think he's close to that? His mistakes are demoralizing. I hear the standard lip service, but you have to wonder if the team has any faith in Schaub. I can see where Kubiak and the front office feel trapped. They've re-signed Schaub to a big contract with no obvious heir apparent. But the guys behind him are professional QBs. They have more mobility and stronger arms. They could provide the team with a spark.

If his poor play continues into the season, Schaub becomes a lame duck QB. He won't be brought back for a $10 million salary. If you know that, why wait until he's injured to find out what you have behind him?
 
RTP2110 said:
I don't know how much is on Kubiak and how much is on Schaub, but I think the conservative nature of the offense is actually hindering Schaub and the passing game as a whole. I'm no expert so maybe I'm way off here, but I feel like the offense is being so conservative that it is also making them predictable. I feel like it's all stemming from the "take what the defense gives us" approach. The Texans need to challenge defenses a whole lot more than they have been. Teams are catching on that the Texans are not going to throw deep or challenge them in any meaningful way. The Texans rarely even attempt to throw beyond the sticks on 3rd downs. All three of the recent pick sixes have been on short routes that the opposing teams saw coming from a mile away. We have Hopkins and Andre outside and speedy options in the slot, but teams know that Schaub is going to sit back there and dump off to the backs or hit TE's over the middle for 8 to 9 yards. Guess which team has the most TE targets in the NFL. Not to mention TE to WR TD ratio.

The worst thing any team can be is predictable. We need to throw some deep balls just to keep the defenses honest. Hell, send Martin on a deep streak and overthrow him by 10 yards just to make a point. Throw some jump balls to AJ DHop in the endzone, those guys are huge aerial threats going to waste. Our longest pass play this year is a short catch and long run to Martin that went for 32 yards. 32! That's actually pathetic. Yeah, that's good for 87th longest pass play this season, and I had to go to the 3rd page of stats to find it. If that doesn't scream predictable, I don't know what does. I really believe they have got to throw the ball deep to keep teams guessing and keep them honest.
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great post.

Its so frustrating to see our offense littered with pro bowlers and a young exciting rookie get wasted with dink and dunk passes. You see other teams or should i say "elite/superbowl" teams and they go for the jugular.

they put the onus on themselves to attack the defense. they go for kill shots down the field, in the end zone. Give your talented players a chance to make a play, maybe draw a pass interference penalty.

With our play calling and QB, we dont even give ourselves a chance. I understand the whole take what the defense gives you approach but only on certain situations, not embrace it as a whole.

Schaub doesnt even give himself a chance to make a play on third down because he is always checking down well short of the first down marker.

Its disgusting.

powda said:
At the end of last season there was a lot of infighting here about the merits of Schaub. People fought tooth and nail over it. Nobody wants to say I told you so yet, but some of us spotted the iceberg ahead last december. Some of us picked it out a LOT farther back. Now we're inseason and there's nothing to do but sit it out and watch the boat go down.

Everything I ever said about Romo to cowboy fans is true of schaub. Collapses underpressure. I still dont understand how you run a bootleg offense with a qb who cant run.

And I dont blame kubiak for not allowing audibles. We've seen schaub's decision making skills. I blame kubiak for not having the sack to bring in legit competition for schaub. Here's the next bad news: schaubs not going to recover and we'll draft a rookie...and that rookie wont start until next season is lost. Because kubiak is to conservative to start a rookie qb. This aint over till november '14. Captain ******** pick 6 is gonna be here.
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Competition?

What like Case Keenum and TJ Yates?

Anybody who paid attention in preseason can tell you that BOTH Case and TJ out performed Schaub. Just look at the games. Look at how many times the offense stalled under Matt Schaub in comparison to Yates and Keenum.

Schaub has been stalling the offense in preseason and its basically the continuation of last years late swoon along with the playoffs.

Kubiak said there was a back up qb competition which a lot of people think case won yet Kubiak named Yates the back up.

