All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[HJam72]

Here's a depressing article about Schaub's record in games that count:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2013/09/analysis_matt_schaubs_winner_l.php

He talked about Brady being known for pocket presence, Brees for accuracy, & Manning for IQ, but I know what Schaub is actually known for & it's exactly what you'd expect from Kubiak's QB: the fake hand-off...

Not IQ, or accuracy, or arm-strength, it's one of the most BASIC things a QB does. I know it's a good thing to be that good at it, but it's kind of messed up that his greatest strength as a QB is pretending to hand the ball to his RB.

 

[Nitrofish]

He talked about Brady being known for pocket presence, Brees for accuracy, & Manning for IQ, but I know what Schaub is actually known for & it's exactly what you'd expect from Kubiak's QB: the fake hand-off...

Not IQ, or accuracy, or arm-strength, it's one of the most BASIC things a QB does. I know it's a good thing to be that good at it, but it's kind of messed up that his greatest strength as a QB is pretending to hand the ball to his RB.

More Schaub bashing. lol Cuz we all know that the Houston Press and Sean Pendergast are sports authorities right?

Schaub's tenure in Houston has been marked by rampant criticism. Wherever he may rank in the pantheon of NFL quarterbacks, consider this:

In their first five seasons, the Texans were 24-56 (.300) with five losing seasons. In the six seasons since Schaub arrived in 2007, the Texans are 53-43 (.552) with one losing season and two AFC South titles.

Schaub ranks seventh in NFL history in completion percentage (64.3), ahead of Tom Brady and Joe Montana. He ranks 11th all time in passer rating (91.9) and 12th in passing yards per attempt (7.77).

Since 2007, he's ninth in the NFL in passer rating (93.3), ahead of Matt Ryan (90.9), Michael Vick (87.8), Eli Manning (86.5) and Joe Flacco (86.3).

And Schaub's 261.4 passing yards per game since joining the Texans would rank third in NFL history behind only Drew Brees (270.1) and Peyton Manning (265.6). Elite? Maybe not, but certainly better than he gets credit for.

Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.

Shameless
:kubepalm:

 

[Lucky]

Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.

I think reaching back to 2007 to criticize Schaub is unfair and misses the point. Pointing out Schaub's recent play is fair. And he has not played to the level he attained in the past. I think the Matt Schaub of 2009-2011 would be capable of doing his part in bringing a championship to Houston. The Matt Schaub we've seen recently is not.

 

[steelbtexan]

I think reaching back to 2007 to criticize Schaub is unfair and misses the point. Pointing out Schaub's recent play is fair. And he has not played to the level he attained in the past. I think the Matt Schaub of 2009-2011 would be capable of doing his part in bringing a championship to Houston. The Matt Schaub we've seen recently is not.

Do you think his play falling off coincides with his foot injury?

I will go with C-N-D on this one and if he's right Schaub's play aint going to get better. (Happy thought for the day)

Good news is Seattle is missing 3 starting OL Sunday, including their C/LT. I actually think the Texans are going to shock the world and get a win, if the offense doesn't turn the ball over.

Steel B's lock of the week O/U 41.5 take the U

 

[Nitrofish]

I think reaching back to 2007 to criticize Schaub is unfair and misses the point. Pointing out Schaub's recent play is fair. And he has not played to the level he attained in the past. I think the Matt Schaub of 2009-2011 would be capable of doing his part in bringing a championship to Houston. The Matt Schaub we've seen recently is not.

Fair enough, but are you saying that because Schaub had one bad game this year that it requires this level of scrutiny? Schaub played well in the first two games, then goes on the road to a place the Texans have never won at and lays and egg and suddenly all the Schaub haters ramp up their rhetoric and you think that is fair?

All of this we could be 0-3 stuff is silly. We could just as easily be 3-0, or 1-2, and to pretend that Schaub is to blame for all of the Texans woes is way too easy. The glaring mistakes by the pass rush, and pass coverage have just as much to do with what happened in Baltimore as how Schaub played, but I do not hear you guys calling for Wade's head, or calling out Jackson, or Joseph for their less than stellar play.

all this finger pointing is childish, and there are allot more things wrong with the 2013 Houston Texans than the bad game Schaub had last week. But I realize that it is week 3, and all teams are struggling to play at their full potential, not just the Texans, and what my post illustrates is that what Kubiak said was true. Matt Schaub's play (Along with allot of others) has turned this club from a perennial loser, to a contender, and those stats prove that. To ignore or dismiss them because of one game is ludicrous.

