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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

What would you guys think if we finished 14-2, winning out, which means we beat Indy in Indy, New England & Denver in December, we secure a first week bye in the play offs, win in the divisional round but lose the AFC Championship game to Denver on a late second field goal?

Would you be all... "I knew we'd never win the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub!!"

or, "Shucks.... maybe next year."
 
thunderkyss said:
What would you guys think if we finished 14-2, winning out, which means we beat Indy in Indy, New England & Denver in December, we secure a first week bye in the play offs, win in the divisional round but lose the AFC Championship game to Denver on a late second field goal?

Would you be all... "I knew we'd never win the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub!!"

or, "Shucks.... maybe next year."
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Depends how Schaub plays.

Won't happen though, so the question is moot.
 
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thunderkyss said:
What would you guys think if we finished 14-2, winning out, which means we beat Indy in Indy, New England & Denver in December, we secure a first week bye in the play offs, win in the divisional round but lose the AFC Championship game to Denver on a late second field goal?

Would you be all... "I knew we'd never win the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub!!"

or, "Shucks.... maybe next year."
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I'd be all like "I'll kiss your azz at half time right on the 50yd. line of that AFC Championship Game" and to hell with the outcome of the game. :firework:
 
thunderkyss said:
What would you guys think if we finished 14-2, winning out, which means we beat Indy in Indy, New England & Denver in December, we secure a first week bye in the play offs, win in the divisional round but lose the AFC Championship game to Denver on a late second field goal?

Would you be all... "I knew we'd never win the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub!!"

or, "Shucks.... maybe next year."
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Since we are playing silly hypothetical games I'll bite.

B. "I knew we'd never win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub!!"

I'm tired of seeing other teams get an instant upgrade by making changes at QB and the Texans still being stuck in neutral. Might as well be playing in Jerryland.
 
Just out of curiosity. Does anyone know what the record is for consecutive games with a thrown pick six? I still think you can almost count the first pass of the season as a pick six.
 
Pantherstang84 said:
I'm tired of seeing other teams get an instant upgrade by making changes at QB and the Texans still being stuck in neutral. Might as well be playing in Jerryland.
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Not arguing with your reasoning. Your answer is your answer. But this upgrade at QB thing.

People have been wanting to "upgrade" the QB position for years, not just this year. 12 wins, 26 points per game... It's not as easy to upgrade our position as it is to upgrade some other QB positions.

Sure, Schaub will never win a Super Bowl. Same thing was said about Peyton, Eli, & Flacco. Schaub ain't those guys, far from them, but not as far as Tj Yates & Case Keenum.

I'm not making excuses for Matt. These last three games, I only hope he gets what he deserved & he's shown himself to be very replaceable.
 
The question about 14-2 is very serious. I want to know how serious some guys are about not winning a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

Just getting to the AFC Championship game is an extraordinary accomplishment.

We might not win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub, but I'd take an AFC Championship game appearance. I'd take another play-off run, which may very well be in jeopardy.
 
Why are a lot of you so sure TJ/Yates can't do it? The only real data we have points strongly to Matt/Smithiak not being able to go any further. I don't think we will be getting rid of Smithiak during the season so the logical action is to see what TJKeenum/Kubiak gives us. The only way I think this would happen would be if McNair made Kubiak make a change but I don't think McNair would do that. Guess we will see what happens in SanFran.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Just out of curiosity. Does anyone know what the record is for consecutive games with a thrown pick six? I still think you can almost count the first pass of the season as a pick six.
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3 other quarterbacks have had 3 consecutive games with a pick six. The other 3 QBs to throw pick sixes in 3 straight games were Peyton Manning 2001, Ty Detmer 1996 and John Elway 1994. No one has had 4 straight. Schaub will go down in the record books next Sunday night.
 
