Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I'm starting to think they traded out of the second because if they grabbed Posey and left Randle on the board, people would think the cheese slipped off of thier crackers.
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3rd Round DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
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Porky
Hall of Fame
Meh. Seems like a guy we could have gotten in the 4th if they really liked him. No way of knowing of course. I may have seen him once or twice as a Jr, but he didn't stand out to me. Seems like a potential KW eventual replacement to me at best, and maybe a 4th type depth guy at worst. A lot of the same type of attributes as KW..
Where I do think he maybe could shine early on is as a red zone threat. Looking at his highlights, I really like the way he battles the DB's, tracks the ball, and he looked to have really, really good body control. Those are all attributes I am looking for as a Red Zone threat.
I'm ok with the pick but far from doing cartwheels, although I would have taken Sanu myself. Again, what do I know. I'll give it a C+ because I like his RZ potential, but if you are asking me if he is a real difference maker or if we just drafted or Andre Johnson replacement I highly doubt it. Decent depth pick though so I'm not throwing anything thru the TV.
Where I do think he maybe could shine early on is as a red zone threat. Looking at his highlights, I really like the way he battles the DB's, tracks the ball, and he looked to have really, really good body control. Those are all attributes I am looking for as a Red Zone threat.
I'm ok with the pick but far from doing cartwheels, although I would have taken Sanu myself. Again, what do I know. I'll give it a C+ because I like his RZ potential, but if you are asking me if he is a real difference maker or if we just drafted or Andre Johnson replacement I highly doubt it. Decent depth pick though so I'm not throwing anything thru the TV.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Something that I think gets over-looked and undervauled is his ability as a blocker. You don't play wide out at OSU without being an able and willing blocker.
ItsMyFault
It's on me.
Let him actually take the field and play before you prematurely judge him based on this collegiate stats. He never had a pure QB in tOSU that threw to him. I'm going to reserve judgement on him until I see him play.
^^^^
This
Posey looked not very good at the Sr.Bowl. Lots of drops even during the practices. Hopefully Posey is better than Jacoby game 1.
Maybe he was rusty from not playing much last yr due to the suspension.
I would've taken Chids or Givens. But I'm going to trust that Gary knows what he's doing.
Yeah, that seems to be something that's slipping a few people's minds . . . that he played at a major university.
Let's see. What college did Jacoby (blow a playoff game all by himself) Jones play?
GP
Go Texans!
Not me. My issues with him:
1. Possession type WR. We got that in KW.
2. Bobbles catches. We had that in JJ.
3. Problems with his 40-yd time(s) as CnD pointed out earlier. The clips of him I saw, he looked slow.
4. We traded out of our 2nd round pick for him in the 3rd. I just feel you stick to your board. Passing on him in the 2nd gave us an extra 4th. I suppose the extra 4th is the silver lining here.
5. Character issues.
All in all, it was a reach. 4th or 5th round would have been better value. IMO.
And where did Jerry Rice play?
Blake
MMQB
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Please don't tell me you are comparing Jacoby Jones to Jerry Rice.
My point was simply that Jerry Rice did not play in a major program, and I don't think the size or prominence of the program is necessarily a big factor here.
Yes, it most certainly does. Playing for a big university prepares you against higher quality players. Makes you more ready for the pros. It's nice to see them getting away from these small college prospects.
http://www.thelantern.com/sports/devier-posey-shines-at-ohio-state-football-pro-day-1.2816530
DeVier Posey shines at Ohio State football Pro Day
Following his workout, Posey stood in front of a group of reporters, smiling about his performance.
"I feel like I had a good day. I caught everything, so I'll smile about that," Posey said.
Along with 12 of his former teammates, Posey displayed his talents in front of coaches and scouts representing every NFL team except the New York Jets and Chicago Bears.
Worked out by new Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley, Posey did not drop any passes and ran crisp routes.
Posey said it was important for him to have a good showing.
"It's the period at the end of the sentence. It's a two-month period, and you want to cap it all off with a great workout," Posey said. "So, I really feel like right here I just wanted to put that period at the end of the sentence for this two-month period of training, working out. I feel like it went well."
After talking with his agent before OSU's Pro Day, Posey chose not to run the 40-yard dash Saturday.
"All the teams really got me through the range, through the grapevine, between 4.37 and 4.48, so I'll take that time," Posey said. "That's why I felt comfortable here not to run."
DeVier Posey shines at Ohio State football Pro Day
Following his workout, Posey stood in front of a group of reporters, smiling about his performance.
"I feel like I had a good day. I caught everything, so I'll smile about that," Posey said.
Along with 12 of his former teammates, Posey displayed his talents in front of coaches and scouts representing every NFL team except the New York Jets and Chicago Bears.