What's the point of having a competition if Kubiak wont let anybody take Schaub's job?

What's the point of having two young QBs who showed great talent if you're not really gonna give them an honest shot at winning the job?

I mean peyton wanted to come here and they said no thanks, we will sign schaub instead.

From David Carr, Dom Capers, Frank Bush, to Kubiak, Joe Marciano, and Schaub, this is a institutional problem in this organization where there is no accountability towards people who are horrible at their jobs.
 
Come On Breh said:
great post.

Its so frustrating to see our offense littered with pro bowlers and a young exciting rookie get wasted with dink and dunk passes. You see other teams or should i say "elite/superbowl" teams and they go for the jugular.

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And you don't think throwing the ball in that situation was going for the jugular ?! It surely wasn't a conservative call .... the conservative thing to do in that situation is call a run play and if you fail to convert let your punter do his job and give your defense a long field to defend.


As for a more attacking offense .... Schaub cant seem to execute this simple offense and doesn't have the arm to make the type of downfield throws ... but hey , lets open it up like Aaron Rodgers us in a Texans uniform ..... Come On Breh .....
 
Corrosion said:
And you don't think throwing the ball in that situation was going for the jugular ?! It surely wasn't a conservative call .... the conservative thing to do in that situation is call a run play and if you fail to convert let your punter do his job and give your defense a long field to defend.


As for a more attacking offense .... Schaub cant seem to execute this simple offense and doesn't have the arm to make the type of downfield throws ... but hey , lets open it up like Aaron Rodgers us in a Texans uniform ..... Come On Breh .....
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no its not. just because you throw the ball doesnt necessarily mean you are being aggressive. You can be aggressive while running the ball. You can be conservative even when you pass.

Even if that pass was completed, it was still a short completion.

Schaub constantly checking down to foster because he is mentally deficient at reading wide receiver progressions is an example of conservative passing.

Get it together.
 
powda said:
At the end of last season there was a lot of infighting here about the merits of Schaub. People fought tooth and nail over it. Nobody wants to say I told you so yet, but some of us spotted the iceberg ahead last december. Some of us picked it out a LOT farther back. Now we're inseason and there's nothing to do but sit it out and watch the boat go down.

Everything I ever said about Romo to cowboy fans is true of schaub. Collapses underpressure. I still dont understand how you run a bootleg offense with a qb who cant run.

And I dont blame kubiak for not allowing audibles. We've seen schaub's decision making skills. I blame kubiak for not having the sack to bring in legit competition for schaub. Here's the next bad news: schaubs not going to recover and we'll draft a rookie...and that rookie wont start until next season is lost. Because kubiak is to conservative to start a rookie qb. This aint over till november '14. Captain ******** pick 6 is gonna be here.
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So finally the truth comes out. This is really all about "I saw it first" "I saw it years ago" and not really about 1 play right? in 2012 when the Texans started fast, all of the Schaub haters had to bite their tongues. Now that the Texans have started slow, here comes the same old song and dance of "I told you so" 4 games in and you guys have already determined the Texans fate. Hilarious!

Texan_Bill said:
WOW!! Just wow!!

HATE??? Really? Maybe you should look up the definition of "hate".

Angry? Yes! Disappointed? YES!!!! Ready to move on? Sure...

BUT HATE?? Seek help for your cranial-anal inversion syndrome!
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LOL

Corrosion said:
I think they need some new doctors .... seems they've made a lot of mistakes.

A healthy Schaub - the guy we saw between 2009 to the point in 2011 where he went down , I would have been comfortable giving an extension , this broken version .... not so much.


Hindsight is always 20/20 ...... :rake:
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What i want to know is, why is it that all of the professional people who work in the field are all crazy, and you and others are the experts? How is it that something that is so obvious to you, escapes medical professionals? Must be some kind of conspiracy right? Your arrogance is mind numbing.

