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Training camp 2013

I was at camp yesterday and kicked it with wilcots and kirwan while they did the player interviews after practice. We talked about jefferson being a natural bender in his rush. For a guy 6'5, he can bend and explode off the corner. We also talked about more 3wr sets and more angle blocking. While they were interviewing meyers, the subject of angle and g-power came up. Before he answered, my buddy and I thought about brooks. Brooks on some of that angle or g-power is gonna be lethal.

I dunno how its gonna play out,but the texans will not be ablle to hide quissenbury nor jefferson on ps. In fact,both have outplayed their drafted counter parts in williams,williams,and montegomery. All in all, practice was boring. No hitting or collisions in 2.5 hrs. On a side note, schaub tried a 15 yd out and it looked like a hot air baloon was on it. Terrible,terrible throw.
 
Tuggle actually got a sack vs. Miami.

The one I saw was more of a hustle play than a "beat the man in front of you" play.

& that's fine, I like hustle. But he doesn't look like a pass rusher, or at least he needs some work. So I wouldn't put him on the weak side. He doesn't have enough in the trunk to play on the strong side.

From what I saw on that Miami game tube, he'll make his money on the inside.
 
I dunno how its gonna play out,but the texans will not be ablle to hide quissenbury nor jefferson on ps. In fact,both have outplayed their drafted counter parts in williams,williams,and montegomery.

To be fair, the two third rounders were injured. That's one of the reasons I want to see Quiz with my own eyes.
 
I was at camp yesterday and kicked it with wilcots and kirwan while they did the player interviews after practice. We talked about jefferson being a natural bender in his rush. For a guy 6'5, he can bend and explode off the corner. We also talked about more 3wr sets and more angle blocking. While they were interviewing meyers, the subject of angle and g-power came up. Before he answered, my buddy and I thought about brooks. Brooks on some of that angle or g-power is gonna be lethal.

I dunno how its gonna play out,but the texans will not be ablle to hide quissenbury nor jefferson on ps. In fact,both have outplayed their drafted counter parts in williams,williams,and montegomery. All in all, practice was boring. No hitting or collisions in 2.5 hrs. On a side note, schaub tried a 15 yd out and it looked like a hot air baloon was on it. Terrible,terrible throw.

Sorry to be THAT guy but..
Quessenberry was drafted in the 6th round.
 
I was at camp yesterday and kicked it with wilcots and kirwan while they did the player interviews after practice. We talked about jefferson being a natural bender in his rush. For a guy 6'5, he can bend and explode off the corner. We also talked about more 3wr sets and more angle blocking. While they were interviewing meyers, the subject of angle and g-power came up. Before he answered, my buddy and I thought about brooks. Brooks on some of that angle or g-power is gonna be lethal.

I dunno how its gonna play out,but the texans will not be ablle to hide quissenbury nor jefferson on ps. In fact,both have outplayed their drafted counter parts in williams,williams,and montegomery. All in all, practice was boring. No hitting or collisions in 2.5 hrs. On a side note, schaub tried a 15 yd out and it looked like a hot air baloon was on it. Terrible,terrible throw.

Montgomery will probably be placed on IR. (Stashed)

Williams will be cut because of the reasons you stated. (The other guys are better) You dont always hit on all of your draft picks. (It happens) Unlike Casserly regime I hope Rick/Gary just keep the best players and dont let their egos get involved.
 
The one I saw was more of a hustle play than a "beat the man in front of you" play.

& that's fine, I like hustle. But he doesn't look like a pass rusher, or at least he needs some work. So I wouldn't put him on the weak side. He doesn't have enough in the trunk to play on the strong side.

From what I saw on that Miami game tube, he'll make his money on the inside.

I saw the same thing. Doesn't look like a pure pass-rusher but maybe 1 game doesn't do him justice. We'll see tomorrow what the coaches see in him since he's starting.
 
Montgomery will probably be placed on IR. (Stashed)

Williams will be cut because of the reasons you stated. (The other guys are better) You dont always hit on all of your draft picks. (It happens) Unlike Casserly regime I hope Rick/Gary just keep the best players and dont let their egos get involved.

I think it's going to be tough to predict the roster this year.
Who knows, somebody that we think is shoed in may not make it.
They may cut Sharpton or Mays for all we know.
Or maybe they will cut Schaub, hahaha!
 
