1 good S, 1 decent backup S, a nickle CB.
I wouldn't say Rick has done a good job of picking CB's.
Afterall he did give us the most pro ready CB in the daft. (KJ's great)
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3rd Round DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
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1 good S, 1 decent backup S, a nickle CB.
I wouldn't say Rick has done a good job of picking CB's.
Afterall he did give us the most pro ready CB in the daft. (KJ's great)
Dutchrudder
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I was reading some Browns forums, and several people were upset that the Browns traded back from 67 to 87 and picked up 120. The reason being that the Texans took Posey at 68. He's an Ohio guy, and people always like to get local players, but the big complaint was that he was seriously underrated due to the suspension. I'm hoping Kubiak is right about this kid, he may become our #2.
drunkcookie
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http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/28/tim-may-says-devier-posey-is-a-good-guy/
Columbus [Ohio] Dispatchs Tim May on Devier Posey:
Columbus [Ohio] Dispatchs Tim May on Devier Posey:
Humble, soft spoken, intelligent
One of my favorites I've ever covered at Ohio State since 1984
Nailed by NCAA for playing 5 holes of golf
His lawyer proved Posey worked the hours NCAA said he didn't
A lot of Ohio State players got the illegal free tattoos
Had 3 drops everyone remembers
Can stretch a defense, goes over the middle, runs great routes
Doesn't sound so evil after all. One of my favorites I've ever covered at Ohio State since 1984
Nailed by NCAA for playing 5 holes of golf
His lawyer proved Posey worked the hours NCAA said he didn't
A lot of Ohio State players got the illegal free tattoos
Had 3 drops everyone remembers
Can stretch a defense, goes over the middle, runs great routes
The Pencil Neck
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http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/28/tim-may-says-devier-posey-is-a-good-guy/
Columbus [Ohio] Dispatchs Tim May on Devier Posey:
Humble, soft spoken, intelligentDoesn't sound so evil after all.
One of my favorites I've ever covered at Ohio State since 1984
Nailed by NCAA for playing 5 holes of golf
His lawyer proved Posey worked the hours NCAA said he didn't
A lot of Ohio State players got the illegal free tattoos
Had 3 drops everyone remembers
Can stretch a defense, goes over the middle, runs great routes
Oops. I posted a link to this in its own thread. He also talks about Martin and what a great couple of WRs we got.
Grams
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Quinn was a 4th round pick, McCain was a 6th round and Nolan was a 7th round pick.
Not one of them are high round whiffs.
Bong just types stuff. His memory appears to be a little fuzzy. He does no research.
But I bet he eats well. LOL
b0ng's sarcasm may be too subtle.
kiwitexansfan
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I think Posey enters the season as WR3. Walter is just to Texany to lose his spot, especially after taking his pay cut.
Walter is just too good in the run game to lose his spot .... They use him to chip DE's and OLB's when he comes in motion quite often.
He may not be the fastest or biggest .... But I saw a stat somewhere a while back that he lead the NFL in percentage of catches to targets in 2010 with something rediculous like 71%. I found that a bit shocking ..... He wasnt as good last year but he also had Yates instead of Schaub for a big chunk of the season.
TejasTom
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From the
Battle Red Blog about half way down. I heard some of this same info on the radio.
"Posey was 3rd highest-ranked WR high school prospect in the country in 2008, right behind Julio Jones and AJ Green.
Pretty good company. His college career was going good (10.6 YPC in 2008, 13.8 YPC in 2009, 16.0 YPC in 2010) until the suspension in 2011. To put it in perspective, Julio Jones averaged less in 2010 (14.5 YPC in 2010), the year before he was drafted in the 1st round. AJ Green averaged less too (14.9 YPC) in 2010. This guy would have probably gone 1st round this draft if he had played."
Battle Red Blog about half way down. I heard some of this same info on the radio.
"Posey was 3rd highest-ranked WR high school prospect in the country in 2008, right behind Julio Jones and AJ Green.