 

[silvrhand]

More Schaub bashing. lol Cuz we all know that the Houston Press and Sean Pendergast are sports authorities right?

Schaub's tenure in Houston has been marked by rampant criticism. Wherever he may rank in the pantheon of NFL quarterbacks, consider this:

In their first five seasons, the Texans were 24-56 (.300) with five losing seasons. In the six seasons since Schaub arrived in 2007, the Texans are 53-43 (.552) with one losing season and two AFC South titles.

Schaub ranks seventh in NFL history in completion percentage (64.3), ahead of Tom Brady and Joe Montana. He ranks 11th all time in passer rating (91.9) and 12th in passing yards per attempt (7.77).

Since 2007, he's ninth in the NFL in passer rating (93.3), ahead of Matt Ryan (90.9), Michael Vick (87.8), Eli Manning (86.5) and Joe Flacco (86.3).

And Schaub's 261.4 passing yards per game since joining the Texans would rank third in NFL history behind only Drew Brees (270.1) and Peyton Manning (265.6). Elite? Maybe not, but certainly better than he gets credit for.

Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.

Shameless
:kubepalm:

I really wish people would stop quoting completion % as a good stat for Matt. It's not like Matt is throwing laser bombs, he's a QB in a run first play action that has a great RB, TE, and WR. He's in the perfect system, lots of swings, screens, and bad passes that he's getting bailed out by his receivers.

 

[silvrhand]

Fair enough, but are you saying that because Schaub had one bad game this year that it requires this level of scrutiny? Schaub played well in the first two games, then goes on the road to a place the Texans have never won at and lays and egg and suddenly all the Schaub haters ramp up their rhetoric and you think that is fair?

All of this we could be 0-3 stuff is silly. We could just as easily be 3-0, or 1-2, and to pretend that Schaub is to blame for all of the Texans woes is way too easy. The glaring mistakes by the pass rush, and pass coverage have just as much to do with what happened in Baltimore as how Schaub played, but I do not hear you guys calling for Wade's head, or calling out Jackson, or Joseph for their less than stellar play.

all this finger pointing is childish, and there are allot more things wrong with the 2013 Houston Texans than the bad game Schaub had last week. But I realize that it is week 3, and all teams are struggling to play at their full potential, not just the Texans, and what my post illustrates is that what Kubiak said was true. Matt Schaub's play (Along with allot of others) has turned this club from a perennial loser, to a contender, and those stats prove that. To ignore or dismiss them because of one game is ludicrous.

Did you actually watch the TN game, he has one good game, the rest was not just bad but really really bad.

 

[Nitrofish]

I really wish people would stop quoting completion % as a good stat for Matt. It's not like Matt is throwing laser bombs, he's a QB in a run first play action that has a great RB, TE, and WR. He's in the perfect system, lots of swings, screens, and bad passes that he's getting bailed out by his receivers.

I love this... Do you have anything to base your opinion on or are you just throwing that out there? The perfect system? Wait, I thought the Texans system is antiquated and predictable and that is why we lose games? And now you try to use it as an argument for why Schaub is accurate? lol You cannot have it both ways. As far as laser bombs go, our system does not rely on massive vertical strikes, but rather strategic ones, and then conservative play that eats up clock, so it's no wonder Schaub is not airing it out every play. He is not required too.

Did you actually watch the TN game, he has one good game, the rest was not just bad but really really bad.

No don't be silly. I don't actually watch the games. I just make this stuff up as I go along. On a serious note. Matt Schaub won the TN game with not one, but two great drives and a perfect throw to the rookie in the end zone. He played well when the game was on the line against what appears to be a pretty good defense, and that is all that matters. But sure, you go ahead and say it was everyone else bailing him out, not him actually making the plays because that makes perfect sense.

 

[steelbtexan]

More Schaub bashing. lol Cuz we all know that the Houston Press and Sean Pendergast are sports authorities right?

