All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[thunderkyss]

Look at the way the Ravens handled the Flacco situation as a template.

I don't know what's true here. After the game, the NFLN guys were talking to Joe & asked him what he thought about the decision he made to wait till after the season.

Led me to believe the Ravens made him an offer, but Flacco thought he was worth more.

 

[HJam72]

I don't know what's true here. After the game, the NFLN guys were talking to Joe & asked him what he thought about the decision he made to wait till after the season.

Led me to believe the Ravens made him an offer, but Flacco thought he was worth more.

Yeah, I've been wondering if Flacco knew he could do more....possibly with a better OC.

 

[deucetx]

I don't know what's true here. After the game, the NFLN guys were talking to Joe & asked him what he thought about the decision he made to wait till after the season.

Led me to believe the Ravens made him an offer, but Flacco thought he was worth more.

Yep, that's correct. It wasn't the Ravens who tabled the talks but Flacco himself. He felt he deserved more and took the risk. Guess his gamble paid off and his agent is seeking top five quarterback type money. So really didn't have much to do with the Ravens handling him properly but Flacco's own actions of turning down an offer and August and pushing it to the side to show what he's about.

As for Schaub...well...its a pain. I'm not Schaub fan and sometimes refer to him is Matt Campbell for that chicken noodle soup of an arm. Nonetheless, I still think we can win with him. If Hassleback can get there so can Matt. He's just the type that needs things going right so we need to improve the talent around him more. Yes, we already have talent on offense with Foster, Dre and O.D. but we have to realize what we have. Schaub is not elite and at this point not even a tier 2 type of guy. He'd probably fall right behind that second group of quarterbacks which means he needs more around him.

It sucks but it is what it is. He's not going anywhere so you got make this offense as much as it can be. He just may not be the type that can carry a team but he can be an essential link in the chain of a total package....so to speak lol

 

[thunderkyss]

As for Schaub...well...its a pain. I'm not Schaub fan and sometimes refer to him is Matt Campbell for that chicken noodle soup of an arm. Nonetheless, I still think we can win with him. If Hassleback can get there so can Matt. He's just the type that needs things going right so we need to improve the talent around him more. Yes, we already have talent on offense with Foster, Dre and O.D. but we have to realize what we have. Schaub is not elite and at this point not even a tier 2 type of guy. He'd probably fall right behind that second group of quarterbacks which means he needs more around him.

He looks better when we play up tempo. He looks better when we play 3 or 4 WRs. If we do more of that, then I think Schaub can, has, & will play "better" More than just a game manager.

Since the kids failed Kubiak, or Kubiak failed the kids, we played more 2 TE sets than we ever had this year & our TEs aren't going to stretch the field like a Gronk or Graham, or Vernon Davis.

Our TEs are good, but they aren't "that" kind of good.

Hopefully next year, with another year starting on the line (Jones & Newton) & these young receivers with Kubiak, we can get back to stretching the field vertically (we used to lead the league in big plays) & horizontally (with the zone stretch).

 

[Hervoyel]

The Texans need to go ahead and start building OL bigtime. If the reality is that Matt Schaub is "Da' Man! (TM)" in their eyes then they need to get something straight; The running game can't be AWOL against the better teams. It's time to put some money into the line. Keep your lousy WR corps (excluding AJ of course) and roll with your collection of generally slow but reliable TE's and build a unit that can't be denied on the ground. That's a must because you're damn sure not going to get there through the air.

You can even keep running Walter out there.

Then hope enough breaks go your way to get to the Super Bowl.

 

[Yesterday]

For those of you saying we can win with Matt, we just need to give him a LOT of help...you may be right. But the sickening thing is we are paying him ~62 million over 4 years (roughly 15.5 million / season).

Yes, the Ravens won it all with Trent Dilfer. yes, the Seahawks got there with Matt Hasselbeck. But those players were paid peanuts compared to Schaub (I think Dilfer was only a couple million a year, Hasselbeck like 5ish)
Brad Johnson? Same story.

The fact of the matter is we overpaid Schaub (and subsequently couldn't afford to keep the right side of our line, which hurt our running game significantly).

Can we win a super bowl with Matt Schaub? Yes. Can we win one with him taking up such a big portion of our salary cap? I don't think so. TJ Yates made ~500,000 this season. Do you really think that Matt Schaub is $15 million/season better than TJ Yates?

You can't overpay players consistently and win.

 

[thunderkyss]

For those of you saying we can win with Matt, we just need to give him a LOT of help...you may be right. But the sickening thing is we are paying him ~62 million over 4 years (roughly 15.5 million / season).

I don't think Flacco is in the big game without Torrey Smith. Probably not in the play offs.

The Ravens showed up. Top to bottom, 22+ guys showed up in January & won a championship. It wasn't just Flacco. Bolden made some amazing catches. Pitta showed up at the right time, the OL was excellent. Ray Rice kept them on schedule.

We're not saying Matt needs anything any other QB doesn't need. The Patriots run game, receivers, & defense let them down & they lost the AFC Championship game. They didn't have Shane Vareen stepping up, or Welker with 100+ yards in the first half.

True, Brady, Brees, & Rogers makes their guys look better. But Brady, Brees, & Rogers aren't the only guys winning Super Bowls.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think Flacco is in the big game without Torrey Smith. Probably not in the play offs.

The Ravens showed up. Top to bottom, 22+ guys showed up in January & won a championship. It wasn't just Flacco. Bolden made some amazing catches. Pitta showed up at the right time, the OL was excellent. Ray Rice kept them on schedule.

We're not saying Matt needs anything any other QB doesn't need. The Patriots run game, receivers, & defense let them down & they lost the AFC Championship game. They didn't have Shane Vareen stepping up, or Welker with 100+ yards in the first half.

True, Brady, Brees, & Rogers makes their guys look better. But Brady, Brees, & Rogers aren't the only guys winning Super Bowls.

Add in Eli Manning and yes those are the guys winning SB's. Flacco would've been in the SB last yr if not for the Evans dropped TD pass.

I would like to see a limk that says Flacco stopped contract negs. If he did it means he truly thought he should've been in the SB last yr. Flacco is a risk taker. Schaub well lets just say his personality fits the Gary led Texans perfectly.

 

[76Texan]

Add in Eli Manning and yes those are the guys winning SB's. Flacco would've been in the SB last yr if not for the Evans dropped TD pass.

I would like to see a limk that says Flacco stopped contract negs. If he did it means he truly thought he should've been in the SB last yr. Flacco is a risk taker. Schaub well lets just say his personality fits the Gary led Texans perfectly.

Well, saying that Schaub is not a risk taker is more or less correct, but neither are Brady or Brees. And those guys are elite QBs, while I only rate Schaub to be somewhere between 11-15, which is just a tad above mediocre.

I think the main reason is that these offenses are geared more toward stretching the field horizontally.

Over the course of their careers so far, Brady has only attempted 1% more deep passes than Schaub while Brees is lagging Schaub by 1/2%

 

[Yesterday]

Well, saying that Schaub is not a risk taker is more or less correct, but neither are Brady or Brees. And those guys are elite QBs, while I only rate Schaub to be somewhere between 11-15, which is just a tad above mediocre.

I think the main reason is that these offenses are geared more toward stretching the field horizontally.

Over the course of their careers so far, Brady has only attempted 1% more deep passes than Schaub while Brees is lagging Schaub by 1/2%

Completely irrelevant stat. Our entire offense is based around a high % of deep balls (on PA in particular). Under-throwing the ball 40 yards downfield to a wide open AJ does not mean he's a risk-taker. And Brees is certainly a risk-taker, anyone who watches him can see that.

 

[76Texan]

Completely irrelevant stat. Our entire offense is based around a high % of deep balls (on PA in particular). Under-throwing the ball 40 yards downfield to a wide open AJ does not mean he's a risk-taker. And Brees is certainly a risk-taker, anyone who watches him can see that.

So you're saying that even though Brees doesn't attempt a lot of deep passes, he's still taking a lot of risk?

 

[Yesterday]

He does attempt a lot of deep passes. He makes throws down the field that Schaub could only dream of. Do you watch Saints games? Just b/c Schaub throws a higher % of deep passes doesn't mean he is taking more risks.

 

[deucetx]

I would like to see a limk that says Flacco stopped contract negs. If he did it means he truly thought he should've been in the SB last yr. Flacco is a risk taker. Schaub well lets just say his personality fits the Gary led Texans perfectly.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130205_Ravens__Joe_Flacco_wakes_up_famous.html

Excerpt:

Flacco ended contract extension talks before the season and stands to earn millions of dollars more because of the gamble. His five-year deal expires in March. The Ravens could place their franchise tag on Flacco, but his Super Bowl victory all but guarantees that his team will give him a new deal in line with other elite quarterbacks.

The deal he turned down was reportedly $16m per. Apparently the word is he feels he deserves top 5 money around $20m per. He gambled and now can run around yelling "Cha-Ching!!!!"

 

[76Texan]

He does attempt a lot of deep passes. He makes throws down the field that Schaub could only dream of. Do you watch Saints games? Just b/c Schaub throws a higher % of deep passes doesn't mean he is taking more risks.

Well, I just watched a video of Brees describing his two INTs against the Giants for example. Basically, every veteran QB takes a little more chance when they're behind; most QBs really, unless they are really reigned in by their coaches. One was tipped; the other Brees said he threw it exactly where he wanted it to be.

I think he threw a bunch of them against the Falcons, too.
I watched that game, and I don't think there was much risk involved.
Maybe one was (it's been awhile.)

But I don't associate Brees with risk.
Favre was a risk taker; Cutler was a risk taker.

I don't consider a Hail Mary at the end of each half a risk.
I don't consider a deep throw on third and long in no man land a risk.
They are good percentage passes; if you complete it, good; if not, it's like a punt.

 

[76Texan]

OK, so like I just rewatched the Saints/Skins game in week 1 to track all passes 15 yards and deeper.

Brees threw 2 INTs.

On the first one, the Saints had max-protect (7 to block 5; actually only 4 guys really rushed the passer; the other was just waiting for the back to come out of the backfield to cover him.)
The receiver was open, but somehow the Skins was able to push the pocket right up to Brees at the last moment; the pass sailed a high and the safety intercepted it.
That is not a risk. You're supposed to have a good pocket in max-protect for at least 3 seconds.

The other INT was at the end of the game, with the Saints trailing by 8 I think.
With hardly any time left, Brees threw a Hail Mary into the end zone and was intercepted. I don't call that a risk either. You just have to hope for something there, that's all.

 

[Dutchrudder]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130205_Ravens__Joe_Flacco_wakes_up_famous.html

Excerpt:

Flacco ended contract extension talks before the season and stands to earn millions of dollars more because of the gamble. His five-year deal expires in March. The Ravens could place their franchise tag on Flacco, but his Super Bowl victory all but guarantees that his team will give him a new deal in line with other elite quarterbacks.

The deal he turned down was reportedly $16m per. Apparently the word is he feels he deserves top 5 money around $20m per. He gambled and now can run around yelling "Cha-Ching!!!!"

What if they can't work a deal and Flacco hits the free agent market.... and then signs with the Browns. That would be epic!

 

[76Texan]

At any rate, if we cut Schaub, we still save $4M in salary next year if we go with either Yates or Keenum.

All the dead money still remains, but it's going to be there no matter what.

I'm for giving Yates and Keenum long looks next pre-season.
If one of them looks good while Schaub shows not to be sharper with his decisions and his throws; I would cut Schaub and take that money to sign a backup QB when needed.

If Schaub outplays both of them rather convincingly, it should mean that he's back to form (ie., from a tad above mediocre back to borderline top ten) I would keep him.

We can still cut Schaub during the season if he regresses again.
I'm not a Schaub lover nor hater; I just want to see good QB play; that is all.

 

[thunderkyss]

What if they can't work a deal and Flacco hits the free agent market.... and then signs with the Browns. That would be epic!

The Ravens are going to look like a55hats if they end up franchising him.

 

[GP]

I think the locker room in one place was a little uncomfortable that a guy got a big extension after the first reg season game.

And I think another locker room, way over across the country, was pretty excited that their "franchise QB" was going to have to earn his extension the old fashioned way. Like everyone else.

These types of things with QBs, it matters to the other 52 guys. Because he's the guy at the top. It starts and ends with him. Always has, always will.

This is just to follow up on vinny's take earlier. Which is something I co-sign and have felt since about early December 2012.

What we need is a QB who has to have a dynamic year to get a big deal. That likely won't' happen for another 2+ years now. Awesome.

 

[buddyboy]

I'm not cynical I'm rational.

I feel sorry for people who go through their lives believing everything they read or hear.

Do you really think if that locker room doubted him they would say so publicly?

No I am not the guy who knows anyone, but do know that this society has become politically correct to its own demise and that doesn't stop with the sporting world.

When do you ever hear anyone in our locker room criticizing anything?

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me you believe each and every person in the organization believes it is all great and there are no issues? C'mon man ...

That wasn't the argument, don't make up arguments to knock down. The argument was that the locker room supports Schaub.

It's one thing to be cynical. That's hearing one thing, and doubting it, finding evidence, and proving it wrong. What you are doing is hearing one thing, doubting it, and then declaring everyone who believes it to be wrong with no proof but your own "realism".

