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3rd Round DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
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GP
Go Texans!
Or, we looked at the teams between us and our new draft position and calculated that those teams wouldn't take him before our now early 3rd rounder. In essence: We got caught trying to get him in the 3rd AND adding an extra 4th at the same time.
I think this was Smith trying to add more picks, since we do indeed have more needs this year due to off-season losses, and the gamble didn't work out.
By the way, the Browns flat out told McCoy they wouldn't take a QB in the draft. They lied to him in order to smoke screen their true intentions. The Texans also lied to David Carr, flat out lied to him, and said "We're taking Reggie Bush" when the whole plan was to get Mario on the cheap.
No difference here, IMO, where you think the Texans never had him on the radar...when it's possible they didn't show too much interest in him for the explicit purpose of trying to trade down and get more picks while still being able to draft him.
Rick said he was looking for GMs who would play ball on draft day trades. He found one, and he thought he could have his cake and eat it too. I think Posey was the only guy left for them out of the type of WR targeted for 3rd/4th round. The other WRs they like are probably later guys.
Considering all the effort they put into investigating his past .... it would lead you to believe they were targeting him.
I think Posey is the superior player today .... tho Randall may have a higher upside and that is why many dont like the pick. They fail to realize that this team is in a "win now mode" and cant afford to wait around for a project to develop .... just look at J.Jones and his lack of development.
Allstar
Bona fide
I don't think we trade out of the second if there is only one guy we have our eyes on. Chances are we have multiple guys that all grade about the same and traded back, fairly certain one of them would drop to us. To think that we traded back hoping and praying that Randle and Randle alone would still be there would be a little too naive. Sure, we might have liked him, but we felt good enough about Posey and maybe others to move back a few spots and pick up another 4th.
80tothezone
Veteran
I was about to say he looks like he might be a little better version of jacoby.
sent from way too close to Dallas....
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That's what I posted previously (4.40 to 4.59 depending on the source; 4.50 at the combine). I don't know where 4.37 came from
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1945312&postcount=73
Dont like this pick.
Hopefully one of Matthews/Jones/Childs/Streeter will be a 4th rd pick.
Hopefully one of Matthews/Jones/Childs/Streeter will be a 4th rd pick.
aussie_texan
Veteran
Spot ON!
I've watched Posey some in 2010; I don't remember the details, but I know the impressions were favorable. I just look around for a bunch of stories and highlights and stuffs and I think I like what I found so far.
I have the 3 games he played in this year and at least 7 games in 2010 and some in 09 I'll go back and watch when I have some time.
I saw him running by people on several plays; I saw him catch the ball in traffic taking multiple hits afterward. And he's a good passer, too. We might see a trick play down the road in the play-offs, I hope.
He throw a nice tight spiral on the move, setting his feet very fluidly, he looks better than some QBs drafted recently.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
i like his size, makes some good catches and locates the ball very well. Goes down on initial contact. Hopefully AJ can teach this kid a thing or two and he can become a good NFL WR.
TdotTexas2Step
Rookie
Article on the official Houston Texans website has him clocked in at 4.37
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...rd-round/cbf8f418-179f-4d85-a594-9017e60e3c0f
And also listed at 4.37 according to @Buckeye_Nation
http://twitter.com/#!/Buckeye_Nation/statuses/173852838680735746
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
He does locate the ball well, seems to run good routes but too many times he looks like he has to grab the ball a second time.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
The thing that I don't get is where we selected him. I really think we could have grabbed him in the 4th round and gotten a guy Mike Martin, DeMario Davis, Brandon Thompson, or even BRYAN ANGER
This is the same reasoning that had a lot of people mad we traded down and got Duane Brown, and then Ben Tate two years later. I will say that he runs very pretty routes and the more I watch what I can of him, the more I see things I like.
TejasTom
All Pro
This is just a retarded pick. Who in their right mind would pass up Marvin Jones, Greg Childs, and Mohamed Sanu in favor of DeVier Posey. Bobby Massie, Brandon Mosley, and Brandon Thompson were also available. Why would you take a guy with low morals and almost no productivity due to suspension in the high 3rd round when you could have got him in the 6th? WTF?
