You could just as easily make the case that slot receiver was deemed unimportant enough that they would keep a fringe player like Anderson to play it, rather than spend decent $$ or picks to fill the spot.
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PapaL
Loose Screw
I just read "You could just as easily make Case that slot receiver.." I was all you've got to be f'in kidding me.
I think I need a break.
CuseFan
Practice Squad
Weird, I heard he had a really good day...
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
People see different things. Both at games and at practice. When observing the same event.
You may be right. Not my observation. He has had better days and has been a standout since Bonner got hurt.
Kubiak did mention wanting to see Lemon as a return man..... at least I think that's what I read. I'll try to find it.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Since Bonner went out, Lemon has shined with more opportunities.
Although, will note that most of the offense looked horrible on Wednesday. Like Kubiak eyeball laser beams of death horrible. This was the kind of day that Kubiak lets loose with some anger you typically don't see on public camp days.
The argument makes 0 sense. David Anderson is the proof that the position was important?
And you shouldn't keep players that are worse than other players. The slot receivers in this offense don't have to be little guys. Martin probably won't even play much if posey comes back and can play.
Martin hasn't even shown he can play the slot at a high level. He hasn't even flashed as a playmaker from that position. He's dropped a ton of balls when people are around him and he doesn't really catch the ball and pick up yac.
The threat to Martin is anyone that looks significantly better. He'll get the benefit if the doubt since he's a draft pick, but not because he's seen as some guru of the slot position.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I didn't realize it was that bad to Martin. 4 drops on only 10 receptions is pretty bad, but I didn't realize he was targeted 28 times. 10 receptions, 4 drops...28 targets. I don't want him on the field with those numbers.
For all the warts jacoby had, he'd have been better here last year than Martin was.
Hopefully Martin takes a huge step forward because if he doesn't hes not worth much.
CloakNNNdagger
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I know the Texans are playing this down. But do you really think that if all was going well and as planned, Reed would be traveling anywhere for rehab..... for any reason? Understand this. Reed has yet to be able to run and practice, and has looked somewhat gimpy, even on the sidelines. The importance of hips to a safety........for running, cutting and especially torquing/swivelling those hips that you always hear about in evaluating safeties........are like the importance of eyes to a tight rope walker. In each case, lacking that facility puts them "dead in the water."
Porky
Hall of Fame
Good point for sure. I see no reason to be optimistic that he gets off the regular season PUP list. I think he is on it and then works his way back in around mid-season.
While I highly appreciate the Veteran leadership and presence he brings to the team, I'm just not sure how good he will be on the field even at 100% health. The last couple of years he really was starting to show some wear on the tread.
I'm more pessimistic on that safety spot now than I was coming into camp because DJ isn't ready, Reed is not coming around - and that leaves us with Keo. Dear God.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Yes, Gary Kubiak is going to cut Martin because he had a terrible rookie season and didn't blow **** up in preseason game #1.
Do you guys just sit around coming up with wacky cuts that would go completely against what we know about Kubiak and Smith just so you can be mad at the Texans?
Do you guys just sit around coming up with wacky cuts that would go completely against what we know about Kubiak and Smith just so you can be mad at the Texans?
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I was wondering about that. If he sees himself as a Center, but just helping out where he can. I like this, guy wants to start.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
FWIW, he's been running on the side field. A lot. I haven't seen him look gimpy. He's been doing drills that involve changing of direction.
I'm not sure he likes people watching his workouts though. He busted me doing it once and jokingly asked me if I'd like to join him.
I think of the Ed Reed thing as sort of like accommodating Roger Clemens...he's accomplished so much in his career that you are going to let him do stuff that some other guys don't do.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Martin has had a great camp. When there is no real hitting.
That being said, he can't have last year's drops nor the drops that he had in the first preseason game.
The Texans use the short pass like a run. Dropping short gimme passes are death to the offense because the offense crushes people when down/distance sane.
Though people talk of him as a slot guy, I actually think he looks better with targets near the sidelines not over the middle. Worry some he gets knocked off his routes, over physicaled off the line.
That being said, he has had a great camp. Needs to translate it to games.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
What was painful about a lot of those drops were that he wasn't being used as a down field option with low percentage throws. His targets were supposed to be the gimme, move the chains ones.
I wasn't buying on Martin in the last camp. Very inconsistent. Looks much more consistent this one.
Just needs to translate that into games. 3-4 WR sets could be more fun to watch with that.
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I think just a look-see is all. May need to find #2 & #3 PR just in case.
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From what I recall at the Combine, that was one of his selling points: he could return kicks. He's the All Time Leader in Punt Return Yardage... at Idaho... which isn't really saying a whole lot.
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Keo was also used on KO return occasionally.
In his career he also notched runs of 31, 32, and 35 yards.
Those were his only rush attempts in college.
He played 2-way in HS, at safety and RB.
In his Sr year, he rushed for 1,572 yards on 113 carries (13.9 average) with 21 TDs.