Just heard that fans were burning Schaubs jersey in the parking lot of Reliant Stadium!!! Can anyone verify this? Of course, Florio reported it, so I have my doubts.
 
thunderkyss said:
The question about 14-2 is very serious. I want to know how serious some guys are about not winning a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

Just getting to the AFC Championship game is an extraordinary accomplishment.

We might not win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub, but I'd take an AFC Championship game appearance. I'd take another play-off run, which may very well be in jeopardy.
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We aren't going 14-2. We are going to be in a dog fight just to make the play offs. If I had to bet, I'd say we miss them with a 6-10 to 9-7 record.

To me your question is like asking what would I do if dogs grew hands and started driving trucks.

There's no way I see either scenario happening. We are about to be 2-3 next week anyways.
 
thunderkyss said:
The question about 14-2 is very serious. I want to know how serious some guys are about not winning a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

Just getting to the AFC Championship game is an extraordinary accomplishment.

We might not win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub, but I'd take an AFC Championship game appearance. I'd take another play-off run, which may very well be in jeopardy.
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I don't think it's Matt Schaub that would keep us from winning a Super Bowl. I think it's Kubiak. I'm not a big Schaub fan, but upgrading at QB is much easier said than done. If Schaub called his own plays I think our offense would be better. I trust him to know what the defense will allow more than Kubiak. If nothing else Schaub at least has shown he has the ability to be a starting QB and a successful one in the NFL. Kubiak never showed that he could do anything more than ride the coattails of more talented QBs and coaches.
 
Not one quarterback is going to be the answer as long as the coach is calling the plays in this defunct "system". The only difference a new quarterback will make is a fresh set of legs.
 
I don't watch ESPN but I can't think the message would be much different than that on the NFLN. Willie McGinest , Heath Eavens & Jamaal Charles were curb stomping on Schaub as bad if not worse than anyone I've ever heard them ripping on before. Those cats were ruthless. I'm by no means defending Matt or his play but is it that big of a deal that he killed his Twatter account? It was mentioned that he hasn't used it since January so what's the big deal?

Well seems as though his foe of next week went on his account and told the folks to "bring it on" after he had his little run of anti-awesomeness a couple of weeks in a row. I think it was Amber Theoharris that said they would ask Kaepernick about it after the game Sunday night after "he went head to head with his followers." After they slobbered on him for quite a while I went to take a leak and went to bed.

Heath Evans did say "for the Houston fans 'Who else do ya want?'" Gotta give him that.

Anyone else catch Total Access?

What was you take? Same ol' same ol'?
 
mussop said:
Remember when you said "being a leader takes preparation, it takes perseverance, it takes execution, it's about being your best"?

It's Time to be that leader!!!
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As a Sounders Fan, a Seahawks fan and sports fan in general I do think that the quarter back of Houston is not entirely to blame for that loss.
Your quarter back made one bad decesion in that game. He threw it to a reciver that was pushed out of the way like a rag doll.

Who is to blame for that loss? How about the defense of Houston who gave us the oppourtunity to get into field goal range in overtime. Yea that guy blew it for you. The one that body slammed the Seahawk. Nice job.

Foster shouldn't show his emotions like he did after that bad pass. He almost influenced the outcome in my opinion.

Now for some bashing. You got beat by an X base ball player. :->

Houston could go all the way if they stick together as a team.
 
drs23 said:
I don't watch ESPN but I can't think the message would be much different than that on the NFLN. Willie McGinest , Heath Eavens & Jamaal Lewis were curb stomping on Schaub as bad if not worse than anyone I've ever heard them ripping on before. Those cats were ruthless. I'm by no means defending Matt or his play but is it that big of a deal that he killed his Twatter account? It was mentioned that he hasn't used it since January so what's the big deal?
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The chick (don't know her name, but she is fiiiiinnnne) is cutting him harder than the dudes. The Twitter thing, "You see what Matt Schaub did, a 10 year vet & then you see what 3rd year player Colin Kaepernick did."