Allstar
Bona fide
You may be right, but we don't have access to other team's big boards, and we've yet to see any of those players play a down in the NFL. Time will reveal all.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
He played a lot in his Sop. and Jnr. years and was productive. Played well when he did play this year.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
From the buckeyes sight.....
Ohio State Overview: DeVier did not have the benefit of a redshirt season, and he has been an outstanding player for the Buckeyes in his four seasons. He closed out his career with 136 career receptions for 1,955 yards, numbers that rank sixth and eighth, respectively, all-time among Ohio State receivers. He also scored 18 receiving touchdowns to rank seventh on the all-time list. He is a four-year Varsity O letterwinner (2008-11) who played in 41 games, started 29 games and had a reception in each of his final 30 games played. He had six 100-yard receiving games, the eighth-most in school history. DeVier is on track to graduate in spring 2012 with his degree in communications.
Ohio State Overview: DeVier did not have the benefit of a redshirt season, and he has been an outstanding player for the Buckeyes in his four seasons. He closed out his career with 136 career receptions for 1,955 yards, numbers that rank sixth and eighth, respectively, all-time among Ohio State receivers. He also scored 18 receiving touchdowns to rank seventh on the all-time list. He is a four-year Varsity O letterwinner (2008-11) who played in 41 games, started 29 games and had a reception in each of his final 30 games played. He had six 100-yard receiving games, the eighth-most in school history. DeVier is on track to graduate in spring 2012 with his degree in communications.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Gut reaction... Looks like Gary and Rick are reverting back to trying toprove they are the smartest men in the draft again.
Mixed feelings on the reviews of the guy, I am hoping he's closer to what Corrosion is saying and less like my gut, which is having its spidey sense tingling.
Mixed feelings on the reviews of the guy, I am hoping he's closer to what Corrosion is saying and less like my gut, which is having its spidey sense tingling.
Anthony713
Practice Squad
Well if A.J. is good with it, that's all I need to hear...
y'all who don't like it, take it up with Andre.
on his feelings about learning from Andre Johnson) "Oh, man, I'm really excited to learn from him and just to get down there with T.J. Yates and just pick their brains and everything."
Quote from Devier Posey
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
The Texans have drafted a WR once in the first round in their history. In the interim, I am still waiting for the next Rod Smith to walk through the door.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/career-receiving.htm
The worst thing is that the Texans are making an exception for Posey, based on off the field extra curriculars. Why this guy? Why for a WR would we skirt the off the field issues?
I really do not like Rick Smith as a GM, this pick absolutely reeks.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/career-receiving.htm
The worst thing is that the Texans are making an exception for Posey, based on off the field extra curriculars. Why this guy? Why for a WR would we skirt the off the field issues?
I really do not like Rick Smith as a GM, this pick absolutely reeks.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
I'm actually surprised he knows TJ's name
K
kingh99
Guest
Posey
High ceiling
Good value
High risk
Exactly what some pundits said the Texans would do operating from a position of team strength and extra picks. They thought this year's Texans could afford to reach/take a home run swing or two.
I like the guys comment above who said opposite of JJ. JJ's a sweet kid, or as Mike Holovak would say, he's a nice boy. It would perfect symmetry to see him traded for Colt McCoy, another nice boy. I really like Colt and think he would do well under Kubiak. Colt's a player whose been screwed by circumstance whereas JJ's a player whose screwed up his circumstance. My opinion and for what that's worth.
High ceiling
Good value
High risk
Exactly what some pundits said the Texans would do operating from a position of team strength and extra picks. They thought this year's Texans could afford to reach/take a home run swing or two.
I like the guys comment above who said opposite of JJ. JJ's a sweet kid, or as Mike Holovak would say, he's a nice boy. It would perfect symmetry to see him traded for Colt McCoy, another nice boy. I really like Colt and think he would do well under Kubiak. Colt's a player whose been screwed by circumstance whereas JJ's a player whose screwed up his circumstance. My opinion and for what that's worth.
Grams
Veteran
For the guys complaining about his character - it was stated that he sold HIS memoribilia and got paid too much for a summer job. He has stated he did this to help his family. And because it helped his family, he would do it again. Who amoung you would not have done that to help your family?
However, while serving his suspension, he still worked out and kept in shape, helped others receivers on his team. That speaks volumns about his character. Especially where you see that Randle shut it down in games.