Lucky said:
That's kind of where I was coming from. I'm not a doctor. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But it's pretty obvious to me the Texans aren't receiving the best medical advice they could. Who makes the call on the team physician anyway? McNair?

I've felt that Schaub's extension was unnecessary. Yes, he would have been a free agent in the 2013 offseason. But, I think the market would have been limited and no other team would have given him such a long term deal. Was Schaub better than several QBs on other teams? Yes. That doesn't mean these teams would have committed to him long term. Schaub should have gotten something above the deal Carson Palmer received from Arizona (3 years, $26 million, $10 mil guaranteed). Not the $29 million guaranteed he picked up for what will likely be two years of work.

I hate to describe posters as "supporters". But I would like to ask a few questions to those who believe that Schaub should remain at QB. What makes you think that Schaub will get better? I want to believe. I saw hope in the Seahawk game. And then came the lay down sacks and the pick six. I don't see a spark and I don't see anything getting better. Do you wait until the Texans are out of contention before making a move? So you wait until they go sub .500 (which could be Sunday). What will it take for you to want to see a change at QB?
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Hahaha... Love the Holiday Inn Express stuff. That was side splitting. As to the rest of your post, I hope you read my answer above. Leave those decisions to people who went to medical school and get paid to provide such advice. It's more likely that Matt Schaub threw a pick 6 because he did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express the night before the game than because of his injury 2 years ago. It was simply a bad play call, and even worse execution of a doomed play. But it was just 1 play in an otherwise great game by Schaub. Get over it.

In answer to your question. I watched Schaub now play like an elite QB in the 2nd half of the Chargers game, the 4th quarter of the Titans game he imposed his will on a really good defense, and there was this most recent game where he was carving up the NFL's #1 ranked D like it was child's play. But all any of you can do is focus on 1 stupid play, and ignore the rest. This is simply illogical. The whole team just needs to play all 4 quarters, which they have failed to do so far.

Ok so lay down sacks and Pick 6. You cannot have it both ways. Lay down sacks are a far better result than a pick 6, and had there been a lay down sack in that situation, the Texans most likely would have won that game. So it seems to me that you all want Schaub to be perfect. Never make a mistake, and even then you would find something to criticize him about. Mental errors from the entire team is what lost that game, not the pick 6 in the final minutes of regulation.

Do you wait until you are out of contention before making a move? Of course not, but there are other moves to be made first before you throw you whole season away on a hope and a prayer, such as fixing the protection issues, better play calling, better scouting, fewer penalties, etc, etc.


Corrosion said:
And you don't think throwing the ball in that situation was going for the jugular ?! It surely wasn't a conservative call .... the conservative thing to do in that situation is call a run play and if you fail to convert let your punter do his job and give your defense a long field to defend.


As for a more attacking offense .... Schaub cant seem to execute this simple offense and doesn't have the arm to make the type of downfield throws ... but hey , lets open it up like Aaron Rodgers us in a Texans uniform ..... Come On Breh .....
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Really? What was Schaub doing in the first half? Were my eyes playing tricks on me or something?
 
YeaLikeRightNow said:
Well, this about sums up what real Texans team fans have been talking about since lasts years slide to mediocrity. I like Schaub, I for years believed he was "The Man", just like folks in New York felt Mark Sanchez was their man. But, an individual reaches a certain point where their previous experience level is not commensurate with a team's growing needs, and as the look on the Texans faces after the Pick-6 playing Seattle...you just knew there were going to be problems. Many "fans" don't or cannot see the Big Picture...maybe they will now.
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I honestly think this is the best comparison I've heard yet for Matt Schaub. At one time, Sanchez was good enough to get that team to the AFC Championship game. A play away from the Super Bowl..... in back to back years.

Things change, the team around him got worse. They needed him to be better.

The team around Matt got better. We're in more clutch situations. We need someone who can get "lucky" at the right time, who can make something happen, buy some time. Matt continues to fail.

Right now, the best we can hope for is that he stops hurting us.
 