He also threw for 3TDs.
Keo was also the starting shortstop for his school baseball team.
Keo returned punts in college .... was a very good special teams player @ Idaho.
I think its giving him an opportunity to separate himself from Pleasant because I don't see both staying on the roster (pending Reed's health).
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Texans training camp is officially over as of today. No more two-a-days.
Coach Kubiak gave the team Monday off, which was the last eligible day for TC.
Texans Training Camp Quotes: August 15
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WR DeAndre Hopkins
S Shiloh Keo
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Coach Kubiak gave the team Monday off, which was the last eligible day for TC.
Texans Training Camp Quotes: August 15
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WR DeAndre Hopkins
S Shiloh Keo
T David Quessenberry
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Porky
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Not to split hairs, but I think the separation between Keo and Pleasant is already vast. I mean Keo wasn't starting for no reason.
Like I said before I think it all hinges on how healthy Reed is. We can't go into the season with only 3 healthy safeties so we may need to have Pleasant on the roster initially.
Since Keo has been with the Texans, have you ever seen him flash the athleticism that would lead you to believe he could be an NFL punt returner?
I haven't, either.
So what did Keo do in pee wee football? Because that would have as much bearing on his ability to perform in the NFL.
Why do people need to be sarcastic so often?
A guy who had shown to be able to play different positions and different sports shows that he has versatility. It is the reason that prompted Deion Sanders to praise Keo at the combine and no doubt the reason why Wade Phillips drafted him.
Or do you think differently?
PapaL
Loose Screw
I hear he was a beast at 4 Square. Recess monitor thought he could pro.
Yes, I think differently. I see Keo as fringe athlete who has zero chance of being a good NFL returner. He lacks speed, quickness, agility. And that's just in his play as a safety. And I don't know or care what Sanders was thinking.
drs23
Veteran
Consider it confirmed. You are indeed correct Sir.
He wont be special .... but he will be solid / reliable as a PR. Think Kevin Walter .....
I don't want to see him as the KR to , we saw enough of that last season ....
Kevin Walter wasn't a punt returner. Jacoby Jones was the 15th ranked PR in the league last year, averaging 9 yards/return. Do you think Keo has that ability? Antonio Brown is an outstanding athlete, and he averaged 6.8 yards/punt return. Could Keo approach that?
Could Keo fair catch without muffing? Sure. Is that what the Texans are looking for in their return game? Sounds like another huge fail is looming for the Texans special teams.
Well, so far he has one punt return for 11 yards (in 2011), so it wasn't like he was terrible right off the bat.
Also, he had dropped some weight.
He's listed on the Texans website at 209 instead of 219 at the combine.
Now he didn't run a fast forty at the combine, but his other numbers show more burst than people tend to believe.
Check the numbers out at nfldraftscout.
D Manning may have ran a 4.48 at the combine (at 202lbs), but his ten-yd split was 1.62, as compared to 1.61 for Keo.
His 20SS time and 3-comes were 4.08 and 7.24
Keo's numbers were 3.9 and 6.55, both were quite superior to Manning's
Those three numbers combined with the weight loss tend to show an athelete with a quick short burst, which is what you want in a punt returner.
What I mean was think of KW as a receiver - not special or spectacular .... just solid / reliable. That's what I see from Keo as a PR.
That's not to say he's the PR during the season .... but he will be a reliable PR who will protect the ball and make no mistakes if he's called upon.
Yeah , I think he could average 6-7.5ypr .... No he wont give us the highlight reel plays Jacoby Jones is capable of , but he wont scare the sh!t outa us every time he touches the ball either.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
Why isn't Martin returning punts/kicks? In my opinion, he's the most capable returner right now. He's fast and quick.
Keo's the guy who showed up at the combine with 20% body fat as a defensive back. Fail. And he's supposed to be returning kicks and punts? Please tell me it's a joke.
Keo's the guy who showed up at the combine with 20% body fat as a defensive back. Fail. And he's supposed to be returning kicks and punts? Please tell me it's a joke.
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
Interesting fact, Earl Mitchell's 10-yard split is 1.56.
Faster than both of them.
Big Earl returning punts?
Could be Keo is saving a gear that nobody has ever seen, not even himself ?
But seriously, maybe Keo is better than Martin when it comes to ball security, atleast that's how the coaching staff may very well feel and that's all that really counts, and ultimately the #1 priority for kick and punt return guys is hanging onto the ball.
But why all the abuse for Shiloh, why not be happy for a guy who is clearly not a superior physical specimen or gifted athlete, but apparently has overcome his physical limitations to perhaps carve out his own little niche in the NFL.
EllisUnit
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it dont matter all he has to do is neal and we start at the 20, the NFL is trying to get rid of kick off returns. Thank god for us haha
Yeah, Keo is just waiting in the wings and saying " I can't wait until Kubiak puts me in a real game and I show him what vision, moves and speed I have. Keo's dream is to make the roster as a ST player. Why risk your health by showing that skill in practice.:
