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3rd Round DeVier Posey WR Ohio State

Corrosion said:
I never said Posey was "Our Guy" .... but it has been pointed out that his measurables were better than those of Randall .... who many wanted to take in the first round.


As for my statement of not getting much credit for calling the pick .... There was only one other person mock or otherwise who nailed a pick .... and that was Yaky calling the 6th round pick of Mondek.


As for the general concensus , I feel like most dont like the pick .... especially those who actively participate in the draft forums. Infact , not a single one of them mentioned Posey .... when I mentioned him , it was met with opposition.

Rmartin , Badboy , You and SteelBlue all disapprove .....


But hey , I nailed the Ben Tate pick year before last too .... while the vast majority were calling for Gerhart ..... who's laughing now ?! .....Best 1-2 RB combo in the entire NFL.


I must admit , I have an advantage ....


Its not so difficult to call a #1 .... but a 3 ? Thats impressive and a #6 is downright clairvoyant.


Props Yaky ....
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I called Chris Johnson as a first rounder when mockers here said no way he goes in the first (they said 2nd round at best). Sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then. No big deal.

Anybody starts nailing multiple picks in consecutive drafts and THEN I'll be impressed. Until then, we're all the same dudes doing the same things.

I have a problem with the Posey pick for multiple reasons, not JUST that he wasn't my guy at that spot. I have stated those multiple reasons and stood by them steadfastly. It is what it is, and the major upside is that we got Jared Crick as added padding for "if" Posey flops.

Missing 10 full games last year is the major gripe I have. It's offset by his prior production in what has been described as not a WR-friendly offense at OSU. But still, the suspension for multiple rules violations...missing 10 games because of it...and inconsistencies in scouting reports is the three-legged stool I'm sitting upon.

Overall, I can swallow my pride and watch him this summer knowing full well that he could be better than what I think he is. I welcome it because it means the Texans will be better as a result of it. Right now, I just have doubts.
 
rmartin65 said:
I still think Gerhart would have as much, if not more, success behind our line as Tate has. And that is nothing against Tate. I think a large, large part of our RBs success is the system we have installed. It is very reminiscent of the 90s Broncos were it was very much a plug and chug type of deal.

As for calling the pick- congrats! I know how hard it is, especially later in the draft. Yaky gets mad props too. But I had a stretch of 3 years where my last published mock of the year had one player the Texans drafted in the round I had him predicted- Barwin, Holliday, Watt. By the way, could you link me to your mock? I would be interested in reading who else you had. I dont remember reading it, but there were so many mocks coming out before the draft that it could have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Thanks!
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You and I went back and forth on Tate / Gerhart .... that entire draft season. But I"ll agree that had we chosen Gerhart , the results would likely be the same , was just pointing out that I called "That pick in that position in the draft."

You and I have had multiple years of predicting Texans picks in specific rounds .... track records not many can compete with .... I cant think of more than a handful of us here (even when this was the "official forum") who have ever called a particular pick in a particular round - First round included. (Kiaser Toro and Morknolle were the only two that nailed the MW pick - and that was #1 overall , shows how difficult it is).

My last post wasnt really directed at anyone but GP .... who has never called a Texans pick for insinuating no credit was due for calling my shot on Posey. The sun sets on a dogs ass .... bla bla bla.

When it comes to draft boards and Mock's in particular .... there are probably 5-6 guy's threads I read .... the rest get ignored (Yaky , you just got added to the read list).You know I read you , BL and Steve's mocks as I almost always comment in them .... Respect is earned , you three in particular have earned it over multiple years with your relentless efforts.


GP ..... call your shot.
 
GP said:
But still, the suspension for multiple rules violations...missing 10 games because of it...and inconsistencies in scouting reports is the three-legged stool I'm sitting upon.
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I'm normally a glass half empty guy but I see him missing 10 games in his senior year as a possible PLUS...because we may very well have gotten a guy in the third round that may have been rated right below the top 2-3 receivers in the draft otherwise.

Besides from what I read in one article his second suspension was due to 'overpayments' that came to abour $720 and accepting a free round of golf. So hardly an axe murderer.
 