 

[buddyboy]

I think the locker room in one place was a little uncomfortable that a guy got a big extension after the first reg season game.

And I think another locker room, way over across the country, was pretty excited that their "franchise QB" was going to have to earn his extension the old fashioned way. Like everyone else.

These types of things with QBs, it matters to the other 52 guys. Because he's the guy at the top. It starts and ends with him. Always has, always will.

This is just to follow up on vinny's take earlier. Which is something I co-sign and have felt since about early December 2012.

What we need is a QB who has to have a dynamic year to get a big deal. That likely won't' happen for another 2+ years now. Awesome.

Except like people already posted, Flacco turned down the contract that the Ravens offered him.

So really, it's more like one locker room, way across the country, is pretty excited that their leader wants more money.

 

[GP]

The Texans need to go ahead and start building OL bigtime. If the reality is that Matt Schaub is "Da' Man! (TM)" in their eyes then they need to get something straight; The running game can't be AWOL against the better teams. It's time to put some money into the line. Keep your lousy WR corps (excluding AJ of course) and roll with your collection of generally slow but reliable TE's and build a unit that can't be denied on the ground. That's a must because you're damn sure not going to get there through the air.

You can even keep running Walter out there.

Then hope enough breaks go your way to get to the Super Bowl.

Even the best idea ^^^ probably won't work.

We find new ways to screw up, it's our lot in life. Fix one thing, then the other thing breaks down. Fix THAT, and something over here needs fixing.

This is like my dad's '84 Chevy pickup truck. He spent his weekends replacing **** on that pickup. And I? I got good at video games. I think I ended up the winner there.

 

[GP]

Except like people already posted, Flacco turned down the contract that the Ravens offered him.

So really, it's more like one locker room, way across the country, is pretty excited that their leader wants more money.

Yeah, the point remains: 52 players knew that their QB was going to roll the dice and say "I'll wait. I think I'm worth more than that." That is HUGE balls. Big odds against him, actually.

Schaub comes back from a devastating injury, has one good game right off the bat...WHAMMO! he's got his new deal by the time McClain has finished the snacks in the press room.

No matter which way it went down, it still remains that Schaub was financially set no matter what (unless he gets hurt again, then his salary goes bye-bye and he has to do an injury settlement for less money. Unless he insured himself, at which I would say he probably didn't get covered do to pre-existing Lisfranc injury).

All in all, I really think the early contract for Schaub was bad mojo.

The only thing I have to hope for is that by some miracle Kubiak decides to open the QB position up to a competition in camp and preseason. If neither Case nor TJ can beat out Schaub, then we roll with the Sloth Man again. Like molasses uphill in December.

 

[thunderkyss]

Sorry, wrong forum

 

[GNTLEWOLF]

Yeah, the point remains: 52 players knew that their QB was going to roll the dice and say "I'll wait. I think I'm worth more than that." That is HUGE balls. Big odds against him, actually.

Schaub comes back from a devastating injury, has one good game right off the bat...WHAMMO! he's got his new deal by the time McClain has finished the snacks in the press room.

No matter which way it went down, it still remains that Schaub was financially set no matter what (unless he gets hurt again, then his salary goes bye-bye and he has to do an injury settlement for less money. Unless he insured himself, at which I would say he probably didn't get covered do to pre-existing Lisfranc injury).

All in all, I really think the early contract for Schaub was bad mojo.

The only thing I have to hope for is that by some miracle Kubiak decides to open the QB position up to a competition in camp and preseason. If neither Case nor TJ can beat out Schaub, then we roll with the Sloth Man again. Like molasses uphill in December.

The only problem with an open QB competition in camp is... who decides who won the competition?. It is going to be Kubiak. Kubiak who played golf with Schaub before signing him. Kubiak who believes in Schaub, who has made Schaub the QB that he wants. Loyal to the point of blindness Kubiak. I don't see any possibility of there ever being a real open camp competition. If one ever happens the outcome will be foreordained with this Head Coach.

 

[thunderkyss]

Anyone notice how we call it "forcing it" when Schaub takes a chance?

For instance, the deep pass to Walter (I know.... I know) that was picked in the endzone in the Colts game. He shouldn't have taken that chance, he should have checked it down to the wide open Foster.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

What has he done with the weapons he has had?

Arguably the best receiver in the league.

One of the best TE's.

One of the best RB's.