Schaub's tenure in Houston has been marked by rampant criticism. Wherever he may rank in the pantheon of NFL quarterbacks, consider this:

In their first five seasons, the Texans were 24-56 (.300) with five losing seasons. In the six seasons since Schaub arrived in 2007, the Texans are 53-43 (.552) with one losing season and two AFC South titles.

Schaub ranks seventh in NFL history in completion percentage (64.3), ahead of Tom Brady and Joe Montana. He ranks 11th all time in passer rating (91.9) and 12th in passing yards per attempt (7.77).

Since 2007, he's ninth in the NFL in passer rating (93.3), ahead of Matt Ryan (90.9), Michael Vick (87.8), Eli Manning (86.5) and Joe Flacco (86.3).

And Schaub's 261.4 passing yards per game since joining the Texans would rank third in NFL history behind only Drew Brees (270.1) and Peyton Manning (265.6). Elite? Maybe not, but certainly better than he gets credit for.

Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.

Shameless
:kubepalm:

So, with all of the stats quoting and crap, do you believe Schaub's the guy to win the Texans a Lombardi? Because if he's not then the Team is just wasting time. It's my belief that there is no way Schaub can win a SB. Before the foot injury I would've been in agreement with you, that he could win a SB. If that's the way you feel.

 

[Nitrofish]

So, with all of the stats quoting and crap, do you believe Schaub's the guy to win the Texans a Lombardi? Because if he's not then the Team is just wasting time. It's my belief that there is no way Schaub can win a SB. Before the foot injury I would've been in agreement with you, that he could win a SB. If that's the way you feel.

Well let's see... He is our best chance vs anyone we have on our team, and anyone else available on the FA market so yes, I believe he can play well enough to win the Lombardi.

His foot injury two years ago has nothing to do with his current play. That is more likely due to our offensive line playing pretty poorly not affording Schaub the time he needs to make the play, because when he has been given the time he has carved up the opposing D nicely so far. The picks are mostly tipped balls, and there is little Schaub can do about that, but once again, if the defenders were being blocked and not up in his grill on nearly every passing situation, those may not have happened, and could have just as easily been big plays for Schaub and the team.

People said "There is no way" men could go to the moon, or fly in the air, or run the 40 in under a certain amount of time, or make a potato chips taste like pizza, or have electricity in every home in America. But in every one of those, and many more cases they were wrong, and so are you.

If the likes of Flacco, Dilfer, Williams, Bradshaw and many others can win the Lombardi, so can Schaub.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

After game interview:

 

[thunderkyss]

I will go with C-N-D on this one and if he's right Schaub's play aint going to get better. (Happy thought for the day)

Nothing against CnD, but I'm seeing a better than 2011 Schaub out there. Sure enough, we'll see come January.

Schaub most likely won't do anything spectacular, we're numb to what he does, but the numbers will be there, I'm thinking even better. Right now he's dealing with protection issues & new receivers.. .Kubiak is tweaking the offense, a lot of change we're not even aware of (like the OL splits, I've never seen them that wide), so we're going to struggle & this year the group-think has decided to put it all on Schaub's shoulders & he's taking it like a man.

 

[thunderkyss]

all this finger pointing is childish...

Great post.

& if what Brian Cushing said was meant the way our fans want to believe, it's not good for the Houston Texans. It would be the beginning of the end of the Texans as we know them. Just like Rex Ryan is allowed to stay in NY & try again, Kubiak will be here till this iteration of the team is no more & we're starting on another.

I hope Cushing was not saying what they think he was saying.

 

[dream_team]

I really wish people would stop quoting completion % as a good stat for Matt. It's not like Matt is throwing laser bombs, he's a QB in a run first play action that has a great RB, TE, and WR. He's in the perfect system, lots of swings, screens, and bad passes that he's getting bailed out by his receivers.

Well not only does he have a high completion percentage, but he also has a high yards per attempt. So he's not exactly dinking & dunking all the time.

And all of the great QBs had great receivers (except for Brady alot of years). Montana & Young had great receivers. Peyton always had some of the leagues best receivers. Brees has Colston, Graham & Sproles to bail him out. Rodgers had arguably the best receiving core the past few years.

I'm also getting tired of people saying Schaub is a product of the 'system'. If we are a perennial top 10 offense (in both yards and scoring), despite the play of our "crappy" QB, Kubiak deserves more credit as an offensive mastermind.