GP said:
For someone who says we shouldn't over value "our guy" you sure boast a lot about nailing the Posey pick. LOL.

And from where I stand, you guys are not in the minority here on this issue. It's easily 85% pro and 15% con on the Posey pick. To say you guys have been on an island defending the pick is not accurate.
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GP, in all honesty are you talking today or when the pick was made? From where I was sitting all I can recall is weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth when the pick was announced. I'm pretty sure IRC. And it's still going on to some extent.
 
I didn't expect Posey to go that high, but also that I like the pick based on watching him play.

I said it Friday minutes after it happened that I LOVE his vertical game (twitter). When I saw us take him that's the first thing I thought of: His skills on deep balls and sure handedness in the clutch.

Hopefully, my positivity is justified. I think it will be.
 
76Texan said:
he can adjust his routes as he sees the throw or in instances where the QB was under pressure
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I agree, that was something i picked up on and really liked about him... He bailed the QB out a few times in the highlights i saw... By both leaving a route to get open and by adjusting as the ball was thrown..

IMO, Randall was overrated in the draft and Posey underrated... They're about the same, and i'd be cool with either... but from the little i've seen of Posey, and seeing Randall quite a bit, i'm happier with the Texans getting Posey and the additional pick...

We shall see...
 
GP said:
Missing 10 full games last year is the major gripe I have. It's offset by his prior production in what has been described as not a WR-friendly offense at OSU. But still, the suspension for multiple rules violations...missing 10 games because of it...and inconsistencies in scouting reports is the three-legged stool I'm sitting upon.

Overall, I can swallow my pride and watch him this summer knowing full well that he could be better than what I think he is. I welcome it because it means the Texans will be better as a result of it. Right now, I just have doubts.
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Respect.

None of us will know anything until the end of the summer. I expect him to look as lost as most rooks ... for most of the year.
 
drunkcookie said:
I agree, that was something i picked up on and really liked about him... He bailed the QB out a few times in the highlights i saw... By both leaving a route to get open and by adjusting as the ball was thrown..

IMO, Randall was overrated in the draft and Posey underrated... They're about the same, and i'd be cool with either... but from the little i've seen of Posey, and seeing Randall quite a bit, i'm happier with the Texans getting Posey and the additional pick...

We shall see...
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Who did the extra pick turn out to be? Crick right? Smithiak working the draft.
 
rmartin65 said:
As for calling the pick- congrats! I know how hard it is, especially later in the draft. Yaky gets mad props too. But I had a stretch of 3 years where my last published mock of the year had one player the Texans drafted in the round I had him predicted- Barwin, Holliday, Watt. By the way, could you link me to your mock? I would be interested in reading who else you had. I dont remember reading it, but there were so many mocks coming out before the draft that it could have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Thanks!
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I don't do mock like you guys because I never feel comfortable not watching enough game tapes. I know you guys are more comprehensive.

I normally just look at a few positions that the Texans need and learn about the prospects at that position.

2010 was my best as I rated CB as the number one need.
Then I listed 3 guys in order of preference: Jackson, McCourty, and Robinson.
Some of you guys had Kyle Wilson at the top.

Then even though I was among the very few who made the call on Arian Foster (I think he should have at least a third round grade) and also Slaton (I rated him in the third where he was picked); I also wanted Tate - and of course Tate was a solid 2nd rounder (in my slot).
I'm really proud of this pick because it completed a trifecta.
I don't think anybody on earth can call a trifecta at the same position like this; maybe there's another alien like me? LOL!

I also wanted Mitchell; I conservatively rated him a 4th rounder, but I knew he can be drafted in the third as an inside D-lineman that can penetrate.

So I got 3 guys I wanted pretty much in the slot I rated them.
Almost another trifecta on top of a trifecta.

How lucky was that?
 
76Texan said:
I don't do mock like you guys because I never feel comfortable not watching enough game tapes. I know you guys are more comprehensive.

I normally just look at a few positions that the Texans need and learn about the prospects at that position.

2010 was my best as I rated CB as the number one need.
Then I listed 3 guys in order of preference: Jackson, McCourty, and Robinson.
Some of you guys had Kyle Wilson at the top.