Montgomery will probably be placed on IR. (Stashed)

Williams will be cut because of the reasons you stated. (The other guys are better) You dont always hit on all of your draft picks. (It happens) Unlike Casserly regime I hope Rick/Gary just keep the best players and dont let their egos get involved.

Which Williams are you referring to, Trevardo or Brennan? I'm thinking Brennan will be an IR stash, and that Trevardo will make the roster as depth and special teams.
 
I think it's going to be tough to predict the roster this year.
Who knows, somebody that we think is shoed in may not make it.
They may cut Sharpton or Mays for all we know.
Or maybe they will cut Schaub, hahaha!

I highly doubt mays get cut. It looks like he'll probably start as that thumper next to cushing. I think if they press for roster spots, keenam goes to ps. I highly doubt anyone will pick him up. I also think with jefferson camp, braman might be in trouble. If they keep 9 lbs like most 3-4 teams, someone is gonna get cut between braman and sharpton or maybe both.
 
I highly doubt mays get cut. It looks like he'll probably start as that thumper next to cushing. I think if they press for roster spots, keenam goes to ps. I highly doubt anyone will pick him up. I also think with jefferson camp, braman might be in trouble. If they keep 9 lbs like most 3-4 teams, someone is gonna get cut between braman and sharpton or maybe both.

In that case, Sharpton goes, Braman is too big a beast on ST to be cut IMO.
 
To be fair, the two third rounders were injured. .
Meh.

We don't know how it will turn out ultimately, but Montgomery and B. Williams stunk of bust from the minute they were drafted. They were both risky (for different reasons), high ceiling, low floor type players. The whole idea behind taking them was that Montgomery is a 1st round talent *if* there weren't work ethic concerns, and B. Williams is a 1st round talent *if* there weren't injury concerns. Well, Montgomery came into camp out of shape and B. Williams came into camp hurt.

Dollars to donuts Smith would have gone a different way with those picks if he could do it again.
 
In that case, Sharpton goes, Braman is too big a beast on ST to be cut IMO.

Braman is another one I don't understand why they keep trying him at OLB (maybe they tried ILB & it was worse, I don't know). He's talented. He works hard. He has a mean streak. If he's not getting it done on the edges, I'd like to see him attacking the LOS from the inside.

He's a beast, you'd think we could find a way to use that to our advantage.

(& it's not that I think ILB is a step down from OLB, I just think they are different & we need to find a place for some of these "good" players to play).
 
I highly doubt mays get cut. It looks like he'll probably start as that thumper next to cushing. I think if they press for roster spots, keenam goes to ps. I highly doubt anyone will pick him up. I also think with jefferson camp, braman might be in trouble. If they keep 9 lbs like most 3-4 teams, someone is gonna get cut between braman and sharpton or maybe both.

Well, let's look at this -

ILB -
51 Mays, Joe
49 Collins, Cameron
56 Cushing, Brian
61 Davis, Ja'Gared
52 Dobbins, Tim
51 Sharpton, Darryl


OLB -
50 Braman, Bryan
63 Jefferson, Willie
64 Johnson, Delano
59 Mercilus, Whitney
53 Mohamed, Mike
57 Montgomery, Sam
58 Reed, Brooks
47 Tuggle, Justin
54 Williams, Trevardo

That's 15 LB's in camp. I think we can say with 100% certainty (except one thing which I will now knock on wood for) that Cushing, Mercilus, and Reed make it. Fairly safe imo Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins and T Williams. That is 7. So, that only leaves two by your count. I think ST will play a role here too.

You have:

Jefferson
Braman
D Johnson
M Mohamed
S Montgomery
Tuggle
Collins
J Davis

That's some tough cutting there. I see very little chance for Mohamed and Davis given the talent and depth. D Johnson, Tuggle, and Collins have a long shot chance. I see more PS chance for them.

Now we are down to Jefferson, Braman, and Montgomery. I could see them carrying all of these guys IF Montgomery can get healthy and come around. Jefferson and Braman should be ST studs. I realize Braman is limited as a LB, but he has real value as a ST, and I think they keep him based on ST.
 
Trevardo Williams is not getting cut and neither is Brendan Williams, what the hell is wrong with you. Same for Montgomery, those guys will be IR'd before they are cut. What the hell have you been smoking and how much do they charge for an eighth, seriously. I need weed.
 