 

[dream_team]

I love this... Do you have anything to base your opinion on or are you just throwing that out there? The perfect system? Wait, I thought the Texans system is antiquated and predictable and that is why we lose games? And now you try to use it as an argument for why Schaub is accurate? lol You cannot have it both ways. As far as laser bombs go, our system does not rely on massive vertical strikes, but rather strategic ones, and then conservative play that eats up clock, so it's no wonder Schaub is not airing it out every play. He is not required too.

This! ^^^

People are asking, "What happened to 2010 Matt?" Nothing happened to him, the big difference is we have a good defense now. We don't need an aggressive offense to keep pace with the other team anymore.

 

[thunderkyss]

Jake Plummer.

Kubiak/Shanahan took what was basically Tony Romo & made him a winner. AFC Championship game & Super Bowl contender.

Regardless what we think of Schaub I think we can all agree that we can get to an AFC Championship game with him if Kubiak/Shanahan can take Plummer to the AFC Championship game & if we can get to the AFC Championship game, there's a good chance we can get to the Super Bowl.

Right now Schaub has a better chance of winning the Super Bowl than RG3, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Michael Vick, Matt Ryan, even Colin Kaepernick. Even is he's just lucky, this is where we are.

 

[2012Champs]

Did you actually watch the TN game, he has one good game, the rest was not just bad but really really bad.

As has been pointed out you have to explain why his completion % and yards per attempt are both high

 

[steelbtexan]

Well let's see... He is our best chance vs anyone we have on our team, and anyone else available on the FA market so yes, I believe he can play well enough to win the Lombardi.

His foot injury two years ago has nothing to do with his current play. That is more likely due to our offensive line playing pretty poorly not affording Schaub the time he needs to make the play, because when he has been given the time he has carved up the opposing D nicely so far. The picks are mostly tipped balls, and there is little Schaub can do about that, but once again, if the defenders were being blocked and not up in his grill on nearly every passing situation, those may not have happened, and could have just as easily been big plays for Schaub and the team.

People said "There is no way" men could go to the moon, or fly in the air, or run the 40 in under a certain amount of time, or make a potato chips taste like pizza, or have electricity in every home in America. But in every one of those, and many more cases they were wrong, and so are you.

If the likes of Flacco, Dilfer, Williams, Bradshaw and many others can win the Lombardi, so can Schaub.

Compare the 2009-2010 tape to the 2012-2013 tape and tell me if you think Matt is the same guy. The rest of the team has to be perfect to carry Matt, is this the same with Manning? Monday night Manning seemed to be able to have his offense rise to the occasion despite the OL missing LT Clady and C Walton.

Time will tell who's right or wrong on this. So you have no idea if I'm wrong. I do respect the fact that you are calling your shot right now. I would hope that you respect my position. I hope you're right and Schaub gets us to a SB.

I tell you what, I will make a bet with you, I will buy YOU a Super Bowl ticket if the Texans MAKE the Super Bowl. If they dont you cut me a check for $1000.00. I'm putting my $$$$ where my mouth is. (You're getting the better of the deal $$$$ wise and the Texans should make the playoffs, so all you need is Matt to step up in big games.) Looking forward to seeing your reply soon.

 

[steelbtexan]

Well let's see... He is our best chance vs anyone we have on our team, and anyone else available on the FA market so yes, I believe he can play well enough to win the Lombardi.

His foot injury two years ago has nothing to do with his current play. That is more likely due to our offensive line playing pretty poorly not affording Schaub the time he needs to make the play, because when he has been given the time he has carved up the opposing D nicely so far. The picks are mostly tipped balls, and there is little Schaub can do about that, but once again, if the defenders were being blocked and not up in his grill on nearly every passing situation, those may not have happened, and could have just as easily been big plays for Schaub and the team.

People said "There is no way" men could go to the moon, or fly in the air, or run the 40 in under a certain amount of time, or make a potato chips taste like pizza, or have electricity in every home in America. But in every one of those, and many more cases they were wrong, and so are you.

If the likes of Flacco, Dilfer, Williams, Bradshaw and many others can win the Lombardi, so can Schaub.