Then even though I was among the very few who made the call on Arian Foster (I think he should have at least a third round grade) and also Slaton (I rated him in the third where he was picked); I also wanted Tate - and of course Tate was a solid 2nd rounder (in my slot).
I'm really proud of this pick because it completed a trifecta.
I don't think anybody on earth can call a trifecta at the same position like this; maybe there's another alien like me? LOL!

I also wanted Mitchell; I conservatively rated him a 4th rounder, but I knew he can be drafted in the third as an inside D-lineman that can penetrate.

So I got 3 guys I wanted pretty much in the slot I rated them.
Almost another trifecta on top of a trifecta.

How lucky was that?
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Man, you crushed that draft.
 
drs23 said:
GP, in all honesty are you talking today or when the pick was made? From where I was sitting all I can recall is weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth when the pick was announced. I'm pretty sure IRC. And it's still going on to some extent.
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Coyotes. Interesting animals. At night, out in the country, you hear them yelping and howling...it sounds like there's 20 of them. But in fact, there's only 3 or 4. They throw their voice in ways that make it almost like yodeling...so it SOUNDS like there's more of them than there are.

Me and rmartin were the coyotes that draft day. Everyone else was telling us to hush and that we don't know anything, and then the name-calling...oh the name calling that was going on...it was awesome.

If anything, later that evening and the next few days afterward is when others starting souring on the pick and expressing it on the board. But when it happened? Everybody was parroting the scouting report that said he would've been ranked a 1st or 2nd rounder, has great 40 time, has great vertical skill, battles CBs, blah blah blah.

For every comment I made in that thread, there were 4 or 5 posters ragging me out for my comment. So, yeah...it was lopsided that day. It's OK, though...I'm built for punishment. My prefrontal cortex has six-pack abs.
 
GP said:
Me and rmartin were the coyotes that draft day. Everyone else was telling us to hush and that we don't know anything, and then the name-calling...oh the name calling that was going on...it was awesome.
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Who was doing the name calling ?! I havent seen it ..... maybe I have that person on ignore.
 
GP said:
Coyotes. Interesting animals. At night, out in the country, you hear them yelping and howling...it sounds like there's 20 of them. But in fact, there's only 3 or 4. They throw their voice in ways that make it almost like yodeling...so it SOUNDS like there's more of them than there are.

Me and rmartin were the coyotes that draft day. Everyone else was telling us to hush and that we don't know anything, and then the name-calling...oh the name calling that was going on...it was awesome.

If anything, later that evening and the next few days afterward is when others starting souring on the pick and expressing it on the board. But when it happened? Everybody was parroting the scouting report that said he would've been ranked a 1st or 2nd rounder, has great 40 time, has great vertical skill, battles CBs, blah blah blah.

For every comment I made in that thread, there were 4 or 5 posters ragging me out for my comment. So, yeah...it was lopsided that day. It's OK, though...I'm built for punishment. My prefrontal cortex has six-pack abs.
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WHAT, how dare you say that, you don't know what your talking about, LOL, just kidding GP. I have decided to no longer question the picks from smith and company due to the them hitting more often than missing and the obvious improvement of the team since they have taken over. They are hitting at a above average rate which is why they were in the playoffs last year and I think will do even better this year. I think we have a hell of a scouting department that is improving every year, I remember after Kubes first draft they fired a few of the scouting department, it's obvious they take this very seriously and a poor off season is by far the most important thing to building a strong team. I wanted the sexy picks, the TE or even Hill, but I am glad I ain't the one making the picks, now some of these other teams, I swear the average Joe on this message board would pick better than them. There really is some incompetent people running teams out their. I think the first group that started the Texans admitting that they only watched 4 games of the DB P-Burn they traded for was just so unprofessional and incredibly stupid. Every team misses once in a while ( Okoye ), but this staff is rocking it over all.
 
Corrosion said:
Most people's dislike of the Posey pick has nothing to do with his "character issues.


Its the fact that never did a single talking head mention him in the same sentence as Randall , Jeffery , Wright, Hill or Sanu.