I don't even think they'll end up on IR. They weren't drafted in the third round to be stashed. At the least, they are expected to practice with the backups and starters throughout the season.
 
Well, let's look at this -

ILB -
51 Mays, Joe
49 Collins, Cameron
56 Cushing, Brian
61 Davis, Ja'Gared
52 Dobbins, Tim
51 Sharpton, Darryl


OLB -
50 Braman, Bryan
63 Jefferson, Willie
64 Johnson, Delano
59 Mercilus, Whitney
53 Mohamed, Mike
57 Montgomery, Sam
58 Reed, Brooks
47 Tuggle, Justin
54 Williams, Trevardo

That's 15 LB's in camp. I think we can say with 100% certainty (except one thing which I will now knock on wood for) that Cushing, Mercilus, and Reed make it. Fairly safe imo Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins and T Williams. That is 7. So, that only leaves two by your count. I think ST will play a role here too.

You have:

Jefferson
Braman
D Johnson
M Mohamed
S Montgomery
Tuggle
Collins
J Davis

That's some tough cutting there. I see very little chance for Mohamed and Davis given the talent and depth. D Johnson, Tuggle, and Collins have a long shot chance. I see more PS chance for them.

Now we are down to Jefferson, Braman, and Montgomery. I could see them carrying all of these guys IF Montgomery can get healthy and come around. Jefferson and Braman should be ST studs. I realize Braman is limited as a LB, but he has real value as a ST, and I think they keep him based on ST.

That's tough man, especially 'cause I think they might keep only eight.
 
I think reed being able to play inside will be a factor. Ja'gared isn't getting much hype, but I like what I saw from him in college.

I don't think Dobbins, sharpton or Mays are a lock to make it.

But I don't see how we could cut one of the udfa olb's if they show pass rush ability. I don't have any faith in any of our edge rushers to put any consistent pressure on qb's. I'd almost be more willing to put crick and Jamison out there on passing downs.
 
But I don't see how we could cut one of the udfa olb's if they show pass rush ability. I don't have any faith in any of our edge rushers to put any consistent pressure on qb's. I'd almost be more willing to put crick and Jamison out there on passing downs.

Judging by what we saw last year, that might be our best hope.
 
I think reed being able to play inside will be a factor. Ja'gared isn't getting much hype, but I like what I saw from him in college.

I don't think Dobbins, sharpton or Mays are a lock to make it.

But I don't see how we could cut one of the udfa olb's if they show pass rush ability. I don't have any faith in any of our edge rushers to put any consistent pressure on qb's. I'd almost be more willing to put crick and Jamison out there on passing downs.

I don't think they are a lock and said so. Having said that, I'll be shocked if the final roster doesn't include all 3 of these guys (barring that thing I knock on wood about)
 
Well, let's look at this -

ILB -
51 Mays, Joe
49 Collins, Cameron
56 Cushing, Brian
61 Davis, Ja'Gared
52 Dobbins, Tim
51 Sharpton, Darryl


OLB -
50 Braman, Bryan
63 Jefferson, Willie
64 Johnson, Delano
59 Mercilus, Whitney
53 Mohamed, Mike
57 Montgomery, Sam
58 Reed, Brooks
47 Tuggle, Justin
54 Williams, Trevardo

That's 15 LB's in camp. I think we can say with 100% certainty (except one thing which I will now knock on wood for) that Cushing, Mercilus, and Reed make it. Fairly safe imo Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins and T Williams. That is 7. So, that only leaves two by your count. I think ST will play a role here too.

You have:

Jefferson
Braman
D Johnson
M Mohamed
S Montgomery
Tuggle
Collins
J Davis

That's some tough cutting there. I see very little chance for Mohamed and Davis given the talent and depth. D Johnson, Tuggle, and Collins have a long shot chance. I see more PS chance for them.

Now we are down to Jefferson, Braman, and Montgomery. I could see them carrying all of these guys IF Montgomery can get healthy and come around. Jefferson and Braman should be ST studs. I realize Braman is limited as a LB, but he has real value as a ST, and I think they keep him based on ST.

ILB-

Cushing
Mays
Sharpton
Dobbins

PS - Cameron Collins

OLB -
Reed
Mercilus
Braman
S.Montgomery
T.Williams

PS - Tuggle & Jefferson.