The hatred goes to where it is earned ...

dont forget about his 3 pro bowl offensive linemen, a back up rb that rushed for nearly 1,000 yards with limited touches year before last year who kubiak (offensive guru(allegedly)) refuses to play.

im glad the year went the way it did. Schaub was out of excuses and i hope the people who were on the fence about him finally made a decision on schaub.

he's a glorified back up qb who has horrible physical tools who isnt that great at being a game manager.

 

[bOODRO87]

Anyone notice how we call it "forcing it" when Schaub takes a chance?

For instance, the deep pass to Walter (I know.... I know) that was picked in the endzone in the Colts game. He shouldn't have taken that chance, he should have checked it down to the wide open Foster.

Haha, I wouldn't use the term Deep Pass but I'm sure that's what your snickering about. But yeah, Schaub stared him down like me when I see a curvy girl walk into my general area.

 

[DX-TEX]

I personally fully believe the "dead arm theory" that is floating around. It states that the Jags and Lions game killed Schaubs arm making it essentially dead. Like what happens to a pitcher in baseball when he throws too much in a season.

I also feel that by keeping him in while knowing this Kubiak caused un repairable damage to schaubs confidence and I question if he will ever recover.

 

[76Texan]

dont forget about his 3 pro bowl offensive linemen, a back up rb that rushed for nearly 1,000 yards with limited touches year before last year who kubiak (offensive guru(allegedly)) refuses to play.

im glad the year went the way it did. Schaub was out of excuses and i hope the people who were on the fence about him finally made a decision on schaub.

he's a glorified back up qb who has horrible physical tools who isnt that great at being a game manager.

Once again, defense and ST affect the Offense in a profound way.

When the ST and the D suck, the O suffers and vice versa.

Pro-Bowlers, as I was reminded, were awarded more for their play the previous years.

By all accounts, most people here determined that the right side of the line is worse. I will add to that the fact that Myers, Smith, and D. Brown all had a down year from last, especially W. Smith.
Brown was the best of them, but then he went on a downward slide toward year end, just ask some of the people on here.

People were complaining about missing Dreessen.
At the beginning of the season, some were saying that AJ no longer has it, that Walter definitely needs to be replaced
Despite the fact that Jacoby dropped a lot of balls when he was here, the trio of Jean-Martin-Posey couldn't replace him. They didn't drop quite as many balls (close, not quite,) but they didn't make many plays either.

And then there was that Foster vegan thingy.
Did you hear these complains last year?

I'd like to have a better QB, but I'm not going to put down Schaub just for the sake of it.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Wait, you mean to say that all the time we spend here going back and forth over players is wasted because no matter what we say or think the team is going to do what it wants to do with no regard for our opinions?

No ****?

Well thanks Bill. Glad you could clear that up for us. Last one out turn off the lights because there's no point in any of this. Can't believe I spent ten ****ing years talking about a football team and they aren't even listening. Damn!



Well, I know it's "stupid" to bother with this but I just can't help myself. Call it habit at this point. I think all these people you're not understanding know good and well that the FO that signed him to the extension is to blame for doing it. We just all know that they're not going anywhere either. Once the bitching starts (justified or not) then it's going to focus on certain key areas. QB is at the top of the list. It comes with the territory. If you want to be a QB in the NFL some people are going to ***** about you damn near every year. If you're nothing special then you'll hear more of it and that's Matt Schaub's situation in a nutshell.

Matt's got weapons. People who say Matt doesn't have weapons need to look again. He's had weapons for years. He's got Arian Foster and Andre Johnson. They're weapons. He has Owen Daniels and he's a weapon. Joel Dreeson was enough of a weapon that the Bronco's went out and signed him for Manning. Jacoby Jones who I hate with the heat of 10,000 suns was a weapon obviously in hindsight. Schaub has and has had weapons. It doesn't change much in the long run. Add some weapons, take away some weapons, Matt stays Matt.

But that's not why the hate goes to Matt. The hate goes to him because he's the QB and he gets more of it because he's not good enough.



I was under the impression that calling other posters names was frowned upon. My mistake I guess. Just my limitations getting in my way again.

at much of that. Oh and BTW, I get some of your sardonic sense of humor. FTR, I agree, Schaub is not good enough.

My point is this, the Texans have a lot, A LOT of problems. Basically they are paper tigers on many, many levels, not just at the QB position.

The only point that I take umbrage with is:

I was under the impression that calling other posters names was frowned upon. My mistake I guess.