Not a single person (outside myself) even mentioned him prior to the draft in the mock section. Everyone thinks its a reach but they dont realize the type of production he put up in the Big Ten's worst passing offense .... with a horrible QB.
When you take the numbers from the three games he played as Sr and translate them across the full season - those totals would have been greater than 50% of that teams entire passing offense. He put up those same numbers the two years prior too .....


People listen to the talking heads when they say he's scared to go across the middle .... they dont go look at film and see he made a living going across the middle and up the seams .... when he wasnt blowing past DB's on the outside and took some big hits in the process.


Everyone wanted Wright , Randall or Hill .... wont it be a shock when he is better than all of the above ?
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Thanks for giving me a comfort level. LOL, Posey and Randalls college careers kind of mirror each other. Very talented guys whose QB's were athletic, but couldn't hit the broad side of a barn throwing the ball and would take off running instead of stepping up in the pocket and delivering the ball.

What makes me worry about Posey was his tendency to drop the ball at the Sr. Bowl. He could've just been rusty from not playing much. Posey has the Talent to be a #1 someday. It's a matter of how much work he wants to put in. At this point he's like a young Reggie Wayne.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for giving me a comfort level. LOL, Posey and Randalls college careers kind of mirror each other. Very talented guys whose QB's were athletic, but couldn't hit the broad side of a barn throwing the ball and would take off running instead of stepping up in the pocket and delivering the ball.

What makes me worry about Posey was his tendency to drop the ball at the Sr. Bowl. He could've just been rusty from not playing much. Posey has the Talent to be a #1 someday. It's a matter of how much work he wants to put in. At this point he's like a young Reggie Wayne.
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Posey ran his 10 yd split in 1.45 while Randle was 1.52 and Sanu was 1.59 . I bet Martin was quick also and that's what the Texans prefer .
 
Corrosion said:
Who was doing the name calling ?! I havent seen it ..... maybe I have that person on ignore.
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I'd rather not name names. It's not worth the time. It's posters who have a rich tradition of getting overly personal on even the most trivial of conversations.

You're not one of them, obviously, and it wasn't any of the posters you and I have most conversations with.
 
So, is everybody getting more onboard with this pick yet?

1. He wasn't going to last till the 5th or 6th. Anyone who thinks that is dreaming. Hell, the Sporting News had him as 2nd/3rd round. If it was a "reach", it wasn't much of one.

2. 40 times - As already mentioned, the individual teams had him from 4.37 -4.48. He's plenty fast enough, the pros is more about route running anyway.

3. Character issues - A) He sold HIS memorabilia - I guess it isn't really yours until you graduate? :rolleyes: B) His job that paid more than it should - I always remember Robbie Benson in One-on-One with his job to water the field...that had automatic sprinklers. This wink, wink stuff never surprises me and it's hard to hold it against the player. I see nothing to suggest he's a thug.
 
disaacks3 said:
So, is everybody getting more onboard with this pick yet?

1. He wasn't going to last till the 5th or 6th. Anyone who thinks that is dreaming. Hell, the Sporting News had him as 2nd/3rd round. If it was a "reach", it wasn't much of one.

2. 40 times - As already mentioned, the individual teams had him from 4.37 -4.48. He's plenty fast enough, the pros is more about route running anyway.

3. Character issues - A) He sold HIS memorabilia - I guess it isn't really yours until you graduate? :rolleyes: B) His job that paid more than it should - I always remember Robbie Benson in One-on-One with his job to water the field...that had automatic sprinklers. This wink, wink stuff never surprises me and it's hard to hold it against the player. I see nothing to suggest he's a thug.
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Sigh....

Well, I guess so.

It was just more fun to gripe about it. :foottap:
 
disaacks3 said:
So, is everybody getting more onboard with this pick yet?
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I didn't love the pick when it was made because this was not one of the guys on my radar. I thought GP was over-reacting to it but I don't think I called him names about it. :) The more I've learned about this kid, his circumstances, his stats, his measurables, his abilities, the more I like him.


I've heard some people say that he's only got the talent to be -- at best -- a #2 receiver but I'm with SteelB in thinking he's more talented than that. And what I've seen of his video makes me think he's got the potential to have better hands than he displayed at the Senior Bowl. I think we might have hit a home run with this guy.