If Schaub's their best chance the they're screwed. The OL is hurt, but guess what the Seahawks/49ers/Broncos OL's are also hurt and they dont seem to be having the ofensive problems that the Texans are having. So, that's either on Gary/Matt or some combination of the two.

I dont seem to remember the int's against the Tinbreds or Balt being tipped. But my mind could be failing me. Or you could just be making sh*t up as you go.

 

[infantrycak]

If Schaub's their best chance the they're screwed. The OL is hurt, but guess what the Seahawks/49ers/Broncos OL's are also hurt and they dont seem to be having the ofensive problems that the Texans are having. So, that's either on Gary/Matt or some combination of the two.

The Niners have looked horrible 2 of 4 games with resulting blowouts.

I dont seem to remember the int's against the Tinbreds or Balt being tipped. But my mind could be failing me. Or you could just be making sh*t up as you go.

Two of Schaub's first three INTs were off tips. The first play of the game against San Diego and one of the two against the Tacks (not the pick six).

 

[thunderkyss]

I tell you what, I will make a bet with you, I will buy YOU a Super Bowl ticket if the Texans MAKE the Super Bowl. If they dont you cut me a check for $1000.00. I'm putting my $$$$ where my mouth is. (You're getting the better of the deal $$$$ wise and the Texans should make the playoffs, so all you need is Matt to step up in big games.) Looking forward to seeing your reply soon.

that's not a money where your mouth is bet, that's taking the long odds, stacking the deck in your favor.

Make it an Afc Championship ticket for an Afc Championship game appearance or I'll cut you a check for $200 & I'm your huckleberry.

 

[busterspencer]

Of course not. All wins are credited to anyone but Schaub/Kubiak, and all losses are directly their fault. WE GET IT!

Amen...Schaub and Kube never get any of the credit...I remember Carr and the other coach..

 

[silvrhand]

As has been pointed out you have to explain why his completion % and yards per attempt are both high

I'm not sure why people think his yards per attempt are high? He's actually horrible for the year.

18 attempts have been 0 yards, or < LOS.
59 attempts have been > then 0 and < 9 yards.
77 attempts out of 128 attempts are less than 9 yards accounts for 60% of his passes.. Ouch.

 

[steelbtexan]

that's not a money where your mouth is bet, that's taking the long odds, stacking the deck in your favor.

Make it an Afc Championship ticket for an Afc Championship game appearance or I'll cut you a check for $200 & I'm your huckleberry.

You're not a true believer that Shaub is going to take the team to the SB? If NF was he would take the bet.

I tell you what, $200 bet, you win if the Texans make the AFC championship game this yr. I hope I'm paying you $$$$. LOL

 

[DocBar]

I'm not sure why people think his yards per attempt are high? He's actually horrible for the year.

18 attempts have been 0 yards, or < LOS.
59 attempts have been > then 0 and < 9 yards.
77 attempts out of 128 attempts are less than 9 yards accounts for 60% of his passes.. Ouch.

Are those stats you posted the overall distance a play covered or the distance Schaub actually threw to his receivers? YPA could seem high if there's decent YAC despite not throwing the ball deep. You know, like WCO was designed?

 

[rpagz3]

Schaub can't handle the pressure when the pocket collapses.

 

[DX-TEX]

Schaub can't handle the pressure when the pocket collapses.

Well thank you Captain Obvious! Have anymore unknown insight to share?

 

[infantrycak]

I'm not sure why people think his yards per attempt are high? He's actually horrible for the year.

18 attempts have been 0 yards, or < LOS.
59 attempts have been > then 0 and < 9 yards.
77 attempts out of 128 attempts are less than 9 yards accounts for 60% of his passes.. Ouch.

Not sure where you got your numbers. ESPN has:

23 behind LOS
63 1-10
35 11-20
7 20+

So 67% 10 or less yards in the air (that may be some of the number difference but this is more indicative of the QB play). But is that ouch?

Flacco 66.4%
Rodgers 70.5%
Manning 67%
non-Peyton 61.4%
Brady 70%
Big Ben 56%
Ryan 72%
Dalton 71%

Would appear not to be. The only two QBs with significantly lower percentages have a combined record this season of 0-6.

 

[thunderkyss]

You're not a true believer that Shaub is going to take the team to the SB? If NF was he would take the bet.