Pretty good company. His college career was going good (10.6 YPC in 2008, 13.8 YPC in 2009, 16.0 YPC in 2010) until the suspension in 2011. To put it in perspective, Julio Jones averaged less in 2010 (14.5 YPC in 2010), the year before he was drafted in the 1st round. AJ Green averaged less too (14.9 YPC) in 2010. This guy would have probably gone 1st round this draft if he had played."
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The Pencil Neck
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I don't know if Walter loses his spot but he shouldnt keep it based on his run blocking. He's a receiver.
The ideal role for Walter, IMO, would be as a short yardage slot receiver. Good hands, tough and like you said can run block if needed.
But I doubt they ask Walter to take a pay cut if they saw him as the for sure #2. They probably would have cut him if he refused.
The Pencil Neck
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Yep. They have to expect him to be a situational player after this.
I think they expect Posey and Martin to be seeing the field. A lot.
I wonder if he got performance incentives built into the contract. Walter didn't do a lot as a receiver last year but he knows this offense and he performs a lot of functions in it. He's just reaching the end of his effective shelf-life and for a 7th round pick in 2003, he's had a heckuva career.
GP
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One thing that IS good, unlike this new Jones kid who runs his mouth, is that the things Posey has said thus far...it sounds like he's learned and that he's ready to be for real.
This Jones kid, I swear, was Smith and Kubiak giving us a decoy to get off of Posey for awhile. He makes Posey look like Merlin Olsen.
Goldensilence
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The ideal Role for Walter is #3. He's a great possession receiver and is pretty large for a slot guy.His game is suited for a #3: great hands, isn't afraid to go over the middle, blocks in the run game, and knows where he is on the field.
I think drafting a guy like Posey is an indication of what this staff thinks of AJ and how much he has left in the tank as an elite WR. IMO if they drafted a guy like Hill or Randle, to me at least, its a good indication of not long as both physically have high ceilings. Posey strikes me a as developing into a good #2, but not #1.
kiwitexansfan
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TejasTom
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It is still unclear to me if got a free tattoo. In all the reports I could find they lump the 5 players together and say they received free or discounted tattoos and cash for memorbilia.
In an interview on 610, Posey said he sold his ring to keep his mother's electricity from being disconnected. I didn't hear the entire segment so I don't know if they asked him about tattoos.
Did anyone else hear Posey discuss the tattoos?
Yankee_In_TX
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He was a part of tattoogate. That was suspension one. Suspension 2 was for being overpaid while working for a booster. The story on the street is that he was not overpaid, they had proof and the NCAA screwed him.
They we giving jerseys, autographs, etc. to a guy who owned a tattoo shop who was being investigated by the FBI for drugs. They also sold rings and gold pants - don't know who the buyers were. NCAA said you can't sell that stuff even though it is yours.
Guys gets popped, his attorney tells Tressel that the guys has info on player, Tressel lies, and the rest is history.
http://sportsbybrooks.com/tag/Devier_Posey_Tattoo
TejasTom
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The pic of him getting a tattoo from Rife clears that up, thanks.
I am confused by some of you guys talking about Posey having character issues? He first got suspended selling his ring and gold pants pendant thing for money to help out his mom and some tattoos. Yes NCAA is retarded (see Arian's rant on NCAA, he touches on this) and does not allow student athletes to sell their own property so in that respect, Posey did wrong, but I would hardly count that as any sort of "character issues." It's not as if he stole the stuff and then sold it or did drugs or endangered anyone's lives. He simply sold HIS jewelery. As for his 2nd suspension, that was just bogus. He got paid more because that was what the dude had to pay all his workers due to some union policy. He even provided the proper paperwork to the NCAA and they simply did not care. Again, this has nothing to do with any character issues at all, just honest financial needs. If that is all we have to worry about, once he signs his first rookie contract, he won't have to worry about any of that anymore.
Just touching back, but come on guys, there are a LOT WORSE off field behavior problems that would concern me far more than what this guy had done, which in all honesty, was nothing bad.
Just touching back, but come on guys, there are a LOT WORSE off field behavior problems that would concern me far more than what this guy had done, which in all honesty, was nothing bad.