Worked out by new Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley, Posey did not drop any passes and ran crisp routes.
Posey said it was important for him to have a good showing.
"It's the period at the end of the sentence. It's a two-month period, and you want to cap it all off with a great workout," Posey said. "So, I really feel like right here I just wanted to put that period at the end of the sentence for this two-month period of training, working out. I feel like it went well."
After talking with his agent before OSU's Pro Day, Posey chose not to run the 40-yard dash Saturday.
"All the teams really got me through the range, through the grapevine, between 4.37 and 4.48, so I'll take that time," Posey said. "That's why I felt comfortable here not to run."
I'm not saying it's irrelevant -- just overrated *sometimes*. Again -- Jerry Rice.
After just reading a few quotes I think it is safe to say that this guy is smarter than JJ, ya dig. I would have liked to see us draft a WR with a little more YAC ability (from what little I've seen and read). I think we reached on him and I believe we could have drafted Brandon Thompson in the 3rd and drafted this guy with one of our 4th round picks.
Albert Breer had this to say about him on Twitter FWIW
Albert Breer ‏ @AlbertBreer
For Texans fans asking me about Posey -- One of the most physically gifted Buckeye WRs in last 15 years. Needs to grow up. But can be great.
I like the pick. If he's "their guy" i'm on board.
Albert Breer ‏ @AlbertBreer
For Texans fans asking me about Posey -- One of the most physically gifted Buckeye WRs in last 15 years. Needs to grow up. But can be great.
I like the pick. If he's "their guy" i'm on board.
Small school...
Just like Jacoby Jones.
what's yer point?
And back in the early 80s when Rice played at Mississippi Valley, the SWAC was still loaded with studs. Now guys like Rice get recruited by major colleges and don't have to go to small schools to get to play. They only go there if they can't play.
Totally different circumstances.
but Rice DID set the NCAA record for receptions and yards while playing for a small school. So there was some hint that Rice might have game.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
Really shocked they went this route (trading down, going with Posey), but maybe it works out...
No, maybe not a lot of YAC, but i like that he keeps moving forward, and appears to be a pretty tough sonofagun...
We shall see...
No, maybe not a lot of YAC, but i like that he keeps moving forward, and appears to be a pretty tough sonofagun...
We shall see...
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
Look with all the compliments of Posey talent-wise is much a better upgrade to JJ. With AJ and other veteran players on this team will be able to straighten out his off field antics more less beat the dawg **** outta em when he's wrong...that would teach em...
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
Look with all the compliments of Posey talent-wise is much a better upgrade to JJ. With AJ and other veteran players on this team will be able to straighten out his off field antics more less beat the dawg **** outta em when he's wrong...that would teach em...
I'm not sure what Posey will turn out to be, but his "off field antics" were solved last night when he got a job making good money...
I could give a crap about trying to get free tattoos and taking more money than allowed for a job...that's nothing but a guy trying to make money...
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Not a fan of Wallnut WRs, but hopefully he has a lot more Santonio Holmes in him than he does Ted Ginn
Wasn't a fan of Randle.
Wasn't a fan of Randle.
One thing I noticed, this guy ran a 1.45 10 yard shuttle. That is really fast for a man of his size...Floyd ran a 1.57. I would be lying if I said that I liked this pick but WR are really hard to predict. Got to reserve judgment and see how he does. Hope he tears it up. If he becomes our #2 WR of the future I will be very happy.
Allstar
Bona fide
I'm not sweating this pick one bit. Some are upset about it not being Randle/Sanu/whoever because he was the big name going into the draft. Bigger names/guys all the draftniks like don't necessarily mean they will be better. Recent history has proven that. See: Charles Rogers, Dwayne Jarret, Mike Williams, Limas Sweed, Chad Jackson, etc.
Quick II Draw
Waterboy
This kid has done some stupid $!@#. He may not even be a great guy (as evidenced by the OSU-related who have stated 'my cousin's brother's friend had a bad story about Posey). This kid is from Cincinnati and went to Ohio State. He's a big-time athlete who's probably hung around with the same troublemakers since junior high. But this could be a perfect opportunity to make a clean break halfway across the country.
Fact is, he's a pretty solid football player. If you watch his film you can see he is very clean in and out of his cuts. He's bigger and faster than I thought he was, and he's obviously got a ton of room to build onto his frame if he wants. Also, he seems pretty genuinely excited about being able to play with 'Dre. His first act as a Texan was to tweet AJ saying "excited to learn from you brah !!!" They've already met & broke bread. Hopefully both he and AJ acknowledge and embrace their roles on this team.