I tell you what, $200 bet, you win if the Texans make the AFC championship game this yr. I hope I'm paying you $$$$. LOL

Again, this is a put my money where my mouth is bet. You suggested to put your money where your mouth is.... You've got to give me better odds to meet that criteria.

 

[ObsiWan]

Compare the 2009-2010 tape to the 2012-2013 tape and tell me if you think Matt is the same guy. The rest of the team has to be perfect to carry Matt, is this the same with Manning? Monday night Manning seemed to be able to have his offense rise to the occasion despite the OL missing LT Clady and C Walton.

Time will tell who's right or wrong on this. So you have no idea if I'm wrong. I do respect the fact that you are calling your shot right now. I would hope that you respect my position. I hope you're right and Schaub gets us to a SB.

I tell you what, I will make a bet with you, I will buy YOU a Super Bowl ticket if the Texans MAKE the Super Bowl. If they dont you cut me a check for $1000.00. I'm putting my $$$$ where my mouth is. (You're getting the better of the deal $$$$ wise and the Texans should make the playoffs, so all you need is Matt to step up in big games.) Looking forward to seeing your reply soon.

Please.
No wagering.

 

[steelbtexan]

Again, this is a put my money where my mouth is bet. You suggested to put your money where your mouth is.... You've got to give me better odds to meet that criteria.

What odds are you looking for. The Texans should make the playoffs considering the division they play in? If so, then you're telling me they aren't going to be better than they were last yr?

Where's the faith in your boy Schaubie? LOL

 

[thunderkyss]

What odds are you looking for. The Texans should make the playoffs considering the division they play in? If so, then you're telling me they aren't going to be better than they were last yr?

Where's the faith in your boy Schaubie? LOL

I'm just saying, 2 of 16 teams are going to make it to the Afc Championship game that's like 8 to 1. I'm only looking for something that pays 2 to 1. If it's a you put your money where your mouth is. You win I (or he) pays $100. If the Texans are in the Afc Championship game you pay $200

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm just saying, 2 of 16 teams are going to make it to the Afc Championship game that's like 8 to 1. I'm only looking for something that pays 2 to 1. If it's a you put your money where your mouth is. You win I (or he) pays $100. If the Texans are in the Afc Championship game you pay $200

Lets split the difference since the Texans only have to improve 1 game over last yr for you to win. I'll give you 200 if you win for 150 I win.

BTW,I hope I lose. LOL

 

[thunderkyss]

Lets split the difference since the Texans only have to improve 1 game over last yr for you to win. I'll give you 200 if you win for 150 I win.

BTW,I hope I lose. LOL

13-3?

I don't like that bet. I'm thinking we'll be the third/fourth seed, hence my sig

 

[steelbtexan]

13-3?

I don't like that bet. I'm thinking we'll be the third/fourth seed, hence my sig

So you dont think a Schaub led team is going to make it to the AFC championship game?

Never said anything about 13-3.

 

[thunderkyss]

So you dont think a Schaub led team is going to make it to the AFC championship game?

Never said anything about 13-3.

I was a little confused about what you meant by one game better.

AFC Championship game... yeah, I'll take that bet.... Schaub or no Schaub.

 

[dalemurphy]

So you dont think a Schaub led team is going to make it to the AFC championship game?

Never said anything about 13-3.

Here's some easy money for you guys that know Schaub and Kubiak can't win a suberbowl:

I'll take the Texans at 10 to 1 to win the Superbowl. Any takers? Easy money for those so adamant that Schaub doesn't have what it takes... To make it even better, if Schaub goes down for the year with an injury, we can void the bet- since clearly, Yates or Keenum would tip the scales towards my favor.

Anyone?

 

[steelbtexan]

Here's some easy money for you guys that know Schaub and Kubiak can't win a suberbowl:

I'll take the Texans at 10 to 1 to win the Superbowl. Any takers? Easy money for those so adamant that Schaub doesn't have what it takes... To make it even better, if Schaub goes down for the year with an injury, we can void the bet- since clearly, Yates or Keenum would tip the scales towards my favor.

Anyone?

Put me down for $50.

This is the last bet I'm taking.

I will gladly hand out the $$$$ if I'm wrong.

Go Texans

 

[steelbtexan]

I was a little confused about what you meant by one game better.