Calling people stupid without naming anyone, certainly is not calling "other posters" names. Generalizations are definitely different than attacking or "calling people names". I would suspect that you of all people would know that.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Well it's one thing to criticize Schaub as how you think he plays, but to suggest that his teammates are being done wrong and disrespected simply doesn't add up. His teammates have always expressed belief in Schaub.

Tex... Not sure where you were going with this.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Exactly .... Flacco goes on to win the SB without a new deal and Matt is sitting pretty based on nothing.

JUP!!! Flacco wins a SB and will demand cray cash. WAY more than Schaub but will turn back into, well.... Flacco.

Again, the Texans FO effed up by signing that ridiculous deal, ESPECIALLY coming off the injury that he (Schaub) was coming off, after game one of the season... A very stupid move by the Texans. I certainly wish they would've read Doc Jean's (CnD) post here where Doc basically outlined the way Schaub's season would play out.

That said.. Flacco is Flacco. He probably won't live up to the deal the Ravens give him either. #We know about bad QB deals!

Is Flacco the guy that you saw in the Super Bowl, or is he the guy that you see as very much Tony Romo??? FACT: Flacco has been known to be terrible at times.

 

[Texecutioner]

JUP!!! Flacco wins a SB and will demand cray cash. WAY more than Schaub but will turn back into, well.... Flacco.

Again, the Texans FO effed up by signing that ridiculous deal, ESPECIALLY coming off the injury that he (Schaub) was coming off, after game one of the season... A very stupid move by the Texans. I certainly wish they would've read Doc Jean's (CnD) post here where Doc basically outlined the way Schaub's season would play out.

That said.. Flacco is Flacco. He probably won't live up to the deal the Ravens give him either. #We know about bad QB deals!

Is Flacco the guy that you saw in the Super Bowl, or is he the guy that you see as very much Tony Romo??? FACT: Flacco has been known to be terrible at times.

I love all these knee jerkers Bill. Before the playoffs these guys would have clowned the hell out of you if you even mentioned Flacco amongst these other elites, but now he is the guy we all wish we could have. If only we had Flacco


Flacco has slightly above average for most of his career. He has definitely started to improve, but he is nowhere close to being elite after one SB run.


I want Schaub gone myself, but only with the proper replacement where the team does their dilligence and doesn't just draft someone just to draft someone because. That is exactly how you end up swapping out QB's every other year. Replacing a QB is generally one of the toughest things to do in any sport. You know I can't stand Yates, but I wouldn't mind seeing there be a legit tryout for the starting job next season out of him and Schaub. Either that, or if we can get another free agent QB or if we do draft a guy, let them all compete.

 

[Texecutioner]

No it wasn't ... the argument was is the support of him legitimate.

I say no .... its company line.

And you've got absolutely nothing to base that on other then conspiracy theories fueled by your hatred for the guy.

You haven't ever seen a team where certain players voiced their displeasure to the media about their HC or their QB?? If you haven't you really haven't watched the NFL that long. It happens practically every other year. QB's get blasted by their teammates all the time or at least questioned. That hasn't ever happened on this team even once. The players have done the opposite and spoken highly about their confidence in Schaub. You can create whatever fiction you want about this, but it fails and just comes off as over the top.


You can dislike Schaub yourself and think he is horrible. We all know that you feel that way. You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else, but to suggest that the rest of his team is being disrespected by management for not releasing a guy that would have some pretty strong cap consequences is downright stupid. The players have spoken themselves and "their word" is more then likely how they feel. There are all sorts of factors that go into releasing a player with a salary like Schaub has in the following season right after he just signed a deal. Do you even contemplate any of this stuff at all?? Do you make the connection as far as how a team has to operate under the salary cap?? Where is the money going to come from to sign some other QB after the cap hit?? The Texans may not have to start Schaub next season, but they can't just release him because they all of a sudden feel like it without there being other factors involved. This isn't Madden.

And why aren't you dumping all over JJ Watt for expressing his admiration and confidence in Schaub either? Watt said several times that he has a lot of confidence in the guy and likes him as this team's QB? So isn't Watt disrespecting the rest of the team since he is advocating for Schaub by your same standards??

 

[Yesterday]

You haven't ever seen a team where certain players voiced their displeasure to the media about their HC or their QB?? If you haven't you really haven't watched the NFL that long. It happens practically every other year. QB's get blasted by their teammates all the time or at least questioned. That hasn't ever happened on this team even once. The players have done the opposite and spoken highly about their confidence in Schaub.

To be fair, with most of those teams where the QB is called out, the QB is either HORRIBLE, the teammates are scumbags, or a combination of both.
Sanchez and Tebow, for example.