Fact is, he's a pretty solid football player. If you watch his film you can see he is very clean in and out of his cuts. He's bigger and faster than I thought he was, and he's obviously got a ton of room to build onto his frame if he wants. Also, he seems pretty genuinely excited about being able to play with 'Dre. His first act as a Texan was to tweet AJ saying "excited to learn from you brah !!!" They've already met & broke bread. Hopefully both he and AJ acknowledge and embrace their roles on this team.
LonerATO
All Pro
I agree with this, it's not like he is a crappy WR, but he made some stupid mistakes that cost him his season and high draftability.
Scooter
Funky
from everything i've read and heard, i worry that GP is correct in saying that he is a combination of walter and jacoby ... in the wrong way. jacoby's head in walter's body. we all want to say "andre will be able to ...", but we forget that our legend hasnt made a dent on jacoby or anyone else. jacoby is actually the most developed receiver we've ever drafted, think about that. andre's not going to create a receiver ... horse to water (or miniature pony to a trough).
from what i see on the field, he's a 4.5-4.6 with no on field "running away" from average CB's, so this 4.37 is a bleacher stopwatch (obviously). this is consistent with the inconsistent reports. "high points the ball - fails to high point the ball" ... "zero burst - great burst" ... these things reek of propping a player up. i see his numbers speaking to who he is. a pretty good couple of years and then disappears when he gets distracted or changes his priorities ... i smell a mediocre diva.
i hope i'm wrong because he could transform our offense with his potential.
edit: not sober when writing this lol.
from what i see on the field, he's a 4.5-4.6 with no on field "running away" from average CB's, so this 4.37 is a bleacher stopwatch (obviously). this is consistent with the inconsistent reports. "high points the ball - fails to high point the ball" ... "zero burst - great burst" ... these things reek of propping a player up. i see his numbers speaking to who he is. a pretty good couple of years and then disappears when he gets distracted or changes his priorities ... i smell a mediocre diva.
i hope i'm wrong because he could transform our offense with his potential.
edit: not sober when writing this lol.
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kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
He had two seasons in which he started every game putting up good numbers in a run first offense catching passes from Terrell Pryor, then he got caught doing something I would guess a whole lot of "student athletes" do. Read his interviews, he comes across less diva-esque than Martin does.
Scooter
Funky
exactly as i said, a couple of good seasons and then he got distracted. do you justify reggie bush or the OSU players we didnt draft or others with similar black marks? if you fail to resist temptation (and as reported are at best a "4 letter word" to your peers) in school, and cant behave for 12 months to get 10+ million dollars simply by being drafted ... what does that say about his priorities? a diva has his interests ahead of his team's ... what were posey's stats as a senior? now tell me those numbers again while "i'd do it again" plays in the background.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Top of my head 3 games 2 TDs, certainly didn't get rusty with that time off.
I think had he played his Sr year in its entirety he would have been the 3rd WR off the board behind Blackmon and Floyd.
Heard a podcast a while ago discussing Posey with a reporter who covers Ohio St. saying that the second suspension should have been overturned as his lawyer proved the violations to be false. The NCAA held firm on the suspension .... We as Texans fans should thank them.
I dont have a link to that podcast - think it was on CBSsports.com if someone wants to search for it.
As for the original suspension .... selling his own property?! .....
Grams
Veteran
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/10/ohio_state_buckeyes_devier_pos.html
Here is info on 2nd 5 game suspension.
Here is info on 2nd 5 game suspension.
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Something Witty !
I think had he played his Sr year in its entirety he would have been the 3rd WR off the board behind Blackmon and Floyd.
Heard a podcast a while ago discussing Posey with a reporter who covers Ohio St. saying that the second suspension should have been overturned as his lawyer proved the violations to be false. The NCAA held firm on the suspension .... We as Texans fans should thank them.
I dont have a link to that podcast - think it was on CBSsports.com if someone wants to search for it.
As for the original suspension .... selling his own property?! .....
When the Texans drafted JJ folks on this board had a hissy because they didn't take some guy from WSU who ran a good 40 . There was several other guys who I bet aren't in the league anymore that we were calling for . The Texans look for guys who are good route runners and not sprinters .
http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-combine-ratings/2012/
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
So, because he sold his own merchandise and got a discount on tattoos, he is a trouble maker? What else horrible has he done that you know of? Was it working out and helping the team while he was on his suspension? Was it working out with Cris Carter? Was it giving the money to his mom? The guy put up pretty good numbers in a running offense. The games he played his senior year, he played well. I'm getting a Victor Cruz vibe from him in the Texans offense.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Those are his charges really 
Come on now people, those are some of the most retarded charges i have ever heard of, and to think Ray Lewis was an accused murder at one time :kubepalm: and some of you are sweating this crap ??? Get over it people you all act as if you have never done anything worse. I do worse things on a daily basis !!!!