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Come On Breh said:
no its not. just because you throw the ball doesnt necessarily mean you are being aggressive. You can be aggressive while running the ball. You can be conservative even when you pass.

Even if that pass was completed, it was still a short completion.

Schaub constantly checking down to foster because he is mentally deficient at reading wide receiver progressions is an example of conservative passing.

Get it together.
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Matt is 8th in the nfl one getting the first down throwing on 3rd and less than 3 and a little better than middle of the pack throwing on 3rd and 3-7, 20th on 3rd and 8 or more. It's not uncommon for qb to throw short of the sticks on 3rd down
 
Nitrofish said:
So finally the truth comes out. This is really all about "I saw it first" "I saw it years ago" and not really about 1 play right? in 2012 when the Texans started fast, all of the Schaub haters had to bite their tongues. Now that the Texans have started slow, here comes the same old song and dance of "I told you so" 4 games in and you guys have already determined the Texans fate. Hilarious!
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Uhhh no. I havent liked Schaub's talent when they were winning either. Winning just helped to hide it from people who refuse to see it.

If I say, we need better cornerback play from Mccain or we need a better right tackle, people might disagree but they dont question your fanhood. If I say, we need to upgrade the qb position, people take it personal and call you a bandwagon fan?

Look, I dont want Schaub to suck. He just does. Why does a percentage of Texansnation vilify those who see it? The time to fix the problem has passed. Waters wet. Deal.
 
thunderkyss said:
What's your definition of "boat go down?"
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Based on expectations, i'd say anything short of the playoffs will result in some forced coaching changes (Joe Mar meet Frank Bush.) Somewhere just below .500 and maybe the conversation becomes, "Should sonofbum replace kubes?"

I'd hate to see kubiak run out of town because of schaub.
 
Corrosion said:
I recall Doc telling us that even tho the foot had healed , it would get worse with use .... and that's exactly what we've seen.
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I honestly do not believe that is what we're seeing. Even this "he's throwing off his back foot" thing. Not true. Watch every game objectively, watch his feet. He's rotating his hips well which translate to transferring his weight completely to his front foot on most throws.

If there is a problem with Matt, physically, it's him trying to be more athletic than he really is. Trying to get out of the pocket & make something happen where he used to throw it away.

He is drifting away on those bootlegs, that's true. But most of the other stuff just doesn't add up. You can watch the game & see he's transferring weight onto the front foot. He went on to play a game that had absolutely no meaning (the pro bowl, he had already been to one & named the MVP). He participated throughout OTAs, mini-camp, camp, & the preseason. If he knew he had a problem & longevity is the issue, why wouldn't he put off extended physical activity.

& biggest of all... no one can keep a secret very long. The more people who know, the sooner it is revealed & as "poorly" as he's played you'd think someone would make an excuse that would tip you off, or something. They're not even making excuses for him, The Owner, GM, & Head Coach actually put more scrutiny on him. Makes me believe no one at Reliant believes Matt has a degenerative condition pertaining to his LisFranc injury.

Even in the divisional play-off game he was actually more "active" than normal. Moving around trying to escape the rush... he looked like sht, because he's a clutz..... always has been & he's trying to do more of it.
 
powda said:
And you present one of my opinions better then I could. Kubiak's offense has masked schaub's deficiencies well enough to fool a lot of fans.
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Corrosion said:
If he cant execute simple plays .... what makes you think he can execute a less conservative gameplan ?!

The entire offense is designed to make life simple and easy for the QB ...
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& what offense isn't?

We saw what happened when Matt Cassell replaced Tom Brady. Looked like they didn't miss a beat.

We go about doing it differently than they do, their offensive linemen are head & shoulders better than ours at pass blocking. It's common to hear, "& Tom Brady has all kinds of time." Like RTP said, if we can provide that kind of time for Schaub, he'll look like a much different QB. Better or worse, I can't say.