AFC Championship game... yeah, I'll take that bet.... Schaub or no Schaub.

Schaub has to start the playoff game before the AFC championship game, or the bets a push.

 

[silvrhand]

Here's some easy money for you guys that know Schaub and Kubiak can't win a suberbowl:

I'll take the Texans at 10 to 1 to win the Superbowl. Any takers? Easy money for those so adamant that Schaub doesn't have what it takes... To make it even better, if Schaub goes down for the year with an injury, we can void the bet- since clearly, Yates or Keenum would tip the scales towards my favor.

Anyone?

$100 on 10 to 1 odd, I'll take it.

 

[silvrhand]

Not sure where you got your numbers. ESPN has:

23 behind LOS
63 1-10
35 11-20
7 20+

So 67% 10 or less yards in the air (that may be some of the number difference but this is more indicative of the QB play). But is that ouch?

Flacco 66.4%
Rodgers 70.5%
Manning 67%
non-Peyton 61.4%
Brady 70%
Big Ben 56%
Ryan 72%
Dalton 71%

Would appear not to be. The only two QBs with significantly lower percentages have a combined record this season of 0-6.

PFF stats, which if you include QBR rating from ESPN, it gets even worse. Then you look at his average yard per pass and it shows we just aren't simply getting the ball down the field.

Part of it Andre doesn't have the speed anymore to take the top off the coverage, and is not more of a possession receiver. We really didn't get a speed guy in the draft and I do like DeAndre but he's still not a burner that creates space between the deep zones and the LB's for Schaub to exploit which is his favorite target area.

My personal view is that we have seen the best of Matt, and he's going downhill, if another game or two like the previous two you have to pull him. We have Superbowl talent all around him, we just can't seem to get it done.

 

[silvrhand]

To make things worse, he's far worse under pressure or when getting blitzed, and if any DC starts to see this trend more and more this year you can pretty much dial up the blitz all the time.

Passing under pressure
Pressure Drop-backs Runs Att. Com. Com. % Yds Yds / Att. TD INT Sk NFL QB Rating Pff.com Rating
No pressure 75 0 75 57 76.0 469 6.3 5 2 0 102.6 5.1
Plays under pressure 60 0 53 28 52.8 369 7.0 1 2 7 65.7 -1.7
When not blitzed 78 0 75 55 73.3 466 6.2 3 1 3 96.9 5.0
When blitzed 57 0 53 30 56.6 372 7.0 3 3 4 73.8 -1.6
All Plays 135 0 128 85 66.4 838 6.5 6 4 7 87.3 3.4

 

[beerlover]

PFF stats, which if you include QBR rating from ESPN, it gets even worse. Then you look at his average yard per pass and it shows we just aren't simply getting the ball down the field.

Part of it Andre doesn't have the speed anymore to take the top off the coverage, and is not more of a possession receiver. We really didn't get a speed guy in the draft and I do like DeAndre but he's still not a burner that creates space between the deep zones and the LB's for Schaub to exploit which is his favorite target area.

My personal view is that we have seen the best of Matt, and he's going downhill, if another game or two like the previous two you have to pull him. We have Superbowl talent all around him, we just can't seem to get it done.

Classic know when to hold know when to fold epilogue.

Personally, I'm tired of his folding.

 

[DocBar]

PFF stats, which if you include QBR rating from ESPN, it gets even worse. Then you look at his average yard per pass and it shows we just aren't simply getting the ball down the field.

Part of it Andre doesn't have the speed anymore to take the top off the coverage, and is not more of a possession receiver. We really didn't get a speed guy in the draft and I do like DeAndre but he's still not a burner that creates space between the deep zones and the LB's for Schaub to exploit which is his favorite target area.

My personal view is that we have seen the best of Matt, and he's going downhill, if another game or two like the previous two you have to pull him. We have Superbowl talent all around him, we just can't seem to get it done.

We may well have seen the ceiling for Schaub, but the WCOis tailor made for guys like AJ and Dhop. Rice matched up better with AJ than just about any other receiver in the league. Speed is good but running a 3.8 means jack **** if you aren't carrying the rock.

 

[silvrhand]

We may well have seen the ceiling for Schaub, but the WCOis tailor made for guys like AJ and Dhop. Rice matched up better with AJ than just about any other receiver in the league. Speed is good but running a 3.8 means jack **** if you aren't carrying the rock.