It's more about Matt's leadership, or lack there of. Bad plays happen, none of them denied that.
 
Jake said:
Houston could go all the way if they stick together as a team.
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Agreed. Matt didn't make it easy, but we got the ball back with 2:40 seconds left in regulation. We got the ball first in OT. We even had a second possession where a FG would have won it.
 
htowntexans1985 said:
Best news I've heard all day. Their is a way out of Schuab's contract.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/30/texans-can-escape-schaubs-contract-after-the-season/
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This article leads me to believe that Matt Schaub will be back next season. According to the article if Schaub were cut at the end of this season then the Texans would owe him $3.5mil in 2014 and $10mil in 2015. I seriously doubt McNair wants to pay that kind of dead money. I think he should be gone but I think the contract prevents it unless McNair wants to pay out alot of dead money.
 
Wolf6151 said:
This article leads me to believe that Matt Schaub will be back next season. According to the article if Schaub were cut at the end of this season then the Texans would owe him $3.5mil in 2014 and $10mil in 2015. I seriously doubt McNair wants to pay that kind of dead money. I think he should be gone but I think the contract prevents it unless McNair wants to pay out alot of dead money.
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Dead money is not new money. It is accounting for money already paid which has not gone on the caps to date. So it is not an issue of additional money coming out of McNair's wallet.
 
It's telling that Hawks fans are saying Schaub is good, and they cannot believe how badly Texans fans are overreacting. I am with them and think this is all much ado about nothing. Schaub shredded that so called no. 1 D, and Jackson is the one who put the Hawks in position to win that game with his stupid body slam after the whistle.

IMO some Texans fans are an embarrassment to this franchise. I've said it before, and in times like these I do not feel Houston is deserving of an NFL franchise. Too many fair weather, cry baby fans.
 
Nitrofish said:
It's telling that Hawks fans are saying Schaub is good, and they cannot believe how badly Texans fans are overreacting. I am with them and think this is all much ado about nothing. Schaub shredded that so called no. 1 D, and Jackson is the one who put the Hawks in position to win that game with his stupid body slam after the whistle.

IMO some Texans fans are an embarrassment to this franchise. I've said it before, and in times like these I do not feel Houston is deserving of an NFL franchise. Too many fair weather, cry baby fans.
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There are many reasons the Texans lost to Seattle. It wasn't just Schaub, or a few defensive errors, or just Kubiak's insane play calling, but when you add those up along with the other obvious bone headed things that happened, you have a loss.

Depending on how you choose to view it, you can pick your own heros and goats out of this issue. From the point of view of us fans, it's simply a matter of perspective. For now, I've got Schaub and Kubiak in my goat pen, you can have whoever you like in yours. :)
 
Thorn said:
There are many reasons the Texans lost to Seattle. It wasn't just Schaub, or a few defensive errors, or just Kubiak's insane play calling, but when you add those up along with the other obvious bone headed things that happened, you have a loss.

Depending on how you choose to view it, you can pick your own heros and goats out of this issue. From the point of view of us fans, it's simply a matter of perspective. For now, I've got Schaub and Kubiak in my goat pen, you can have whoever you like in yours. :)
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Agree with everything you said, except, I do not put players or coaches in pens or assign labels to them week by week. I have the Houston Texans in my pen, and win lose or draw, I am a fan. I believe as a team, you win together, and you lose together. Picking hero's and zeros every week seems silly to me, but I guess if assigning labels to players and coaches helps you feel better about your team and helps you sleep at night. I say who am I to judge? :)
 
My hope is that Schaub really is in a slump and will prove us all wrong as he helps the team win the Super Bowl. My fear is that he will do just well enough to get to the playoffs, 1 or 2 games later we are looking forward to the draft. If Kubiak and Smith look back at the season and think that Schaub just had an off year, they may ride him for another season or 2. We need to get the QB that the Texans will be starting in 2015 on the roster in the offseason. That means drafting one high, not taking a flyer on a 3rd round or lower guy or taking a cast off from another team.
 