But we've got to see him in a Texans Uni running our system before we'll know for sure. What worries me most is that WRs generally take a few years to mature in the NFL. I'm afraid he won't have the instant impact we're all wanting.
 
The reason most of us figured Posey was off Texan board were character & off field issues. So Texans investigated character/background & came away satisfied with the person/player.

WR is tough to evaluate but Posey is superior to Randle or Sanu in his ability to separate in man coverage & create windows to target (combination of size/speed equal). I looked at all other available WR prospects with that pick & subject to clean character it's not out of question for Texan system & need, that Posey was BPA. So that is where they had him graded on their draft board.
 
Goldensilence said:
I think some of the blacklash or mistrust for the pick resides in he wasn't in mention with the other second tier WRs in the draft like Hill, Randle, or Sanu. What makes them all kind of strange is none of them come from notable passing teams really. Theres also conflicting reports of what his 40 time really is. Fair or not as well, there is speculation he could've dropped much further than where we picked him. So there's a question of value.

Part of it is no matter how you feel about it, he was right in the middle of the scandal that cost Jim Tressel his job and missed large parts of his senior year. This makes him hard to evaluate because you're forced to really depend on what he did his junior season.
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Repost for WHY people seem an edge for getting Posey where we did. Of course, its pretty much impossible to say if he would've lasted until our next pick at this point. I will say this, if he was THEIR guy without question, at least they went ahead with it.

At this point to me, its over, it doesn't matter. He's a Texan now and I'll be cheering for this guy to succeed.

I do have to weigh in on the Gerhart Vs Tate debate, as I called for Tate. I don't think Gerhart would have been as successful here as Tate. I just don't think he has the same explosion through the hole as Tate does. Prior to losing Hutch I think Minnesota had just as good a line as we do too.

I'd also point out this first year 3 lost fumbles on 81 carries his first year. Same knock some of us pointed out his tendency to fumble the ball. He did manage to secure the ball much better last year not fumbling once, but it's got to be in the back of your head.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I didn't love the pick when it was made because this was not one of the guys on my radar. I thought GP was over-reacting to it but I don't think I called him names about it. :) The more I've learned about this kid, his circumstances, his stats, his measurables, his abilities, the more I like him.


I've heard some people say that he's only got the talent to be -- at best -- a #2 receiver but I'm with SteelB in thinking he's more talented than that. And what I've seen of his video makes me think he's got the potential to have better hands than he displayed at the Senior Bowl. I think we might have hit a home run with this guy.

But we've got to see him in a Texans Uni running our system before we'll know for sure. What worries me most is that WRs generally take a few years to mature in the NFL. I'm afraid he won't have the instant impact we're all wanting.
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beerlover said:
The reason most of us figured Posey was off Texan board were character & off field issues. So Texans investigated character/background & came away satisfied with the person/player.

WR is tough to evaluate but Posey is superior to Randle or Sanu in his ability to separate in man coverage & create windows to target (combination of size/speed equal). I looked at all other available WR prospects with that pick & subject to clean character it's not out of question for Texan system & need, that Posey was BPA. So that is where they had him graded on their draft board.
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The problem is perception is reality . The talk has been about Randle and Sanu for awhile now so folks presume they are the chosen ones . My view is there wasn't a sure fire stud WR in the draft . Blackmon isn't an elite prospect IMO and he is the best ? There were about 10 guys who were about the same so you try to project their talents to the next level .


To be continued it's lunch
 
GP said:
Coyotes. Interesting animals. At night, out in the country, you hear them yelping and howling...it sounds like there's 20 of them. But in fact, there's only 3 or 4. They throw their voice in ways that make it almost like yodeling...so it SOUNDS like there's more of them than there are.

Me and rmartin were the coyotes that draft day. Everyone else was telling us to hush and that we don't know anything, and then the name-calling...oh the name calling that was going on...it was awesome.

If anything, later that evening and the next few days afterward is when others starting souring on the pick and expressing it on the board. But when it happened? Everybody was parroting the scouting report that said he would've been ranked a 1st or 2nd rounder, has great 40 time, has great vertical skill, battles CBs, blah blah blah.