Who on our team is going to call out Schaub? Andre Johnson didn't call out David Carr, what makes you think he will change his policy? Foster is all about peace and love. Kevin Walter? We could have the worst QB in the NFL and he still wouldn't get called out by teammates.

 

[thunderkyss]

To be fair, with most of those teams where the QB is called out, the QB is either HORRIBLE, the teammates are scumbags, or a combination of both.
Sanchez and Tebow, for example.

Who on our team is going to call out Schaub? Andre Johnson didn't call out David Carr, what makes you think he will change his policy? Foster is all about peace and love. Kevin Walter? We could have the worst QB in the NFL and he still wouldn't get called out by teammates.

They're not going to call out Matt because each one of them know there was something eacb one of them could have done better to help their team get to & win the Super Bowl.

If any of then felt they did everything they could ala Dunta's comments about Carr they would be spouting off.

 

[steelbtexan]

Once again, defense and ST affect the Offense in a profound way.

When the ST and the D suck, the O suffers and vice versa.

Pro-Bowlers, as I was reminded, were awarded more for their play the previous years.

By all accounts, most people here determined that the right side of the line is worse. I will add to that the fact that Myers, Smith, and D. Brown all had a down year from last, especially W. Smith.
Brown was the best of them, but then he went on a downward slide toward year end, just ask some of the people on here.

People were complaining about missing Dreessen.
At the beginning of the season, some were saying that AJ no longer has it, that Walter definitely needs to be replaced
Despite the fact that Jacoby dropped a lot of balls when he was here, the trio of Jean-Martin-Posey couldn't replace him. They didn't drop quite as many balls (close, not quite,) but they didn't make many plays either.

And then there was that Foster vegan thingy.
Did you hear these complains last year?

I'd like to have a better QB, but I'm not going to put down Schaub just for the sake of it.

1. The St's were terrible, the defense? How many TD's did they give up in the Cincy game? What was the avg points scored by the winning teams in the playoffs? The NFL has changed, used to the 1st team that scored 20 usually won. In this yrs playoffs that number appears to have gone up to 30-35 and the Texans haven't been able to keep up.

2. The OL as a whole had an avg yr. But they were constantly facing 8-9 man fronts because defenses weren't threatened vertically. (Due to lack of speed on the outside/Matts inability to hit on the deep ball)

2. Dreessen, The Texans are a running team, Dreessen was their best blocking TE, so they missed him badly.

3. AJ, he is still a great WR but he's turning into more of a possesion WR later in his career. He still has the ability to beat 2nd tier CB's deep. But top CB's can cover him deep. Revis/Cromartie/Rodgers etc.... I dont know the answer to this question but how many times did defenses put a S over the top of AJ compared to previous yrs? (I'm sure you've got previous yrs game tape.)

4. Jones vs Posey/Martin etc... Agreed, but Posey was coming on at the end of last yr. Sad to see his career go this way. I'm hoping in this yrs draft they draft another WR high and sign a vet deep guy like Brandon Gipson or Denario Alexander on the cheap.

5. Foster, he was overused and my belifs are that was because they were covering up for Schaub and his foot. Foster did start playing better when he got off of the vegan diet. But the vegan diet had little to do with his performance. IMHO He just didn't break long runs like he did in the 2011 season.

 

[steelbtexan]

And you've got absolutely nothing to base that on other then conspiracy theories fueled by your hatred for the guy.

You haven't ever seen a team where certain players voiced their displeasure to the media about their HC or their QB?? If you haven't you really haven't watched the NFL that long. It happens practically every other year. QB's get blasted by their teammates all the time or at least questioned. That hasn't ever happened on this team even once. The players have done the opposite and spoken highly about their confidence in Schaub. You can create whatever fiction you want about this, but it fails and just comes off as over the top.


You can dislike Schaub yourself and think he is horrible. We all know that you feel that way. You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else, but to suggest that the rest of his team is being disrespected by management for not releasing a guy that would have some pretty strong cap consequences is downright stupid. The players have spoken themselves and "their word" is more then likely how they feel. There are all sorts of factors that go into releasing a player with a salary like Schaub has in the following season right after he just signed a deal. Do you even contemplate any of this stuff at all?? Do you make the connection as far as how a team has to operate under the salary cap?? Where is the money going to come from to sign some other QB after the cap hit?? The Texans may not have to start Schaub next season, but they can't just release him because they all of a sudden feel like it without there being other factors involved. This isn't Madden.