GP
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Did Posey help Daryl Morey steal your dog ?
I think Morey made the Posey pick now that you bring it up. Reeks of a Morey selection.
That's the part that really chaps my hide. How the hell can the tell me I can't sell what legally belongs to me. That frikkin' smacks of slavery.
agree 100%, It's like whooo, we are drafting a man who tried to do extra and got a good job, Sounds to me that is exactly the type of person I want, not the opposite.
Most people's dislike of the Posey pick has nothing to do with his "character issues.
Its the fact that never did a single talking head mention him in the same sentence as Randall , Jeffery , Wright, Hill or Sanu.
Not a single person (outside myself) even mentioned him prior to the draft in the mock section. Everyone thinks its a reach but they dont realize the type of production he put up in the Big Ten's worst passing offense .... with a horrible QB.
When you take the numbers from the three games he played as Sr and translate them across the full season - those totals would have been greater than 50% of that teams entire passing offense. He put up those same numbers the two years prior too .....
People listen to the talking heads when they say he's scared to go across the middle .... they dont go look at film and see he made a living going across the middle and up the seams .... when he wasnt blowing past DB's on the outside and took some big hits in the process.
Everyone wanted Wright , Randall or Hill .... wont it be a shock when he is better than all of the above ?
speedfreek
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What we really need is for Posey, a 'budding' star early in his college career, to 'blossom' into a legit #2 WR, and then stay 'rooted' in that position.
Kubiak has planted the 'seed', now let's just hope he doesn't 'soil' himself..
Nyuk.. nyuk..
TJ
Kubiak has planted the 'seed', now let's just hope he doesn't 'soil' himself..
Nyuk.. nyuk..
TJ
I understand that. I am confused however by people talking about him having character issues due to his suspensions when they had nothing to do with "character."
OK, so I have gone back and reviewed his first 6 games in the 2010 season and the 3 games he played last year; I like him a lot.
In the 3 games in 2011 alone, he could have had at least 6 more receptions (3 TDs), and about 150-200 yards if the QB was a little better (all I ask for is the combination of LSU QBs).
There was one blemish in 2011.
He did commit a fumble when he didn't secure the ball while working to gain more yards after the catch. The CB recovered and poked a hand in to jar the ball loose after Posey had taken several steps.
Posey's measurables are better than Rueben Randle pretty much across the board. From his 40 speed, to the 10-yd split, vertical, broad jump, SS, to the 3-cone.
Randle is a little more than an inch taller, and has better arm length; however, Posey makes up for those two factors with much better jumping ability and his wingspan (Randle probably has a narrower frame, or perhaps one of his arms is shorter than the other one - this is a medical fact about the human body.)
Posey hands' are slighty bigger than Randle's.
In the 3 games in 2011 alone, he could have had at least 6 more receptions (3 TDs), and about 150-200 yards if the QB was a little better (all I ask for is the combination of LSU QBs).
There was one blemish in 2011.
He did commit a fumble when he didn't secure the ball while working to gain more yards after the catch. The CB recovered and poked a hand in to jar the ball loose after Posey had taken several steps.
Posey's measurables are better than Rueben Randle pretty much across the board. From his 40 speed, to the 10-yd split, vertical, broad jump, SS, to the 3-cone.
Randle is a little more than an inch taller, and has better arm length; however, Posey makes up for those two factors with much better jumping ability and his wingspan (Randle probably has a narrower frame, or perhaps one of his arms is shorter than the other one - this is a medical fact about the human body.)
Posey hands' are slighty bigger than Randle's.
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The Pencil Neck
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There are so many athletes who are self-destructive and think that the rules don't apply to them. And some people think that Posey's breaking the rules could reflect exactly that sort of fault. They're saying he should have known the rules and he should have known better than to violate them.
I'm not one of those guys but that's their argument. It has merit. I just don't think that it applies to this kid in this situation.
In the second suspension, I think he really feels that he didn't break any rules.