For every comment I made in that thread, there were 4 or 5 posters ragging me out for my comment. So, yeah...it was lopsided that day. It's OK, though...I'm built for punishment. My prefrontal cortex has six-pack abs.
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Well, maybe people wouldn't "punish" you so bad if you'd stop pulling all these conspiracy theories out of your a$$.

Do you still think they "wanted Randle all along, but got cute and traded down, thinking they'd still get him in the third, and had to settle for Posey when Randle got taken"?????

:fingergun::D
 
I'll post this in here as well, since it's relevant:

The Sideline View ‏ @SidelineFB Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Spoke w/ teams post-draft and found out Konz slipped due to heart issue, J. Brown for positive test and Rueben Randle due to laziness & knee
 
Playoffs said:
I'll post this in here as well, since it's relevant:

The Sideline View ‏ @SidelineFB Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Spoke w/ teams post-draft and found out Konz slipped due to heart issue, J. Brown for positive test and Rueben Randle due to laziness & knee
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I believe it was Randle I heard that slept through several meetings.
 
GP said:
For every comment I made in that thread, there were 4 or 5 posters ragging me out for my comment. So, yeah...it was lopsided that day. It's OK, though...I'm built for punishment. My prefrontal cortex has six-pack abs.
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The Pencil Neck said:
I didn't love the pick when it was made because this was not one of the guys on my radar. I thought GP was over-reacting to it but I don't think I called him names about it. :) The more I've learned about this kid, his circumstances, his stats, his measurables, his abilities, the more I like him.


I've heard some people say that he's only got the talent to be -- at best -- a #2 receiver but I'm with SteelB in thinking he's more talented than that. And what I've seen of his video makes me think he's got the potential to have better hands than he displayed at the Senior Bowl. I think we might have hit a home run with this guy.

But we've got to see him in a Texans Uni running our system before we'll know for sure. What worries me most is that WRs generally take a few years to mature in the NFL. I'm afraid he won't have the instant impact we're all wanting.
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Nah, you were taking me to task but never got involved in the name-calling.

My over-reaction was due to trading down out of the 2nd round AND the things I read and saw a about Posey. It was a combination of things.
 
My wife went to Ohio State, and she's an absolute OSU football fanatic, so I've seen pretty much every Ohio State game in the last 4 years and have even been to a few. I'm not a scout, or any kind of expert on how college talent translates to NFL, but I like Posey. When you have a Vince Young clone throwing the ball to you, and you still put up the kind of numbers he did, you have to be doing something right. The fact that he broke some retarded NCAA rule doesn't bother me at all, especially knowing more details about the circumstances now. Just my 2 cents.
 
Goldensilence said:
I'd also point out this first year 3 lost fumbles on 81 carries his first year. Same knock some of us pointed out his tendency to fumble the ball. He did manage to secure the ball much better last year not fumbling once, but it's got to be in the back of your head.
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If you are talking about what was said in the mock forums on Gerhart - That was me who first made that point pre-draft and one of the many back & forth issues I had with Rmartin that draft season.


I could probably dig up the conversation if you like ....

Im happy with Foster , Tate and the trade back on that pick too .... forget what they got for trading back ....
 
GP said:
I'd rather not name names. It's not worth the time. It's posters who have a rich tradition of getting overly personal on even the most trivial of conversations.

You're not one of them, obviously, and it wasn't any of the posters you and I have most conversations with.
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Bleh , if someone is breaking the forum rules .... get them put in timeout with Dex.
 
I am still a little surprised that the Texans drafted Posey with 'character' concerns. I guess the taste of winning is chipping away at their apprehensions.

Just make sure we dont become a win at all costs team like a Fisher led team, or Bengals team.
 
Blake said:
I am still a little surprised that the Texans drafted Posey with 'character' concerns. I guess the taste of winning is chipping away at their apprehensions.

Just make sure we dont become a win at all costs team like a Fisher led team, or Bengals team.
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He doesn't have character concerns. I wish people would stop trying to paint him that color. The NCAA is just a giant douche organization
 
Brandon420tx said:
He doesn't have character concerns. I wish people would stop trying to paint him that color. The NCAA is just a giant douche organization
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Yes he does. He took excess money for a job, received improper benefits and sold memorabilia, all NCAA violation.