Nitrofish said:
Agree with everything you said, except, I do not put players or coaches in pens or assign labels to them week by week. I have the Houston Texans in my pen, and win lose or draw, I am a fan. I believe as a team, you win together, and you lose together. Picking hero's and zeros every week seems silly to me...
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Agree. However, we've been asking the question, "Can we win the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub?" at least since 2011. Truth be told, we started last season exactly the same way we started this year. Well, we were 4-0, but we were still inconsistent, we still "played down" to our opponents... the offense was booed by the home crowd week 1.

They couldn't move the ball in the first qtr. Jjo intercepted the ball, put them in the Red Zone & they still couldn't get a TD. we get 3 other turnovers, score 21 points off of them all in the second qtr. 2nd half... 2 field goals.

Sunday, we saw a glimpse of what this team can be & Matt Schaub was playing well enough to make me believe half the crap I've been spewing here. Then he threw the second interception, the one returned for a touchdown (I'm getting so tired of hearing pick six). Still, I wasn't mad at him.

Still I thought we could win a Super Bowl with Schaub. But we didn't score in the final 2:46 seconds of regulation. We won the toss, 99% (<---hyperbole) of the time, the team that wins the toss wins the game. The offense needed to score at least a FG then leave it up to the defense to win the game..... we didn't do that. Our defense stopped the Seahawks from winning the game with a FG. Schaub & the offense gets the ball. A FG would win.....

Nope, didn't do it. I understand the offense is more than just Matt Schaub, but I just watched Russell Wilson get his team back in the game (with some help from Schaub). But he's the leader of the offense & he had 3 opportunities after the interception to win that game. Three opportunities after the interception to prove he is a winner.

After Marshawn Lynches fumble, he had an opportunity there to prove he is a winner. Didn't happen, Andre Johnson running towards him in the back of the end zone & all. There have been several other opportunities through the years. Remember the Raiders at home in 2011?

Sure, there have been many games when Matt did what he had to do & the defense gave up the lead. But the ones that count are the ones where the game expires & the ball is in his hands. OR for whatever reason the coach takes it out of his hands & asks a punched-drunk RB to throw a HB pass.

How much better does our running game have to be? How much better does our defense have to be? Sunday the run game dominated. The defense dominated & we couldn't win a game we were leading 20-6 in the 4th qtr.

Yeah, the Seahawks are good, but they're not that good. Their defense didn't have a good day. Their running game didn't have a good day. Their QB didn't have a good day throwing the ball. But they found a way to win.

However, I'm not one of those guys that thought Matt Schaub could never win a Super Bowl. No doubt in my mind, that the 2009 Matt Schaub, even the 2010 Matt Schaub could win a Super Bowl. I think the 2011 Texans could have won a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

I also believe we've seen glimpses of that Matt Schaub Sunday. We saw him Monday night against the Chargers. If I were Kubiak everything I do from here on out is going to be trying to get that guy to show up. Arian is going to be Arian, Andre is going to be Andre, Derek Newton is who he is. But we're not going to win a Super Bowl, much less a divisional play-off game without that Matt Schaub.

We'll see.

But I understand the frustration with Matt Schaub.
 
Nitrofish said:
It's telling that Hawks fans are saying Schaub is good, and they cannot believe how badly Texans fans are overreacting. I am with them and think this is all much ado about nothing. Schaub shredded that so called no. 1 D, and Jackson is the one who put the Hawks in position to win that game with his stupid body slam after the whistle.