This is another of those positions I could see them hiding a player or two on IR. Some of these guy's have a lot of promise and would be tough to cut. Only issue is that players on IR count against the cap - post 53 man roster.


Neither Williams nor Montgomery have shown much , one of them could be IR fodder this season , basically a redshirt season to learn the position and NFL game. The closer we get to the regular season and they are still playing poorly , the greater the odds it plays out with one of them IR'd.

The guy's I have listed as PS at this point are still longshots to make the final 53 even with one of the drafted rookies IR'd.


Braman aint going anywhere , he's the best ST player on a piss poor ST squad. I couldn't imagine how pathetic they would have been last season without he and Alan Ball ....


BTW it was Jefferson's blown lane assignment that led to the big KO return. Not so sure I'd pencil him as a ST stud. As Kubiak stated , he has a long way to go.
 
Braman is another one I don't understand why they keep trying him at OLB (maybe they tried ILB & it was worse, I don't know). He's talented. He works hard. He has a mean streak. If he's not getting it done on the edges, I'd like to see him attacking the LOS from the inside.

He's a beast, you'd think we could find a way to use that to our advantage.

(& it's not that I think ILB is a step down from OLB, I just think they are different & we need to find a place for some of these "good" players to play).

I agree, Ive been advocating this mean since last year. Braman just screams ILB to me. And I thought when Cushing went down, we would at least entertain the idea of shifting Braman inside, but never did. At this point, I doubt they make that move, but I still am convinced it would be a great move.
 
I agree, Ive been advocating this mean since last year. Braman just screams ILB to me. And I thought when Cushing went down, we would at least entertain the idea of shifting Braman inside, but never did. At this point, I doubt they make that move, but I still am convinced it would be a great move.

IIRC, they tried him at ILB in the preseason last year. I could be wrong about that, though...
 
:deadhorse:

Braman doesn't have it upstairs folks, starting LB's have to think believe it or not. Situational pass rusher? maybe. Straight line gunner? Definitely.

I for one am in no big rush to see Braman trailing his man for a touchdown because of a brainfart/blown coverage/missed assignment. What the hell do I know, I'm the guy who exaggerates and doesn't understand the meaning of 'finally' ... LOL.
 
:deadhorse:

Braman doesn't have it upstairs folks, starting LB's have to think believe it or not.

You obviously don't no the story of Bobby Boucher.

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Update from Drew Dougherty on things including QB Miami game order.

The Texans practiced outside at the Houston Methodist Training Center on Sunday afternoon. The team was in shorts and hats, and held a walk-through a day-and-a-half after beating the Vikings in the preseason opener. Linebacker Brian Cushing, however, missed because of an illness.

“He came in sick on us this morning,” head coach Gary Kubiak said. “We’ve had a few guys sick and today’s his turn I guess.”

Kubiak also said left guard Wade Smith, who’s missed some practice and didn’t play Friday at Minnesota, should return soon from a slight knee injury he suffered last week.

“Wade’s fine,” Kubiak said. “We actually slowed down his process a little bit, get the inflammation out of his knee. We’ll see where we’re at probably mid-week and make a decision on Miami for him.”


The head coach said he won’t decide until “the end of the week”, and that he wants each signal-caller getting repetitions with same groups.

For Keenum, he reiterated that his approach will be “the same as it’s always been,” and that he plans on making the most of whatever opportunity comes his way.

“I know I’m going to get a chance,” Keenum said. “That’s all I can ask for no matter what time of the game it is, what rep it is. You can’t really tell what plays it’s going to be either. Just got to go out and do my absolute best no matter what time it is and that’s the opportunity I get.”

The Texans resume two-a-days on Monday morning with an 8 a.m. CT practice followed by afternoon work at 2:15 p.m. They face the Dolphins at Reliant Stadium this Saturday night.
 
From HT.com

QB Case Keenum

(on what will be the emphasis for him this week) “Lot of emphasis, pocket presence, just decision-making, operating the offense. Kind of doing a better job of operating as a quarterback, just kind of knowing what’s going on with game-time situations. There’s a lot of stuff to look at the film and work on. Just keep getting better every day like I always do.”