Speed absolutely matters when stretching the zone defense, otherwise they just sit on top of the first 20 yards and you have no open receivers.

 

[thunderkyss]

Speed absolutely matters when stretching the zone defense, otherwise they just sit on top of the first 20 yards and you have no open receivers.

I agree with this, but we've never been a vertical, seven step drop offense. Jacoby took the top off defenses for a while here & he's never been as fast as Andre, or DeAndre, or Posey, or Martin. Kubiak can get these guys wide open & they'll get major YAC, safeties will have to play deeper to stay in front of them.

But Schaub does have to throw the ball.

I also don't think Schaub is going to get benched if he throws another interception. Most of what's not going right, is not Schaub. Sure he's not making things happen like a Kaepernick (2-2 with two poor offensive performances) but he's "playing well" within the system.

 

[hradhak]

But Schaub does have to throw the ball.

I also don't think Schaub is going to get benched if he throws another interception. Most of what's not going right, is not Schaub. Sure he's not making things happen like a Kaepernick (2-2 with two poor offensive performances) but he's "playing well" within the system.

He's not going to get benched unless he's hurt. But I think there comes a point when something needs to change. Change the playcalling, change the run-pass mix, etc. What frustrates me so much about this team is that we don't really seem to gameplan differently against teams.

I was really excited last year against the Broncos when we identified a weakness in their secondary and exploited it several times. We need to be playing more aggressively if we want to beat teams like the Hawks and bring several new plays when we go up against the elite teams.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I agree with this, but we've never been a vertical, seven step drop offense. Jacoby took the top off defenses for a while here & he's never been as fast as Andre, or DeAndre, or Posey, or Martin. Kubiak can get these guys wide open & they'll get major YAC, safeties will have to play deeper to stay in front of them.

But Schaub does have to throw the ball.

I also don't think Schaub is going to get benched if he throws another interception. Most of what's not going right, is not Schaub. Sure he's not making things happen like a Kaepernick (2-2 with two poor offensive performances) but he's "playing well" within the system.

You can't expect YAC when your QB only seems to throw jump-up balls, behind his receivers, high passes, come back routes, almost hit-the-ground passes and into multiple coverage (especially when there are obvious alternatives present).

 

[Corrosion]

Was going to start a new thread , but it all comes back to Schaub anyhow ... so here's my thoughts:


This entire offense is designed to keep the QB clean , from a strong running game to the play action stuff where they take their shots .... Masking the QB's weaknesses while taking advantage of what he has historically done well.

Its obvious to me that Gary understands what he has at the QB position .....

Over the last 8-10 games including the last few & playoffs last season , the QB hasn't been able to execute the game plan and rather than being a positive or net zero , that QB has hurt the teams chances.

I noticed against the Tinbreds that Schaub's play action fakes weren't up to the standards we are accustomed to ... I really think this is telling of a greater issue. It could be the accumulation of injuries to the shoulder & feet or it could be lacking trust in the OL having to turn his back to the defense.

When I look at the throws Schaub is making (or not) , its easy to see he isn't near as accurate with his location as he was in the past ... I think that is pointing to those injuries being a bigger deal than we are led to believe.


Is Schaub damaged goods or is the OL the problem ?! .... He should be performing to a higher standard in an offense designed around him being kept clean.

 

[DocBar]

He's not going to get benched unless he's hurt. But I think there comes a point when something needs to change. Change the playcalling, change the run-pass mix, etc. What frustrates me so much about this team is that we don't really seem to gameplan differently against teams.

I was really excited last year against the Broncos when we identified a weakness in their secondary and exploited it several times. We need to be playing more aggressively if we want to beat teams like the Hawks and bring several new plays when we go up against the elite teams.

Where's Tonya Harding and her boyfriend when we need them??

Seriously though, I'm frustrated with the game planning a lot of times, too. Kubiak get's hard headed and wants to impose his will and run the ball regardless of the circumstances.

The success of a lot of his plays rely on the defense not know if it's a pass or a run because they start out the same. That can work great against a very aggressive or undisciplined defense, but not so much against disciplined ones that don't bite on play action fakes. Kubiak seems to be unwilling or unable to change it up on a regular basis.