This guy can catch, can run routes, has no fear of going over the middle and taking a hit. He is no JJ.
Not a red-shirted freshman and will still graduate this spring.
I like this pick for what it's worth.
However, while serving his suspension, he still worked out and kept in shape, helped others receivers on his team. That speaks volumns about his character. Especially where you see that Randle shut it down in games.
This guy can catch, can run routes, has no fear of going over the middle and taking a hit. He is no JJ.
Not a red-shirted freshman and will still graduate this spring.
I like this pick for what it's worth.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Gaffney is pretty good these days.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He may have great attributes and turn out to be a great player, but the 40 time reported on HT.com seems to be a little disingenuous.
The 40 times usually looked at are the "official" times. Otherwise, a pick and choose approach is too easy to have an apples and oranges comparison with other player timings. How many other "unofficial" times floating around out there could other players then pull out to mess with the process that allows the ability to compare players?
Most all sources have reported his official 40 Combine time at 4.50. A 4.37 looks to be somehwhat "out there."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=84034&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=DeVier&l=Posey&i=9792
That said, he is a Texan now and I'd like to see JJ disappear. So if someone comes up with a 4.10 for Posey, I can turn my blind eye and get totally on board.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I don't understand the amount of stock that gets put into the combine and other workouts. You want to give a player 2 months to train for specific tests that don't involve a football, and train their bodies to be different from their playing body, and then you allow yourself to be swayed by that.
I'd do all my scouting off tape if I was involved in the process, I really don't understand when people claim 'player X's stock has risen since the bowl game', what you are saying is, 'player X looks better since he stopped playing football'. Madness.
I hope DeVier works out, we definitely need him to, I also hope we get a contributor in R4 at the position who can become a starter down the line.
I'd do all my scouting off tape if I was involved in the process, I really don't understand when people claim 'player X's stock has risen since the bowl game', what you are saying is, 'player X looks better since he stopped playing football'. Madness.
I hope DeVier works out, we definitely need him to, I also hope we get a contributor in R4 at the position who can become a starter down the line.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
From what I understand, NFL teams all time the 40 themselves (both at the combine and at pro days), and go with their time as opposed to the "official" time.
Posey's comments regarding why he didn't run the 40 at his pro day:
LINK
Why are we comparing him to JJ? A nutless monkey could be better than JJ. Posey needs to be compared to players drafted after him.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Nutless monkeys take offense to that...
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I don't mind being confused on draft day. There have certainly been several players I thought were going to be usefull NFL players who were anything but.
AS to being disappointed...why? Why be disappionted in a guy before he has even been assigned a locker and a number. At the very least wait till after this season to be disappointed, I'll wait two season before becoming diappionted an any of the players taken in this draft.
TimeKiller
Guest
My concern isn't for the player specifically...more that I think most internet draftniks thought him a 5/6th round prospect. Trading back while Sanu AND Randle are there in the 2nd...and then not getting either of them, instead reaching for a guy with some big question marks...
Didn't particularly care for that bit. Still good players on the board though and the Texans are locked and loaded for an mid round bonanza. Let's do it!
Didn't particularly care for that bit. Still good players on the board though and the Texans are locked and loaded for an mid round bonanza. Let's do it!
drs23
Veteran
There's that logic thing again.
You've been around here long enough to know it's all about FO incompetence and pissin' and moanin' because obviously there are many here that know more about every player coming out. After all, we have stacks of drug store magazines, a top-flite MB and the whole f'kn internet to come to the conclusions as to who the Texans should draft. All they hafta do is log on!
But do you think they'd do that? Hell no! They're going to rely on their scouts & coaches that have been doing this stuff for their entire professional lives, private investigators going all over the country interviewing countless witnesses, coaches, teachers and whomever else they deem necessary to draw their silly conclusions.
After all, they ARE THE SMARTEST MEN IN THE ROOM.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Who cares what internet draftniks think? Do they not make mistakes? I can easily remember several players who carried 2nd grades by the likes of Mayock and Kiper who didn't get picked till the sixth or seventh and than never did anything in the NFL outside of cleaning out a locker. As for Sanu and Randle, multiple teams with needs at WR passed both in the second/third. Some teams passed them more than once. Yuu have to wonder why?