I don't think this kid has any character issues. The more I see about this pick, the more I like it. I hope he steps up and outperforms everyone's expectations.
In the early part of the 2010 season, Posey was already a good route runner.
His production would have been a whole lot better had he played on an offense like Okl. St. or Baylor.
He shows the ability to get seperation at the top of the route as he goes in and out of the break smoothly.
He can drive the CB downfield with good acceleration and then make a clean break to either side, or come back smoothly, leaving a big gap between him and the defender. (Deep-Ins, deep outs, comebackers, hitches.)
He has a good double move that he uses to his advantage on the corner, post and post-corner routes.
He runs an effective fade route in the red zone.
He leaves enough room along the side-line to help his QB; he can adjust his routes as he sees the throw or in instances where the QB was under pressure, and he knows when to play defensive football to prevent an INT.
In those first 6 games of the 2010 season, I did see him drop a ball; it was a short stop route where he was wide open; he just took his eyes off the ball looking to make a football move a bit too soon.
On a slant route, he didn't catch a "hot" ball ("too hot" was the term used by the commentator).
Again, he was wide-open; he probably expected the QB to take a little off the ball as there was no need to drive it.
He's a good college blocker.
He was instrumental in the 2 TD runs (and others) in the 3 games he played in 2011.
Yes, he does need to play until the whistle blow and he needs to actively engage his block better; but those are the things common at the collegiate level (heck, even in the pros - ie., all the Texans receivers and TEs in the early part of their career.)
I did see Posey engage in some heated battles with the CBs and safeties.
He will be fine.
I don't see the comparison with Gaffney in the middle in any of the 9 games I've watched so far; Posey can go inside.
His production would have been a whole lot better had he played on an offense like Okl. St. or Baylor.
He shows the ability to get seperation at the top of the route as he goes in and out of the break smoothly.
He can drive the CB downfield with good acceleration and then make a clean break to either side, or come back smoothly, leaving a big gap between him and the defender. (Deep-Ins, deep outs, comebackers, hitches.)
He has a good double move that he uses to his advantage on the corner, post and post-corner routes.
He runs an effective fade route in the red zone.
He leaves enough room along the side-line to help his QB; he can adjust his routes as he sees the throw or in instances where the QB was under pressure, and he knows when to play defensive football to prevent an INT.
In those first 6 games of the 2010 season, I did see him drop a ball; it was a short stop route where he was wide open; he just took his eyes off the ball looking to make a football move a bit too soon.
On a slant route, he didn't catch a "hot" ball ("too hot" was the term used by the commentator).
Again, he was wide-open; he probably expected the QB to take a little off the ball as there was no need to drive it.
He's a good college blocker.
He was instrumental in the 2 TD runs (and others) in the 3 games he played in 2011.
Yes, he does need to play until the whistle blow and he needs to actively engage his block better; but those are the things common at the collegiate level (heck, even in the pros - ie., all the Texans receivers and TEs in the early part of their career.)
I did see Posey engage in some heated battles with the CBs and safeties.
He will be fine.
I don't see the comparison with Gaffney in the middle in any of the 9 games I've watched so far; Posey can go inside.
Yankee_In_TX
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...and since this thread is still going strong Posey put up those numbers with Pryor as QB..... Imagine what he can do with an NFL QB?
Goldensilence
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I think some of the blacklash or mistrust for the pick resides in he wasn't in mention with the other second tier WRs in the draft like Hill, Randle, or Sanu. What makes them all kind of strange is none of them come from notable passing teams really. Theres also conflicting reports of what his 40 time really is. Fair or not as well, there is speculation he could've dropped much further than where we picked him. So there's a question of value.
Part of it is no matter how you feel about it, he was right in the middle of the scandal that cost Jim Tressel his job and missed large parts of his senior year. This makes him hard to evaluate because you're forced to really depend on what he did his junior season.
Part of it is no matter how you feel about it, he was right in the middle of the scandal that cost Jim Tressel his job and missed large parts of his senior year. This makes him hard to evaluate because you're forced to really depend on what he did his junior season.