IMO some Texans fans are an embarrassment to this franchise. I've said it before, and in times like these I do not feel Houston is deserving of an NFL franchise. Too many fair weather, cry baby fans.
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While I agree some of it is a bit overreacting, what Hawks fans think is irrelevant as they don't see everything that goes on with the team in comparison to a Texans fan. Most fans outside of the Texans don't understand Schaub has now thrown an interception in 7 straight games dating back to the last game with the Colts. They don't understand that during the last quarter of 2012 we went 6 quarters without an offensive touchdown. Add that to the Baltimore no TD game this year and the Hawks second half and you got a frustrated fan base. When you see your team amount the yards it does to put it in the top five offensively but continue to have the same issues it had previously you start to wonder 'Why hasn't anything been fixed?' Not to forget the strange slow starts or showing up in one half versus another.

As for the fanbase...saying they are fair weather and cry baby is a stretch. Where is this mythical fanbase that doesn't get fanatical about their team? There isn't any. All have them. We just don't see them because they aren't our team. I'm also a Bears fan and believe me...we have tons of them. I know Cowboys fans that are the same. Eagles fans as well. Do all of them not deserve a team?

Point being...kind of tired of that talk. One minute the Houston fanbase is accused of accepting being medicore and now they are fairweather because they are passionate and want success for their team. Can't win for losing. Damned if we do and damned if we don't. But last I checked Texans fans travel where the team is playing on the road. They were there greeting the team after losing in the playoffs to cheer them or show up in Reliant to watch a draft or bare the heat to watch training camp, etc.

Just because there are some that go to extremes it does not measure an entire fanbase.
 
deucetx said:
While I agree some of it is a bit overreacting, what Hawks fans think is irrelevant as they don't see everything that goes on with the team in comparison to a Texans fan. Most fans outside of the Texans don't understand Schaub has now thrown an interception in 7 straight games dating back to the last game with the Colts. They don't understand that during the last quarter of 2012 we went 6 quarters without an offensive touchdown. Add that to the Baltimore no TD game this year and the Hawks second half and you got a frustrated fan base. When you see your team amount the yards it does to put it in the top five offensively but continue to have the same issues it had previously you start to wonder 'Why hasn't anything been fixed?' Not to forget the strange slow starts or showing up in one half versus another.

As for the fanbase...saying they are fair weather and cry baby is a stretch. Where is this mythical fanbase that doesn't get fanatical about their team? There isn't any. All have them. We just don't see them because they aren't our team. I'm also a Bears fan and believe me...we have tons of them. I know Cowboys fans that are the same. Eagles fans as well. Do all of them not deserve a team?

Point being...kind of tired of that talk. One minute the Houston fanbase is accused of accepting being medicore and now they are fairweather because they are passionate and want success for their team. Can't win for losing. Damned if we do and damned if we don't. But last I checked Texans fans travel where the team is playing on the road. They were there greeting the team after losing in the playoffs to cheer them or show up in Reliant to watch a draft or bare the heat to watch training camp, etc.

Just because there are some that go to extremes it does not measure an entire fanbase.
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Ok so what you are saying is that all of the INT's were Schaub's fault and the rest of the team and coach have nothing to do with them? Isn't that being a bit excessive blaming one guy even though this is a team game? Surely you do not believe that other factors were not involved in those INT's? So when the fans lay all of that at the feet of their QB and give passes to other mistakes by coaches and other players, it seems fair weather to me no matter how you slice it.

All this talk about putting Yates or Keenum in 4 weeks into the season because Schaub has made some mistakes is hilarious and desperate. The Schaub haters have been clamoring for years to get rid of Schaub, and now they smell blood in the water and have ramped up their emotional rhetoric in an attempt to say "see. I told you so." That is not supporting your team.

I am not saying there are not fair weather fans from other franchises, of course there are, but that does not mean the entire fan base feels the way they do. You assume because of all of the negativity on this board, or the fair weather posts people make on the official FB posts that all Texans fans hate Schaub and blame everything on him.