I think people undervalue the amount of information that we, the general public, that is not made available to us. I would hazard a guess that alot of the guys who go into draft free-fall had really poor interviews at the combine.
Number19
Hall of Fame
You're correct on the value of having one "official" time for comparison. But sometimes the official time, for one reason or another, is just not the best measure to go by. Kendall Wright has an "official" time slower than Posey's, at 4.51.He may have great attributes and turn out to be a great player, but the 40 time reported on HT.com seems to be a little disingenuous.
The 40 times usually looked at are the "official" times. Otherwise, a pick and choose approach is too easy to have an apples and oranges comparison with other player timings. How many other "unofficial" times floating around out there could other players then pull out to mess with the process that allows the ability to compare players?
Most all sources have reported his official 40 Combine time at 4.50. A 4.37 looks to be somehwhat "out there."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=84034&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=DeVier&l=Posey&i=9792
That said, he is a Texan now and I'd like to see JJ disappear. So if someone comes up with a 4.10 for Posey, I can turn my blind eye and get totally on board.
There's that logic thing again.
You've been around here long enough to know it's all about FO incompetence and pissin' and moanin' because obviously there are many here that know more about every player coming out. After all, we have stacks of drug store magazines, a top-flite MB and the whole f'kn internet to come to the conclusions as to who the Texans should draft. All they hafta do is log on!
But do you think they'd do that? Hell no! They're going to rely on their scouts & coaches that have been doing this stuff for their entire professional lives, private investigators going all over the country interviewing countless witnesses, coaches, teachers and whomever else they deem necessary to draw their silly conclusions.
After all, they ARE THE SMARTEST MEN IN THE ROOM.
Careful now! You might get somebody's panties twisted if you even imply that the armchair GMs on this board don't know as much as the FO does.
Good post!
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Wolf
100% Texan
I don't know much about Randle, one of the first weaknesses that I read, stuck out to me (had to look up why teams might be passing on him)
I know, I know it is just one persons draft opinion.. but my first thought was..nope, that is not what Kubiak wants as a weakness
http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/02/wr-reuben-randle-scouting-report/
I know, I know it is just one persons draft opinion.. but my first thought was..nope, that is not what Kubiak wants as a weakness
He may have great attributes and turn out to be a great player, but the 40 time reported on HT.com seems to be a little disingenuous.
The 40 times usually looked at are the "official" times. Otherwise, a pick and choose approach is too easy to have an apples and oranges comparison with other player timings. How many other "unofficial" times floating around out there could other players then pull out to mess with the process that allows the ability to compare players?
Most all sources have reported his official 40 Combine time at 4.50. A 4.37 looks to be somehwhat "out there."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=84034&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=DeVier&l=Posey&i=9792
That said, he is a Texan now and I'd like to see JJ disappear. So if someone comes up with a 4.10 for Posey, I can turn my blind eye and get totally on board.
Doc, NFLDraftscout, one of the sites you listed, has this to say about him:
WR Devier Posey, Ohio St. -
Posey should effectively end the musical chairs with KW and JJ, and he combines the strengths of those two players - Walter's size and Jones' big play ability as a downfield receiver - in one package.
ESPN, another site that you listed, has Claiborne also running 4.50 while Kirkpatrick ran 4.51
Thes two guys were drafted in the first round.
The third site has a footnote in its home page:
Not timed/scored officially at the combine
GP
Go Texans!
Rick should stay away from CBs and WRs.
I find it odd that Rick was a CB who played against WRs and he can't pick either of those very well.
Wolf
100% Texan
I am curious (because I absolutely don't know) but would some have been happy if he came out last year and we drafted him in the 2nd.. (based on his stats so far)
My impression is most are pissed based on last years stats and the whole suspension thing
really just an honest question
My impression is most are pissed based on last years stats and the whole suspension thing
really just an honest question
redwhiteblue
Waterboy
I feel that the idea of Rick Smith trying to outsmart the draft and trying to pick up extra picks and missing out on randle is overblown. Listen to the interview with Dennison. The texans liked posey at the shrine game and kubiak checked on posey with his people, smith checked with his people, and dennison checked with his people. That sounds to me like they targeted posey, and the pick was not a panic pick because they lost on another wide receiver.