(on his reaction to the hype surrounding his position recently) “It is what it is. It’s the same it’s always been. I’m going to keep the same mindset I’ve always kept. Nothing’s changed. I’ve got to do better. That’s the deal. If you go out and play well, you’ve got to come back and do it again. If you go out and play bad, you’ve got to forget about it and move on. Same mindset I’ve always had.”

(on Coach Kubiak saying the he’s got his swagger back like he had in college) “I think it feels good to just get back out and play quarterback and play, and not just try to go out there and survive. Being able to operate and move the ball and know what’s going on is a big key.”

(on smiling so much when he plays football) “I can always count on you to tell the quotes or whatever is said about me. I love playing football. This is something that I’ve always loved doing and getting out there and playing quarterback especially is a lot of fun. It’s what I’m supposed to be doing right now.”

(on if he knew he was smiling that much during the game on Friday) “Yeah, I knew I was having a good time. That’s always a good thing.”

(on if anyone has said to him that smiling so much could be a sign of weakness) “No, I think you’ve got to have fun. It’s not making light of what I do by any means, but if you’re not having fun, if you’re not getting amped up, then I think you should probably be doing something else.”
 
Light on tweets from half practice, bottom to top...

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
"It’s too hot. I thank God I can’t get any blacker than this, but it’s just ridiculous hot out here, especially today.” (2/2)

Cierre Wood on the heat in Houston “Houston is a real great city. This heat, that about takes the cake for me... (1/2)

DeAndre Hopkins: "I’ve got a lot of improving to do."

"It was everything I thought it would be plus more." -- DeAndre Hopkins on his first NFL preseason game. #TexansTalk

Arian Foster, Ed Reed and DeVier Posey, three on PUP, were all still working on the side/not practicing on Sunday afternoon. #TexansTalk

“I know I’m going to get a chance. That’s all I can ask for no matter what time of the game it is."-- Case Keenum today.

OLB Sam Montgomery was "full-go" for practice today, according to Kubiak.

Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
Kubiak also said LG Wade Smith is "fine", and #Texans will decide later in week if he plays vs. Miami.

"Just sick. We’ve had a few guys sick and today’s his turn I guess.”-- Kubiak when asked about Brian Cushing's illness.

"I don't care if I have to snap. I'll do what I have to make this team."-- Cierre Wood today.
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
Asked Joseph for his surprise of the game. Was an (Eddie) Pleasant surprise. Said "he's everywhere, tackling, making plays on the ball"

Vance Joseph calls Texans' secondary play "sloppy". Contributes it mostly to missed tackles & 1st "live" game. Players 1st chance to tackle

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Brian Cushing wasn't out at practice today because he's sick.
 
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
Quote:
Asked Joseph for his surprise of the game. Was an (Eddie) Pleasant surprise. Said "he's everywhere, tackling, making plays on the ball"

I've got to admit... I was upset for that TD he, Swearinger, & Carmichael allowed & that might have clouded my judgement a little. I had him in my "did not impress" column. But after watching the game again (without all the fuzz) he had a pretty respectable game.
 
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL

Texans signed ILB Elliot Coffey, who played at Baylor and is Sugar Land native.
6:55 PM - 11 Aug 2013

An ex-Bronco undrafted FA from last year.

Not terribly surprising since I hear that Frierson will be or has been placed on IR.
 
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Texans newest player, ILB Elliot Coffey, is son of former Washington Redskins safety Ken Coffey, who played with Redskins 1983-86.

Texans sign ILB Elliot Coffey from Baylor & Sugar Land Clements. He replaces ILB Evan Frierson who is going on IR.

Still chasing down if Elliot is any relation to John Coffey...

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Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box.
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Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box.
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No excuse P'offs....... He should have balls of steel. He's clearly an injury prone bust. Peterson would've took it like a champ!
 
Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box.
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I guess he found said stone after many hours spent with the trainer? He sure hasn't shown them in previous years.
 
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26


Still chasing down if Elliot is any relation to John Coffey...

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Just listened to the post game podcast and it was pretty clear to me Tate's injury was he got hit in the stones, so that shouldn't be an issue outside of the PTSD that we all know follows after taking one in the jewel box.
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Coffey has his Grandfather John's healing ability . They brought him in to work with Sharpton .

Footage of Kubiak coaching up Tate .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzCnrpfUaAk
 
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