I mean how many active members does this board have? Is it a tiny fraction of ALL Texans fans? I would remind you what it was like to be without a team and how that felt, and then finally get a team and suffer through what a really bad team is, so yeah... I think there are way too many whiners on this board who complain about the dumbest things, and this mob mentality where you all gather your torches and pitch forks so you can burn Schaub's jersey, or ignore all of the good he has done for the franchise because you only see, or want to point on his mistakes make me sick as a fan.

Schaub looked like an elite QB in the first half of the Seahawks game, carving up the leagues no.1 D like it was child's play. But all some of you can do is talk about 1 play. 1 play that should never have been called, and pretend that it was that play that lost the game. That only ties the score, it did not lost the game. What lost the game was when Cushing went out, and suddenly Wilson is running all over the Texans D, and even then, the play that ultimately lost the game was the penalty on Jackson. That gave them a first down they did not earn, and put them in scoring position. Where is all of the hate and jersey burning towards Jackson?

No, instead fair weather fans pick the easy scape goat and ignore everything else. I mean how much worse can it get when our starting QB must be escorted by police to give an interview about a game? That is allot more shameful than Schaub's pick 6 in my book.

Edit: And one more thing... What about Tate's fumble? Where are all of you Tate is better than Foster guys now and how does that not play into this loss, yet I hear nary a word about that play. The Texans gave that game away, not Schaub alone.
 
Nitrofish said:
Ok so what you are saying is that all of the INT's were Schaub's fault and the rest of the team and coach have nothing to do with them? Isn't that being a bit excessive blaming one guy even though this is a team game? Surely you do not believe that other factors were not involved in those INT's? So when the fans lay all of that at the feet of their QB and give passes to other mistakes by coaches and other players, it seems fair weather to me no matter how you slice it.

All this talk about putting Yates or Keenum in 4 weeks into the season because Schaub has made some mistakes is hilarious and desperate. The Schaub haters have been clamoring for years to get rid of Schaub, and now they smell blood in the water and have ramped up their emotional rhetoric in an attempt to say "see. I told you so." That is not supporting your team.

I am not saying there are not fair weather fans from other franchises, of course there are, but that does not mean the entire fan base feels the way they do. You assume because of all of the negativity on this board, or the fair weather posts people make on the official FB posts that all Texans fans hate Schaub and blame everything on him.

I mean how many active members does this board have? Is it a tiny fraction of ALL Texans fans? I would remind you what it was like to be without a team and how that felt, and then finally get a team and suffer through what a really bad team is, so yeah... I think there are way too many whiners on this board who complain about the dumbest things, and this mob mentality where you all gather your torches and pitch forks so you can burn Schaub's jersey, or ignore all of the good he has done for the franchise because you only see, or want to point on his mistakes make me sick as a fan.

Schaub looked like an elite QB in the first half of the Seahawks game, carving up the leagues no.1 D like it was child's play. But all some of you can do is talk about 1 play. 1 play that should never have been called, and pretend that it was that play that lost the game. That only ties the score, it did not lost the game. What lost the game was when Cushing went out, and suddenly Wilson is running all over the Texans D, and even then, the play that ultimately lost the game was the penalty on Jackson. That gave them a first down they did not earn, and put them in scoring position. Where is all of the hate and jersey burning towards Jackson?

No, instead fair weather fans pick the easy scape goat and ignore everything else. I mean how much worse can it get when our starting QB must be escorted by police to give an interview about a game? That is allot more shameful than Schaub's pick 6 in my book.

Edit: And one more thing... What about Tate's fumble? Where are all of you Tate is better than Foster guys now and how does that not play into this loss, yet I hear nary a word about that play. The Texans gave that game away, not Schaub alone.
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Thanks for being a voice of reason in here Nitro!
 
im so glad the national media has finally started bashing Schaub unlike the chronicle (only major newspaper in town) who babies schaub more than kubiak.

So glad that all the major sports outlets have started putting the heat on schaub because he has gotten away with it for far too long here in houston because of the utterly soft (probably paid off media see tania ganguli & mclain) houston media.

Congrats on being two years late.
 
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