And why aren't you dumping all over JJ Watt for expressing his admiration and confidence in Schaub either? Watt said several times that he has a lot of confidence in the guy and likes him as this team's QB? So isn't Watt disrespecting the rest of the team since he is advocating for Schaub by your same standards??

Signing Schaub to an extention after 2 games coming off a serious foot injury would be a firable offense on most NFL teams. We're stuck with Schaub for a couple of yrs as fans unfortunately. Thanks Rick/Gary

 

[steelbtexan]

I love all these knee jerkers Bill. Before the playoffs these guys would have clowned the hell out of you if you even mentioned Flacco amongst these other elites, but now he is the guy we all wish we could have. If only we had Flacco


Flacco has slightly above average for most of his career. He has definitely started to improve, but he is nowhere close to being elite after one SB run.


I want Schaub gone myself, but only with the proper replacement where the team does their dilligence and doesn't just draft someone just to draft someone because. That is exactly how you end up swapping out QB's every other year. Replacing a QB is generally one of the toughest things to do in any sport. You know I can't stand Yates, but I wouldn't mind seeing there be a legit tryout for the starting job next season out of him and Schaub. Either that, or if we can get another free agent QB or if we do draft a guy, let them all compete.

Flacco just won a SB and if not for a Lee Evans dropped pass would have made the SB a yr ago.

Doesn't Flacco have the most playoff wins for the ammount of time he has been in the league? He's hardly chopped liver and has been underrated for yrs. IMHO

 

[Double Barrel]

So, evidence that the team loves them some Schaub is the lack of negative comments from his teammates and public support from those same players.

Yet, why isn't that same logic applied to Kubiak? The players love them some Gary and publicly support him. Why is it good to use that logic in support of Schaub but not for Kubiak?

Strange dichotomy in the missing link of logic in that one.

Flacco just won a SB and if not for a Lee Evans dropped pass would have made the SB a yr ago.

Doesn't Flacco have the most playoff wins for the ammount of time he has been in the league? He's hardly chopped liver and has been underrated for yrs. IMHO

Flacco has the most playoff wins on the road than any QB in NFL history, as well.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Exactly .... Flacco goes on to win the SB without a new deal and Matt is sitting pretty based on nothing.

you know what's sad?

matt schaub's most important prove everybody wrong no more excuses year, this year/this past season,

he basically accomplished the same thing TJ Yates did last year.

 

[Vance87]

you know what's sad?

matt schaub's most important prove everybody wrong no more excuses year, this year/this past season,

he basically accomplished the same thing TJ Yates did last year.

Don't kid yourself, if TJ started all of 2011 we wouldn't have made the playoffs.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Don't kid yourself, if TJ started all of 2011 we wouldn't have made the playoffs.

how so?

because the 2 win colts would have taken over the division?

because titans or jags would have beaten us?

we were what 7-3 when yates came in? you act as if he came in after the texans were 13-0 or something?

we would have won that division whether it was yates, schaub, or orlovsky. We won a freaking playoff game and almost beat bmore with yates come on now.

 

[Vance87]

how so?

because the 2 win colts would have taken over the division?

because titans or jags would have beaten us?

we were what 7-3 when yates came in? you act as if he came in after the texans were 13-0 or something?

we would have won that division whether it was yates, schaub, or orlovsky. We won a freaking playoff game and almost beat bmore with yates come on now.

You do remember the Titans finished at 9-7 right? I don't even think we would have gotten to 9-7. Probably 8-8 at best.

And I distinctly remember one of those "2 win" Colts victories coming against TJ's Texans.

 

[Double Barrel]

The fact that you can even have this debate about a 5th string rookie QB vs. a veteran QB says a lot about Schaub without saying much at all.

 

[Vance87]

The fact that you can even have this debate about a 5th string rookie QB vs. a veteran QB says a lot about Schaub without saying much at all.

Not really. People are making it worse than it is.

 

[Double Barrel]

Not really. People are making it worse than it is.

'eh, it's all about perspective. Schaub ain't nothing special. And neither is TJ Yates.

 

[Vance87]

I agree that TJ isn't anything special, but believe given the chance he would be better than Matt.

I would say if we went 6-10 or 7-9 last year and seemed to be going nowhere, I'd say try him out.

Or of course if Matt got injured and TJ played lights out, I'd say keep him in.

Other than that, we risk what we've built over the past 5 years 'just to see what happens'.

 

[Vance87]

We know what happens ... we already know the end of the movie ... Matt fails and we lose.

Well, please indulge and apprise me of next month's lottery numbers.