Come on now people, those are some of the most retarded charges i have ever heard of, and to think Ray Lewis was an accused murder at one time :kubepalm: and some of you are sweating this crap ??? Get over it people you all act as if you have never done anything worse. I do worse things on a daily basis !!!!
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Not that he's worth a sh!t, but Kiper on Posey:
He's not a great value at No. 68 overall, but I'm intrigued by the DeVier Posey pick. He had to sit out so many games last year I don't think scouts saw enough of him. He has really good hands, can create some matchup problems, and might be a little underrated in his ability to stretch the field.
He's not a great value at No. 68 overall, but I'm intrigued by the DeVier Posey pick. He had to sit out so many games last year I don't think scouts saw enough of him. He has really good hands, can create some matchup problems, and might be a little underrated in his ability to stretch the field.
Let's think about that.
Jacoby has not had any off-field incidents last year, not that I know of & that's the knucklehead stuff that Andre's influence is supposed to help.
He makes some interesting decisions when it comes to returning punts. But hopefully we've got someone who can actually get on the field & take that duty from him.
Jacoby isn't a #2 reciever, Andre did his best, but it just isn't meant to be. However, he is a better receiver, much better receiver than he was when he got here.
Posey has already garnered the reputation of a hardworker, a team player, & a family man. All that other stuff will work itself out.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
If people on here are still complaining about this pick because of the suspensions, well, we'll agree to disagree (with you being wrong).
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
If this kid had played the whole season, his numbers project to 52 catches, 702 yards, and 8-9 TDs. That's in-line with his production in previous years. And that's on an offense that was DEAD LAST in the Big-10 in passing yardage. They ended up with only 1489 passing yards all season.
When I looked at the video, I thought he looked kinda slow until I realized that he was moving past the DBs. I think he's one of those guys with deceptive speed.
This pick isn't the normal Houston Texan 4-year starter, Big Conference Captain. But I think this guy could turn into a very good player for us.
And I don't care about those suspensions. I mean, really? Guys get suspensions for drug use and DUI and doing stupid stuff. This guy gets a suspension for selling stuff for more than it was worth and for getting paid a union wage to work. Really?
I think we got a steal. But with WRs, it's a tough call. WRs bust almost as much as NTs do.
When I looked at the video, I thought he looked kinda slow until I realized that he was moving past the DBs. I think he's one of those guys with deceptive speed.
This pick isn't the normal Houston Texan 4-year starter, Big Conference Captain. But I think this guy could turn into a very good player for us.
And I don't care about those suspensions. I mean, really? Guys get suspensions for drug use and DUI and doing stupid stuff. This guy gets a suspension for selling stuff for more than it was worth and for getting paid a union wage to work. Really?
I think we got a steal. But with WRs, it's a tough call. WRs bust almost as much as NTs do.
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Something Witty !
GP
Go Texans!
Finally. Someone who isn't going to rah-rah this pick "just because."
I have zero expectation of the guy. Until he's a weekly CONSISTENT part of the offense, to me he's a late round WR whom Smith gambled on about three rounds too early.
The rest of our draft was so solid, so reasonable in its nature (picks fitting instead of feeling forced) that I don't care that much about Posey. Does fine, then I'm wrong. Does poorly, then I'm right BUT we also got a 4th rounder out of the deal. That's my happy place.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I'm curious how does still attending every practice when you know there is no chance of playing and at the same time finishing off your degree equate into having a "Jacoby" like head?
To me it shows character, committment to team and a desire to always be improving.
This is the typical 'he didn't go to us or anyone near us in any of the major mock drafts' disappointment. People need to get over it. Saying he's a combination of Jacoby and Walter without seeing him play a down for the Texans is just absurd. And don't get me started on 'third round value'. It's not like we whiffed on a top ten first round pick.
None of the guys people wanted instead are sure things either. If anything we got two guys (Posey and Crick) that probably would have gone much higher if it wasn't for bad senior seasons (one for a non-drug/violence related suspension and the other for injury). I think that's something to be excited about until on the field performance proves otherwise.
None of the guys people wanted instead are sure things either. If anything we got two guys (Posey and Crick) that probably would have gone much higher if it wasn't for bad senior seasons (one for a non-drug/violence related suspension and the other for injury). I think that's something to be excited about until on the field performance proves otherwise.
Other than the first two-four receivers off the board, the rest were a crapshoot in their order.
None of the "talking heads" expected Posey to go this high, and I'd wager the majority of NFL teams had significant variability in his ranking as well.
After the "can't miss" guys, success and predictability begins to depend on some very specific player-team combinations.
None of the "talking heads" expected Posey to go this high, and I'd wager the majority of NFL teams had significant variability in his ranking as well.
After the "can't miss" guys, success and predictability begins to depend on some very specific player-team combinations.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
He has Victor Cruz written all over him.