It doesnt matter if you agree with it or not. All are violations. I could steal food to feed my starving family. Doesnt mean I didnt do anything wrong.
 
NCAA violations, for a documented union job, and selling his own stuff, big friggen deal. That's like saying players who get fined for wearing the wrong colored socks or Brian Urlacher for sporting Vitamin Water gear have character issues.
 
Brandon420tx said:
NCAA violations, for a documented union job, and selling his own stuff, big friggen deal. That's like saying players who get fined for wearing the wrong colored socks or Brian Urlacher for sporting Vitamin Water gear have character issues.
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Rationalize it however you want. Doesnt change the facts that Posey thought he could break the rules and get away with it.
 
Blake said:
Yes he does. He took excess money for a job, received improper benefits and sold memorabilia, all NCAA violation.

It doesnt matter if you agree with it or not. All are violations. I could steal food to feed my starving family. Doesnt mean I didnt do anything wrong.
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But you would be stealing. That is against the law.

He sold his own possessions. He worked a Union job - he had to get paid Union wages. Neither is illegal. Only against the antiquated NCAA rules.

Wrong - yes. Character issue - no way.
 
Grams said:
But you would be stealing. That is against the law.

He sold his own possessions. He worked a Union job - he had to get paid Union wages. Neither is illegal. Only against the antiquated NCAA rules.

Wrong - yes. Character issue - no way.
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Thank you.

I'm not "rationalizing" anything. I do not see any "Character Issues" when it comes to this kid, and I don't even have an opinion for this kid yet. I just find it annoying that he's being labeled as a character concern for stupid stuff. I'm more concerned with his lack of playtime last season but he's reportedly kept in football shape during his off time, so again, I'm neutral on this kid.

Hell, the receiver who "does" have character concerns is Dwight Jones, and I still want to see what he can do for this team come offseason.
 
I guess we will see it differently. It just seems that some are willing to overlook his mistakes due to the logo on his helmet.

Maybe getting him away from OSU and Columbus will straighten him out. No offense Yankee but OSU harbor's this type of behavior. From Clarette to Pryor. Tressel has really jacked up the program with his win at all costs scheme.
 
Blake said:
It just seems that some are willing to overlook his mistakes due to the logo on his helmet.
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No one is overlooking Posey's mistakes, most of us just honestly do not give a damn... Big difference...

If he were busted a few times in college for smokin' some reefer, then i'd care a little more...not because i'm Mr. Anti-Pot, hell i want it to be legalized and i don't even smoke it (another topic for another board), but continuing to smoke the reef while in the NFL can get you suspended... That effects the team...

He will be making quite a bit of money legally, and the NFL's policy encourages it...
 
Blake said:
I guess we will see it differently. It just seems that some are willing to overlook his mistakes due to the logo on his helmet.

Maybe getting him away from OSU and Columbus will straighten him out. No offense Yankee but OSU harbor's this type of behavior. From Clarette to Pryor. Tressel has really jacked up the program with his win at all costs scheme.
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ALL schools, including Ohio State and Penn State, play to win at all costs. That's a part of the twisted world of college athletics. If you think differently about Penn State or any other school, you're probably wrong. It always cracks me up when one school gets caught, the fans of their rivals start pointing fingers, all the while they're school is doing the same thing or worse.
 
Blake said:
I guess we will see it differently. It just seems that some are willing to overlook his mistakes due to the logo on his helmet.

Maybe getting him away from OSU and Columbus will straighten him out. No offense Yankee but OSU harbor's this type of behavior. From Clarette to Pryor. Tressel has really jacked up the program with his win at all costs scheme.
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This has nothing to do with the logo on his helmet.

There's a whole different class of "wrong" between being a thug and a poison in the locker room vs. doing things you should be able to do. When the rules themselves are wrong, we should all be outlaws.

Now, I understand why the NCAA has these rules in place because there are ways that players could get paid by people breaking the rules. But the NCAA needs to do a better job of figuring out if someone's trying to make a lot of money by working the system or whether they're just trying to make ends meet.

IIRC, Arian was pissed off about this whole thing and called the NCAA out on it long before Posey was drafted.

So, no. I don't think this kid has character concerns.
 
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