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Señor Stan
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Given what I have read about his pro day, I don't think he would have lasted until the Texans next pick.
Heck AJ Jenkins went in Round 1.
Quick went as the top pick in Round 2.
Then guys that a lot of us had on our lists went waaay later than we thought...
Nick Toon - Late 4th
Marvin Jones - Late 5th
Juron Criner - Late 5th
Tommy Streeter - Late 5th
Marvin McNutt - Late 6th
Heck AJ Jenkins went in Round 1.
Quick went as the top pick in Round 2.
Then guys that a lot of us had on our lists went waaay later than we thought...
Nick Toon - Late 4th
Marvin Jones - Late 5th
Juron Criner - Late 5th
Tommy Streeter - Late 5th
Marvin McNutt - Late 6th
The Pencil Neck
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Señor Stan;1948243 said:
And this is what I've been saying. A lot of these guys that we would have been pleased to get in the 2nd or 3rd because that's where we'd seen them mocked, were not ranked that highly by ANY of the teams. That means there's probably something on these guys that we, the public, didn't know or take into account.
Last night, I threw together some numbers and the Pundits (talking Walterfootball, CBS Draft, etc.) usually have most of the guys who are going to be drafted but in a different order than they're drafted. The PRODUCTION of the guys that are drafted generally line up with the way they're drafted. In other words, normally the higher the pick, the more they produce although there are a few outliers. (Like Sanzenbacher last year who went undrafted and had a little production, the pundits had him being drafted late but he wasn't drafted at all.) And that means that the way the teams rank these guys is probably closer to "reality" than the way the pundits rank them. (Although, it might just mean that earlier picks are given more opportunities because of their draft status.)
It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out this year.
Great stuff. 76T!
Repped.
At least I dont feel like Im on an island defending this pick anymore ..... Me and 76 will take our lumps and laugh when the pindits eat crow.
I sure didnt get much credit for nailing the pick - Posey in the 3rd.
GP
Go Texans!
For someone who says we shouldn't over value "our guy" you sure boast a lot about nailing the Posey pick. LOL.
And from where I stand, you guys are not in the minority here on this issue. It's easily 85% pro and 15% con on the Posey pick. To say you guys have been on an island defending the pick is not accurate.
GP
Go Texans!
Or...maybe the Posey pick by Houston started the run on WRs?????
Happens all the time. Teams are drafting for need and WRs are deep and plentiful, so teams naturally held off as long as they could before starting the run on WRs.
Not saying it's true, but saying it's really, really plausible.
I never said Posey was "Our Guy" .... but it has been pointed out that his measurables were better than those of Randall .... who many wanted to take in the first round.
As for my statement of not getting much credit for calling the pick .... There was only one other person mock or otherwise who nailed a pick .... and that was Yaky calling the 6th round pick of Mondek.
As for the general concensus , I feel like most dont like the pick .... especially those who actively participate in the draft forums. Infact , not a single one of them mentioned Posey .... when I mentioned him , it was met with opposition.
Rmartin , Badboy , You and SteelBlue all disapprove .....
But hey , I nailed the Ben Tate pick year before last too .... while the vast majority were calling for Gerhart ..... who's laughing now ?! .....Best 1-2 RB combo in the entire NFL.
I must admit , I have an advantage ....
Its not so difficult to call a #1 .... but a 3 ? Thats impressive and a #6 is downright clairvoyant.
Props Yaky ....
I still think Gerhart would have as much, if not more, success behind our line as Tate has. And that is nothing against Tate. I think a large, large part of our RBs success is the system we have installed. It is very reminiscent of the 90s Broncos were it was very much a plug and chug type of deal.
As for calling the pick- congrats! I know how hard it is, especially later in the draft. Yaky gets mad props too. But I had a stretch of 3 years where my last published mock of the year had one player the Texans drafted in the round I had him predicted- Barwin, Holliday, Watt. By the way, could you link me to your mock? I would be interested in reading who else you had. I dont remember reading it, but there were so many mocks coming out before the draft that it could have gotten lost in the shuffle.
Thanks!