He's not "perfect" for what we do, but he does, or at least has historically, operated it very well.
 
Are some offenses more quarterback friendly then others? YES.

thunderkyss said:
He's not "perfect" for what we do, but he does, or at least has historically, operated it very well.
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We can argue semantics and systems with a million examples on both sides. Here's a couple of better questions...

Can Schaub LEAD this team to the Superbowl?

Do you want Schaub as your starting quarterback next year?

Should we draft a qb in the 1st or 2nd round?

How many more boneheaded pick 6 game losing plays do we have to see to get the hint?
 
Nitrofish said:
What i want to know is, why is it that all of the professional people who work in the field are all crazy, and you and others are the experts? How is it that something that is so obvious to you, escapes medical professionals? Must be some kind of conspiracy right? Your arrogance is mind numbing.
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A highly respected medical professional is where I got my information ... Prior to Schaub's meltdown at the tail end of last season (when they gave Schaub the extension) stating that the foot would get worse with use - That guy was dead on & has been right more times than I care to count when the Texans medical staff has whiffed.

My arrogance is nothing more than a belief in Doc CND .... it is obvious to me he was right.




Really? What was Schaub doing in the first half? Were my eyes playing tricks on me or something?
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Yep , he looked fine .... until the SeaDucks turned up the defensive pressure , once that happened we saw "Bad Matt."
 
Corrosion said:
A highly respected medical professional is where I got my information ... Prior to Schaub's meltdown at the tail end of last season (when they gave Schaub the extension) stating that the foot would get worse with use - That guy was dead on & has been right more times than I care to count when the Texans medical staff has whiffed.

My arrogance is nothing more than a belief in Doc CND .... it is obvious to me he was right.

Yep , he looked fine .... until the SeaDucks turned up the defensive pressure , once that happened we saw "Bad Matt."
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Can I ask, does Doc CND work for the Texans, or a professional football team in a medical capacity? What does Doc CND have to lose if his opinion is wrong? What would a medical staff member have to lose that actually works for the Texans have to lose if his opinion was wrong, and what would be his motivation to lie about Schaub's injury? Is he, or they also part of the conspiracy to keep Schaub the QB?

Everyone has their own perceptions based on the info they have been provided, and I am ok with that, but what I have a problem with is why would you choose information from someone on a message board, over someone who is actually working for the Texans? If Schaub's injury is degenerative, why did he play well in the first half, yet in the Chargers game it was the 2nd half he played well in? Is it possible this is just the theory you WANT to believe?

In regards to the Hawks turning up the D. I challenge you to watch the game again. They did not change their plan, which was to pressure Schaub, what happened was the Texans offensive line basically stopped blocking. Perhaps they all have degenerative foot injuries also, I don't know. But my perception was it had less to do with the Hawks turning things up, and more to do with the Texans falling apart offensively and defensively in the 4th quarter.

Wade used a spy in the fist half to keep Wilson contained, then simply stopped doing it in the 2nd half, and when Cushing went out. Wilson ran wild. Perhaps it would have been a better plan to stop rushing the passer so hard and make Wilson beat us with his arm. I mean it's not like he was killing the Texans throwing the ball was he?

This was a team loss, and many things factored into the loss, and yes Schaub's pick 6 was one of them, but it was not THE reason the Texans lost.
 
Corrosion said:
A highly respected medical professional is where I got my information ... Prior to Schaub's meltdown at the tail end of last season (when they gave Schaub the extension) stating that the foot would get worse with use - That guy was dead on & has been right more times than I care to count when the Texans medical staff has whiffed.

My arrogance is nothing more than a belief in Doc CND .... it is obvious to me he was right.






Yep , he looked fine .... until the SeaDucks turned up the defensive pressure , once that happened we saw "Bad Matt."
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If a D attempts to turn up the pressure on a QB it is not the QB's sole responsibility to combat that. There are a number of guys you pay to step up and help offset that D turning it up
 
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